[HN Gopher] NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress ...
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NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7
reopening criteria
Author : KoftaBob
Score : 155 points
Date : 2020-05-11 20:02 UTC (2 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (forward.ny.gov)
(TXT) w3m dump (forward.ny.gov)
| cproctor wrote:
| If, as many projections suggest, we may be in for a medium-term
| future of local closures as outbreaks flare up, an interface like
| this will be important for helping people understand and comply.
| kelnos wrote:
| A little concerned about:
|
| > _Region must show a sustained decline in the three-day rolling
| average of daily hospital deaths over the course of a 14-day
| period._
|
| This excludes people dying in their homes, no? Is that a
| significant enough number of people to warrant concern? I get
| that it's harder to track cause of death when it doesn't occur in
| a hospital, but that would seem to be a necessary thing to do.
| ceejayoz wrote:
| The two should move in at least a somewhat correlated manner,
| and one's a lot easier to measure accurately.
| LyalinDotCom wrote:
| My parents still can't get NYS unemployment benefits processed
| since they started applying in March due to all the website and
| process problems. Sure wish they'd focus there.
| ep103 wrote:
| This is awesome, well done to the NYS leadership
| shmatt wrote:
| i think what many people don't understand are how many other
| layers will block re-opening once the gov. gives a green light.
|
| plenty of businesses are closed in states where the Governor has
| given a green light to re-open.
|
| It can be plain common sense by the business owner, city laws,
| office buildings enforcing impossible rules such as 1 person per
| elevator, liability from lawsuits and the insurance fees that
| come from that, office layout that needs a complete rebuild,
| workers scared for themselves or people they live with, and many
| more
| josephorjoe wrote:
| What percentage of people don't understand that (serious
| question)?
|
| I'm in nyc so my perspective is likely a little skewed, but I
| can't see anyone who can avoid doing so rushing back into
| restaurants, subways, or really any avoidable indoor or crowded
| activity. :(
|
| But, yeah, I see the protesters desperately wanting to reopen
| everything in the midwest, so I guess a lot of people must
| think the problem is politics not biology and physics?
| shoo wrote:
| > i think what many people don't understand are how many other
| layers will block re-opening once the gov
|
| Separately from regulation, there's also the question of how
| comfortable people are at returning to their old virus-care-
| free routines. One anecdote reported from a visit to Wuhan is
| that after restrictions were lifted and people were permitted
| to more freely move around outside, there weren't many people
| who were interested in going back to eat at restaurants -- to
| the extent that a restaurant owner who was planning to reopen a
| number of restaurants ended up leaving them closed.
|
| https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/chinas-uneven-reopenin...
| sharkweek wrote:
| >Office layout that needs a complete rebuild
|
| My partner works for [LARGE BUSINESS]. She works on their real
| estate team, and until two months ago was working on a massive
| densification project to get more desks in existing square
| footage to accommodate a hiring boom.
|
| Now? Shit, the C-level has asked her team to entirely scrap
| that and instead do the exact opposite, rethinking their entire
| company's footprint to encourage distancing and limiting daily
| office occupancy.
|
| Her head is spinning a bit but it has been fascinating to watch
| from the outside.
| shmatt wrote:
| i think what many people don't understand are how many other
| layers will block re-opening once the gov. gives a green light.
|
| plenty of businesses are closed in states where the Governor has
| given a green light to re-open.
|
| It can be plain common sense by the business owner, food handling
| rules, city laws, office buildings enforcing impossible rules
| such as 1 person per elevator, liability from lawsuits and the
| insurance fees that come from that, office layout that needs a
| complete rebuild, workers scared for themselves or people they
| live with, and many more
| codemati wrote:
| Very informative and transparent. This should be the standard
| everywhere.
|
| I'm a bit surprised (and disappointed) something similar does not
| exist for the Bay Area.
| [deleted]
| ruffrey wrote:
| Insider knowledge here, but...the tools are rapidly being
| developed in California.
| CydeWeys wrote:
| It would be great if the states had some kind of united way
| to collaborate on these efforts rather than individually
| inventing the wheel 50 times.
| erichocean wrote:
| They can of course collaborate, it's not like there are
| federal regulations preventing that from happening.
| ceejayoz wrote:
| I think the snarky point was that the Feds (in theory)
| exist to provide that sort of coordination.
| munk-a wrote:
| That said - it's still a bit amusing that at this point
| there might need to be some sort of second federal
| government to make up for the fact that the first one
| keeps fumbling everything.
|
| If only we had a deep state - then maybe we'd get the
| things that need doing done.
| mikem170 wrote:
| On the flip side the feds might pick a sub-optimal
| solution, as opposed to 50 separate independent actors who
| can try different things and converge on a best answer.
| mquander wrote:
| It exists for Santa Clara:
|
| https://www.sccgov.org/sites/covid19/Pages/bay-area-health-o...
