[HN Gopher] Wil Shipley: Every year I fill out this survey from ...
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Wil Shipley: Every year I fill out this survey from Apple, for
Apple developers
Author : twapi
Score : 67 points
Date : 2020-06-12 21:47 UTC (1 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (medianatives.blogspot.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (medianatives.blogspot.com)
| CapriciousCptl wrote:
| All these great things that would reduce Apple's profits. I'm not
| even sure it's too unfair since developers know the state of
| things going in. It can also get a bit worse since so many
| developers continue to put out high quality apps despite it all.
| saagarjha wrote:
| The survey was great, because it hits basically everything that
| developers hate about Apple:
|
| * Search Ads
|
| * Documentation
|
| * App Store Review Guidelines
|
| * Codesigning
|
| * Apple Developer Forums
|
| * App Store Review
|
| The only thing missing is bug reporting, and I stuck my response
| for that in it anyways when they asked what was wrong with their
| developer tools ("Respond to our feedback!"). Sadly, I think the
| results of this survey are anonymized so thoroughly that they
| disappear entirely before anyone at Apple can get to look at
| them.
|
| (Supposedly the forums are getting revamped in a week for WWDC. I
| don't have very high hopes, sadly, but I'd love to be pleasantly
| surprised.)
| cglong wrote:
| The original source is here:
| https://twitter.com/wilshipley/status/1271185023744397312
| howon92 wrote:
| Interesting points. I disagree with one of the points that argues
| Apple should favor the "real apps," which I assume refer to
| native iOS apps. Users don't care what stack developers use as
| long as the product does its job and developers for sure want to
| reach as many users as possible regardless of what platform they
| are on. Also, companies with more resources will be better
| positioned than indie developers to make native apps for multiple
| platforms, so it wouldn't benefit the author too. So who really
| benefits from this?
| etaioinshrdlu wrote:
| One nit to pick, Slack on iOS is apparently fully native:
| https://twitter.com/SlackHQ/status/931599784137363459
|
| I think this shows, in my opinion, how little native vs.
| web/electron actually matters to overall quality. You can
| generally make a smooth, fast, bug-free app on any platform. Or
| not...
|
| I used to use the Android version and I was never quite sure
| whether it was native or not. I couldn't think of a way to tell.
| davidajackson wrote:
| >Lower the cut you take from 30% to 20%
|
| I agree with this. I think there are probably a lot of app ideas
| where the margin is small enough that 30% probably prevents them
| from even being started.
|
| Also fix app review. It's so arbitrary, it's like playing a game
| of darts.
| fossuser wrote:
| Even as just an app store user I find the ads for competitors
| extremely obnoxious.
|
| Search "Overcast" -> top ad is some crappy competitor (not even a
| good real competitor, but usually some sort of near-scam).
|
| It makes me think less of the competitor and Apple every time I
| see it, it also seems completely unnecessary. I obviously want
| the app I searched for. It seems like a feature entirely designed
| to trick old people.
|
| The other suggestions are also really good, I'd love to be able
| to pay for big updates (though I personally don't really mind
| subscriptions for apps I regularly use).
|
| I'm also not sure the web apps are really competition, when
| something isn't native I tend to think it sucks and choose
| something else if possible.
| kortilla wrote:
| > I'm also not sure the web apps are really competition, when
| something isn't native I tend to think it sucks and choose
| something else if possible.
|
| Coming from the android world there is a very high bar for a
| native app for me. I tend to assume the app is garbage if it
| could have been done just as easily as a web app.
| qppo wrote:
| This bothers me on all search.
|
| Search for <model> <year> of any product on google, 50/50 shot
| its a different company's item in the first (few) places.
|
| Search bribes are user hostile but developer necessary it
| seems.
| intopieces wrote:
| Apple should wind down their ads system (iAd) entirely.
| Advertisements are antithetical to what Apple stands for -
| privacy, premium experience, doing the right thing for users.
| They should lower their cut to 10% (not to 20, as the article
| states) and start offering curated experience bundles like they
| do with AppleTV.
| saagarjha wrote:
| iAd is dead. These are search ads.
| sixothree wrote:
| I'm sick of this. I'm so, so sick of this. I swear every time
| this happens, I think "oh, there is no app by that name" and
| then I have to double check make sure I really used the right
| search term and that the result is actually a first party app.
|
| If I were searching for a genre such as "podcast" or "camera"
| app, I understand seeing paid ads. But when I search for a
| specific name, I see absolutely no reason whatsoever there
| should be an ad above my results.
|
| There has to be a better way.
| lancewiggs wrote:
| A great list.
|
| Also: Capping in-app payments (I'm targeting games here) at a
| certain multiple of cost price, or a fixed amount for free apps,
| would fix the absurd gaming mechanisms aimed only at extracting
| more money rather than great gameplay.
| mod50ack wrote:
| It's a bit sad. I feel like mobile gaming is in large part dead
| because of these stupid pay-to-play games. Back in the early
| days of the iPhone, even the iPhone games were one-time $2
| games (and good for that!), while you had the DS where games
| were $20+ (often more). Now mobile games of quality are mostly
| dead.
| fossuser wrote:
| Apple Arcade was supposed to fix that - it'd be interesting
| to read a blog post from a developer in that ecosystem to see
| if it's actually working.
| unix_fan wrote:
| unfortunately, the market isn't willing to pay for high-
| quality games.
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