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Pinetab - 10.1'' Linux Tablet with Detached Backlit Keyboard
Author : reddotX
Score : 206 points
Date : 2020-06-10 15:50 UTC (7 hours ago)
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| drcongo wrote:
| I have no idea what I'd do with one of these, but that price
| point is barely more than a Raspberry Pi 4 with a few
| accessories. I think I might buy one.
| wpietri wrote:
| Very interesting! I've been looking for cheap wall-mountable
| touchscreens so I can have permanent, single-purpose interfaces
| and displays. For example, I have a KanbanFlow board to track my
| work, and I use an old tablet mounted to the wall next to my
| standing desk.
|
| I was thinking I'd get cheap Android tablets and root them, but
| I'd much rather support something where it's built for user
| control from the beginning.
| jcun4128 wrote:
| Side thought... is it even cheaper if you just have
| displays/use an ESP to do http requests to a local server...
| guess depends what they have to do. I mean I think you would
| need a 32 to drive the display too vs. just an ESP01
| slim wrote:
| I don't think they're capable of displaying a web page
| jcun4128 wrote:
| Oh maybe I didn't read parent comment thoroughly enough I
| was talking about having a UI with defined buttons you
| click and it sends the http request.
|
| Yeah missed the Kanban part
| folmar wrote:
| Depends on the webpage, but the you can always render
| server-side
| foo2020 wrote:
| 2GB ram seems to be pretty limiting.
| julianlam wrote:
| This is interesting to me because I'm in the market for a new
| tablet.
|
| Is this more of a hacker device (IR blaster, odd assortment of
| ports, full OS, etc.) or consumer? It should ideally pass the
| wife test...
| hsitz wrote:
| It doesn't sound like this is for you. If "wife test" means the
| wife using and it and liking it, pretty sure it would fail.
| It's not what this is marketed for. An Amazon Kindle tablet
| would be more what you're looking for, if this is the price
| point you want.
| igorbark wrote:
| the mild sexism wasn't necessary
| ocdtrekkie wrote:
| Not a ton of ports, USB 2.0 Type-A and Micro-B, Micro-HDMI out,
| SD card. But there's an expansion card slot, which is pretty
| unheard of for a tablet. So you can add like an SSD or a LoRa
| radio or what-have-you.
| pengaru wrote:
| Meanwhile coming up on a month of waiting for my ubports
| pinephone to arrive... Not even a shipping update yet.
| ricecake wrote:
| Uhhh yeah they have
| https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=9942
| pengaru wrote:
| I purchased directly from their web store, not via a forum
| group buy or other means. They have my contact information,
| and I have not received a single peep to inform me on the
| status of my purchase. Just radio silence.
|
| If I'm expected to go root out some forum thread to monitor
| progress on things I purchase from the pine64 store, that's
| worth noting here to inform everyone's expectations.
| iicc wrote:
| The link (store page) is unresponsive.
|
| The webpage for the product is https://www.pine64.org/pinetab/
| dang wrote:
| It seems to be working now, just very slowly.
| axegon_ wrote:
| I am not going to lie, I'm not a big fan of the arm experience on
| Linux. While the situation has improved, it is still a painful
| experience. It has always felt like you're trying to run windows
| 7 on a pentium II, regardless of lightweight desktop environments
| or even no desktop environment. That said, this does look like a
| very appealing solution for something to shove in the backpack
| when hiking or whatnot, as opposed to carrying around a 1.5k
| ultrabook. I'll keep an eye out and wait for some review and
| real-world experiences and I might jump on that train.
| mattlondon wrote:
| If this had USB-C for charging I'd be really interested and would
| purchase. I can live with the rest of the specs.
|
| I know USB-C has a bad rep but it is honestly just amazing having
| one charger that does everything. I don't want to regress from
| that
| jjice wrote:
| Absolutely incredible for the $120 price point. If they release a
| PineTab Pro in the future with 4 (or dare I say 8GB) of ram, I'd
| be all over it. At that point, I could really start to be
| productive. 2GB is a bit limiting for the modern web
| unfortunately, but there is a ton of potential here. I'm
| considering buying one to use as my main machine for this next
| year at Uni. Taking notes in VS Code/Vim would be fine, but I
| could see some of my course load being hindered by the ram.
|
| As a portable SSH machine, a kid's first computer, or a nice
| portable machine with a screen for hobby projects, I think this
| will be fantastic.
