[HN Gopher] This has to stop now. Website which aims to build li...
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This has to stop now. Website which aims to build library of police
brutality
Author : h3cate
Score : 293 points
Date : 2020-05-31 22:01 UTC (59 minutes ago)
(HTM) web link (thishastostopnow.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (thishastostopnow.com)
| pojzon wrote:
| How does the validation of the stories work ? I hope it will not
| end up as the next place to fuel unnecessary violence like in
| Toronto.
| h3cate wrote:
| Currently, I'm having to watch the videos and verify them
| personally. Not the way I want to spend my evenings but sadly
| something I feel I have to do.
| nappa-leon wrote:
| Do you need help? Is there anyway we can help?
| egonschiele wrote:
| You are a hero.
| egonschiele wrote:
| FWIW I'm happy to donate to you, or if you find a way to
| pay someone to do the sorting I'm happy to chip in for that
| as well.
| ykevinator wrote:
| Me too
| h3cate wrote:
| I'm just a guy sat in his bedroom. The real heros are the
| ones that are demanding for equality, keeping their
| emotions in check regardless of the unjust that they have
| suffered.
| nappa-leon wrote:
| Is there anyway we can help? Also can we donate for server
| costs?
| h3cate wrote:
| You can help by reviewing videos (something I have really
| not enjoyed doing) or by contributing code. Discord link:
| https://discord.gg/5w2nz8. As for donating I would point
| you here - https://www.gofundme.com/f/georgefloyd
| [deleted]
| ghostpepper wrote:
| Can you elaborate on what happened in Toronto?
| SpicyLemonZest wrote:
| The police were accused of pushing a girl Regis Korchinski-
| Paquet off a balcony to her death. It didn't end up being
| true, but this hasn't defused the protests.
| pstuart wrote:
| Tangentially related: anybody have links for good op-sec guides
| for creating a site that might make dangerous people pissed off?
| flixic wrote:
| If you can rely on audience being quite technical, IPFS is a
| pretty good, very censorship-resistant approach. There are some
| IPFS bridges that make viewing content easier.
|
| If IPFS is out of the question, I'd look for hosting services
| that talk openly about being censorship-resistant. Won't give
| any links, but there are a couple, even if slightly shady
| looking.
| [deleted]
| Ie883hdb wrote:
| Retroshare!
| mr_spothawk wrote:
| needs a better interface, but it's my fav candidate for
| immediate backup if it were necessary.
| h3cate wrote:
| Depends on the dangerous people you're talking about I suppose
| CameronNemo wrote:
| Exactly. IIRC alphabet agencies operate many tor exit nodes.
| xwdv wrote:
| Leaders in black protests have been killed off by white power
| supremacists over the years. The creator of this site risks
| the same.
| austincheney wrote:
| There is no indication this website is a racial thing. It
| looks like the op is gathering any videos of police
| brutality.
| quickthrower2 wrote:
| Twitter seems to be doing a good job.
|
| Maybe you don't create a site, but resurface the content on
| different social media.
| mr_spothawk wrote:
| i think datprotocol.org looks promising for folks who are
| interested in rehosting the data
| greggyb wrote:
| Host it here: https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/ (This is
| assuming that you are not doing anything illegal.)
|
| Make it static.
|
| Be able to deploy quickly to a new host if need be.
| mLuby wrote:
| How about [This Page Is
| Anonymous](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20220048)?
|
| Anonymous-site-as-a-service must be a thing.
| supernintendo wrote:
| Thank you for this! Your site might be a good place to signal-
| boost potential solutions to the problem of police brutality as
| well. I stumbled across a Twitter thread earlier which has some
| interesting ideas:
| https://mobile.twitter.com/samswey/status/118065570127173222...
| mmm_grayons wrote:
| Something very similar to the Floyd case that wasn't too widely
| reported; probably a good one to add (assuming it's not already
| there; I'm having trouble accessing the site):
| https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/yo...
| chrisco255 wrote:
| Can you also add all the times cops are abused and murdered on
| the job, trying to protect innocent people? Thanks.
| h3cate wrote:
| I'd be happy to send you the code for the site if that's
| something you want to setup?
| thundergolfer wrote:
| Impressed with the civility of replies to the many people ITT
| being 'status quo warriors'. Good work on the website.
| egonschiele wrote:
| Actually, I would LOVE to see this information.
|
| My understanding is cops kill way more often than they are
| killed. But I'd love to stand corrected.
|
| My understanding is the thin blue line is a myth. The real
| terrors are the cops. But again I'd love to be wrong.
