[HN Gopher] Cameo's CEO on how he plans to disrupt Hollywood
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       Cameo's CEO on how he plans to disrupt Hollywood
        
       Author : ericzass
       Score  : 43 points
       Date   : 2020-06-22 18:18 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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       | ineedasername wrote:
       | The venn diagram of contract workers is not a perfect overlap
       | with "gig" work. Just because you're self-employed, selling your
       | services to others on a contract basis, doesn't make that gig
       | work.
        
         | TallGuyShort wrote:
         | Other than the fact that celebrities have more unique value
         | (however superficial or subjective) to bring than a typical gig
         | worker brings to say, Uber, what else do you think defines gig
         | work?
        
         | notatoad wrote:
         | >Just because you're self-employed, selling your services to
         | others on a contract basis, doesn't make that gig work.
         | 
         | doesn't it? as far as i can tell, the only distinction between
         | "gig economy" and contract workers is that contract workers
         | actually get paid at rates that make it sustainable and that
         | being between contracts isn't a catastrophe, whereas jobs
         | classed as "gig economy" pay low enough to keep the workers
         | desperate for the next gig.
        
           | eswat wrote:
           | Most gig work is done through middlemen/platforms where only
           | some contract work like that exists and typically for longer
           | engagements (ie: through agencies and temp staffing).
           | 
           | Contractors also have more flexibility to develop a
           | relationship with the "client" for better opportunties down
           | the road without the middleman/platform interfering.
        
           | walshemj wrote:
           | The modern use of "gig" economy is mostly a tax dodge and
           | avoiding classifying them as employees.
           | 
           | That's quite different to say a session musician getting the
           | call can you by at Abby Road tomorrow at 9 "big name star"
           | needs a guitar player.
           | 
           | Gig in the original sense originally a musicians term for a
           | Job
        
       | daenz wrote:
       | In my mind, the prices that celebrities can be bought and paid to
       | say anything really casts doubt on whatever other social causes
       | they claim to have.
        
         | Jarwain wrote:
         | I'd think that they'd be able to reject a request that they
         | aren't interested in or would have them go against their
         | values.
        
       | sharkweek wrote:
       | Cameo is one of THE WEIRDEST service I've ever seen, but it
       | shouldn't surprise me at all that it exists I guess.
       | 
       | Looking through the list and seeing that I can get the To Catch A
       | Predator guy to say almost whatever I want for $50, Diamond
       | Dallas Page for $85, The Mooch for $50... it's unbelievable.
       | 
       | The service practically markets itself too, as the more people
       | that share the videos they buy, the more it'll spread. No idea
       | what the end game is here, but it feels like something right out
       | of a dystopian sci-fi novel.
        
         | haram_masala wrote:
         | Those rates seem really low, for some reason. Anthony
         | Scaramucci, who was a big-time trader at GS and then started
         | his own fund, will record one of those messages for fifty
         | bucks? I don't get it. And just being on this platforms seems
         | to put a specific dollar figure on one's dignity.
        
           | ponker wrote:
           | For "The Mooch" it's probably an addiction to attention
           | that's driving his Cameo participation.
        
             | psds2 wrote:
             | He could also just be getting paid $200 for his $50 cameo.
             | Why would this be any different than the other VC
             | subsidized consumer focused services?
        
               | haram_masala wrote:
               | I hadn't thought of that, you could be exactly right. In
               | fact that should be the default assumption.
        
           | sct202 wrote:
           | Some of these lower tier celebrities like interacting with
           | fans, like a lot of celebrities aren't that popular or rich
           | enough to have people manage their social media for them and
           | are the ones actually interacting with online fans... or
           | critics.
        
           | mjburgess wrote:
           | Think about how many clips they can do in an hour. At say, <
           | 5min/clip you can maybe do 10/hr.
           | 
           | Have a few hours on a morning/evening spare? Easily a few
           | $1000
        
             | notahacker wrote:
             | But would Scaramucci notice the extra $500 from devoting an
             | hour to reading scripts? I doubt he gets an enormous number
             | of requests anyway. If it's an ego thing, surely that's
             | cancelled out by the amount people are actually willing to
             | pay for his greetings being substantially less than the
             | cheapest Pro voiceover actors on Fiverr.
             | 
             | Might make a lot more sense for the sort of artists that
             | get a lot more TV/radio/YouTube exposure than actual
             | income, but even some of them might wonder if they're
             | devaluing their ability to charge much bigger bucks for
             | endorsements and ads
        
         | mjburgess wrote:
         | I suspect it says something about the somewhat dystopian lives
         | celebrities often lead.
        