| sylvain_kerkour wrote:
| In case where the pine64 team is reading: +1
|
| 8GB RAM, 128GB MMC, USB-C for up to 300$ and it will be the
| perfect Microsoft Surface Go's contender I'm waiting for!
| entropicdrifter wrote:
| Unfortunately that looks unlikely to happen for at least a
| couple more years because they would have to use a whole new
| chipset and PCB
| qwerty456127 wrote:
| > 128GB MMC
|
| Why MMC when there is NVMe?
| als0 wrote:
| > 2GB is a bit limiting for the modern web unfortunately
|
| This saddens me...
| terhechte wrote:
| I bought a Chuwi Surbook Mini for $300 two years ago and am
| running Linux on it: https://www.chuwi.com/product/buy/Chuwi-
| SurBook-mini.html
|
| It works reasonably well. I have touch screen driver support
| (even managed to get it working with Wayland, once, though that
| was too slow for the Atom processor), the keyboard is good, and
| the speed is o.k. The major downside is that the touchpad on
| the keyboard is terrible. They also went with a custom
| connector, not the Surface Go one, so you're stuck with a
| subpar touchpad. Since Linux is not always very touch friendly,
| it is a bit tricky to use (when no external mouse is
| available).
|
| Edit: It also has one USB-C and two USB-A and a SD Slot, which
| is quite handy for a device of such a size
| Teknoman117 wrote:
| Having only 4 GiB of non-expandable RAM is really my only
| complaint with the PineBook Pro. I bought one anyways though.
| The only other complaint would be not being upfront about the
| video encoder and decoder not being ready, but the decoder
| looks like it'll work when kernel 5.8 releases. Still though,
| it's hard to find a $200 laptop with a 1080p IPS display
| regardless, it being open source just makes it so much cooler
| in so many ways.
|
| I just wish it was easier to try out git kernels (ones with the
| prototype patches for video decode) on ARM devices. Having to
| deal with hacking up device tree files is a bit daunting. It's
| a good learning experience nonetheless.
|
| It's nice to be able to collect random patches for things and
| apply them to your kernel and pretty much being good to go on
| x86. With ARM you have to ensure you instantiated the driver in
| the device tree file which gets stuck in the boot partition
| along with the kernel .
| m463 wrote:
| I have to say though - this is not a windows or macos
| machine. Each of those operating systems run an enormous
| number of background processes (many not in your best
| interests)
|
| Meanwhile with linux your memory needs are generally modest.
| dleslie wrote:
| I would jump at buying an 8gb model.
| buckhx wrote:
| More RAM and USB-C and will 100% purchase
| noir_lord wrote:
| For me it would be a higher res screen, I'm find anything
| less than 1920x1080 at 10.1" jarring because of my
| astigmatism it gives me headaches.
| dmitrygr wrote:
| Cortex-A53 is a _very_ slow _in-order_ core. Think Pentium 1
| -level IPC. Eg: it can dispatch at most one multiplication, and
| will stall the entire pipeline for a few cycles if you try
| another one soon after. I doubt this is going to perform well
| benbojangles wrote:
| I'm thinking a portable SDR setup
| bArray wrote:
| Just purchased one, very excited. Looking forward to it arriving
| sometime in August.
|
| My use case is basic browsing, taking notes in meetings,
| reviewing papers (using something like xournal), SSH'ing into
| remote machines, a small amount of dev'ing (compiling on remote)
| and perhaps presentations (has HD output). I travel alot and
| having a machine that doesn't break my back would be cool. If the
| keyboard is half-way decent I may even use it for writing too.
|
| The reason for this device over other existing solutions are
| many: low price, built for Linux, lightweight, low-power (good
| battery), form factor (where did you go netbooks :( ) and a great
| community!
| slantyyz wrote:
| I noticed this has a removable battery, which makes this very
| interesting to me.
|
| What I'd like to know is if it will work with the battery
| compartment empty on AC power only.
|
| I'd like to have "smart" displays wall mounted around the house
| with dashboards on them. I've read about so many instances where
| people used wall mounted iPads and Android tablets where the
| batteries would swell after a period of use.
| zlalanne wrote:
| Yep, this was the first thing I thought of. Hoping to do the
| same thing.
| comboy wrote:
| I went with raspberry pi + LCD. Even though there are many LCD
| options I recommend going with their official pi touch display,
| it just works without headaches. I did use their official
| enclosure, but it doesn't really seem to be well designed for
| wall mount (some 3d printing and magnets helped).
