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Umami: Self-hosted open-source alternative to Google Analytics
Author : bananaoomarang
Score : 473 points
Date : 2020-08-18 13:35 UTC (9 hours ago)
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| mikece wrote:
| Are there any "Google Analytics" alternatives that aren't based
| on Python, Node, Go, etc but something with a PHP back-end that
| can be deployed to any commodity LAMP hosting provider?
| ethor wrote:
| Matomo uses php
| mikece wrote:
| And it's "Wordpress easy" to setup and doesn't require
| special access or server config?
| tacone wrote:
| Yes. On the first run it will take you to a wizard to set
| it up.
| martin_a wrote:
| Totally! Just set an instance up the other day. Done in
| five minutes, you'll only need database credentials and a
| somewhat "normal" PHP setup.
| johnchristopher wrote:
| There's even a plugin for wordpress that embeds matomo
| itself if memory serves right.
| johnchristopher wrote:
| It's as easy as setting up GA in WordPress. Just inject the
| JavaScript snippet built by your Matomo instance when
| creating a new tracker.
| moooo99 wrote:
| I think the question was if the software itself is
| actually simple to set up with a commodity web host. As
| easy as upload via ftp and configure in webbrowser easy.
| johnchristopher wrote:
| Oops, my bad. You are totally right.
| wizzwizz4 wrote:
| You could check the ReverseEagle list:
| https://developers.reverseeagle.org/replace/google-analytics...
|
| Also, anyone with a Tedomum account? It'd be nice if you could
| open an issue about adding umami.is.
| https://forge.tedomum.net/ReverseEagle/developers/-/issues
| rapnie wrote:
| Thanks! PS. there is a typo here (should be 'statisfy'):
| https://developers.reverseeagle.org/replace/google-
| analytics...
| acidburnNSA wrote:
| Would awstats meet this criteria? Not PHP but even simpler. I
| have data from it going back to 2006 (maybe 2002 if I dig up
| backups), which is a lot of fun.
|
| https://www.awstats.org/
| ibdf wrote:
| I remember once at a previous job one of the devs forgot to
| setup google analytics which was the go to tool at the time.
| Client calls in wanting to get some stats for their site
| after 3 months, and we had nothing... thankfully awstats
| comes with cpanel without any additional setup, and we had
| something to show. Not great, but better than nothing.
| XCSme wrote:
| I built one: https://usertrack.net
|
| It has a plain PHP + MySQL backend, so it's really easy to
| install (on a LAMP server, as a WordPress plugin or one-click
| install on a DigitalOcean droplet).
|
| When I started building it 8 years ago, the idea was exactly
| this, it should run on any basic shared hosting that can run
| PHP, so any site can just have its own analytics dashboard,
| without relying on 3rd parties.
| XCSme wrote:
| For userTrack, the LAMP installation process has 3 main
| steps:
|
| 1. Upload the script files.
|
| 2. Create a MySQL database for the script to use.
|
| 3. Run the auto-installer (to set up DB connection and create
| the tables in DB).
|
| https://docs.usertrack.net/installation/uploading-the-script
| arp242 wrote:
| The advantage of Go is that you can compile it to a single
| (static) binary, and then it doesn't really matter what the
| rest of the backend is running. Unlike Python, Node, PHP, etc.
| you don't need to set up an environment.
| busymichael wrote:
| Congrats on launching -- really impressive. One important issue
| that these self hosted analytics solve is ad blocking. Ad
| blocking by users really undermines the ability of a site or app
| to figure out what is working and not working. When you host your
| own analytics, you can get usability information for all of your
| users, not just those that don't block. That allows you to make a
| better product.
|
| I have been working on something similar at https://argyle.cc --
| we combine cloud analytics with a self-hosted analytics collector
| js. That gives you the best of both worlds: privacy focused, user
| respecting analytics, but full featured reporting in the cloud
| and ad-blocker resistance. It also allows event tracking to be
| done over js/web or in-line/server side.
| ethor wrote:
| Seemingly no api? :(
| anderspitman wrote:
| I've been happily paying for GoatCounter for several months. I
| don't imagine I'll ever need to self host but it's nice knowing I
| can if necessary.