| selectodude wrote:
| You're not. He's a troll. I'm sure next he'll say that cops
| need to start riots at protests because of black on black
| crime or something.
| seneca wrote:
| > My understanding is cops kill way more often than they are
| killed.
|
| Well, of course. That's expected isn't it? In an imaginary
| scenario where police act legitimately 100% of the time there
| are going to be situations where they have to use lethal
| force. In the same imagined scenario, there would be 0
| legitimate police deaths.
|
| If you're just going for some morbid score keeping, you would
| need to know illegitimate civilian deaths at the hands of the
| police vs illegitimate police deaths, as there are certainly
| scenarios where it could be justified to kill either.
| Directly comparing raw numbers doesn't say much.
| baddox wrote:
| I don't understand. Surely in the ideal world nobody would
| kill anyone else. I'm not sure that's very realistic, or
| even relevant to what we should expect from police in the
| real world.
| sheeshkebab wrote:
| It probably comes with any job that requires a gun.
| brenden2 wrote:
| This is correct, being a police officer doesn't even make the
| top 20 as far as dangerous jobs go[0].
|
| [0]: https://www.ishn.com/articles/110496-most-dangerous-
| jobs-in-...
| smnrchrds wrote:
| "In 2018, 55 law enforcement officers were feloniously killed
| and 51 were killed accidentally, for a total of 106 killed
| _[in the line of duty]_ for the year. " [1]
|
| In the same year, at least 992 people were killed by police
| [2]. I believe this only counts people shot to death. Cases
| were death was as a result of something other than shooting,
| e.g. strangling death of George Floyd, is not counted in this
| statistics. The real number would thus be higher.
|
| [1] https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2018-leoka-report-
| released-...
|
| [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/pol
| ice...
| vertex-four wrote:
| Also note that there's an official office keeping accurate
| records of how many police officers were killed, and yet
| it's up to a newspaper to even attempt to track how many
| people the police killed.
| schwartzworld wrote:
| Cops never try to protect innocent people. Their job is to
| protect capital.
| baddox wrote:
| I suspect the police already spend a large amount of resources
| tracking down instances of abuse and violence against police.
| Do you think there is a shortage of records of these events, or
| that there is a concerted effort to coverup these events?
| covingkj wrote:
| When I hear things like this it sounds the same to me as "We're
| focusing on teachers who sexually harass students. Can we make
| sure to also focus on the students that sexually harass
| teachers?" In both scenarios there is a power imbalance, even
| more so for police. Those who have power over others must be
| held to a higher standard during their work in that capacity.
| raz32dust wrote:
| I did some digging around for this info, and I think this is
| important. In 2018, 55 police officers were murdered in the
| line of duty [1]. In the same year, police officers shot 995
| people to death [2].
|
| [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2019/05/08/the-
| nu... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-
| shot-to-de...
| chrisco255 wrote:
| Yep and how many people did the murderers kill each year?
| https://www.statista.com/statistics/195331/number-of-
| murders...
|
| 16,000+ in 2018. Now run the numbers on how many murders
| there would be with no police.
| baddox wrote:
| How many instances of police stopping a murder can you
| think of?
| mlpinit wrote:
| Here's another one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/i
| nvestigations/polic...
| raz32dust wrote:
| That's actually a far better source! You should probably
| post it as a direct reply. Also love that you can break
| down the data by several dimensions
| [deleted]
| rsynnott wrote:
| Seems less relevant in that the people doing that are not
| employed or trusted by the public.
| caconym_ wrote:
| If that's an issue you care about, why don't you put in the
| effort to surface those numbers yourself? Having a dangerous
| job doesn't justify murder, so I'm not sure why you think it's
| relevant here.
| PhaedrusV wrote:
| Instead of signal-boosting rotten cops, can we signal-boost the
| ones who arrest bad cops?
| downerending wrote:
| As always, you have to ask, _compared to what_? Are the majority
| of police actions brutality, or only a miniscule fraction? This
| is _the_ crucial question, and a site like this provides no
| insight at all. (or so I imagine, since site is down)
|
| If you want to fan the flames, though, add a section for
| protesters savagely kicking unconscious victims in the head.
| rolae wrote:
| To document single incidents of brutality has value. The
| documentation of one single act of police brutality has value.
| As the police has a monopoly on the legal use of violence they
| have to be held accountable.
|
| This is like saying building a registry/counting murders has no
| value and brings no insight.
|
| And this has nothing todo with condoning violence of
| protesters, which is just as wrong as police brutality. The
| issue is, that police never seems to be held accountable for
| excessive use of force.