|
| I think going with an android tablet is fine and headache free.
| I just don't like aesthetics of that solution.
| slantyyz wrote:
| > I think going with an android tablet is fine and headache
| free.
|
| The problem with many tablets is that leaving them plugged
| can cause batteries to swell, which can end up being a huge
| headache.
|
| I've heard stories of offices that used iPads as wall mounted
| displays having this problem, so I don't think any particular
| make or model is immune to this issue.
|
| I considered Pi+Monitor, but for me, something like the
| Pinetab is a cleaner, simpler solution. And at $99 without
| the keyboard, that's a pretty decent price.
| Raphael_Amiard wrote:
| > I considered Pi+Monitor, but for me, something like the
| Pinetab is a cleaner, simpler solution. And at $99 without
| the keyboard, that's a pretty decent price.
|
| Of course you should go for what is easier for you, and the
| pinetab does sound easier, however I'd argue that it is not
| cleaner.
|
| Separating the screen and main unit will allow for a more
| serviceable solution, changing either piece if it breaks,
| or upgrading the main unit if you need more power/different
| connectivity.
| zozbot234 wrote:
| > What I'd like to know is if it will work with the battery
| compartment empty on AC power only.
|
| The Pinebook _laptops_ can work without a battery while
| connected to AC, but not out of the box. A simple hardware mod
| is necessary to enable this, that 's documented by Pine.
| pinfisher wrote:
| That is unusual. I have never had a laptop that would not
| work without a battery present.
| [deleted]
| dogma1138 wrote:
| It's really not, especially for high end models if you are
| stressing your hardware and it's not an awfully thermally
| limited design you'll drain the battery even when you are
| connected to the charger.
|
| You have 60W chargers usually for systems with max power
| draw of the CPU+GPU that can reach around 200W peak and in
| the mid to high 1XXW sustained if you have a DTR/high-
| performance "mobile" CPU + dGPU.
|
| Even if your laptop comes with a 90W charger it's still a
| problem because it's not enough to power a 65W series H CPU
| and a high end GPU that draws another 80-120W.
|
| Most laptops will always use the battery directly and
| trickle charge it due to the power draw.
|
| Power(hungry)ful modern gaming/DTR style laptops can use
| both concurrently, heck older gaming laptops used to come
| with multiple power supplies that were needed simply
| because even the battery wasn't enough at the time to serve
| as a buffer, so you had to plug in 2 power adapters to
| power the laptop fully.
|
| Even without this constraint having a single power path is
| cheaper and simpler to design so most manufacturers just
| only draw from the battery and have a separate charging
| circuit that charges it without having to add power
| balancing and switching circuitry.
|
| IBM thinkpads used to advertise that you can switch the
| battery while the laptop was plugged into the charger most
| laptops of that period didn't support this either.
|
| If you go even further it was even more of a headache
| because older laptops used LiPo batteries which were even
| more finicky.
| JadeNB wrote:
| MBPs at some point switched to drawing power faster than it
| could be provided by the plug alone. Of course, you can't
| tell nowadays whether laptops will work without a battery,
| because most batteries are non-removeable.
| chipotle_coyote wrote:
| I don't _think_ I 've ever seen that behavior with a
| MacBook Pro of any vintage -- and I've had an MBP of one
| stripe or another since at least 2007, using the date of
| the 2007 MacBook Pro gathering dust bunnies nearby --
| except when I use the wrong power supply with it, e.g., a
| 13" MBP power supply with a 15" one, or my MacBook Air's
| power supply with any MBP now.
|
| I wouldn't doubt it's possible to draw more power than
| the adapter can give you if you're pushing the MBP full-
| bore, but I'm pretty sure that under normal power loads,
| this doesn't happen.
| apocalyptic0n3 wrote:
| I've run into it a few times with mine (2017 15" MVP,
| 3.1GHz Quad i7, 16GB RAM, Radeon Pro 560). I had an issue
| the other day where a virtual machine got stuck in a loop
| while testing some background jobs. Each time I tested
| it, another infinite job booted up. Eventually, I had
| like 30 of them running when I took off my headphones and
| heard the fans. Checked my battery and I was down to 65%
| despite being plugged in. I'm guessing that happened over
| the course of an hour or so.
|
| I've also had it happen a few times when running unit
| tests for a different project in Docker, but that's
| likely just because Docker for Mac makes Electron look
| resource efficient.