| lxe wrote:
| I've seen a bunch of these simple self-hosted log dashboards here
| on HN, but I don't think they directly compare with google
| analytics, which is just a much more powerful and much much more
| complicated product. Not to say this isn't a great product, but
| it really isn't an alternative to GA.
| slg wrote:
| I wonder how many users actually use those advance features. As
| someone who has only ever used GA to help provide insight into
| developmental priorities (i.e. not for marketing), this doesn't
| help too much. For example, this tells you the browser but it
| doesn't tell you the browser version. It tells you the device
| being used, but it doesn't tell you the resolution of that
| device. It tells you the country of your visitors, but it
| doesn't tell you the user's language. It tells you pages users
| visit, but it doesn't tell you the order in which they visit
| them.
|
| This isn't a criticism of Umami. It looks like a nice clean app
| that accomplishes what it is trying to do. But if this is all
| you needed from Google Analytics than that tool was overkill in
| the first place.
| mcao wrote:
| Agreed, saying it's a one to one alternative to Google
| Analytics is probably a misnomer. I think a lot of people,
| myself included, used GA because there were no simpler
| alternatives and better overkill than nothing.
| ggregoire wrote:
| Do you know any good resources to learn the intricacies of
| Google Analytics and its related marketing concepts?
| songzme wrote:
| noticed you didn't write any tests:
| https://github.com/mikecao/umami
|
| What was your reasoning? Personally, I write tests for all my
| projects, it forces me to really think hard about how to break
| down the different components and functionalities and it helps
| others feel more confident to contribute.
| dzink wrote:
| It needs more granularity of OS versions and browser versions.
| Knowing which iOS version your users have is important to decide
| on what base level version you need for an iOS app, for example.
| ln_00 wrote:
| to be honest, if you are using nginx, just use / run
| https://goaccess.io/ It collects the same information as umami
| and is even more lightweight, since it just runs whenever you
| tell it to.
|
| just add the command as a cron job, and you get an auto generated
| static dashboard. very neat.
| leephillips wrote:
| Apache too (and first).
| sahnasidol wrote:
| Is there any way to create and track custom events like clicks?
| mcao wrote:
| Yes, event tracking is already in the current build. I just
| haven't finished the UI components or documentation yet. But
| basically all you have to do is add a CSS class to an element
| and it will automatically start tracking. Like this:
| <div class="button umami--onclick--signup-button">Signup</div>
| vs4vijay wrote:
| Looks neat! will explore.
|
| Also, I did research on alternatives to GA few days back, might
| be helpful of someone:
|
| https://github.com/Open-Web-Analytics/Open-Web-Analytics
|
| https://matomo.org/
|
| https://github.com/matomo-org/matomo
|
| https://github.com/usefathom/fathom
|
| https://www.goatcounter.com/
|
| https://plausible.io/
|
| https://github.com/PostHog/posthog
|
| https://www.usertrack.net/
| asddubs wrote:
| posthog is really unfortunately named
| Insanity wrote:
| How so?
| bartvk wrote:
| I don't get it either. Not a native speaker, though. So could
| someone explain it?
| csmiller wrote:
| I believe they are referring to posting a picture of one's
| hog
| timgl wrote:
| PostHog founder here. Only if you split the name ;-)
| justinclift wrote:
| > https://github.com/usefathom/fathom
|
| Be careful of this one. It started out as OSS, but switched to
| proprietary once they'd achieved traction.
| rapnie wrote:
| All open source:
|
| https://count.ly/
|
| https://github.com/vesparny/fair-analytics
|
| https://goaccess.io/
|
| https://www.kokoanalytics.com/
|
| https://github.com/sheshbabu/freshlytics
|
| https://github.com/milesmcc/shynet
| diafygi wrote:
| Of these, do any have a funnel tracking feature that shows what
| visitors went through a specific series of pages/events? Seeing
| how users moved about the site and seeing how many converted is
| a deal breaker for me.
| lilfermat wrote:
| Not out of the box but snowplow does if you model the data on
| your own.
| KaoruAoiShiho wrote:
| Pretty sure posthog does.
