[HN Gopher] First Krita Beta for Android and ChromeOS in Play Store
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       First Krita Beta for Android and ChromeOS in Play Store
        
       Author : reddotX
       Score  : 303 points
       Date   : 2020-05-23 09:55 UTC (13 hours ago)
        
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       | haunter wrote:
       | >Unlike the Windows and Steam store, we don't ask for money for
       | Krita in the store, since it's the only way people can install
       | Krita on those devices, but you can buy a supporter badge from
       | within Krita to support development.
       | 
       | I wish more free software projects would do that. You can
       | download Krita for free but if you want to support the project
       | you can buy it from Steam or Windows Store.
        
         | LegitShady wrote:
         | If you know about the project you can donate the money to them
         | directly to avoid Steam/Windows taking a cut, but for lots of
         | people who dont want to worry about updating their software it
         | gives you something in return for the donation.
        
       | bobajeff wrote:
       | Congratulations, on finally having a tablet version of Krita. I
       | think years ago they planned to make one for Windows Phone but we
       | all know what happened there.
       | 
       | Looking forward to the phone version.
        
       | jononor wrote:
       | Congrats Krita team for Android tablet release!
       | 
       | I bought a pen tablet with screen recently, the Gaimon PD1161.
       | Incredibly cheap compared to the Wacom Cintiq, and it works great
       | with Krita (on Windows). My girlfriend uses it all the time now:
       | https://www.youtube.com/user/PapillonMarianne/videos
        
       | Maha-pudma wrote:
       | I'm interested in starting drawing on my computer. What tablet is
       | best for Linux?
        
         | boudewijnrempt wrote:
         | Wacom. The very, very best is a second hand Wacom Intuos 3, if
         | you can get a few spare pens. That's before Wacome started
         | adding all kinds of smart interpolation curves to the tablet
         | hardware itself. My Intuos 3 is eleven years old and going
         | strong. We got it back then:
         | https://dot.kde.org/2007/11/16/art-tablets-krita
        
           | chrismorgan wrote:
           | I'm curious: what do these smart interpolation curves do, and
           | why do you consider them bad?
        
             | boudewijnrempt wrote:
             | They change the inputs to the painting application in a way
             | that the user cannot influence; the app no longer gets the
             | raw hardware take, but something that's "improved" and
             | "smoothed out". And that's limiting. We can do our own
             | smoothing, thank you very much, and leave the amount to our
             | user's discretion.
        
       | out_of_protocol wrote:
       | According to screenshots Android version is tablet only. Also,
       | store says "device incompatible" (Samsung S8+)
        
         | izacus wrote:
         | This is explicitly mentioned in the FIRST sentence of the
         | article.
        
         | hellozee wrote:
         | Android Tablets and Chromebooks, the ui isn't much usable for
         | smartphones
        
           | illuminated wrote:
           | It's a pity it doesn't work on Samsung Galaxy Note devices.
           | With the "built in" pen it would be a spot on despite the
           | smaller screen size.
        
       | illuminated wrote:
       | Congrats for the release!
       | 
       | I love Krita. Actually, my kids love it so much. I've had a Wacom
       | tablet for years and thanks to Krita my kids are expanding their
       | artistic skills rapidly. I wish the people behind it all the
       | best!
        
         | hellozee wrote:
         | <3, do check this out, https://krita-
         | artists.org/c/artwork/5/l/top
        
           | illuminated wrote:
           | Thanks for the link, looks great!
        
         | renewiltord wrote:
         | Does the pressure sensitivity work well for you in Krita?
        
         | Mirioron wrote:
         | I wish more parents bought their kids drawing tablets. Kids try
         | out all kinds of things, but it's hard to try out something
         | that you don't have the equipment for. Sure, drawing on paper
         | is a possibility, but it's not quite the same thing as digital
         | art that tends to be much easier to share and get feedback on.
        
           | illuminated wrote:
           | I am constantly amazed at what they are able to do with it. I
           | was just a minute ago explaining to my younger daughter the
           | concept of layers and the first thing she did with it was to
           | separate an object to which she wanted to apply a special
           | filter. Without even thinking about it.
        