| krzyk wrote:
| It does, just launch any game that uses 3D (tried
| Starcraft 2 and WoW) - you will see that battery will
| drain when you have power adapter plugged in - MacBook
| Pro from (AFAIR) 2018.
| Rebelgecko wrote:
| I suspect that this is the reason why MBPs now refuse to
| boot on low battery. You used to be able to start up the
| machine when your battery was at 0% (as long as you were
| plugged in), but newer MBPs complain and don't boot up
| until you recharge to 10% or so.
| jki275 wrote:
| They just bumped the power adapter on the 2019 MBP up a
| little bit. I've seen people say that if they max all
| cores and leave it that way it will drain the battery
| even if it's plugged in. I haven't attempted that, and
| I've never seen the behavior under any other
| circumstance.
| anthonyskipper wrote:
| Try mining cryptocurrency, running prime95, playing fps
| shooters, or even dota on high settings. You will notice
| the battery draining while plugged in. You also see it if
| you are on an airplane, but that is usually because the
| charger tries to pull too much and overheats and gives up
| ghost. Macbooks have underpowered chargers.
| djrogers wrote:
| > Macbooks have underpowered chargers.
|
| My 16" shipped with a 96 watt charger, and I've not seen
| a laptop with a higher powered one. I'd have to contend
| with that assertion.
| ClumsyPilot wrote:
| Are all other laptops you've seen potato? My Dell XPS
| 15", 130 watts.
| krzyk wrote:
| I had 180W for my old HP laptop, and recently ~135W (or
| 170W) for Thinkpad W541.
|
| <100W adapters were mostly for potato laptops, until
| USB-C came into picture which supported up to 100W and
| now manfucaturers adapted (and probably wait for 200W
| PD).
| kevin_thibedeau wrote:
| Newer Dells pull 180W from a paired USB-C dock connector.
| krzyk wrote:
| Nice to see workarounds.
|
| I must say that I love that I just plug out the laptop
| power adapter and plug it into my phone (or mouse) and it
| charges. Even when it comes with lower performance of the
| laptop.
| robotnikman wrote:
| My current Dell laptop uses a 240 watt charger
| The_Colonel wrote:
| ThinkPad P73 has 230 Watt charger.
| eurg wrote:
| Lenovos etc. don't care, but I've seen this first hand with
| some Acer and Asus laptops. It has nothing to do w/peak
| power consumption, that is a wholly different problem, of a
| different class of devices.
| calvinmorrison wrote:
| some Lenovo devices do throttle though. If you do not
| have a battery and are using the 65W not 90W lenovo
| chargers on an X220, it will throttle your power.
| fencepost wrote:
| I have a couple of old ThinkPads that work but seem to
| throttle heavily, I've attributed it to need for better
| burst draw handling.
|
| Also one of their older W models that will only run on
| battery if a standard 90W power supply is connected and
| will only charge the battery if the device is off. Running
| on external power is only supported with the 135W or
| (stock) 170W PSU.
| JustSomeNobody wrote:
| Pricing Details:
|
| The PineTab - $99.99 The magnetic backlit keyboard - $19.99
|
| That's interesting. I love my iPad mini 5, but at this price I
| may have to pick one of these up.
| duxup wrote:
| Yeah for non iPad specific stuff ... just reading and streaming
| this might be way more cost effective.
| mjcohen wrote:
| Took me quite a while, but I finally got my order in.
|
| It'll come, eventually, I hope.
| SPQT wrote:
| I'd rather get second hand iPad.
| Darmody wrote:
| The point of this device is precisely being able to move away
| from iPads/Android tablets.
|
| I'm tired of not being able to uninstall Dropbox because
| Samsung doesn't want me to.
| yjftsjthsd-h wrote:
| An iPad can't do things that this does; in particular, any pine
| product gives you full control the device and the ability to
| execute arbitrary code.
| rewsiffer wrote:
| Wow, I was ready to pull the trigger on this until I saw the $30
| shipping.
| ocdtrekkie wrote:
| They don't subsidize anything here, so yeah, cost of shipping
| is really the cost to take a box from China to your house,
| pretty much. FWIW, when I got my PineBook Pro, DHL was
| literally like overnight from Hong Kong to the US. I think if
| you consider it part of the cost ($150 for tablet and keyboard
| shipped), it's still a pretty good deal.