| wonderwonder wrote:
| Just so I understand, how are the 2 related? You seem to
| suggest that the "protesters savagely kicking unconscious
| victims in the head" are criminals. I agree, they likely are.
| By those terms then all of the police officers kicking downed
| protesters are criminals as well. Why are their fellow officers
| not arresting them on the spot?
|
| There is a very large difference between random protesters
| committing violent acts and government sanctioned organizations
| with the legal right to shoot and kill implementing a wide
| spread program of violence and brutality. If you cannot see the
| difference, then you are not looking. If an officer observes
| another officer committing a crime and does not intervene then
| that officer is corrupt. At each of these police brutality
| incidents there are often a number of officers observing and
| not intervening.
|
| When the system designed to enforce the law routinely breaks it
| without punishment then the system is broken and needs to be
| rebuilt.
| Eyas wrote:
| Is there an okay percentage of brutality by police?
|
| When a failure in the system happens, it needs to be magnified,
| studied, dissected, and the system must evolve to make sure it
| doesn't happen again. This is how we have safer nuclear plants,
| airplanes, etc. And in human systems too: coal miners and
| people on oil rigs have adopted new protocols to help their
| workers be more safe. The police is not immune. One act of
| brutality must be documented, post-mortemed, debugged, and
| mitigated.
| xmly wrote:
| What does This refer to, The website or police brutality?
| [deleted]
| zabeltech wrote:
| not saying there is no value in this initiative, just a reminder,
| that a camera always hides more than it shows - unknown unnowns
| etc...
| zabeltech wrote:
| I dont know why this gets downvoted so much. Let me elaborate:
|
| i have witnessed Police brutality first hand. Even here where
| we dont go through much of the authoritarian training americans
| are used to, i.e christian churches with heavy influence - here
| religion is merely a nostalgic thing.
|
| I know also that even here victims of Police brutality
| basically have No Chance of retaliation.
|
| That beeing said, a video that looks ugly does not necessarily
| mean the Police acted wrong.
|
| Ok i bite, Link a Video and i will come up with a story that
| atleast explains the police behaviour, If not justifies it.
| PhaedrusV wrote:
| Here you go. Video of cop shooting a guy in the back as he
| ran away, then planting a gun on him. The officer didn't know
| the event was filmed, and filed a wholly false police report
| on the subject.
|
| https://youtu.be/XKQqgVlk0NQ
| chillwaves wrote:
| Does it mean anything to you, anything at all, that you are
| willing to defend every single video accusation of police
| misconduct? What a blanket statement to make.
|
| Maybe you should check your biases.
|
| And here you go,
|
| https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/judge-
| releases...
|
| Tell me why this guy deserved to die for losing at a game of
| Simon Says.
| h3cate wrote:
| I know, I'm trying to be careful/selective about what I put on
| the site. Only clear oversteps should be shown in my opinion
| zabeltech wrote:
| Yeah that's the Problem, what is a clear overstep? Maybe the
| 'victim' was totally out of His mind before, maybe he was
| calmed down before an raged again, maybe he was loaded up
| with drugs and imposed a danger to himself/Others/the Police.
| It's not that you could judge what is a 'clear overstep' by
| the immeriate context you see in the video
| cameronbrown wrote:
| Would you be willing to also add an explanation of why you
| put each video up? This could quite easily be abused with
| selective editing.
| h3cate wrote:
| Yes I'd be happy to. I will work on that as soon as I get a
| chance but might not have the time tonight.
| exdsq wrote:
| The websites not loading, I assume because it's #1 on HN right
| now. If you want help with server costs maybe setup a fund
| me/patron?
| abbadadda wrote:
| Hug of death
| h3cate wrote:
| Nail on the head
| h3cate wrote:
| There are people I would much rather that money go to than me.
| I will upgrade the server now though
| babbledabbler wrote:
| I think the issue is that the video files are being hosted on
| the server so that greatly increases the load that's being
| consumed for each pageview.
|
| If you host the videos on something like youtube or
| dailymotion and then embed them it will take the load off
| your server. Just keep the originals in case they get taken
| down so you can switch to a different service. Hope this
| helps! Feel free to PM me if you need assistance.
|
| Some options here: https://kinsta.com/blog/video-hosting/
| abbadadda wrote:
| Good addendum (which causes to donate to) after the site is
| back up and running!
| bradhe wrote:
| If this is your site, I'm willing to help make it scale. My
| email address is in my profile.
| zeendo wrote:
| For sure. If there's any other kind of help you need, though,
| you should mention it. I'm sure there are a lot that would be
| happy to help. I think a lot of us are looking for an outlet
| for our (highly overlapping but not super widely available)
| skillset to contribute how we can.