             | kitsunesoba wrote:
             | This takes me back to when I was 12 and discovered layers
             | in Photoshop 6. Having always been frustrated with my
             | drawings being all matted together in
             | Paint/ClarisWorks/etc, layers blew my mind and hooked me on
             | the concept of digital art.
             | 
             | Layers are a great example of how simple tools can act as a
             | multiplier for creativity and inspiration.
        
               | illuminated wrote:
               | I lost my PC graphics virginity with Corel DRAW (I don't
               | remember the version). Man, it was so inspiring... I
               | could never get used to Adobe Illustrator afterwards, it
               | just did not seem logic after working with Corel Draw for
               | years.
               | 
               | They've recently published a revamped version with Mac
               | compatibility and I bought it just for the sake of good
               | old times, although I'm far from doing any graphic work
               | anymore.
        
           | m4rtink wrote:
           | This is basically Wacoms fault - they sat on their patents
           | basically only producing expensive high end devices,
           | preventing others from providing high volume basic but cheap
           | devices. This was the most apparent in the LCD tablet are
           | where until recently was just the high end Wacom made Cintiq
           | that was insanely expensive and nothing else.
           | 
           | I believe that we lost at least one generation of digital
           | artists due to this - not everyone can be productive by a
           | non-LCD tablet and even those have been overpriced.
           | 
           | Thankfully with the main Wacom tablet patents finally gone,
           | the situation seems to be finally recovering, with many new,
           | mostly Chinese, LCD tablet makers and a lot of people using
           | high end Android and Apple tablets for drawing (which are
           | still much much cheaper than what Wacom used to want for a
           | simple LCD tablet display or for what it sells its bulky
           | mobile studio devices these days).
           | 
           | But to this day, we can still see the technical dept caused
           | by Wacom blocking a whole area of HID devices for ~20 years -
           | drivers for non Wacom LCD drawing displays are still a mess
           | and there is a lack of quality drawing software, especially
           | on Android.
           | 
           | So good to se Krita helping to address at least one of these
           | issues. :)
        
             | egypturnash wrote:
             | Wacom has been making cheap tablets for ages, I started
             | with a $100 Graphire back around 2000, the specs and name
             | for the low end tablet has changed but you can still get a
             | tablet with a small working area for about US$100. You can
             | get last year's entry-level tablet for even less; if you
             | have any kind of art friend connections you could probably
             | find one for the cost of shipping.
             | 
             | There has been no lack of cheap non-screen drawing tablets,
             | and I really think that there's nothing even resembling a
             | whole generation of digital artists who done exist because
             | of the lack of screen tablets. There's a FUCKTON of pro
             | artists out there who were enabled by a cheap drawing
             | tablet and a pirated copy of (insert art program here).
        
             | bitwize wrote:
             | There have been cheap tablets around for years, many of
             | those work fine. I remember having a Kurta tablet in the
             | late 90s that cost like $60 or so.
             | 
             | For me the gating factor was Linux support: along that
             | axis, there was Wacom (which had it), and everybody else
             | (which didn't). These days, even though the kernel and X
             | drivers are called "wacom", they support all manner of
             | budget tablets under a variety of brand names (though you
             | will want to check to see if a particular model is
             | supported, and how well).
             | 
             | LCD tablets are nice (albeit for a while it was cheaper to
             | simply buy a tablet-based notebook computer than a Cintiq
             | of equivalent size) -- but not having one doesn't prevent
             | you from being proficient at digital art. Using a regular
             | tablet is a great way to get started; the extra precision
             | offered by an integrated LCD display extends your reach and
             | productivity, it doesn't gate being able to produce at all.
        
               | m4rtink wrote:
               | From my experience using a non screen tablet makes the
               | learning curve much steeper while a screen tablet feels
               | much more natural due to people being used to seeing what
               | they are drawing from writing and drawing on paper.
               | 
               | I have seen this one some festivals where they set up a
               | couple Wacom LCD tablet devices for people to draw on -
               | there was a lot of interest and basically everyone was
               | able to start drawing in a couple minutes. Seeing what
               | you are drawing on the screen and not in front of you
               | basically throws all the muscle memory people have from
               | paper drawing and writing out of the window.
        