| rewsiffer wrote:
| Yeah, good point. Maybe I am just conditioned to subsidized
| free shipping from China.
| renewiltord wrote:
| That's going to end. The UPU agreed to let the US charge
| 70% of its domestic shipping cost to foreign carriers.
| NikolaeVarius wrote:
| How is touch screen on linux these days, I'm probably pick one up
| but can't imagine running UBports on 2GB ram.
|
| I would rather use i3/lighter DE + touch screen support for some
| GUI apps?
| boogies wrote:
| Someone's set up a sort of dwm-based DE on the Pinephone:
|
| https://sr.ht/~mil/Sxmo/
| floren wrote:
| Thanks for this, this looks almost exactly like what I want
| in a Linux phone. I've found DEs like phosh far, far too
| heavy for the Pinephone.
| ipnon wrote:
| Here's a demo of UBports Ubuntu on the Pinephone:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ne6G0-hn9g
| fsflover wrote:
| A more recent demo, much smoother:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH3RbrwhNd8
| veridies wrote:
| This looks wonderful, and I bought it as soon as preorders
| opened; I'd love to have a Linux tablet to read books on and take
| to work (I'm a teacher, not a programmer). It definitely is
| pretty low-powered, though, and I'd appreciate a higher-end
| alternative. Is there _any_ Windows-based tablet that you can
| reliably and easily install Linux on?
| ddevault wrote:
| >Is there any Windows-based tablet that you can reliably and
| easily install Linux on?
|
| Samsung Series 7 Slate XE700T1A
| lasftew wrote:
| The first generation Surface Go works very well, except for the
| cameras, which are not supported.
| chrismorgan wrote:
| I suppose the keyboard needs to be attached to operate?
|
| I use a Surface Book. I've been interested to discover that I
| would quite often like to have the keyboard continue to work
| after detaching the base, because when drawing on the device a
| keyboard is still useful for switching between tools, activating
| things, typing in precise values when necessary, _& c._ To be
| sure, a large part of this is just that I'm using apps that
| haven't been optimised for keyboardless usage (I'm talking things
| like Krita, Inkscape, OpenToonz), but even if they were, a
| keyboard would still be useful. As it stands, I'd need to buy a
| second keyboard, one that worked by Bluetooth, to achieve this
| goal.
|
| (In the particular case of the Surface Book, detaching the base
| isn't _quite_ as useful as you might imagine, because 3/4 of the
| battery life is in it, so you'll get ~3h at most, <2h if using
| it much.)
| Lex-2008 wrote:
| yes, keyboard is attached via pogo pins (which actually are
| just USB), but tablet also has a "normal" USB port where you
| can just insert any plain USB keyboard.
|
| source: https://www.pine64.org/pinetab/ ("Learn More About It!"
| link at the bottom goes to forum post from 2019)
| ocdtrekkie wrote:
| It's got pogo pins, it looks likely to just be a pogo pin USB
| port down there? Pretty sure they'd mention if the keyboard was
| wireless. Honestly, I hate having a second battery to worry
| about charging: I'd much rather a keyboard just be a keyboard.
| ClumsyPilot wrote:
| I've got an old windows tablet with similar specs, old intel
| atom, 2GB ram. (linx1010b)
|
| Its gathering dust because its so underpowered, could not find a
| use for it as a GUI user device.
|
| I think some kind of kiosk / iot hub with display application
| could work, if you put in the effort.
| zozbot234 wrote:
| Newer Linux releases generally work quite well on these tablets
| as far as hardware support goes. The one thing that's
| marginally underpowered is the amount of RAM, and in my
| experience 2GB still suffices for simple use cases.
| LargoLasskhyfv wrote:
| So they wrapped some clam-shell around their SOPINE A64 COMPUTE
| MODULE?
|
| [1] https://store.pine64.org/?product=sopine-a64
|
| [2] https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php?title=PINE_A64-LTS/SOPine
|
| Looks like _Resterampe_ /left-over sale to me.
|
| Come on, 2GB? In 2020?
| ssivark wrote:
| The Pine folks have been doing fantastic work over the last
| several years. Does anyone know of ways to support them other
| than buying products? I don't really need these gadgets right
| now, and don't have the time to tinker, but want to encourage the
| ecosystem from a long-term perspective. For example, I'd love to
| give them some money and become a long-term
| member/shareholder/something. I don't really care for the rate of
| return; I'm more interested in a reason to stay engaged with the
| organization as its products might mature into my use cases, and
| help them along the way.
