[HN Gopher] Facebook Beat a 2018 Wiretap Case. The ACLU Wants to...
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Facebook Beat a 2018 Wiretap Case. The ACLU Wants to Know Why
Author : pseudolus
Score : 90 points
Date : 2020-04-28 21:28 UTC (1 hours ago)
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| WaitWaitWha wrote:
| Conjectures: The method required to MitM the MS-13 gang Messenger
| would require writing a special set of code (a la Apple iPhone
| incident), which fails the burden test. Some legal justification
| why Facebook is not a carrier, in case of voice com.
| dec0dedab0de wrote:
| My conspiracy theory hat comes out every time a large US company
| seems to stand up against the government for the privacy of their
| users and wins. I always assume the company secretly gave the
| government what they asked for, and the government agreed to play
| along for marketing purposes.
|
| I suppose that the boring truth is that Facebook just used it's
| vast financial resources to protect itself in a way that lavabit
| never could
| seph-reed wrote:
| The former seems so much more likely to me. Probably because my
| German teacher had us watch ["The Lives of
| Others"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lives_of_Others) and
| at this point it would be absolutely insane to imagine that the
| obsession with power that exists in the government would fail
| to find a way to read data that's literally stored on someone
| else's computer where you could never tell if it's been read.
| Seems like a no brainer, but without proof most people would
| rather just call it a grey area. Which is a fine enough
| narrative. Doesn't change much either way.
| duncan_bayne wrote:
| Except that we have proof, at least as far as the US
| Government is concerned. Snowden provided us with proof _in
| abundance_ that they will "find a way". How anyone can
| consider this a gray area in 2020 is beyond me.
| ggggtez wrote:
| This comment thread really is nonsense. So Facebook and the
| government are secretly working together in a conspiracy to
| falsify court records while secretly they cooporate the
| whole time and the case was never actually tried? What
| planet are you on?
|
| And the proof is Snowden, because... ???
|
| Or are you all just agreeing you have your own conspiracy
| theories, and aren't directly commenting on what each other
| are saying?
| gowld wrote:
| Why would that be so?
|
| Why wouldn't they just skip the annoying charade and the anti
| government precedent, and just give over the info secretly in
| the first place, least work for everyone?
|
| And don't you think at some point one of the retired engineers
| or execs would leak the truth?
| xxpor wrote:
| Why can't these news articles link to the briefs or provide a
| case number or anything? They didn't even say what freakin' court
| they were in directly! I know it's the 9th circuit based on the
| description, but where was the original case heard? Arg!
|
| Edit: Fortunatly the 9th circuit is actually pretty good with
| youtube, which made this easy to find:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6SeGJQjqyA
|
| 19-15472 ACLU Foundation v. USDOJ
| warent wrote:
| I don't understand how it's possible that the _public_ government
| can make precedent-setting judgements like this and classify the
| rationale from the public. Like, I'm not asking for Facebook's
| trade secrets or classified info. Redact that, and then share the
| entire case that we funded with our tax dollars.
| som33 wrote:
| Because you live in a lawless oligarchy that has been rubber
| stamping the rich's laws for 2 straight centuries. See the
| endless extension of copyright.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_Term_Extension_Act#/...
| topkai22 wrote:
| Interesting choice since the extension of copyright ended in
| 2019 and works have started entering the public domain again.
| thatguy0900 wrote:
| I'll believe that if mickey mouse becomes public domain.
| Currently slated for 2024, apparently.
| thendrill wrote:
| Except for Disney IP.
|
| Such an irony since Disney made alle its initial money by
| animating public domain works.
|
| Fuck that mouse
| asdff wrote:
| Is there a government in existence now or at any time in the
| past that didn't solely exist to rubberstamp the rich's laws?
| The peasants republic of Dithmarschen?
| frostwhale wrote:
| I mean, yeah. There have been a lot of revolutions in world
| history. They did not exist _solely_ to rubber stamp the
| laws of the rich.
| WaitWaitWha wrote:
| We do not know who asked for this to be sealed yet. It is
| possible FB asked because it had to make presentations that
| included IP.
| bluejekyll wrote:
| > I'm not asking for Facebook's trade secrets or classified
| info. Redact that...
| lobbyingWins wrote:
| I hope in time people who think the government can be used for
| Good will see how it's merely a tool for the rich.
|
| Although maybe you need a government to take 30% of everyone's
| income to fund a military or someone else will.
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