| timgl wrote:
| (PostHog founder) Yes we do! PostHog gives you full funnel
| capabilities + ability to see exactly what users dropped
| out where
| james_impliu wrote:
| Confirmed! (I'm one of the founders)
| volument wrote:
| https://volument.com might be a good pick since it focuses
| strictly on conversion optimization. It attempts to measure
| the more general conversion flow, known as the AIDA funnel
| (awareness, interest, desire, and action).
| tedivm wrote:
| Fathom started as open source, but the founders stopped
| supporting the open source project. It's basically abandoned at
| this point, with no new releases in almost two years and only
| updates to the README.
| volument wrote:
| Here's one we are working on: https://volument.com -- it
| focuses on conversion optimization.
| kukabynd wrote:
| There^s also https://ackee.electerious.com/, quite simple but a
| good option.
| XCSme wrote:
| Thanks for mentioning https://www.userTrack.net, I'm the author
| and still working full-time on improving it. Let me know if you
| have any questions/remarks about userTrack.
| Semaphor wrote:
| Wow, that's actually the first one (besides matomo which is
| rather enormous) that looks like a decent alternative to me
| with more than just bare-bones features. I'll keep it in
| mind. And I really like the clear and to-the-point website.
|
| No, XCSme did not pay me for this comment ;)
| XCSme wrote:
| Thanks for the kind words!
|
| To be honest, I did work a lot on it, 6-7 years as a side-
| project and one year full-time. I think feature-wise
| userTrack is pretty comparable to Matomo (including some of
| their premium features that cost 400eur+/year). I also
| recently recreated the entire front-end from spaghetti
| jQuery to TypeScript+React+MaterialUI and implemented an
| auto-updater system. This means that I can now implement
| new features, fix bugs and distribute the updates to users
| very fast.
|
| I am really glad that you like the landing page! I probably
| changed it like 200 times in the last 2 months (last change
| was 2 minutes ago). I still want to improve it (eg. some
| hero video actually showcasing the product, so you don't
| have to spend time understanding the demo).
|
| PS: I hope that the BTC transfer was successful and thanks
| again for the comment! (jk)
| abraae wrote:
| > am really glad that you like the landing page! I
| probably changed it like 200 times in the last 2 months
| (last change was 2 minutes ago).
|
| Hilarious, I have changed our new home page literally
| hundreds of times over the last few days and having
| looked at yours, I see inspiration for yet another
| change.
| poidos wrote:
| +1 for matomo. Very easy to set up a self-hosted instance, good
| documentation, and works well. NB: My site is pretty low-
| traffic.
| tiffanyh wrote:
| There are a bunch of Github "awesome software" lists.
|
| One thing I haven't seen is someone categorize open source web
| traffic analytics into Client Side Analytics (via javascript)
| and Web Server Log analytics.
|
| Since each approach drastically changes the data collected and
| reported.
| gen220 wrote:
| Are there any all-in-one-ish solutions that attempt to do
| both?
|
| i.e. collects both (or one of either) server logs and client
| side analytics, normalize them, etc.
| mxuribe wrote:
| Matomo does provide an alternative to leverage web server
| log files (beyond the usual client side javascript)...using
| a python script: https://matomo.org/faq/log-analytics-tool/
|
| When i first migrated (my personal sites) away from GA, i
| was concerned about performance, so was considering using
| server logs, and stumbled upon this feature of matomo. The
| javascript approach ended up not being the performance
| issue that i thought it would be...so i never ended up
| using the python script...So your mileage may vary, but to
| your question, this does exist.
| hanspagel wrote:
| don't forget
|
| https://simpleanalytics.com/
| robinhood wrote:
| It's not open source.
| gentleman11 wrote:
| True, but it at least respects the privacy of your visitors
| by doing very minimal tracking. Basically, all you get is
| country, some device stats, and a time stamp. Last time I
| used it, it didn't even track return visits and used no
| cookies iirc. It felt nice
| gentleman11 wrote:
| The problem with matomo (not their fault) is that Microsoft
| flags your site as distributing malware and you disappear from
| search engines. You have to fill out a bunch of forms to fix
| it. It's listed in the matomo faq and is basically either from
| a bot falsely reporting you, or some other glitch. It's why my
| blog is still invisible to bing users: if you visit in edge,
| you get huge menacing red warnings.