| xnyan wrote:
| One suggestion, buy a product for someone who could use it but
| doesn't have the resources. As a kid who loved to tinker and
| had no money this would have meant the world to me at that
| time.
| ssivark wrote:
| I know what you mean; I was in a similar situation growing
| up. One very unfortunate phenomenon among most of the kids I
| see today is that they are so swamped by "structured"
| activities that they have no time to "tinker" for the heck of
| it. They feel pressured that all their time ought to show
| returns on their resume/exams/applications/etc :-/
|
| I would love to enable a few kids and engage with them so I
| might at least vicariously get some of the fun of tinkering.
| j05h wrote:
| Was thinking the same...school donations maybe?
| Vinnl wrote:
| Many libraries also have programs for children interested
| in tech, might be good to check with a local one.
| renegading wrote:
| I think Pine sells their products at cost so that won't
| benefit them directly.
| Lex-2008 wrote:
| Store doesn't load for me right now, so I might be wrong, but
| previously on pages of some devices I saw something like this
| written in a small print: "Pine64 offers this device at this
| price as a service to the community and doesn't make any
| profit out of this". So maybe not a final device like
| pine(book/phone/tab), but one of single-board computers?
| sangnoir wrote:
| You can help them by porting, authoring or fixing bugs in
| software (apps or drivers). This is one of the reasons they are
| providing devices at cost to the FLOSS community, and you can
| support them that way if you are so inclined.
| Maha-pudma wrote:
| Is that a 30 day warranty? No thanks.
| jagger27 wrote:
| The dead pixel disclaimer bothers me too, but at this price
| point you really can't argue.
| fenwick67 wrote:
| Even most middle-road laptops, monitors and phones have these
| disclaimers in the warranties AFAIK.
| michaelmrose wrote:
| This amazes me. You could literally spend 2 grand on a
| machine and still be told its ok for it to be defective out
| of the box.
| renewiltord wrote:
| Well, if it's a high-res display then there's a lot more
| pixels so a greater chance of failure.
|
| I actually really like this system and wish that I could
| trade-off further down the spectrum on quality. After
| all, to get a zero-dead-pixel device you just have to
| check in the second-hand market like people do for high-
| binned CPUs. The volume of true demand for those CPUs is
| high enough that there are retailers like Silicon Lottery
| that explicitly look out for that.
|
| It turns out that most consumers don't really want a
| zero-dead-pixel guarantee though.
| michaelmrose wrote:
| Most failures either happen shortly because something was made
| poorly or after >1 year which is why extended warranties are
| mostly garbage.
|
| Just for the sake of argument lets suppose it had a 1% chance
| of failing between 30 days and 1 year even though I would hope
| it is far less when it would normally have been covered. Assume
| you remedy the issue by replacing it out of pocket.
|
| Expected cost is 0.99 * 100 + 0.01 * 200 = $101
|
| Also keep in mind that brands pay for warranty services out of
| profits earned from higher margin sectors and volume neither of
| which is applicable here.
| Maha-pudma wrote:
| I didn't expect my comment to be popular, and it's probably
| going to decimate the measley 7 points I've accrued (I had 9
| prior) as might this one, but I tend not to buy anything
| without a decent warranty. I'm certainly not buying anything
| that could go wrong after 30 days without any recourse other
| than paying to get it fixed or to buy a new one. My view
| about warranties are to do with the confidence the
| seller/manufacturer has in their product, this one doesn't
| endear my confidence in the product. Just my opinion but I
| keep holo of my electronics as long as I can. Still using a
| phone bought 4 years ago, laptop 8 years ago and a desktop I
| built 10 years ago.
| michaelmrose wrote:
| Complaining about down votes usually attracts you guessed
| it... more down votes.
|
| I didn't down vote either your prior post or this one. I
| value durable things. My 8ish year old desktop just died.
| Both my phone and my laptop are 5 years old. On the other
| hand I see the value in cheap things that will be
| affordable to all made by small distributors that value our
| freedom to use our devices. Everything in life is some
| degree of trade off and I see room for this one.
| Maha-pudma wrote:
| Im not complaining, I'm expecting it; and I'm not fussed
| either, I don't care about internet points. Down vote
| away it bothers me not.
| TomMarius wrote:
| Not all devices are supposed to be that good. This is a
| hacker grade toy device, not something you should depend on
| - after all, the price reflects that.