| h3cate wrote:
| Just created a discord here: https://discord.gg/5w2nz8.
| Happy to get peoples help and expertise on there
| jorblumesea wrote:
| If you need devs please let the community know. There are
| probably a fair number of people here that would like to
| help.
| h3cate wrote:
| I've created a discord: https://discord.gg/5w2nz8. Right
| now it's making sure the server doesn't keep dropping off!
| djaque wrote:
| I have found an excellent resource [1] for data-driven policy
| that has been shown to reduce racism and abuse in police
| departments. I have written all of my local leaders who are up
| for election where they stand on each one of their ten points.
|
| All of the requests on their website seem reasonable and it was
| really illuminating doing research on my local police force and
| seeing how few of them they've enacted.
|
| [1] https://www.joincampaignzero.org/
| ltbarcly3 wrote:
| We can all rest easy, someone made a website.
| abbadadda wrote:
| So grateful for everything you have done. Please list at length
| here what gives you the right to shit on efforts of others.
| truthwhisperer wrote:
| everything because it is dangerous idea;
|
| 1) brutality. Definition? 2) are the videos edited, how to
| prevent manipulation 3) the law should judge, not a pass-by
| filmer 4) what comes around goes around
| ltbarcly3 wrote:
| What if I told you that changing the world is _hard_ , and
| you can't realistically make a difference by looking at a
| monitor, safe in your gentrified neighborhood?
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Grm4sMZChz8
| cameronbrown wrote:
| Websites are literally the most efficient way to spread
| information. I know it's fun to rag on web-based Uber for X
| startups here, but this is actually useful. A deeper criticism
| would be warranted though, because this looks something that
| could also ripe for abuse.
| fsckboy wrote:
| "rag on" is a misogynist term (you were downvoted before i
| wrote that. i did not downvote)
| pluc wrote:
| Y'all killed it
| truthwhisperer wrote:
| yes please add also a section of brutality applied to the police.
| what comes around goes around
|
| haha the police have already brutality attacked your website..
| mawise wrote:
| Police brutality is a Bad Thing. There is also much lower hanging
| fruit in terms of saving lives and improving the world. About
| 1,000 people die in the US each year through encounters with the
| police. Over 400,000 people die in Africa each year from Malaria
| and we have very effective tools for combating it[1]. Police
| brutality is a big issue but the current media attention doesn't
| make "boring" causes less important or deadly.
|
| [1]: https://www.givewell.org/charities/top-charities
| komali2 wrote:
| Otherwise known as the "but kids are starving in Africa"
| rhetorical fallacy.
| inamberclad wrote:
| There's no reason we can't work on both.
| egonschiele wrote:
| Why not both? I donate to plenty of non-US causes. I was born
| in India and love to support Indian causes. But there's
| something nice about helping an issue happening in your
| community. It feels good to be able to see it firsthand.
| bradhe wrote:
| > About 1,000 people die in the US each year through encounters
| with the police.
|
| The number of people that die is only a subset of the total
| number of victims of police brutality. Besides that, the topic
| is broader than just the number of deaths. The police represent
| the state and thus represent the escalating willingness of the
| state to abuse it's citizens.
| bb123 wrote:
| 1. Just because it isn't the largest cause of death doesn't
| mean it shouldn't be reduced.
|
| 2. There is so much more to it than just the number of people
| who have died. Entire populations live in fear of contacts with
| the police.
| millzlane wrote:
| Malaria is just not a problem in America. World hunger is an
| issue too. Doesn't make fighting to stop police brutality any
| less important.
| rsynnott wrote:
| Why stop there? Millions of people die of heart disease every
| year, so we'd better stop treating malaria until that's sorted.
|
| Society doesn't actually have to solve one problem at a time.
| And that would lead to some pretty bizarre outcomes.
| h3cate wrote:
| I 100% agree but I can do much less in terms of the fight
| against disease unfortunately
| libraryofn wrote:
| If you're actually trying to fix a problem, there are better ways
| to go about it.
|
| Why not try to build evidence to determine the reality of the
| situation? There is nothing honest or good about building a one-
| sided repository that serves only to confirm political dogma.
|
| What if a fair judgement of the evidence shows that black police
| officers treat black people no better than white police officers?
| What if white police officers treat black people better than
| black police officers on average?
|
| Of course, I'm sure someone biased enough can invent an
| explanation for any contrary evidence. But the of the situation
| might be very different from the current propaganda.
|
| Regardless of the policing data, the root cause is unarguably a
| fundamentally economic problem.
|
| Poverty is synonymous with violence. Policing is synonymous with
| violence.