         | AndrewKemendo wrote:
         | For me Cameo, more than any of the celebrity zoom calls,
         | twitter sing alongs etc... has busted the bubble of celebrity.
         | 
         | For better or worse, society forces celebrities to live in this
         | superposition of untouchable and relatable. Cameo kills the
         | untouchable part because it's putting a price on their time -
         | which to the layperson like me _feels_ invaluable - even if we
         | know that there is certainly a dollar figure to it.
         | 
         | $30 per second [0] is unreal money for anyone - If the numbers
         | are right Hasselhof has made $11,000 for doing 51, 30 second
         | videos. So it's certainly a benefit from each side, obviously!
         | At that rate he could work ~30 minutes per day during the work
         | week (2 videos per day, a couple of tries, login and upload)
         | take a full month off a year and still make $140k.
         | 
         | I think for me it comes down to the realization: "I can't
         | believe these huge celebrities have time for this" - but it
         | could just be an artifact of quarantine.
         | 
         | [0]: https://www.cameo.com/davidhasselhoff
        
           | luckydata wrote:
           | Money is a bonus but the part a big time celebrity cares
           | about is getting their face out there and look like they are
           | relatable and nice people. Helps when they have a new
           | project.
        
             | AndrewKemendo wrote:
             | That's exactly my point though. For me personally, the more
             | relatable celebrities are, the less they are able to create
             | the distance and mystique that is in my opinion the
             | foundation of what celebrity is.
             | 
             | I think most people want to continue to be able to pretend
             | that their favorite celeb doesn't have bad breath in the
             | morning, binge watches bad TV or leaves their dirty towel
             | on the floor in the bathroom.
        
               | TigeriusKirk wrote:
               | And then they see the celeb's tweets.
        
               | vikramkr wrote:
               | I think the opposite. It's all about that authenticity
               | now. Look - they're vlogging! They're just like me! Or
               | whatever.
        
         | machinehermit wrote:
         | To Catch A Predator guy saying almost anything for $50 sounds
         | like the greatest service ever.
        
         | boxfire wrote:
         | I think it would be pretty interesting to scrape the site for
         | celeb prices over time and analyze them. At the least it would
         | be a hilarious stock ticker to put in a waiting area or
         | restroom
        
         | ChainOfFools wrote:
         | it's just a form of signed memorabilia for the virtual property
         | age. Like getting a CD cover or photo signed with a greeting.
        
       | hckr_news wrote:
       | My friend's brother-in-law used this service a couple months ago
       | for his engagement and wedding, and had a celebrity basically
       | wish them congratulations on the wedding and even mentioned the
       | couple by name (I think you just give them a script of what to
       | say, and they'll record themselves doing it). The cool and maybe
       | the natural part of it was that it didn't look scripted. The
       | celeb record themself on their own phone I believe, and sent it
       | in the form of a video message. Something like Facebook live.
       | When I saw the video message, it seemed very natural. I suppose
       | for your friends who don't know of this service, it'll make it
       | seem like you're on personal terms with a celeb and you received
       | a video from your "celeb friend" saying congrats. I definitely
       | see a market for this service as it reaches the masses and grows.
       | 
       | Birthdays, weddings, anniversary milestones, bar mitvahs, high
       | school graduation. Imagine Lebron wishing your kid happy
       | birthday. And all You had to do was pay $5000 and send a script
       | for a 15-second video.
        