| Maha-pudma wrote:
| True as that may be it's just as true I won't be buying
| this. If there's one thing guaranteed to annoy me it's
| flakey hardware.
| Sir_Substance wrote:
| I've been waiting for this to come out. Unfortunately, I tried to
| buy the pinetime late last year and discovered they only sell
| through paypal and you need an account to make the payment, you
| can't just pay by credit card.
|
| If there's anyone from pine watching: Please, add a normal credit
| card option. Paypal is a horrid company. I'm prepared to pay
| directly with a credit card via them, but I _will not_ make an
| account with them just to buy your stuff. Please let me give you
| money without making a legal agreement with a third party :(
| rossvor wrote:
| You don't need a paypal account to pay by credit card via
| paypal. Select "Pay by Debit or Credit Card" when it asks you
| to login to paypal.
| awinter-py wrote:
| would love to know what the model is that lets these penetrate
| the mass market
|
| I buy mine because I'll jump through any hoop to not carry around
| a fortune 500 in my pocket
|
| For the consumer market -- runnability of android? hardware
| quality? low price? Some compatibility factor that only an open
| company can hit?
| gorgoiler wrote:
| The further I get with computers the less I need. I've been
| teaching computer graphics using a 160 x 48 pixel display
| rendering Unicode Braille dots. It's absolutely enough for:
|
| - random colored text
|
| - line drawing fun
|
| - circles
|
| - z buffers
|
| - convex hulls
|
| - ray tracing spheres
|
| (Checkerboards are too noisy though, and no Newell teapots. Alas,
| if only my browser supported PBM, the graphics format of
| winners.)
|
| So yeah, bring it on! Doing more with less feels like a journey
| worth traveling. I want one!
| pathartl wrote:
| I love what Pine is trying to do, but man those A53 CPUs and
| Mali-400 GPUs are really pretty crummy. Similarly spec'd
| Allwinner chips were on the PlayStation Classic and Nintendo
| Classic microconsoles.
| SahAssar wrote:
| Those were running emulators though, running native software
| will be more efficient.
| ocdtrekkie wrote:
| I bought one. The USB configuration sounds a bit sad. USB 2.0
| Type-A and Micro-B is a very dated configuration, especially
| considering the PinePhone has a USB-C. But I am interested in
| seeing how the ecosystem comes together and the price is
| absolutely right for this thing.
| boogies wrote:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii6lAjgfW3c
|
| If this functionality was demoed by Apple on a new $999 "MacPad
| Pro" there would be arguments over if it was the end of the PC
| and the beginning of the next generation of computing, a leap
| like the smartphone revolution.
|
| Edits: price, s/this/this functionality/
|
| I took this out of context (sorry), it's a very pre-production
| device that has received a lot of work since then and will
| receive much more. https://www.pine64.org/2020/05/15/may-update-
| pinetab-pre-ord...
| deergomoo wrote:
| Are we watching the same video? This is basically no different
| to what you get on any Windows convertible (though the tablet-
| mode interactions are closer to the iPad), except way, way
| jankier.
| chrismorgan wrote:
| Nah, that's _way_ higher latency than my Surface Book (which
| is a much more powerful machine, but is also driving a
| 3000x2000 display) gets. That video is at 25fps, and exhibits
| latencies of 7-8 frames (~300ms) on scrolling a web page, and
| 9-12 frames (~400ms) on resizing windows. I can't measure
| latency accurately on my device at present, but I estimate
| that I'm getting around 50ms of latency in both of those
| scenarios.
|
| (Oh, I guess you were talking about the functionality, not
| the latency. Ah well, I'll leave this comment up anyway.)
| KuiN wrote:
| It's really cool, but my main takeaway from that video was
| multi-second input lag and you can see several times when he's
| dragging things around the computer doesn't do what he's
| expecting. It's a cool tech demo but I don't see how it's going
| to change the world like that.
| boogies wrote:
| Agreed. I think Apple would have made a device with maybe 4
| times the specs (eg. 8 Gb RAM instead of 2) and ten times the
| price (edited the parent to reflect that) and kept it top
| secret until right before release. There's still hope that
| this will eventually be polished to perfection, but it will
| probably take years of revisions.
| djrogers wrote:
| Uhh, that looks... Horrible. And I say that as someone typing
| this on a keyboard attached tablet right now - I love keyboard
| attached tablets, but that looks janky and laggy as heck.