| basilgohar wrote:
| This is unfortunate. I've been using them for years and
| wasn't aware of this. I wonder how much it's affecting the
| sites I use it on...
| nickreese wrote:
| Here is another to add to that list. They just hit 2.0 this
| week.
|
| https://github.com/electerious/Ackee
| Deukhoofd wrote:
| Any privacy oriented analytics tools not purely focused on
| website analytics?
| ponteiro wrote:
| https://getinsights.io has event tracking for webapps but is
| not open source
| ahnick wrote:
| +1 for Plausible.
|
| I've been using it for our name generator product Mashword
| (https://mashword.com) and it was really straightforward to
| implement. It's reasonably priced, has a clean interface and
| graphs, is privacy protecting and supports using your own
| domain for pulling in the js include.
| kirubakaran wrote:
| https://github.com/PostHog/posthog looks great for product
| analytics. If you've used it, can you please share your
| experience?
| Zaheer wrote:
| I currently use the self-hosted version on Heroku and
| impressed with its functionality. It's quite similar to Heap
| Analytics. My favorite feature is auto-tracking. That said,
| there are some scaling limitations currently if you have a
| high traffic site. We have a couple hundred thousand users
| monthly so we are likely on the larger side of PostHog
| deployments. The team is cranking out features and
| improvements incredibly fast and I'd expect these to be
| resolved soon. Feel free to DM - happy to answer any more
| questions.
| kirubakaran wrote:
| Thanks!
| woutr_be wrote:
| I've been using GoatCounter for a couple of months now, it's
| great! Super simple interface with all the data you need.
| ASlave2Gravity wrote:
| Aye, same here. It's _really_ good!
| kmfrk wrote:
| Does this use cookies and similar to warrant a GDPR prompt?
| mcao wrote:
| No, it does not use cookies so no cookie prompt is needed.
| eclipsetheworld wrote:
| I just checked your tracking code. It looks like you're using
| the locale storage to set a session id to track uniqueness.
| According to this [0] Stackexchange answer you will still
| have to display a cookie banner.
|
| [0] https://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/2
| 905...
| mcao wrote:
| The local storage is mainly for performance. It's to
| prevent a round-trip to the database to figure out the
| session again. The session id will be the same regardless
| and it can function without local storage. But I do see
| your point. I may consider removing it just to be safe.
| marcus_holmes wrote:
| I'd love to use this. But 34 dependencies?
|
| I know ~10 of them are React, and there's some in there that make
| sense. But I haven't got the time to audit them all, and re-audit
| it every time any of those dependencies update .
|
| And escape-string-regexp? Really? it's literally 2 lines of code
| [0]. Why have I got to give the maintainer of that project commit
| access to this program that will be seeing potentially sensitive
| data?
|
| Why, if the developer couldn't come up with those 2 lines
| themselves, isn't this a Stack Overflow copy/paste?
|
| [0]https://github.com/sindresorhus/escape-string-
| regexp/blob/ma...
| halfmatthalfcat wrote:
| Would you also criticize someone for using Apache Commons
| StringUtils? The fetishization of critiquing npm package
| choices is hilarious.
| dsalzman wrote:
| +1 to https://goatcounter.com/ o use it for my personal blog
| https://dannysalzman.com . This is a good reminder to donate.
| takein wrote:
| Good job. Getting 502 error!
| gitgud wrote:
| Demo is throwing back "502 Bad Gateway"
|
| Hacker News hug of death?
| shattl wrote:
| Wow, Piwik is now Matomo, how fast time flies!
| malisper wrote:
| One of the claims of Umami is that it's GDPR compliant:
|
| > Umami does not collect any personally identifiable information
| so it is GDPR and CCPA compliant. No cookie notices are needed
| because Umami does not use cookies.
|
| From auditing the source code, this doesn't seem to be the case.
| First, it claims it doesn't use cookies, but it clearly uses
| localStorage to store a "sessionKey"[0].