|
| By turning a class problem (rich people stealing/rigging the
| system) into a racial issue (white people are bad and should feel
| bad) you're doing the bidding of the rich people that want to
| prevent revolutionary economic reform.
|
| _Edit: Flagged in 60 seconds. There is no way this comment
| violates the HN guidelines. If you disagree, just downvote, don
| 't abuse the flagging system._
| corrupt_measure wrote:
| Genuine unprovoked and unnecessary police brutality incidents are
| incredibly rare (relative to all police interactions) and hardly
| an epidemic. When someone is breaking the law and resisting
| arrest the police have no choice but to be violent with the
| resistor. Unfortunately these incidents often get categorized as
| "police brutality" when they're really just a necessary use of
| force.
|
| More broadly, the entire narrative of police brutality and
| killings of minorities is basically nonsense. When controlling
| for violent encounters with police and crimes committed, blacks
| (armed and unarmed) are actually less likely to be killed by
| police than whites.
|
| Sites like this and an irresponsible media simply exaggerate the
| issue and needlessly inflame tensions without providing proper
| and necessary context.
| theduder99 wrote:
| you go girl!
| arkadiyt wrote:
| Site seems to be down so I can't check if these are already
| submitted, but here are some:
|
| https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266917228752056320
|
| https://twitter.com/mollypshe/status/1266934680273727491
|
| https://twitter.com/chalametvol6/status/1267059474591879171
|
| https://twitter.com/mollycrabapple/status/126694270336910540...
|
| https://twitter.com/zellieimani/status/1267057207172050944
|
| https://twitter.com/stephenjadler/status/1267153715674349568
|
| https://twitter.com/rsdaza/status/1267200011659554824
| erentz wrote:
| Here are some more I've collected.
|
| Violence against citizens:
|
| https://twitter.com/stribrooks/status/1266186985041022976
|
| https://twitter.com/chieffymac11/status/1266884475268616197
|
| https://twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225
|
| https://twitter.com/KCJ_Swish/status/1266913464234237954
|
| https://twitter.com/Booker4KY/status/1266895243913367553
|
| Violence against reporters:
|
| https://twitter.com/chieffymac11/status/1266884475268616197
|
| https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/1266921035800199170
|
| https://twitter.com/MikeGeorgeCBS/status/1266919447970942986
|
| https://twitter.com/MichaelAdams317/status/12669452685676789...
|
| https://twitter.com/TinaDesireeBerg/status/12669224135911055...
|
| https://twitter.com/PLBarghouty/status/1266922618122354690
|
| https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1266910910137995264
|
| https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/1266315061209030658
|
| Police slashing tires of cars left parked in parking lots:
|
| https://twitter.com/andrewkimmel/status/1266987126467461120
|
| https://twitter.com/brandiiimariiie/status/12669756143781519...
|
| https://twitter.com/val_ebertz/status/1266975058230235137
|
| Examples of good policing:
|
| https://twitter.com/midmichigannow/status/126690773673595699...
|
| Just one for a little bit of laughter in this depressing time:
|
| https://twitter.com/alayahco/status/1266574791307399173
| nullc wrote:
| > https://twitter.com/mollypshe/status/1266934680273727491
|
| I clicked this. It contains a apparently completely baseless
| claim that a masked looter is an "undercover cop". The claim
| has been denied by the St. Paul police department.
|
| Is it your intention to discredit claims of police brutality by
| repeating apparently false ones?
| latchkey wrote:
| Ah yes, cops telling you that they didn't do it.
|
| At first I said to myself "he didn't do it, he isn't a
| cop..." and then I started to think about the source of the
| information.
|
| I'm not taking sides here. I don't know if he did it or not.
| I just like to question all sources at this point. Just
| because they say they didn't do it, doesn't mean they didn't
| do it.
| komali2 wrote:
| This just in, serial arsonist denies ever committing arson!
| jorblumesea wrote:
| Is the issue with police brutality a lack of evidence?
|
| Not trolling, legitimately asking this. It feels like every year
| some viral video comes out where police do something horrible, it
| feels like little progress has been made on the issue. Is it
| simply a visibility problem?
| h3cate wrote:
| The way I see it, a viral video pops up and there's outrage
| then two weeks later we're onto the next outrage. I am guilty
| of this myself and this is why I think it is important to
| collect this so it isn't forgotten.
| Hamuko wrote:
| > _I am guilty of this myself_
|
| Aren't you the wrong person to catalogue this stuff then?
| thundergolfer wrote:
| I think these kind of things do help. For people who consume
| the right kinds of media, there's lots of coverage of police
| brutality and I'm sure some of that coverage uses resources
| like this. If you're seeing plenty of viral videos then your
| media consumption is helping you connect with the issue.