| mbpqd wrote:
| SFchronicle seems to be doing a good job with infographic:
| https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Checklist-for-Ba...
| dmode wrote:
| Love this. SF seems to be progressing rapidly towards the
| goal
|
| Edit: Does anyone know why PPE supply is the one metric with
| little progress ? Seems to be the easiest thing to meet
| klenwell wrote:
| Neither site is clear where the testing capacity goal comes
| from. For NY, it is 30 per 1k (3%). For Bay Area, it is 200
| per 100k (.2%). If my math is right, that's a significant
| discrepancy.
|
| Actually, I see NY's goal is monthly. So I guess that is more
| like 30 per 1k per 30 days (.1%).
|
| There some discussion of necessary testing rates in this NY
| magazine article:
|
| https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/white-house-plan-
| for...
|
| It looks like .2% is at the low end of most ready-to-reopen
| requirements. In any event, it looks we're nowhere near a
| test for anyone who wants one.
|
| Also, does anyone know of a good chart that graphs daily new
| cases vs new tests? It seems like that ratio would be
| significant, especially when comparing case rates between
| regions.
| makomk wrote:
| As far as I know, it's still the case that no reasonably-
| large country is doing much more coronavirus testing than
| the US right now. The UK is probably just about over the 30
| tests per 1k per 30 days mark averaged over a week as of
| our last testing increase, Germany might still be slightly
| below it but I haven't seen recent figures from them and
| they seemed to have stalled out increasing testing, and
| other countries are similar.
| romwell wrote:
| >I'm a bit surprised (and disappointed) something similar does
| not exist for the Bay Area.
|
| Keep in mind that the total number of COVID deaths in CA is
| less than than the number of deaths in NY on a _single bad
| week_.
|
| While a dashboard like this would be good, I think that an
| _order of magnitude_ difference warrants perhaps being less
| disappointed.
| mcnamaratw wrote:
| Not disagreeing, but don't forget how fast this thing can
| grow. It was doubling ... every 2 or 3 days? Smaller infected
| population buys you weeks of time, but that's all.
| thephyber wrote:
| Edit: This post is wrong. I didn't bother to read the article
| and was off base on most of the facts. Leaving this post only
| so I can remember my shame.
|
| NYC is a single city and county with 350k government employees
| and they've had a coordinated data effort for nearly a decade.
|
| "Bay Area" is like 8 counties and dozens of cities, each which
| have their own tech stacks and legal teams, pulling their
| efforts in different directions.
|
| I'm disappointed that the state of California hasn't come up
| with a few APIs which could easily reduce the redundant efforts
| of tens of thousands of localities. I've been prototyping some
| ideas to show the state what modern government _could_ be like
| if there was a coordinated effort.
| kevin_thibedeau wrote:
| NYC has five counties and still has some vestiges of county
| governance like sheriffs.
| papito wrote:
| I don't think NYC does. Nassau County, yes - but that's
| outside of city limits.
| simmonmt wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_Sheriff%27s_O
| ffi...
| KoftaBob wrote:
| NYC is a city made up of 5 counties, whereas Los Angeles
| County is a county made up of several cities.
|
| Every state does things differently, so I can see the
| confusion.
| vonmoltke wrote:
| Every borough is a county.
| vmception wrote:
| Nah, this is about state level data nice explanation though
| mcnamaratw wrote:
| This comment and the great edit are a positive combo. They
| help remind people in California that they don't have
| uniquely high population density.
|
| Without reminders, that assumption tends to go unchecked.
| Silly (but real) example: I have heard someone say that SJ
| has higher population per sq mi than Manhattan.
| tathougies wrote:
| NYC is actually within five counties: New York County, Kings
| County, Bronx County, Queens County, and Richmond County.
| joejohnson wrote:
| This dashboard covers all of NY state
| CydeWeys wrote:
| The linked webpage covers 62 counties, way more than the Bay
| Area.
| gregwebs wrote:
| San Mateo now has a nice dashboard with daily cases and cases
| per city: https://www.smchealth.org/post/san-mateo-county-
| covid-19-dat...
| MiguelVieira wrote:
| California desperately needs something like this.
| [deleted]
| 7leafer wrote:
| What will the clowns do when this circus is over?
| [deleted]
| 3fe9a03ccd14ca5 wrote:
| While interesting, let's not be deceived by this dashboard or
| these goals. It gives the impression that NY is on the cusp of
| opening up. The reality is that any of these metrics can have
| strong downward trajectory at any time. And some (such as contact
| tracing) might not even be feasible in some of the boroughs.
|
| Everybody seemed on board when it was "14 days to flatten the
| curve". Now it's indefinite. I can already see cracks appearing,
| with many more people outside and meeting together. We weren't
| meant to live like this, and there's going to be a lot of
| negative externalities (domestic abuse, child abuse, suicide,
| drug abuse relapse, etc[1]). Remember, it's only been barely a
| month.