|
| The other claim, that Umami is GDPR and CCPA compliant because it
| does not collect any personally identifiable information is only
| half true. While the data collected isn't PII (because you can't
| use it on it's own to identify a user), it's still "personal
| data". This is because the "sessionKey" stored alongside all
| events is actually a pseudonymous user identifier. It's really
| just a hash of the user's IP along with a few other
| properties[1]. Because the data Umami collects, when combined
| with some other data, can be attributed back to the user, the
| data is still considered "personal data". That means you're still
| subject to most of GDPR such as GDPR deletion requests[2].
|
| [0]
| https://github.com/mikecao/umami/blob/f4ca353b5c68750bf391e5...
|
| [1]
| https://github.com/mikecao/umami/blob/master/lib/session.js#...
|
| [2] https://gdpr-info.eu/art-17-gdpr/
| mcao wrote:
| I am not a lawyer so I cannot say for sure what constitutes PII
| and what breaches GDPR. I am using the same techniques as
| Fathom Analytics, Plausible.io and other products. Everything
| is hashed into a unique session id and none of the actual data
| like user agent or IP address is actually stored. It is the
| same data that is found in server log files. In the strictest
| interpretation of GDPR, I don't think any analytics product can
| exist.
|
| As for the localStorage, it's just for performance so I don't
| have to recompute the session hash. The product will work the
| same without it. But seeing as it is a cause contention I am
| probably going to remove it.
| secondcoming wrote:
| It doesn't matter if the UA or IP is stored, even using them
| to fingerprint a user requires GDPR consent.
| matthewheath wrote:
| Consent is only one potential basis for processing under
| GDPR. There are others such as "legitimate interest" which
| the controller and/or processor may rely on.
| sleepyhead wrote:
| That's true but not relevant for a random user visiting a
| website.
| latk wrote:
| Since this is about cookies and IP addresses, GDPR is not
| the most relevant EU law. Instead, we have to look at the
| old ePrivacy Directive.
|
| For cookies or any other access to information stored on
| the user's device, that access must either be strictly
| necessary for performing the service explicitly requested
| by the user, or consent is required (ePD Art 5.3). This
| is where those annoying cookie banners come from.
| LocalStorage isn't any different and would require the
| same consent as cookies.
|
| For traffic data such as IP addresses, processing is
| allowed if it's technically necessary for the
| "transmission", if the data has been anonymized, if it's
| required for billing purposes, or if the user has
| consented (ePD Art 6). There is an argument that security
| logs might be necessary, other uses like analytics are
| more dubious. The good news is that Umami seems to
| properly anonymize the IP address, so this part seems
| fine.
|
| In cases where ePD mandates using consent, we cannot fall
| back to another GDPR legal basis such as legitimate
| interest. Of course this discrepancy between ePD and GDPR
| is a huge problem, and the promised ePD update has yet to
| materialize.
| y42 wrote:
| "In the strictest interpretation of GDPR, I don't think any
| analytics product can exist." That's the point. Unless you
| aggregate the data.
|
| Besides, it's not only GDPR you should consider, but also the
| latest cookie verdict by the CJEU. You need a consent if you
| drop cookies, session storage or any other tracking
| technology, no matter if you process personal data or not.
| [deleted]
| malisper wrote:
| Both Fathom and plausible generate a unique salt every day.
| By getting rid of the old salts, they've anonymized any data
| older than a day. From [0]:
|
| > We do not attempt to generate a device-persistent
| identifier because they are considered personal data under
| GDPR.
|
| > Instead, we generate a daily changing identifier using the
| visitor's IP address and User Agent. To anonymize these
| datapoints, we run them through a hash function with a
| rotating salt.
|
| [0] https://plausible.io/data-policy
| mcao wrote:
| I will probably implement the daily salt and remove the
| localStorage code as well just to be safe.
|
| But again, I'm not a lawyer here, where do you draw the
| line? Why not hourly salts? 5 minute salts? What is
| considered a reasonable effort? At some point you're
| storing data that can identify a user for the purpose of
| analytics. Still, I'm going try to lean to the safer side
| as best I can.