           | mbeex wrote:
           | The leading brand is quite expensive (at least here in
           | Germany), especially when it comes to reasonable sizes
           | (A4/letter). I've been putting this off for years.
           | 
           | Finally - a few months ago - I aquired something remarkable
           | cheaper, a chinese Gaomon M106K. It turned out, it is not
           | cheap at all in the other sense of the word. Good quality and
           | support at least for my use case (a bit different,
           | handwritten formulas and sometimes some sketched diagrams).
           | But my youngest kids use it for painting with Krita too.
        
             | illuminated wrote:
             | I got lucky years ago running into sales for a bluetooth
             | version of the Wacom tablet (540WL) and the wireless option
             | does somehow "sets you free" while drawing... But they are
             | expensive, yes.
        
             | omnimus wrote:
             | Nobody wants A4 tablet trust me its not worth it. Ive seen
             | so many pros replace them with A5 or even A6 because its
             | better and more convinient.
             | 
             | On the other hand any other brand than the leading brand is
             | truly terrible.
        
               | weego wrote:
               | Actual pros replace them with cintiq or similar and are
               | always larger than A4. I've never seen a full time
               | designer move down size, because you lose fidelity at the
               | same zoom level and are constantly fiddling with zoom
               | which is a source of major frustration
        
               | omnimus wrote:
               | Of course you want cintiq as big as possible but not
               | tablet. With A4 you get to a point where you have to move
               | a lot around the table with hand in front of you while
               | you are looking straight at your screen its just akward.
               | You dont have space for keyboard etc.
        
               | bsanr2 wrote:
               | I can corroborate this. A full size tablet is not always
               | ideal. Display tablets like Cintiqs benefit from larger
               | size because you are drawing 1:1 on a screen. The size
               | allows for comfortable viewing as well as full arm
               | movements on a surface that resembles a drafting table.
               | However, traditional graphics tablets require you to draw
               | on a separate surface while looking up at a monitor. The
               | screen is mapped to the tablet surface, so to move the 10
               | inches on a 27" monitor to reach a button, you might
               | instead only move your pen tip 1 or 2 inches. In this
               | case, it's often easier to draw using small movements,
               | and zoom in and out as required to work on structure or
               | detail.
               | 
               | Using a large tablet is like using a mouse with the
               | sensitivity turned down. It quickly becomes frustrating
               | having to move your arm around so much to manage the
               | interface, especially when you don't have a direct
               | connection between what you're looking at and touching.
               | 
               | The difference is why someone might use a steno pad or
               | moleskin journal rather than a full-size legal pad.
        
               | mattkevan wrote:
               | An illustrator friend bought an A3 Wacom years ago. It
               | was so big that if you put legs on it it'd be a
               | reasonable sized desk by itself.
               | 
               | He ended up changing the mapping to only use a small
               | portion near the front as he could barely reach the back.
        
               | mkl wrote:
               | I do! This doesn't make sense to me. I have a Galaxy Note
               | 12.2, and it's great, but bigger would be better (it's
               | not quite A4). I also have a 12"x9" Wacom Intuos, 12"
               | Surface Pro, 15" Surface Book 2 from work. All of those
               | would be even better bigger (but the work laptop wouldn't
               | fit in my backpack any more). I have a small Wacom tablet
               | too, and it's too small to be very useful.
        
               | omnimus wrote:
               | Touchscreens and Tablets are something very different.
               | Sure you want as big screen as possible.
               | 
               | I bet most people who switch to touchscreens never want
               | tablet back. Many people prefer tablets over touchscreens
               | because you don't have to slouch.
        
               | sitkack wrote:
               | I would be interested in seeing videos of how people draw
               | with tablets and touchscreens. Esp drawing with a small
               | A6 tablet.
        