|
| Other people rarely or never see coverage though, and aren't
| even close to having widespread understanding of the issue of
| police brutality and it's relationship with systemic racism, so
| much more reporting and media production needs to be done.
| spookybones wrote:
| More so, it is court protection. Read the verdicts of most
| police who have been tried in court.
| dvtrn wrote:
| _Is it simply a visibility problem?_
|
| Several generations of recorded American history tell us: no.
|
| Decent ethical sense tells us: absolutely, emphatically no.
|
| Nothing about this is simple.
| loceng wrote:
| I think also compiling a list of video and photos of the good
| police who are joining, supporting police - or protestors who are
| keeping police safe in certain circumstances - to counterbalance
| the abuse by reminding people of the humanity.
|
| Edit to add for examples:
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu5pqj/a_veteran_prot...
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtx9am/the_police_tak...
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtzxn3/were_stronger_...
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtu8tp/a_protester_an...
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| https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gttacf/its_not_white_...
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| https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtq55f/at_a_peaceful_...
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| https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu6rdi/police_support...
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| https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtr8un/a_conversation...
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| https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu5lrf/its_not_black_...
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| https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu6dsz/police_kneelin...
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| https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu4ptc/we_need_more_o...
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| https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtlla0/a_californian_...
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| https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtynyd/genesee_county...
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| https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtxiq5/found_this_pic...
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| https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu60jr/protestors_and...
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| https://www.reddit.com/r/UpliftingNews/comments/gtrjby/genes...
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| And some abuse..
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| https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtsbs8/like_a_boss/
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| https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtqpre/new_york_state...
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| https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu1qgy/cop_in_full_ri...
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| https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu02su/a_child_after_...
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| https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/gu10qz/law_enforcemen...
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| Compilation video -
| https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/gtvcup/share_...
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| https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu5yru/us_s...
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| https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/gtvet8/rubber_...
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| https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu2hdi/innocent_shopp...
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| https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu629x/nurs...
| tomxor wrote:
| > think also compiling a list of video and photos of the good
| police who are joining, supporting police
|
| I think this is really important in any scenario like this
| where it feels like "us vs them".
|
| Outrage shines a light, but that is merely step one. If people
| really want change they need to imagine what it feels like to
| be someone in the other "group", and remember it's not
| comprised 100% assholes. Those other non-assholes need to know
| they are supported and appreciated - knowing that makes a huge
| difference to how likely they are to police themselves and lead
| by example.
| komali2 wrote:
| This is great evidence for sending along to your local police
| chiefs and mayors. I've been harassing the shit out of my local
| leaders - look at this evidence. Those cities and towns had
| almost no rioting, no looting, no violence. All because the
| cops didn't turn up with spartan armor and kick the shit out of
| peaceful protesters.
|
| It really is that easy.
| spookybones wrote:
| Yeah, though you could also make a list of how long "good"
| police remained silent on brutality from their brothers in blue
| greggyb wrote:
| Perfect, meet good. The two of you shouldn't be enemies.
| h3cate wrote:
| I'm 100% behind this. I saw a sheriff in Flint talking to and
| marching with protestors and it warmed my heart. I will look
| into this ASAP
| loceng wrote:
| https://www.reddit.com/r/Iamactuallyverybadass/comments/gtxt.
| ..
| Animats wrote:
| This has been tried. See http://copwatch.com/
| samh wrote:
| Goodbye Western civilisation, you people are credulous and mad.
| pnako wrote:
| Oh, don't worry, the Silicon Valley nerds will be begging for
| cops the day the riots get a bit too close to them.
| h3cate wrote:
| I want to collect videos from around the world. This isn't okay
| anywhere. I am sorry it has taken me so long to act.
| numlock86 wrote:
| Cool. And who does the website with videos about brutality
| against police? This doesn't do anything but making the problem
| worse.
| h3cate wrote:
| I'd be happy to send you the code if you want to setup that
| site. This is where my moral compass lies. If you have any
| advice on how I could make sure this site doesn't enflame the
| situation and is rather used as a reminder about the lows we
| have stopped to as a species I'd be happy to integrate them
| pstuart wrote:
| Oh, I'm sure you can find that stuff elsewhere.
|
| What this does is rub our noses in the fact that the system is
| broken. Enough is enough.
| save_ferris wrote:
| If you feel that police are subjected to systemic violence and
| death based on their color or class, feel free to build one and
| share that compelling content with the world.