         | pbhjpbhj wrote:
         | What's the root cause of this pathological behaviour.
         | 
         | Why is it impressive, to a large proportion of the population,
         | rather than just sad and wasteful (as it appears to me).
         | 
         | I mean I get that it's an [fake] indicator of social
         | associations that could have high value, it's more why is that
         | impressive as opposed to people actually acquiring value. Like
         | a "demonstration of ability to pay" but with social credit.
         | 
         | This seems like the social equivalent of when a brand becomes
         | well known for having high-quality goods -- they then put their
         | logo on lots-and-lots of super-low quality goods that people
         | then buy to pretend they have high-quality goods.
         | 
         | It all makes no sense to me.
         | 
         | Is it something about audio-visual media that we can't use it
         | for entertainment without our brains inadvertently treating
         | characters as part of our social circles; then we fail at
         | recognising actors as not being their characters; ...?
         | 
         | Is everyone insane or is there something I'm missing.
        
           | eyerony wrote:
           | > Is everyone insane or is there something I'm missing.
           | 
           | Difference in taste based on class-related norms & values,
           | mostly, is what I'd say you're missing. Can make a thing
           | really impressive/desirable to one group of people, and
           | simultaneously gauche/disgusting to another.
        
           | chrisseaton wrote:
           | > Is everyone insane or is there something I'm missing.
           | 
           | Different people have different tastes. Relax and let them
           | enjoy what they enjoy.
        
           | aabeshou wrote:
           | > Is everyone insane or is there something I'm missing.
           | 
           | in a sense, much of the world is insane because they pursue
           | narcissistic types of social status.
           | 
           | but I also do think this is just fun - putting aside the idea
           | of getting a cameo as a status symbol, it's just fun to get a
           | message from some public figure whose work you admire.
        
             | _curious_ wrote:
             | Status symbol? Maybe for highschoolers, but if someone
             | showed me this IRL, as an adult, and actually paid real
             | money for such platitudes I would question their maturity
             | level. What an exploitative model.
        
               | aabeshou wrote:
               | yeah I would feel sad for someone who's not rich who paid
               | thousands for a shoutout from someone
        
               | ummonk wrote:
               | It's nowhere near thousands. It's usually like a hundred
               | bucks. E.g. I've had friends do one from Chris Hansen as
               | a joke for a large age-gap couple in our group, for the
               | cost of $50.
        
               | aabeshou wrote:
               | thats genuinely hilarious, money well spent
        
           | smt88 wrote:
           | > _Is everyone insane or is there something I 'm missing._
           | 
           | You're missing something. They're not insane, and neither are
           | you.
           | 
           | Imagine you've loved a certain musician your entire life and
           | you could pay them to sing a song with your name in it.
           | 
           | Or, imagine you and your spouse saw a certain movie on your
           | first date, and you think it would be funny and thoughtful to
           | have one of the actors (or characters) from that movie wish
           | your spouse a happy birthday.
           | 
           | Or, imagine you have followed a sports team for years and
           | have the opportunity to talk to one of the stars.
           | 
           | There is nothing strange or new about celebrity. Touching
           | fame is interesting and exciting to people. There are
           | celebrities who are genuinely meaningful to people -- maybe
           | their work helped get through a tough time.
           | 
           | You don't have to understand it, but it's not hurting anyone,
           | so there's nothing insane about it. It's just a form of
           | personalized entertainment.
        
             | haram_masala wrote:
             | Just about the very last thing I would do to a musician
             | whom I admire would be to debase them like that.
        
               | pedalpete wrote:
               | I feel like this is the point that gets missed. For these
               | people that are famous for a skill or craft, Cameo turns
               | them into an Organ Grinder Monkey. Obviously if the celeb
               | is doing it, nobody is forcing them, but the whole thing
               | just feels so cheap and degrading.
               | 
               | Who ever would have thought you'd say "I'll pay you $500
               | to wish me a happy birthday"
        
               | hammock wrote:
               | All of these celebrities regularly take appearance fees
               | to show up at nightclubs, bar mitzvahs, birthday parties,
               | etc. It's extremely common. You don't hear about most of
               | them because they're private events.
        
               | slg wrote:
               | Why do you consider this any more degrading than any
               | other form of patronage? Why is paying a musician to wish
               | someone happy birthday somehow more shameful than
               | demanding they sing and dance for me when I show up to
               | their concert? In both cases, the artist gets the funds
               | to keep making their art and the audience gets to
               | continue enjoying that art.
        