               | m4rtink wrote:
               | Devices like the Galaxy Tab S6 are basically a very
               | powerful Android tablet with low latency high precision
               | pen input (also does pressure and tilt detectio) via the
               | supplied S pen (uses basically the same battery free
               | technology as Wacom tablets).
        
               | egypturnash wrote:
               | Yeah, I am a pro artist and I have played with screen
               | tablets and I do not like the way they make me hunch over
               | my work surface and ruin my back, I really like that I
               | can have my screen at the proper height above my desk and
               | my tablet at the most comfortable place on my desk. No
               | slouching, no achy spine, no ending up with nose prints
               | on the screen because I hunch closer instead of using the
               | zoom capabilities.
        
               | mbeex wrote:
               | > Nobody wants A4 tablet trust me its not worth it.
               | 
               | Why should I do so when I have my own experience?
               | 
               | > On the other hand any other brand than the leading
               | brand is truly terrible.
               | 
               | So you've tried them all? Not to talk about the use
               | cases...
        
               | omnimus wrote:
               | True i havent tried them all. Ocassionaly somebody around
               | has some wierd brand and it has never been really good.
               | But it might just be certain feeling wacoms have that is
               | something acquired and might not mean it's better.
        
               | jowsie wrote:
               | It's possibly it's something the Wacom drivers is doing
               | (smoothing, etc). There's a game called osu! where lots
               | of people play with graphics tablets, and a lot of people
               | use cheaper chinese (Gaomon) tablets, with open source
               | drivers that let you emulate the smoothing of Wacom
               | drivers.
               | 
               | https://github.com/hawku/TabletDriver
        
               | omnimus wrote:
               | Super interesting never heard of this. I thought its
               | software because hardware could be copied. Also the big
               | difference are usually other things than
               | movement/pointing its pressure and tilt where Wacom is
               | pretty great.
        
             | mackrevinack wrote:
             | what kind of price are we taking about? because a second
             | hand surface pro 3 is probably cheap these days and could
             | be used for a lot more than a wacom tablet, playing music,
             | watching videos etc
        
               | StavrosK wrote:
               | $50.
        
               | mbeex wrote:
               | Not for a Wacom with form factor >= A4. These have easily
               | a price tag in the higher three-digit Euro range (and
               | even more). Things like the A5 (!) Bamboo slate _start_
               | at 100 EU.
               | 
               | @parent Of course - I also switched for ebooks from a
               | dedicated reader to a tablet. But I'm still missing the
               | ability for reading in the full sun, power for two weeks
               | w/o charging, easiness on the eyes.
               | 
               | Similar - but harder to tolerate - things apply to a
               | painting tablet. You cannot replace it simply by a multi-
               | function device without losing quite a lot functionality.
        
               | StavrosK wrote:
               | I was talking about the GAOMON the GP mentioned.
        
             | Moru wrote:
             | The huion tablets are just as good if not better than
             | wacom.
        
       | mkl wrote:
       | Unfortunately this crashes immediately on my Galaxy Note 12.2.
        
         | hellozee wrote:
         | Please open a thread on https://krita-artists.org/ so that we
         | can help
        
       | boudewijnrempt wrote:
       | I'm surprised, speaking as the maintainer of Krita, to have a
       | first video review already:
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7oFUmVfiww :-)
        
         | HMH wrote:
         | The review mentions that the screen is a bit small for all of
         | Krita and suggests that using something like a big iPad
         | probably provides a better experience.
         | 
         | As this is only about Android I thought of promoting my take on
         | this problem. In fact I released a small program I use to take
         | handwritten notes via iPad on my Linux system just a few weeks
         | ago. It works on both Android and iOS and basically turns these
         | devices into graphic tablets. You can take a look at:
         | https://github.com/H-M-H/Weylus
        
       | freedomben wrote:
       | I bought a Wacom tablet to use with Krita and have been totally
       | unable to figure out how to make it work. Every tutorial/video
       | out there is for Windows and most of the settings that affect
       | Krita are done in a windows setting area. I use Fedora/Gnome and
       | don't have access to that level of settings (tho there are some
       | settings available through Gnome via libwacom, which itself is
       | awesome).
       | 
       | Anyone using Krita with a Wacom tablet under Linux? How do you
       | draw?
        