| nabla9 wrote:
| I would assume that police has motivation and resources to
| investigate brutality against police, and those who do it have
| less legal protection. In other words, it's taken care of.
|
| Things going the other way seems to be where the current system
| does not work.
| nonconvergent wrote:
| Tu quoque.
|
| Police already publish arrest records, mug shots, and they're
| covered by the media as well. Criminal charges are public
| records and covered by FOIA requests.
| steverb wrote:
| Had to look it up.
|
| "Tu quoque (/tju:'kwoUkwi, tu:'kwoUkweI/; Latin for "you
| also"), or the appeal to hypocrisy, is an informal fallacy
| that intends to discredit the opponent's argument by
| asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in
| accordance with its conclusion(s)." - Wikipedia
| pstuart wrote:
| > Tu quoque
|
| TIL. Thanks!
| bradknowles wrote:
| I think the police already have pretty good systems for that.
| If there is actual violence against them, then they can file
| charges against the known assailants, and have a pretty good
| chance those charges would stick.
|
| Whereas with violence done by police, even if you have the best
| video in the world proving that they murdered someone on live
| TV, those charges probably wouldn't stick. Or even be brought
| to court.
|
| There needs to be a counterbalance to their overwhelming power
| in such matters.
| theklub wrote:
| It would be cool to have a top ten worst police jurisdictions for
| brutality
| irrational wrote:
| The site seems to be down. Will it do historical abuse as well?
| h3cate wrote:
| I think traffic might of killed it. I will upgrade the server
| it's running on tonight. In answer to your question, all videos
| on there will stay there for the rest of time. We cannot let
| this happen now but we certainly can't let it be forgotten
| either.
| dvtrn wrote:
| DevOps SRE, how can I help?
| HatchedLake721 wrote:
| Static site this please!
| brundolf wrote:
| Here are some more to add:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23371048
| bitcharmer wrote:
| Have some more
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu3s6j/comm...
| h3cate wrote:
| Thank you, I will go through them later tonight.
| h3cate wrote:
| Thank you. I will go through and add tonight.
| pstuart wrote:
| Ha. I have a similar type of domain name in my shopping cart...
|
| I have another angle for this, which is we have to clearly
| identify a path where _legitimate_ policing can occur, but aims
| to end police misconduct systematically.
| h3cate wrote:
| I'm interested to hear more of your ideas around this
| jmspring wrote:
| The sad thing is, there are good jurisdictions (they may have
| their issues, but generally fair) around, yet local activists
| will use issue X in city Y as an excuse to blame their own local
| PD for some unrelated issue.
|
| This is happening in Santa Cruz right now where local homeless
| "advocates" (more about themselves) are attempting to co-opt a
| protest to blaming SCPD on perceived slights regarding homeless
| issues. This is a normal tactic for this group.
| javajosh wrote:
| It would be useful to put together a taxonomy of error modes
| that a social issue can have when it becomes famous. For
| example, accusing the victim of faking it ("crisis actors"),
| accusing protestors of overreacting ("thugs"), claiming that
| protestors have foreign elements making things worse
| ("auslander thugs"), and of course claiming that nothing
| happened to begin with, or the evidence for the claim was
| faked. No doubt this is a very long list, limited only by human
| rhetorical ingenuity.
| SpicyLemonZest wrote:
| Some claims _are_ fake, though. Your strategy for
| distinguishing between true and false claims can 't just be
| "oh I've identified that as an error mode".
| cosmodisk wrote:
| This is similar to when a large company has lots of
| divisios,where in one only nice people work,while in other they
| are all assholes. But the problem is that despite these
| differences, they all sit under the same hat.In this case, it's
| the police and one bad action resonates and makes it even more
| difficult for the good people to do the job.In recent events,it
| should have been other policemen going out and screaming "this
| is not normal,we don't work like that".
| SpicyLemonZest wrote:
| In many areas the policemen have been participating in the
| protests.
| alfiedotwtf wrote:
| Remember a few years ago it came out that Apple filed a patent to
| disable cameras in a localised area. Speculation was so that law
| enforcement could disable cameras during protests and riots. In
| the next few days/weeks, watch if people start saying that
| they're in these hot zones and their camera phones stop working
| Lariscus wrote:
| Imagine being asked by your boss to implement such a thing and
| actually doing it. How spineless and unethical would you have
| to be to even consider following such an order.
| oh_sigh wrote:
| You're assuming the speculation is the actual intent. What if
| it was something more benign, like allowing it to turn off
| cameras in a nuclear power plant or secure facilities or
| something like that.