               | smt88 wrote:
               | > _but the whole thing just feels so cheap and degrading_
               | 
               | What do you propose as an alternative?
               | 
               | These are mostly people who aren't getting work anymore.
               | What dignified career do you imagine for them, when there
               | are a million younger, cheaper entertainers to take their
               | place?
               | 
               | It would be great if they all had college degrees and the
               | ability to be hired in a stable white-collar job, but
               | that's rarely an option after a life in entertainment.
        
               | majormajor wrote:
               | Orrrrrr they realize it's just another way to entertain
               | people and make them happy. Same thing as their regular
               | job, but now with an extra level of personal-ness.
        
           | AndrewKemendo wrote:
           | Humans are wired for reinforcing social hierarchies by
           | proximity and repetition - to confer "status" via all sorts
           | of methods which may or may not be grounded in anything
           | "tangible" to health, longevity or knowledge.
           | 
           | Media and Celebrity in general hack this system for profit.
           | 
           | The root cause of all pathological behavior is your brain.
           | 
           | [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2430590/
        
           | GaryNumanVevo wrote:
           | Personalization of consumption is the final frontier for
           | consumerist capitalist culture.
        
           | RobRivera wrote:
           | No one is insane for having different views and priorities
        
             | pbhjpbhj wrote:
             | If someone had a cardboard cutout of a piece of amazing new
             | tech, that they were pretending was the real thing, would
             | you think "ooh, nice supercomputer" (or whatever), or would
             | you think "that's a bit insane"?
             | 
             | I think convincing yourself a picture of a fridge full of
             | food is as good as an actual fridge full of food is
             | objectively a mental problem - and that this is somewhat an
             | analogue of that.
        
             | new2628 wrote:
             | Really, no one? that's a bold claim.
        
           | balls187 wrote:
           | > Why is it impressive, to a large proportion of the
           | population, rather than just sad and wasteful (as it appears
           | to me).
           | 
           | Don't underestimate the power of nostalgia on humans, which
           | triggers the release of endorphins which targets the pleasure
           | center of the brain.
           | 
           | There are so many dimensions a service like this can be used
           | in powerful (and postive) ways.
           | 
           | My father turns 73 next week how great would it be for me to
           | send him a personalized recording of song from a famous Tamil
           | musician? That would be $50 better spent than the $50
           | wireless food thermometer I got him instead.
           | 
           | Or for my soon to be 5 year old son, have one of the voice
           | actors from his favorite tv shows, record him a personalized
           | birthday greeting? Better than $50 worth of toys that he will
           | forget about in a years time.
        
           | waterbadger wrote:
           | If you Google "parasocial relationships" you might find some
           | interesting content.
        
             | izzydata wrote:
             | I've brought this term up a handful of times before, but
             | nobody I know personally feels the same way I do about
             | this. I find this kind of thing incredibly strange, but it
             | is just the norm for so many people.
             | 
             | Celebrity culture just makes no sense to me. They were in a
             | movie and are now rich so now I have to care what they have
             | for breakfast? It just seems so backward.
        
           | akiselev wrote:
           | I wouldn't pay $5,000 for a celebrity message but I paid $50
           | for an actor who played a minor Game of Thrones character for
           | a birthday message for my dad (a GoT fan) that will be
           | delivered along with a 3D printed brass polished Hand of the
           | King pin. It's just a really fun way to create a personalized
           | gift for someone close to me, which is important because I
           | have a really hard time coming up with meaningful gifts -
           | it's usually just easier to throw money at it, and the
           | personalized celebrity message is more meaningful with the
           | same amount of effort.
           | 
           | The specific service I used sends the money to the charity of
           | the celebrity's choice (which they display before you buy)
           | and no one will see the message except my family. I think the
           | wedding example is just a little more public than how people
           | normally use these things. This is the first time I've heard
           | of them charging four figures but no surprise.
        
             | Icathian wrote:
             | Would you mind naming the service you use? I struggle to
             | think of good gifts in the post-stuff era and that sounds
             | like a nice one to add to my toolbox.
        
           | willcipriano wrote:
           | Another use case, for my daughters first birthday I had a
           | Elmo impersonator (this guy was spot on, you could not tell
           | the difference) make a video with a puppet for her. It was a
           | private thing we shared together not something I publicly
           | shared but her face lit up when "Elmo" said her name and
           | wished her a happy birthday. It's weird to do this for
           | yourself, however it makes a thoughtful gift under the right
           | conditions.
        