| lmkg wrote:
| There are two paths to compliance with GDPR.
|
| Option 1: Accept that you're collecting Personal Data,
| and satisfy the obligations GDPR places on that. This
| means disclosing the use of analytics in your privacy
| policy (what data's being collected & why), listing
| retention periods, and figuring out how to satisfy
| requests like Access or Deletion (which may include "we
| can't identify you in the data we previously collected).
|
| Option 2 is to "comply" with GDPR by finding a loophole
| that it technically doesn't count.
|
| The Option 2 approach is more common when dealing with
| American data privacy laws. It doesn't work out so well
| with GDPR. It's _very_ difficult to not be processing
| personal data at some point. Even if you fully anonymize
| your data before doing any non-trivial processing, the
| _anonymization itself_ is still covered by GDPR. Which
| means you need to include it your privacy policy and
| provide opt-out.
|
| It's also high-risk. If a court decides that you didn't
| quite thread the needle through the loophole in their
| country and GDPR therefore applies in full, then you
| haven't done any of the compliance groundwork.
|
| For GDPR compliance, I would be much more inclined to
| trust a tool that describes how to opt users out of
| tracking than one that claims they're immune from
| obligations to opt-out.
|
| As another commenter mentions, the ePrivacy Directive is
| a whole different kettle of fish. Strong consent needed
| to read _or_ write any data not strictly necessary to
| provide the services requested by the user. That law
| _should_ get updated with more sanity soon... it 's been
| that way for a few years now.
| madeofpalk wrote:
| > I am not a lawyer so I cannot say for sure what constitutes
| PII and what breaches GDPR
|
| If you don't feel fit to judge whether something breaches
| GDPR, then maybe you shouldn't say "so it is GDPR and CCPA
| compliant".
| epoch_100 wrote:
| This looks great! For what it's worth, I also maintain an open
| source (and self hosted) website analytics tool called Shynet [0]
| (someone else mentioned it in this thread, but thought I'd share
| here as well). Really great to see more options in this area!
|
| [0] https://github.com/milesmcc/shynet
| 1f60c wrote:
| From the screenshots, the design looks very slick and I can't
| wait to give it a try!
| llacb47 wrote:
| The whole script is 502... https://stats.umami.is/umami.js
| nickthemagicman wrote:
| Am I wrong for thinking that Google Analytics has bad UI?
|
| As a noob at UI it was bizarre and unintuitive for me.
|
| Just finding the region locations of the traffic was odd and
| didn't make immediate sense.
| edwinjm wrote:
| It's pleasure to work with compared to one or two years ago
| quaffapint wrote:
| Any suggestions for collecting server side logs via nginx pods in
| k8s?
| dirtnugget wrote:
| Can anyone tell how this holds up against Matomo?
| hitekker wrote:
| For something this simple, I was hoping to see an option for
| SQlite, not just MySQL and PostgresSQL.
| mcao wrote:
| The app is using prisma.io which does support SQLite. I just
| haven't had the time to implement it yet.
| [deleted]
| dandigangi wrote:
| I always like seeing competitors to GA but the website could
| really use some more information on why you should use it and the
| features it gives you. It's hard to beat top competitors in a
| saturated space.
| anvarik wrote:
| I liked the image on the home page, how can I create such an
| image to show case my product? only way is PS?
| buraksarica wrote:
| I wish to see a line about backend platform on installation
| documentation. Yes, it's simple, but IMO no one will find "Umami
| requires bla bla platform on bla bla operating system." sentence
| useless.
| GoblinSlayer wrote:
| Ironically how big is web on advertisements, but when the time
| actually comes to tell what the product is and does, they
| forget words.
| sradman wrote:
| From a quickscan of the GitHub repo [1], this is a JavaScript
| client, like Google Analytics, that sends data to a self-hosted
| Node.js backend that stores the data in MySQL or PostgreSQL
| using the Prisma database toolkit:
|
| [1] https://github.com/mikecao/umami
| m90 wrote:
| Is there a way for me as a user to opt out of this tool other
| than relying on third party tools like uBlock? I'm starting to
| get annoyed by so many "privacy focused" tools with literally no
| consent options at all.