| [deleted]
| 3wolf wrote:
| They'd probably take the Volkswagen strategy:
|
| Team A builds a feature that detects when the device is in a
| localized area. (This already exists)
|
| Team B builds a feature that disables the camera. (I could
| see this being a parental control)
|
| Both features are reasonable by themselves. It's when they
| are combined that they become an issue. The trick is that
| Teams A and B don't know of each other's existence.
| enitihas wrote:
| Someone would have to add their integrations though. The
| features won't be joined magically together.
| lisper wrote:
| If it was a choice between following the order and being out
| of a job? Not very, particularly since your sacrifice would
| almost certainly be in vain.
| mr_spothawk wrote:
| imagine being able to turn your boss over to authorities and
| trusting that you wouldn't be retaliated against.
| wolfram74 wrote:
| How would you go about implementing the feature so that it
| passes inspection but completely fails in the field? It's
| like a high stakes game of TDD-golf.
| [deleted]
| Keverw wrote:
| Wow really? Sounds like something that could be abused... But I
| know I seen some posts before talking about someone wanted to
| have a way to disable phones during concerts due to copyright
| concerns... But seems like with one things it starts out with
| one goal and then keeps getting expanded and expanded a little
| bit at a time.
| [deleted]
| shawkinaw wrote:
| You know what needs to stop? School shootings. I'm not defending
| police brutality, but this nation loses its shit for one grown
| man but shrugs when dozens of innocent children are slaughtered.
| dvtrn wrote:
| You know what needs to stop? _Both_ of them. You know what's in
| our capacity as human beings to address? _Both_ of them.
|
| Talking about one does not remove the necissities to address
| the other, and addressing the other takes nothing away from
| individuals championing reforms of the former.
| h3cate wrote:
| I completely agree with you. I'm not saying this is the only
| thing that needs to stop but it's the only thing I can have a
| slight impact on. If any politician wants to advocate gun
| control I'd be supporting it 100%
| benignslime wrote:
| hahahahahaha May you continue to go down as an accessory to
| fascism.
| CamperBob2 wrote:
| There's only so much we can do to prevent atrocities committed
| by isolated psychopaths. The only possible cure -- strict
| universal gun control -- is not part of the conversation right
| now.
|
| Can our police be trusted with all the rights, all the
| privileges, _and_ all the guns? That may be a tough sell at the
| moment.
| pstuart wrote:
| That is an issue of concern but entirely irrelevant to this
| topic.
| eloff wrote:
| Nobody shrugs. Fixing it on the other hand in the USA - good
| luck.
| nrb wrote:
| This isn't about one person. In the words of Mos Def - "Why did
| one straw break the camel's back? Here's the secret: the
| million other straws underneath it."
| nonconvergent wrote:
| False. School shootings are also protested:
| https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/opponents-protest-wake-...
| ykevinator wrote:
| the defense of police comments remind me of the defense of
| priests people.
| kul wrote:
| The Guardian tried this with "The Counted":
| https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/series/counted-us-police...
| brent_noorda wrote:
| The Counted is not necessarily police brutality as much as
| listing everyone killed by police in the US, along with a brief
| description. The Counted totally fascinates me. I like to close
| my eyes and pick some square at random and read the story
| there, which is always a brief tragedy, but not necessarily
| what I would call police brutality. Many surprises there,
| including a surprising number of cases involving machetes.
| ciarannolan wrote:
| Here's a pretty good list I've been seeing passed around Reddit
| with ~20 incidents of police brutalizing peaceful protestors in
| the last couple days:
|
| https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu3s6j/poli...
|
| The list is growing by the hour.
|
| Cops in America need to learn very quickly that their power comes
| only from the consent of the people they police, or they will be
| made to understand that fact.
| sneak wrote:
| I wish that were true, but the complete history of policing in
| America suggests that the police there exist primarily to
| protect the land and facilities of the ownership class, and
| have never had nor needed any consent of those outside of the
| gentry.
|
| The more recent history suggests that the people who wish to
| deter or educate the cops are _significantly_ outgunned, and
| the brutality will continue until such time that those trying
| to change the status quo will give up, as they stand no chance
| of victory in the physical battle this has become.
|
| See also: Hong Kong
|
| I frequently wonder if these police would be so eager for a
| fight with sticks if some fraction of the protesters were
| carrying the same rifles as their opponents. In theory, that is
| legal there, and I hope more people take the peaceful, rights-
| based approach that the Black Panthers did.
| komali2 wrote:
| Just because it's painful doesn't mean it's hopeless.
|
| Protests now, and when you get home, call, email, and write
| letters to every person that conceivably has authority over
| how the police act. Don't relent. They did arrest the
| murderer, after all.
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