|
| Apple would be KILLED if they released anything with that much
| touch lag.
| embrassingstuff wrote:
| Which tablet/keyboard combination are you happiest with ?
|
| I really want something that I hold on my lap for some
| emails.
|
| Most models have that back supporting leg which is for table
| use only.
| Lex-2008 wrote:
| not OP, but I obtained a Logitech K480 bluetooth keyboard
| and planning to use it together with PineTab
| zozbot234 wrote:
| Meh, I don't know. It looks clunky in lots of ways, the GNOME3
| UX feels a lot cleaner and more intuitive. Hopefully future
| GNOME versions will be able to run usefully on 2GB RAM. Or
| perhaps MATE and Xfce will adopt some of the same touch-
| friendly interaction principles.
| tvb12 wrote:
| Wow, Pine64 has a really beautiful logo.
| jareds wrote:
| Does anyone know if there custom OS has a screen reader? I'm
| totally blind and this is priced at the point where I'd like to
| play with it assuming it's usable for me.
| coolspot wrote:
| I would love to give you a definite answer, but only way to
| know for sure is to test yourself. PineTab can run any ARM OS,
| so you can install one that you have positive experience with.
|
| These OSes are touch-optimized and recommended:
|
| UBPorts (community-driven Ubuntu Touch)
|
| postmarketOS
|
| Arch Linux ARM
|
| I know that desktop Ubuntu has screen reader (Orca) installed
| by default. No sure about Ubuntu Touch. My Google-fu shows very
| outdated answers.
| folmar wrote:
| You should be able to run a standard Ubuntu if you don't aim
| for touch-driven interaction; @jareds - do you?
| jandrese wrote:
| They are serious about not making profit with these. $100 for a
| full up tablet and it includes the keyboard/touchpad?
|
| 2GB of RAM is pretty limiting but 64GB of storage is quite
| respectable at this price point. The 6AH battery pack is quite
| beefy too.
| calvinmorrison wrote:
| "When fulfilling the purchase, please bear in mind that we are
| offering the PineTab at this price as a community service to
| PINE64 communities. If you think that a minor dissatisfaction,
| such as a dead pixel, will prompt you to file a PayPal dispute
| then please do not purchase the PineTab. Thank you."
|
| no or low amounts of QA significantly reduce cost
| greenshackle2 wrote:
| With regards to dead pixels, every vendor I know of has terms
| like this, it's just hidden in the warranty small print, not
| on the store page:
|
| https://support.lenovo.com/ca/en/solutions/ht035306
|
| https://appleinsider.com/articles/10/11/05/leaked_apple_dead.
| ..
| squarefoot wrote:
| I wonder what are the odds of finding dead pixels today. I
| saw lots of them in the past, and in a few cases they were
| really nasty to stand (imagine a pixel stuck at full
| brightness in the center of a screen mostly containing dark
| terminals) , but admittedly in the last 10 years or so I
| can't remember of a single one. However, although all
| vendors bury the dead pixel disclaimer, being so open about
| it makes one wonder if their quality checks are cheaper
| than others. I would happily pay more to be 100% sure there
| are no dead pixels btw.
| goda90 wrote:
| They do have some QA. My Pinebook Pro is in good shape
| hardware wise. Arstechnica reported that because of the
| pandemic their QA has been terrible lately(switched
| factories, not able to come onsite for QA training and such).
| mahesh_rm wrote:
| Does it run vscode?
| Johnnynator wrote:
| Sure it does, the question is only how good the experience is
| on such a low power device.
| 11c1d5c57446 wrote:
| Does it run emacs?
| neonate wrote:
| https://archive.vn/Lm8EA
| zachberger wrote:
| I get certificate invalid here..
| fenwick67 wrote:
| Invalid cert, and then after temporarily allowing, I get a
| 403.
| dredmorbius wrote:
| Try:
|
| https://archive.today/Lm8EA
|
| https://archive.is/Lm8EA
|
| https://archive.fo/Lm8EA
|
| https://archive.li/Lm8EA
|
| https://archive.vn/Lm8EA
|
| https://archive.md/Lm8EA
|
| https://archive.ph/Lm8EA
|
| One typically works.
|
| List: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.today
|
| Cloudflare is in a grudge match with archive.today:
|
| https://community.cloudflare.com/t/archive-is-
| error-1001/182...
| tomxor wrote:
| All invalid certs/403, even google webcache is 404ing, how
| elusive...
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