           | packetslave wrote:
           | An anecdote: a good friend of mine just found out she's
           | pregnant with her first child. She's a _huge_ Harry Potter
           | fan, and her favorite characters are the Weasley Twins.
           | 
           | For not-all-that-much money, I was able to get James and
           | Oliver Phelps (the actors who played the twins in all 8
           | movies) to each record a separate video message (about 1
           | minute each) wishing her congratulations by name and wishing
           | her and her baby well.
           | 
           | I made the two Cameo requests on a Friday night, and had both
           | videos by Sunday morning. Both were warm, friendly, and
           | seemed to be genuine and happy for her (obviously to the
           | extent that they know her: "name is X, first-time mom, huge
           | fan".
           | 
           | She was absolutely over-the-moon happy about receiving them.
        
           | cameronlpm wrote:
           | I think I'm seeing it through the same lens as you. I'm
           | really fascinated by the social phenomena of celebrity. Are
           | you aware of any good papers or resources that explore the
           | psychology of this?
        
           | ChainOfFools wrote:
           | > This seems like the social equivalent of when a brand
           | becomes well known for having high-quality goods -- they then
           | put their logo on lots-and-lots of super-low quality goods
           | that people then buy to pretend they have high-quality goods.
           | 
           | I can't quite put my finger on why, but this suggests an
           | alternate form of IPO is being reinvented, where the currency
           | of issue was branded social capital, and actual cash is a
           | kind of leveraged instrument instead of the primary medium of
           | exchange.
           | 
           | I also feel like this might be a well known pattern in
           | behavioral economics and I just don't know the proper name
           | for it.
        
           | jrvarela56 wrote:
           | We are primates guided by emotions. Our brain responds to
           | incentives similar to those of other living beings (checkout
           | mammals and other monkeys).
           | 
           | Our consciousness is freeing itself from this situation via
           | computers. The transition seems weird but digital systems are
           | just implementing tricks we've been playing on each other for
           | millenia.
           | 
           | It's just weird when you see Black Mirror type of stuff.
        
           | master-litty wrote:
           | People tend to make negative associations with poverty.
           | 
           | To survive in social circles, we tend to mask such negative
           | associations -- Because sometimes it does have genuine
           | negative consequence, regardless if it is fair or logical. It
           | comes from the same idea that certain topics aren't
           | appropriate to discuss on first dates, with your extended
           | family, with children present, etc.
           | 
           | So to guarantee social survivability, in this mindset, you
           | must offer something that creates a positive association.
           | 
           | Lying is a risky way to create that association. It's social
           | cheating, in a way. If you're convincing enough, your lie
           | might as well be real, as far as your relationships are
           | concerned, and you gain the social benefits of that;
           | Intrigue, mystery, perceived power. But if you get caught,
           | you are labelled as someone who will lie for these benefits.
           | 
           | Many of us can look at these consequences and say it isn't
           | worth it -- Some of us look at those same consequences and
           | say it _is_ worth it. This doesn 't make sense to you because
           | you perceive the consequences as the former, not the latter.
        
           | jedberg wrote:
           | Celebrities elicit an emotional response, similar to going to
           | a place that has meaning to you. If you've spent twenty hours
           | watching that person's work, and seeing them reminds you of
           | the joy you had watching them, it makes sense that seeing
           | them _say your name_ would elicit a greater response.
        
         | homakov wrote:
         | This is so cringeworthy though
        
         | sizzle wrote:
         | I rather run an open source AI algorithm to generate a
         | celebrity's face and voice for free to deliver the message.
        
           | hckr_news wrote:
           | Someone on here could probably whip something up like that on
           | a weekend and start charging money. Those AI generated fake
           | Obama videos as an example. Can't imagine it's too hard to
           | make it say "Happy birthday so-and-so". Although can already
           | see the lawsuits if someone is making money off the likeness
           | and image of a celeb without permission.
        