         | verroq wrote:
         | On Arch I've installed the Wacom drivers as outlined in the
         | Arch Wiki as it just works.
        
           | freedomben wrote:
           | Have you tried it with Krita? It "just works" on all other
           | apps I've tried it with (it behaves like a mouse), but Krita
           | is doing something different. It completely ignores the wacom
           | when focus is on the Krita window.
        
             | verroq wrote:
             | Yes Krita, pressure etc all work properly. You can check
             | the wiki and the troubleshooting steps will apply all Linux
             | not just Arch.
             | 
             | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wacom_tablet
        
               | freedomben wrote:
               | Cool, thanks I'll give that a try
        
         | raghukamath wrote:
         | Yes I am using Krita with wacom on Linux. On linux wacom and
         | most other tablets are just plug and play. They just work.
         | krita is just a click away from the software center.
        
           | freedomben wrote:
           | How did you configure Krita? I see almost nothing in the
           | "tablet settings" section besides pressure. When Krita has
           | focus and I draw on the tablet, it does nothing. Every other
           | app treats the tablet like a mouse.
        
             | willismichael wrote:
             | On Linux I didn't have to do anything other than plug in
             | the Wacom tablet, launch Krita, and start drawing.
             | 
             | This page of the Krita manual has some troubleshooting
             | suggestions specifically for Windows:
             | https://docs.krita.org/fr/user_manual/drawing_tablets.html
        
             | ur-whale wrote:
             | Go in the system settings, there's usually a section
             | dedicated to tablets.
        
       | maelito wrote:
       | Desktop Android just got better. Now we need a touch monitor with
       | a good pen.
        
       | thatjeffrin wrote:
       | What are the best Chromebook and tablet to run this on?
        
       | trashburger wrote:
       | Awesome news. This part caught my attention though:
       | 
       | >Unlike the Windows and Steam store, we don't ask for money for
       | Krita in the store, since it's the only way people can install
       | Krita on those devices, but you can buy a supporter badge from
       | within Krita to support development.
       | 
       | I don't know about the Windows store because I don't use Windows,
       | but doesn't the Steam store allow you to put up free tools? Godot
       | Engine is available for free on Steam, IIRC.
        
         | speedgoose wrote:
         | Yes, what they mean is that on windows you can get krita for
         | free outside of the windows store or steam. While on Android
         | most users are stuck with the Google Play store because it's
         | very difficult to use another store.
        
           | MikusR wrote:
           | You are thinking of iOS. On Android using a different store
           | or sideload is easy.
        
             | worble wrote:
             | >On Android using a different store or sideload is easy.
             | 
             | Asking users to use developer mode is not easy, and a huge
             | barrier to entry that most would just not bother and
             | download something else from the Play Store instead.
        
               | noisem4ker wrote:
               | Developer mode has never been required on Android. App
               | sources are managed by regular settings (Android 8+).
               | Before that, there was a single switch for all non-Play-
               | Store sources.
               | 
               | 1. User downloads an .apk using a browser
               | 
               | 2. User tries to open it
               | 
               | 3. Android prompts the user to allow the browser as a
               | trusted source
               | 
               | 4. User agrees by flipping a switch
               | 
               | 5. Installation resumes
               | 
               | 6. User enjoys the app
               | 
               | https://developer.android.com/distribute/marketing-
               | tools/alt...
               | 
               | https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-
               | to/android-101-sideload-...
        
               | cesarb wrote:
               | You forgot, and the users probably will forget too, to
               | flip the switch back so that the browser is no longer a
               | trusted source. That is, you've now increased the chance
               | of malware being accidentally installed through the
               | browser, since AFAIK Android will not prompt again until
               | the switch is flipped back to "not allowed".
        