| mcao wrote:
| I haven't implemented it yet, but I plan to make it read the
| user's do not track setting and automatically opt out.
| m90 wrote:
| While this is much appreciated, keep in mind this does not
| work for Safari users.
| rockwotj wrote:
| Demo website 502's for me :/
| amenod wrote:
| Same here. :-/
| gilli wrote:
| Same, maybe we already hugged it to death?
| mcao wrote:
| Should be back up now, give it another try.
| chrisblackwell wrote:
| I'm very excited to see this space heating up. It seems for years
| we defaulted to using Google Analytics and no one wanted in the
| market. Now there are plenty alternatives, with many of them open
| source.
| colechristensen wrote:
| Is there a similar product that does this server side (without
| injected javascript telemetry) with http logs?
| corytheboyd wrote:
| Saw this link in another comment, might be what you're looking
| for https://goaccess.io/
| Trasmatta wrote:
| For Rails, there's Ahoy: https://github.com/ankane/ahoy
| GoblinSlayer wrote:
| https://goaccess.io/
|
| https://www.awstats.org/
| eli wrote:
| You end up with a lot of noise from bots and crawlers (using
| bogus user agents) if you're just looking at server logs.
| justinclift wrote:
| Any reasonable server side processing thing will exclude the
| obvious bots, which almost always have some kind of "Bot"
| wording in their user agent header.
| eli wrote:
| There are a LOT of bots and crawlers with bogus browser
| user agents.
|
| Some of the bad ones you can select see indirectly in logs
| because they pick UAs that almost no one uses any more. Go
| search your logs for IE8 or Firefox <= 70.0. Most just pick
| a random modern User Agent though and that's awfully hard
| to see in server logs.
| colechristensen wrote:
| Yeah, but so what? There are plenty of blacklists
| maintained for all sorts of things, and no metric is
| perfect. Some really rudimentary filtering or AI methods
| could get you pretty good data.
| anderspitman wrote:
| Keep in mind if you're using a CDN (ie CloudFlare) your
| absolute numbers will be way off.
| rayshan wrote:
| This. Just got bitten by this by using Vercel's serverless
| functions edge caching. More details:
| https://twitter.com/rayshan/status/1295521974479798274?s=21
| arielm wrote:
| This looks really nice! If... you're only looking for high level
| numbers for something like a personal blog or a simple landing
| page for a mobile app.
|
| I wouldn't call this a replacement to Google Analytics.
|
| The reason to have something like Google Analytics is to track
| traffic at a more granular level, and with very specific intent.
|
| Some of the things I _rely_ on include:
|
| - custom parameters - segments - goals - A/B testing - specific
| views
|
| And that's just the short list.
|
| Now, I use Analytics heavily because we spend a lot of effort on
| growth, both organic (content, seo) and paid (ads), so knowing
| what's going on at that level is essential.
|
| If you don't, there's not much reason to use something like GA.
| thinkmassive wrote:
| A comparison of Umami and Matomo (formerly Piwik) would be
| helpful since they seem very similar. I looked at both websites
| and didn't see any mention of the other project.
| mcao wrote:
| Hi everyone!
|
| Author of Umami here. I totally did not expect this response so
| it looks like you all hugged my little server to death. The demo
| should be back up now.
|
| A little background. This is a side project I started 30 days ago
| because I was tired of how slow and complicated Google Analytics
| was. I just wanted something really simple and fast that I could
| browse quickly without diving through layers of menus. So I
| created Umami to track my own websites and then open sourced it.
| The stack is React, Redux, and Next.js with a Postgresql backend.
|
| Would be happy to answer any questions you have.
| sorenbs wrote:
| This is a really cool project. I'm happy to see that you are
| using Prisma for data access. If you are interested we can set
| up a shared slack channel so you can provide feedback and we
| can make sure we support everything you need for this project
| :-)
| mcao wrote:
| This is my first time ever using Prisma and I'm a huge fan of
| it already. It did run into a few gotchas and would love to
| discuss.
| sorenbs wrote:
| Contact info is in my profile. Please send an email so we
| can set something up :-)
| imedadel wrote:
| This is an awesome project. Is Postgres good enough for high
| traffic or would it be better to switch to Redis?