         | SquishyPanda23 wrote:
         | > Imagine Lebron wishing your kid happy birthday
         | 
         | This makes sense if the service is relatively unknown on small.
         | But if Lebron is mass-producing birthday wishes, and if
         | everybody knows he's mass-producing birthday wishes, then
         | wouldn't the coolness actor diminish somewhat?
        
         | rhizome wrote:
         | The reason it looks natural is because it's new. If it gets
         | popular, it'll be commodified and it'll be the same "radio
         | station bumper" sound you've always heard. As your wedding DJs
         | plays the Brad Pitt, "I heartily congratulate you on your
         | celebration or achievement. Congratulations[static] Wanda and
         | Billy" generic message they sit down once a month to hammer out
         | 300 of.
        
         | kevinmchugh wrote:
         | The professionalism of the celebs varies widely. Some can turn
         | a 50 word prompt into a four minute, fun, natural video, others
         | read instructions verbatim or fail to read the instructions at
         | all
        
           | BurningFrog wrote:
           | Candidate for least professional one:
           | 
           | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORpBAIB9j64
        
             | gwbas1c wrote:
             | Oh, that's a hard video to do. Johnny Depp plays such deep
             | characters that it often takes me until the middle of the
             | movie before I realize it's him.
             | 
             | What kind of character can he be to make a PSA?
        
           | jedberg wrote:
           | Yeah, I've seen a few. Some just read your words staring
           | straight into the camera and some have fun with it.
           | 
           | The last one I saw, my friend said, "please wish my husband a
           | happy father's day". She sent it to the actor who plays his
           | favorite character on his favorite show.
           | 
           | The actor turned that prompt into a 30 second in-character
           | monologue that was just brilliant. It was totally worth the
           | cost just for the entertainment value to both him and the
           | rest of us (she shared it on Facebook for us).
        
           | hckr_news wrote:
           | Yeah the couple's video was about a minute long, and was
           | quite a heartfelt message wishing them congrats and sending
           | well wishes.
        
       | hckr_news wrote:
       | > Whatever the number, Cameo keeps 25% of the transaction and the
       | talent does what it wishes with the remainder.
       | 
       | That's...a lot. The App Store strategy I guess.
        
       | josefresco wrote:
       | Random Trivia: High Pitch Eric, a guest on the Howard Stern show
       | is making significant money on Cameo. They (the Howard Stern
       | Show) have speculated that he's one of the top earners on the
       | platform. I believe he's on pace to make over $100,000 this year.
        
       | nytesky wrote:
       | Super weird, seeing some relatively famous people doing this.
       | Sean Astin is on a bunch of current Netflix shows fro example.
       | 
       | Now some do it for charity, which I think if they had started as
       | a nonprofit and took that angle it could end up huge. Think fo
       | the kind of legacy it could become, though I guess they wouldn't
       | become millionaires going that route...
       | 
       | One shout out to a Silicon Valley alum, whose proceeds go to
       | charity: https://www.cameo.com/suzannecryer
        
         | op03 wrote:
         | Isn't this the same model Obama, Trump et al use to raise
         | campaign funds? It feels like they have already proved you can
         | raise billions selling dinner tickets, photo ops etc.
        
         | jedberg wrote:
         | Keep in mind that even famous middle-class actors with regular
         | jobs aren't working right now. Film production has only just
         | restarted in the last week.
         | 
         | Actors are used to taking whatever gig they can. I suspect as
         | film production picks up you'll see fewer of those really well
         | known celebrities on there.
         | 
         | On the other hand, it takes all of a minute to record one of
         | these. You could literally do it in your trailer on set while
         | you wait for them to set up cameras.
        
           | BurningFrog wrote:
           | I'd expect them to do a few takes and "find their motivation"
           | etc.
           | 
           | Many hours go into acting for each minute that end up on
           | screen.
        
         | tootie wrote:
         | Some people are terrible with money. Nic Cage spends money as
         | fast as earns it which is why he's in so many terrible low
         | budget movies despite being an A list actor. Seems like the
         | kind of guy who'd make a killing on Cameo too.
        
       | hn_throwaway_99 wrote:
       | I've got to imagine this is a _huge_ moneymaker for any celebs
       | that have  "event appropriate" fame. For example, I saw a friend
       | get a personalized graduation message from Natasha Bedingfield
       | (singer of that ubiquitous graduation song "Unwritten"). I
       | thought it was really cool, and at a couple hundred bucks a pop I
       | can imagine that Ms. Bedingfield can make more in a month's worth
       | of graduation messages than the average person could in years.
        