               | yorwba wrote:
               | Android won't tell you again that the source is untrusted
               | and will directly show the installation dialog, but it
               | also won't silently install a random APK, so in practice
               | the risk of accidentally installing malware is not that
               | high unless you have very fat fingers.
        
               | jraph wrote:
               | This is not a great substitute for installing through an
               | app store because the app will not update automatically.
               | 
               | This is, however, a great thing to have.
               | 
               | A better substitute would be using F-Droid. By the way,
               | some free software apps are not gratis on the Play Store
               | but are on F-Droid.
               | 
               | It can still be confusing to manage two app stores for
               | some people, while installing an app from a downloaded
               | executable is usual on Windows, so Krita probably did the
               | right thing.
        
               | StavrosK wrote:
               | What you say echoes my experience, I see a lot of apps on
               | the Play store say "pay 1.99 here or get it for free on
               | F-Droid", which is fair. I usually even pay the money
               | even though I have F-Droid installed, just to support the
               | dev.
        
               | noisem4ker wrote:
               | Good question: why is Krita not on F-Droid? Probably a
               | matter of time and effort, not a technical reason. I
               | guess they sensibly got into the most visible
               | marketplaces first.
        
               | hellozee wrote:
               | Exactly, it is on our plans, would take a bit of time.
        
             | hellozee wrote:
             | Not for chromebooks, unfortunately
        
               | smitop wrote:
               | You can sideload on Chromebooks if you enable developer
               | mode. But enabling developer mode wipes all data on the
               | system and displays a warning message on boot.
        
               | lucb1e wrote:
               | So Chromebooks only let you run software that a Google
               | employee approved, unless you wipe your device to enable
               | developer mode (which nobody, after using it for a while
               | and then deciding to develop something, will want to do)?
               | There is no other way to run some test code on it? I
               | didn't know that and it seems strange (even Android is
               | more liberal than that, and that's not a laptop) so
               | genuine question.
        
         | dgellow wrote:
         | On desktop they went with free installers from their website
         | and paid versions if you want the convenience of a store.
         | That's a way to support the project.
        
         | MikusR wrote:
         | Krita uses Windows and Steam store for additional funding. It's
         | freely available from website.
        
           | trashburger wrote:
           | Oh, if it's a funding related thing, then that's fine. The
           | paragraph makes it sound like they can't put Krita up on
           | those stores without requiring a fee.
        
       | z3t4 wrote:
       | Many ChromeOS devices do not support Android apps.
        
       | varbhat wrote:
       | Congratulations Krita.
       | 
       | But, Play store is showing that "Device is incompatible" to my
       | phone. Is this restricted to Tablets?
       | 
       | Another suggestion. Can't Mobile compatible UI be created (using
       | MAUIKIT/Qt) so that Krita can become best image software for
       | phones too ?
        
         | hellozee wrote:
         | Yes only for tablets and chromebooks for now.
         | 
         | It uses Qtwidgets and mauikit qml so it would be a heck of a
         | job to port that to qml
        
           | edjrage wrote:
           | Why not publish it for phones too? Something to do with UI
           | polishing (widget arrangement, responsiveness)?
           | 
           | I have a phablet (6+ inches, high resolution and DPI) with
           | pressure-sensitive stylus and I'd love to see Krita running
           | on it, even if the UI is not optimized yet.
        
             | hellozee wrote:
             | Yes, the UI isn't exactly the best thing even for tablets,
             | so we refrained from releasing it for phones. Though you
             | could always side load it once we have it in fdroid.
        
             | ACosmicDust wrote:
             | If your device supports OpenGL ES and is Android 6+ You can
             | get signed APK for your phablet from here: https://krita-
             | artists.org/t/making-and-testing-the-android-b...
        
       | bitwize wrote:
       | Tried it out. Loved it. I have one of those moderately expensive
       | Samsung Chromebooks with its own pen, and the pressure
       | sensitivity stuff works great. I can see myself building an art
       | workflow around my Chromebook with Krita. Previously the only
       | options on Chromebooks or Android were proprietary apps that had
       | ads, including Autodesk Sketchbook which I used to love but they
       | added ads, DeviantArt integration, and nerfed the UX.
       | 
       | So getting an open source, full-featured alternative is fantastic
       | for me.
        