| dom96 wrote:
| Nice! Question for you, how did you make that nice 3D image on
| the front page with various screenshots overlaid over each
| other? :)
| mcao wrote:
| It's all done in Photoshop. Just take screenshots, then
| transform, rotate, distort them to look flat. Then add some
| drop shadows for a 3d look.
| killerpopiller wrote:
| Matomo (former Piwik) is an alternative imho.
| modoc wrote:
| Unsure about Umami's performance, but Piwik was a non-starter
| for several higher traffic sites I worked with due to
| performance issues (even after throwing big hardware at it).
| noahth wrote:
| One big difference is that Matomo doesn't support PostgreSQL
| and has said they don't plan to.
| newusertoday wrote:
| what are your thoughts on using ui-frameworks like material/ant
| etc. I checked the github and it looks like you have written
| all components including css by yourself.
| mcao wrote:
| For personal projects I tend to write all the CSS and
| components myself. I just like being able to control
| everything down to the pixel without reading some
| documentation. But that's just my workflow. I say just use
| whatever gets the job done. The only thing I used was
| Bootstrap grid for responsive layouts. Tailwind CSS is pretty
| popular.
| throwanem wrote:
| Can confirm, Tailwind is legit.
| blahblah4332 wrote:
| This would definitely be really interesting if it had the
| ability to create analytics in response to UI interactions.
| There are a lot of SPAs out there that use analytics for
| feature tracking, and the self-hosted aspect would fit well
| with those users.
| mcao wrote:
| Event tracking is already supported in the build. I just
| haven't completed the UI components yet. You simply add a
| custom CSS class on an element and it will automatically be
| tracked.
| blahblah4332 wrote:
| Oh OK, I didn't see that when I scanned the documentation.
| CSS is an interesting solution for that
| adventured wrote:
| Great project. I'm going to follow its development and consider
| using it in the near future.
| anderspitman wrote:
| Since it's self-hosted, is there a reason you went postres
| rather than something simpler like sqlite or even flat files?
| mcao wrote:
| It uses prisma.io for the database connections and SQLite is
| supported. I just haven't had the time to implement it yet
| and make sure all the custom queries are working. I would
| welcome a PR.
| mescalito wrote:
| Looks really neat! It might be really interesting if the live
| demo is the actual live stats of your umami.is :)
| mcao wrote:
| I will switch it over at some point. I've been running it on
| my own sites for a month so I just wanted to provide an
| example with more data to play with.
| dylan604 wrote:
| How useful are the metrics from non-GA sources trusted when
| validated traffic to various groups like investors, advertisers,
| etc?
| mxuribe wrote:
| Quite intriguing! I have no experience pitching to investors or
| advertisers, (but i do have web analytics exp.) and never would
| have thought that this would even be a question! Curious, is
| this something that you encountered, or is this hypothetical?
| dylan604 wrote:
| I had heard in the past that if your numbers were not GA,
| then they did not put much weight into them. Since you can
| grant access to other people directly into GA, they can
| validate the data. Using awstats or other metrics were deemed
| less trustworthy since they required someone gathering the
| data (which allows for potential manipulation). Before the
| days of 3rd party advertising, people tried to sell local ads
| just like a news paper. The website with more visitors could
| charge more for the ad banner space. Some "little" blog would
| have to prove they received the amount of traffic.
| [deleted]
| hugey010 wrote:
| I've used https://count.ly/ instead of Google Analytics to gather
| exception data and business analytics from mobile and web apps.
| Relatively cheap for decent scale and they're very nice and
| helpful.
| gramakri wrote:
| Demo gives a 502
| mcao wrote:
| Should be back up now.
| andrewzah wrote:
| I have been using goatcounter [0] and love the simplicity. I used
| to use Matomo, but they want a lot of money to see the referrals
| from google search/etc. And it's a heavier dependency.
| Goatcounter is a drop-in golang binary.
|
| [0]: https://github.com/zgoat/goatcounter
| bambam24 wrote:
| Clicked on love demo and get 505 bad gateway. I hope they
| analyzed it
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