         | tootie wrote:
         | Appearance fees for celebs are nothing new. It just used to
         | require talking to their agency. Top celebs probably will still
         | require it. This is creating a market place for mid and bottom
         | tier notables to tap into that.
        
       | und3rth3iP wrote:
       | Cameo is a fascinating company. Chicago mag also published a
       | longread on the company earlier this year if anyone is going down
       | a rabbit hole: http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-
       | Magazine/January-2020/Came...
        
       | mc32 wrote:
       | "Celebrities with over 20,000 Instagram followers - which
       | occasionally stretches the limits of what one might consider a
       | "celebrity""
       | 
       | It certainly does.
       | 
       | I would not classify A-list actors and actresses as "gig economy
       | workers" by any stretch of current understanding of the meaning
       | of that phrase.
       | 
       | Maybe "Talent" (tarento) in the Japanese meaning of the word,
       | maybe.
        
         | kostarelo wrote:
         | I was on a presentation where their CEO presented the service
         | and said Giannis Antentokoumpo is a gig worker and now with the
         | the COVID-19 they won't be able to get paid like the rest of
         | us.
         | 
         | I didn't know if I should scream at him or jump out the window
         | on the void.
        
         | ardy42 wrote:
         | > Maybe "Talent" (tarento) in the Japanese meaning of the word,
         | maybe.
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarento
         | 
         | > Tarento (tarento) are celebrities who regularly appear in
         | mass media in Japan, especially television. The term is a
         | gairaigo word - a foreign language loanword - derived from the
         | English word talent (Japanese does not distinguish /l/ and /r/
         | sounds), and has a connotation of "famous for being famous".
        
         | mcguire wrote:
         | For one thing, they're unionized.
        
       | Avicebron wrote:
       | This very much cheapens the struggle of those driving for Uber
       | etc, we can't conflate an A-list actor with someone scraping by
       | as a real gig economy worker
        
       | michaelbuckbee wrote:
       | I heard an anecdote on a podcast about Donald Sutherland [1] who
       | has done both high profile and really steady acting work for
       | going on 50 years got done with his last scene and then said:
       | "Well, that may be my last job. I might never work again."
       | 
       | Even established actors are in a fairly fragile position with
       | delays, weird hollywood accounting, and the inherent "gig" nature
       | of their work playing havoc with their salaries.
       | 
       | I can imagine Cameo seems like incredibly easy and steady money
       | (even pre Covid) comparatively.
       | 
       | 1 - https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000661/
        
       | spraveenitpro wrote:
       | Can Brad Pitt deliver Pizza as a "Gig economy worker"?
        
       | chrisaycock wrote:
       | _The New Yorker_ also wrote about Cameo today. The _dot.LA_
       | article mentions celebrities in general, but this article
       | specifically covers people with political connections:
       | 
       | https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/06/29/from-the-trump...
       | 
       | Rod Blagojevich (former governor of Illinois) says that Cameo is
       | his main source of income now.
        
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         | BurningFrog wrote:
         | You shouldn't always trust everything Rod Blagojevich says :)
        
       | bcrosby95 wrote:
       | I'm just your average web dev, but the Cameo site seems to send a
       | lot of unnecessary information on pages. E.g. the request that
       | fetches recent public videos made by someone seems to include the
       | price paid... because, why? Reviews include the original order
       | id... because, why? This just seems to be asking for trouble. Is
       | this how most AJAX-heavy sites work?
        
       | treelovinhippie wrote:
       | Waste of human attention.
        
       | jerkstate wrote:
       | I think this service is incredibly cool. celebrities have been
       | making paid appearances at parties and events forever, this is
       | just the social media version of that, a much cheaper way to get
       | a celebrity on your social media feed. I bought one for my wife
       | for mothers day last year, I was a little worried about how it
       | would go over, but she absolutely loved it. Yes, it's a little
       | silly, and no, it doesn't solve any glaring social problems, but
       | it's more memorable and personal than flowers and chocolates.
        
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