         | Ritsuko_akagi wrote:
         | They have ads on autodesk sketchbook? When I had an android
         | phone I paid for it and they made it free a few months later.
         | Now I am on iphone and even the free apps have much less ads.
        
           | bitwize wrote:
           | It was years ago and I forgot what change they made. It was
           | either ads or "sign up for a free account". Whatever it was,
           | it pissed me off -- and enough others that Autodesk
           | apparently walked it back.
           | 
           | It only stressed to me the need for an open-source solution
           | -- which Krita on Android fills nicely.
        
       | mbeex wrote:
       | Not a support forum here - but does someone know, if there are
       | ways to resize UI fonts for the Windows Krita application without
       | touching the Windows setting for the whole monitor?
       | 
       | The only way still working for me is an arcane - in fact
       | deprecated for a long time - Qt environment variable
       | (QT_DEVICE_PIXEL_RATIO), that makes a difference for at least a
       | portable Krita installation.
        
         | LegitShady wrote:
         | This is a big deal. If you use a display drawing tablet, the
         | likelihood of it having the same resolution as your display
         | monitor are becoming less and less, and if I can't scale krita
         | on its own the UI becomes a mess.
        
           | boudewijnrempt wrote:
           | We're really dependent on the Qt framework here. And they've
           | been messing around with hidpi support for ages, and never,
           | ever get it really right. The current state, in 5.15 is still
           | "fractional scaling, well, deal with one pixel gaps between
           | decorations in widgets (like lines).
        
         | hellozee wrote:
         | Open up a thread here https://krita-artists.org/
        
           | mbeex wrote:
           | Problem is known for many years.
        
       | v1k65 wrote:
       | In the last 6 to 9 months I have been learning Drawing
       | (Pen/Paper), Digital paining (Krita) and 3D modeling (Blender) in
       | my free time.
       | 
       | I must say, I had to try very hard to not explore Photoshop and
       | other 3D tools, It wasn't easy when I see most professionals
       | using Photoshop, 3DS, Maya, etc. From time to time i get
       | frustrated with low quality Youtube's tutorials, numerous times I
       | had to remind myself to have patience, and stick with Krita &
       | Blender.
       | 
       | Now I in love with Blender, and getting used to like Krita with
       | Wacom table.
        
       | toxicFork wrote:
       | Aw, it does not work well on mobile phones, because the dialogues
       | are cropped and unscrollable. I am going to keep an eye on it
       | though, some apps like sketchbook are somewhat working but they
       | are limited. Having krita equivalent for the phone would be
       | awesome.
        
         | hellozee wrote:
         | The UI in the current form is not suitable for phones, but
         | efforts are being made, :)
        
         | ngold wrote:
         | I have yet to find something that works better than medibang
         | for all around doodling on phones and tablets. However, I'm
         | excited to keep an eye on this as well.
        
           | m4rtink wrote:
           | AFAIK Ibis Paint targets Android smartphones, possibply even
           | as their main target. They have various helper tools for
           | finger based drawing and even their tutorial videos are dony
           | by hand on a normal size smartphone (eq. not on an Android
           | tablet with precize pen support).
        
         | inetsee wrote:
         | They say up front that this release is not appropriate for
         | mobile phones.
        
           | trynewideas wrote:
           | For once I wish my phone _didn't_ support an external
           | display, mouse, and keyboard.
        