|
| I predict soon these states are going to either be forced to open
| because of a rebellious population, or be forced to criminalize a
| lot of otherwise normal people.
|
| 1. https://abc7news.com/coronavirus-domestic-violence-lawyer-
| ne...
| ceejayoz wrote:
| Is my bank balance "deceiving" because I might spend a lot
| tomorrow?
|
| It shows the current state of the metrics. That's it. If a
| region takes enough of a downward turn, the lockdown tightens
| up again.
| throwawaysea wrote:
| I love the specificity of these metrics and thresholds here.
| We're lacking that in WA, where the goalposts on reopening phases
| and variance by region remains vague and ever changing.
| tqi wrote:
| How is the public intended to consume a dashboard like this? Is
| this supposed to inform citizens actions in some way?
| exegete wrote:
| Yes it seems to inform the citizens of how the government is
| making this decision. What's your criticism with it? You don't
| want this communicated or just not in this way?
| mwfunk wrote:
| It clearly explains what the criteria for reopening is and
| shows which of those criteria each region has met, and
| quantifies how far they've got to go. And it's kept up to date.
| I can't imagine anyone looking at this and not immediately
| seeing how informative and useful it is.
| tqi wrote:
| That's the information that is on the dashboard... what are
| people supposed to do with that information?
| kevmo314 wrote:
| Probably nothing, but it provides a way for the government
| to answer the question "when are we going to open back up?"
| to being "when all the checkmarks are green" instead of
| "when we say so".
| josephorjoe wrote:
| Which is actually quite valuable as transparency from
| decision makers makes it much easier to evaluate the
| quality of their decisions and to understand whether they
| are being foolishly capricious or they are using facts
| and reasonable judgement about what should be done about
| an ongoing crisis.
|
| Then if you disagree with the government's position, you
| can base an objection on facts (e.g., one of these
| metrics is not set at an appropriate level or is not
| impactful enough to guide decision making) instead of
| just yelling that the government is wrong and should
| change what they are doing.
| KoftaBob wrote:
| All the employers need to know this information so they
| know when they can reopen. It's not like they all have some
| direct hotline to the governor that will call them when
| they can open.
|
| This is a good way to keep workplaces up to date so they
| can let their employees know to come back. Especially since
| the governor is letting every one of these regions handle
| reopening themselves, so it won't be some statewide
| announcement on TV.
| munk-a wrote:
| As a business owner it might let you plan around how likely
| it will be that you'll still be allowed to be open next
| week and get an idea of how safe potential customers are
| feeling.
|
| I think it doesn't do a lot for folks that just work in an
| office - but there are a lot of people, business owners and
| HR folks, that are trying to help their employees get a
| better grip of what the situation is and how it's trending.
| ProAm wrote:
| You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him
| drink. How you consume and process this information is up
| to you and what is important to you. Expecting the
| government to tell you what this information means would be
| overreach and presumptuous. This is great data on the state
| of New York in terms of metrics.
| karaterobot wrote:
| Does:
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| > Contact Tracers: 30 per 100k residents
|
| Mean 30 people doing manual contact tracing full time? If so, it
| seems like a fuzzy metric, since it would just measure butts in
| seats rather than any kind of efficacy. If it's measuring
| something else, excuse my ignorance.
| throwaway122378 wrote:
| It's just that. People who will manually trace an infected
| persons contacts and force them to "Self" quarantine
| throwaway122378 wrote:
| Look at the graph on page 10 of their powerpoint. NY has
| significantly beat any estimate for cases thus far. Then look at
| their graph on page 33 on possible scenarios for when we reopen.
| Another doomsday prediction THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN.
|
| Mandatory testing? Good luck with that. Contact tracing? What
| happens if one of these criteria aren't met. Will Fuhrer Cuomo
| lock us all inside again?
| ape4 wrote:
| Are they going to reopen a region if it hits all the criteria. A
| concern is that people will flood from a closed region to a open
| one.
| ken wrote:
| I don't think it's a major concern that Manhattan is going to
| migrate to the Finger Lakes, no.
| WrtCdEvrydy wrote:
| Yes, all regions must be green in order for phased reopening...
| think about it like a smart contract.
| KoftaBob wrote:
| No they're actually going with a regional reopening in NY.
| Each region can reopen on its own when they reach the 7
| metrics.
| JackFr wrote:
| That's probably less of a problem than you might imagine. As
| long as NYC, Long Island and Westchester go at the same time
| there's nowhere else that they can really "flood" from one
| region to another.
| exegete wrote:
| I think this is a good point. There was supposed to be a
| coordinated reopening with the tristate because of that
| thought, but maybe that plan changed.
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