[HN Gopher] Push-Button Installer of macOS Guests in VirtualBox ...
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Push-Button Installer of macOS Guests in VirtualBox for Windows,
Linux, macOS
Author : miles
Score : 88 points
Date : 2020-05-23 18:00 UTC (4 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (github.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (github.com)
| wuxiekeji wrote:
| Is there a pushbutton installer of a non-VM version? I tried
| several "Niresh" images and they didn't work. Other directions
| said I needed a real Mac and some Clover POS or some other stuff
| i didn't understand.
| rick_e wrote:
| Cloning for "research"
| AbraKdabra wrote:
| Doing the same, my girlfriend told me to tell her what font is
| being used in that image, gotta research it further.
| bransonf wrote:
| I know you're probably being sarcastic, but Apple uses their
| own San Francisco Font throughout the OS [0]. It's personally
| one of my favorite fonts, though Apple has full rights. Some
| typographers allege that Roboto is fairly close.
|
| [0] https://developer.apple.com/fonts/
| DiabloD3 wrote:
| I'm going to make one of those unpopular opinions, but alas, it
| must be said: It is far easier to just drop Apple support
| entirely.
|
| Apple is an abusive relationship that gaslights developers for
| "holding it wrong". Many of you have internalized this abuse.
| Supporting OSX and iOS does not really win you many users, and if
| you're big enough where this really is an issue, then you can
| just afford a stand alone Mac who's job is to compile and test
| your app.
|
| Apple does not care about small developers, and countless HN
| stories have spent their time on the front page detailing how
| Apple has shut apps off for not violating terms, and having zero
| recourse over this. By doing so, Apple has slandered many members
| of the HN community.
|
| I am not saying other companies are not also guilty of it (Google
| seems to have recently learned there are no penalties for this,
| largely because Apple has never been penalized), but more and
| more people really are just dropping Apple and never going back.
|
| If Apple truly cared about app development on their platform(s),
| they would just port their stuff to Windows and Linux, just like
| Microsoft did to OSX and Linux.
| 29athrowaway wrote:
| Pro: iOS users monetize more than Android.
|
| Con: Pushing updates to an iOS app is a pain (review process).
| 0x0 wrote:
| The review process on Google Play is worse than iOS these
| days, both in regards to waiting time and in dealing with
| clarifications
| an_opabinia wrote:
| In my experience they monetize like 500% better than Android
| users.
|
| Not supporting iOS users is just baffling.
|
| They're rich people plain and simple. They can afford $800
| iPhones or $1,800 phone + iPad combos, to people who need to
| buy $200 Android devices.
|
| Maybe I've been gaslit. But just don't push buggy updates. QA
| is not hard. Update all the time is a symptom of test-driven
| development, of affectless people who never use the software
| they make and look at their job description as, "cram
| algorithms questions, output git commits." The kind term for
| the right approach called "product oriented."
| simonklitj wrote:
| With a 47% market share in the US, I can hardly agree that
| supporting iOS won't win you a lot of users.
| fxtentacle wrote:
| Users != Money
|
| As far as I'm concerned, you can sell desktop enterprise
| software for $500+ per license, but good luck trying to sell
| a $5 iOS app.
|
| So even if it was 90% of the app market, it might still be
| financially better to ignore iOS and do desktop instead.
| simonklitj wrote:
| Not disagreeing with that, but DiabloD3 was specifically
| talking users, not money.
| untog wrote:
| There isn't a huge crossover between desktop apps and
| mobile ones. If you're making a mobile app and you want to
| make money, you want to be on iOS. It's been documented
| plenty that iOS apps make a lot more money than Android
| ones do.
| zxcb1 wrote:
| Does it work under Fusion too?
| Reubend wrote:
| Wow, great work! I'm reading through the script's source right
| now to learn about how it works.
| TheDong wrote:
| This is likely illegal. The psystar case[0] was a very clear
| ruling that attempts to circumvent apple's restrictions on
| hardware are a violation of the DMCA.
|
| Apple checks a certain devicekey while booting, so that key is an
| anti-circumvention techniques. Any use of that string in a form
| where apple's software may read it is probably a violation of the
| DMCA. This script uses that string[1] in order to circumvent
| apple's checks, and thus is legally dubious at best.
|
| There are numerous other likely DMCA violations as well, from
| copying GUIDs with the intent to circumvent checks to downloading
| copyrighted material from apple's servers which they only give
| you license to download for an actual mac machine.
|
| [0]:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psystar_Corporation#Legal_issu...
|
| [1]: https://github.com/myspaghetti/macos-
| virtualbox/blob/44a21f7...
| captn3m0 wrote:
| A search on that keyword is a good way to find other similar
| repos:
| https://github.com/search?q=ourhardworkbythesewordsguardedpl...
| saagarjha wrote:
| Great, now Hacker News is going to get a DMCA takedown
| request as a result of your URL being here.
| cosmojg wrote:
| Bahahaha, really? This DMCA nonsense sounds ridiculous!
| aboringusername wrote:
| I wonder if a user maliciously posted URLs that were later
| editable and linked to pirated content would yield a
| significant amount of DMCA requests to be sent. Seems easy
| to abuse or troll and highlight how insane the DMCA is.
| teh_klev wrote:
| In real life, does anyone care?
| eli wrote:
| You mean as a hobbyist? I sure wouldn't use this at work.
| burnte wrote:
| It may the EULA, but it is not illegal. Contract violations are
| the same as breaking the law. I'm not trying to be a pedant,
| but it's important to push back against the corporate effort to
| change language to benefit them. Copyright violations are
| violating the law, illegal, but violating a contract is not
| illegal.
| Stratoscope wrote:
| > _Contract violations are the same as breaking the law._
|
| Just noting a likely typo here - based on the context I think
| you meant "are _not_ the same "?
|
| (If you make the edit I will delete this message to reduce
| clutter.)
| userbinator wrote:
| _Any use of that string in a form where apple 's software may
| read it is probably a violation of the DMCA._
|
| That reminds me of these cases, which ruled in the opposite
| direction:
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_v._Accolade
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexmark_International,_Inc._v....
| .
|
| _downloading copyrighted material from apple 's servers which
| they only give you license to download for an actual mac
| machine._
|
| I guess the CFAA could apply, but Apple's servers don't
| actually do any authentication. You also don't need to have
| agreed to anything to access the URLs.
| boudin wrote:
| This is definitely not legal, but the fact that the apple
| ecosysten is still stuck in the pre-vm era in 2020 for the
| purely stupid business model of jailling developers in an apple
| ecosystem as soon as they need to create an ios app (which
| should never require an apple computer in the first place) is
| an absolute ridiculous waste of time and resources.
|
| Any company that deals with cross platform products has to
| build a modern CI/CD and a medieval stuff on the side to deal
| with apple.
|
| Sorry for the rant, just had to get this out.
| ajconway wrote:
| I hope we'll get some VM-friendly features as a byproduct of
| x86-ARM transition.
| ajconway wrote:
| This script can be used to set up a macOS VM using Virtual Box
| running on a macOS Host. Running macOS guest on Apple-branded
| hardware is explicitly permitted by the EULA. I wonder if using
| the "secret" string still violates anything here.
| vbezhenar wrote:
| Would it be legal for this script to accept that "secret"
| string and GUID as configuration parameters rather than
| hardcoded values? That way end user would be responsible for
| actual violation and Apple is unlikely to pursue end users.
| TheDong wrote:
| If the primary purpose of something is for circumvention, the
| DMCA still applies I think.
| o-__-o wrote:
| kind of like emulators that say -place bios firmware here-?
|
| see sony v bleem
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