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       | onemoresoop wrote:
       | Great work team Krita!
       | 
       | I wish there was a mode conducive to less control and creativity
       | a la ArtRage. I am not a professional digital artist and all the
       | control that digital drawing platforms have encumbers my creative
       | workflow. Any chance we'll get this in Krita? In ArtRage for
       | example colors interact more like in real life and don't need to
       | separate objects in layers but just paint over the way layers
       | naturally happen.
        
       | ur-whale wrote:
       | Fantastic news.
       | 
       | Just installed this on my Galaxy tab. It still has some rough
       | edges, but it is miles ahead of all the drawing adware I had used
       | so far.
       | 
       | Oh and, thank you Krita developers: it actually feels like a
       | desktop app (as in: you can load and save files, and there's an
       | actual "exit" button").
        
         | m4rtink wrote:
         | Thanks a lot as well! Got Galaxy Tab S6 for drawing and the
         | software available on Android has not really been that good
         | when compared to what is available on desktop Linux with Krita,
         | Mypaint and others. :)
        
         | raghukamath wrote:
         | Thanks for installing. Enjoy painting. With support and
         | feedback from users it might get otpimized further
        
         | hellozee wrote:
         | don't forget to drop your feedback on https://krita-
         | artists.org/
        
       | toastal wrote:
       | People really should give Krita a go if they want escape the
       | Adobe bubble. I was really impressed with it for drawing over
       | GIMP.
        
         | illuminated wrote:
         | I completely agree with you on this. I was considering GIMP as
         | the only relevant substitute for Adobe until I've played a bit
         | with Krita. Really amazing piece of work.
        
           | deltron3030 wrote:
           | Rebelle is also quite nice. They even have an HSLuv based
           | color picker. Super underrated software only a handful of
           | digital painting pros know about ;)
           | 
           | https://www.escapemotions.com/products/rebelle/index.php
        
           | mbeex wrote:
           | To be fair, GIMP considers itself also an image processing
           | software, not (or only partially) a painting program. At
           | least, it emphasizes this aspect and it shows (yes it
           | mentions also artistic usage).
           | 
           | I'm using it this way as a tool (being a software writer in
           | this industry), but the tasks belonging to it and those for
           | Krita have a virtually empty intersection.
        
           | bsanr2 wrote:
           | Clip Studio Paint and Affinity are also well-regarded, though
           | not FOSS. CSP in particular has great support and advanced
           | tools like posable maquettes and perspective rulers.
        
             | raghukamath wrote:
             | While we (Krita) don't have 3D support yet, but we do have
             | perspective and other kinds of rulers (assistants) support.
             | There are lots of other features too like wrap around mode
             | for seamless tile creation etc.
        
               | bsanr2 wrote:
               | For the record, I have all 3 installed. :) I find that
               | they're useful for different purposes and that it's
               | helpful to be able to tap into two feature sets and
               | support communities.
        
       | Youden wrote:
       | I'm not an artist myself but I follow David Revoy, who [0] uses
       | Krita and other open-source software extensively for his Pepper &
       | Carrot comic [1]. His blog [0] is full of posts about how he does
       | his work using open-source tools.
       | 
       | There are plenty of fantastic artists who use Krita but I find
       | him interesting because of how dedicated he is to using open-
       | source software for all his work.
       | 
       | [0]: https://www.davidrevoy.com/
       | 
       | [1]: https://www.peppercarrot.com/
        
       | nelaboras wrote:
       | This sounds great for the kids. Does anyone have experience of
       | the combination Wacom/similar with a (cheap) Chromebook?
        
         | phaedryx wrote:
         | I got my daughter a Huion tablet and a laptop in the Chromebook
         | price range. It did take a bit of work to get everything
         | working for her in Linux, but it works great. She loves it and
         | draws a ton.
         | 
         | I also bought a HP Spectre x360 recently. Krita works really
         | well on it too.
        
         | hellozee wrote:
         | You can ask people here, https://krita-artists.org/
        
       | amelius wrote:
       | What development tools/framework did they use to write it?
        
         | ACosmicDust wrote:
         | Krita is primarily C++/Qt based. Qt does technically support
         | Android. So any app written in it could work, but nevertheless,
         | it was imperative to tweak Qt code to get Krita useable on
         | Android. :-)
        
       | abrookewood wrote:
       | Just reiterating the same point - Krita plus a drawing tablet is
       | a perfect combination for kids. It handles both drawing and
       | animating really well.
        
         | mkl wrote:
         | The symmetry drawing mode is amazing for kids to play with. Any
         | scribble becomes instantly pretty.
        
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