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Show HN: Archivy - Self-hosted knowledge base embedded into your
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Author : etherio
Score : 146 points
Date : 2020-08-18 14:59 UTC (8 hours ago)
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| clashmeifyoucan wrote:
| Nice idea, it would be interesting if you could integrate the
| wayback machine so it archives the webpage you add. That way even
| if the original page gets deleted, a snapshot will be permanently
| archived.
| input_sh wrote:
| I just use one of many article parsers and save things in
| Markdown files, providing me with a local snapshot.
| masukomi wrote:
| a) it does better
|
| > If you add bookmarks, their webpages contents' will be saved
| to ensure that you will always have access to it
|
| b) It's not inline with the idea of archiving things you care
| about. If you don't control it you can't rely on it. You
| definitely can't rely on wayback machine to always exist.
| Someone's got to keep paying for those servers and it's not a
| huge profit center, and there have been questions regarding its
| survival before because of lack of money.
| clashmeifyoucan wrote:
| > a) it does better
|
| that's not very interesting because when I find an
| interesting read I rarely bookmark it. For me bookmarks are
| links that I visit often.
|
| > b)
|
| that is a fair point, however I think the wayback way is
| still not too shabby an idea. It ensures there's a copy
| snapshotted just in case, and yes it might not last forever
| but it's done a fantastic job so far so not trusting it now
| just because it'll not survive sounds a minor risk imho.
| homarp wrote:
| it's not "browser" bookmark. It's "add a bookmark" into the
| app
|
| see https://github.com/Uzay-G/archivy/blob/master/main/temp
| lates...
|
| it's just a form where you paste the URL of the site you're
| interested.
| masukomi wrote:
| so? I don't understand why this is a meaningful
| statement.
|
| Lots of us use Pinboard.in or similar "bookmark"
| services. They aren't "Browser bookmarks" they're just
| forms in some separate app too. We find them more useful
| than browser bookmarks. The pasting can easily be worked
| around with a simple bookmarklet.
|
| I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
| homarp wrote:
| clashmeifyoucan was saying "For me bookmarks are links
| that I visit often" which I interpreted as "browser
| bookmark".
|
| When I read the description of Archivy, I had the same
| impression (it somehow captures the action of
| bookmarking).
|
| So I looked at the code to see how it was done, and in
| fact, as you said, it's more like a local
| pinboard/similar "bookmark" services.
|
| No real point to make, just clarify what 'bookmark' it
| was.
| keyb0ardninja wrote:
| While I greatly appreciate that it saves it locally, which I
| consider essential, but saving it to wayback machine serves a
| different purpose: In case of a dispute with another party,
| you can resolve the claim about the state of a particular
| webpage using the wayback machine.
| masukomi wrote:
| if you're concerned about legal proof, then again, relying
| on a third party service with questionable financials is a
| terrible idea.
|
| This is plaintext markdown files. You can easily integrate
| git with it which will provide a timestamp and
| cryptographic proof that the contents are unchanged.
| Naac wrote:
| A much more complete version of this is tiddlywiki:
|
| https://tiddlywiki.com/
| etherio wrote:
| I saw this, and it seemed interesting but I had a few problems
| with it:
|
| A) doesn't embrace the same idea of building your own digital
| garden that holds nt only your notes but also automatically
| syncs with different services like hn, pocket etc to save your
| digital presence locally.
|
| B) Flexibility of search. Archivy uses elastic search with a
| neat nlp pipeline to process data and allow it to be searched
| with accuracy. This is all configured in elastic-search.json
| and the user can configure it to his needs as he pleases.
|
| C) Ease of use and minimal interface. Archivy has a simple
| direct UI and its goal is NOT to become a note taking app nor
| does it pretend to.
|
| You can directly search at the top and then you have a tree
| view of your data organised in folders.
| Naac wrote:
| > A) doesn't embrace the same idea of building your own
| digital garden that holds nt only your notes but also
| automatically syncs with different services like hn, pocket
| etc to save your digital presence locally.
|
| How does something sync with HN? Running tiddlywiki as a
| service means it's always "in sync". It is easily extensible
| with browser addons if you want. It most certainly embraces
| the idea of building your own garden. People have done
| incredible things with tiddlywiki.
|
| >> B) Flexibility of search. Archivy uses elastic search with
| a neat nlp pipeline to process data and allow it to be
| searched with accuracy. This is all configured in elastic-
| search.json and the user can configure it to his needs as he
| pleases.
|
| Elastic search seems like such an overkill for a personal
| wiki/note taking app. Even for incredibly large wikis. With
| proper tagging ( and even without ) you will be surprised how
| fast tiddlywiki search is. And also, for a personal wiki, I
| would want the least amount of dependencies. I really don't
| want to have to set up and keep up to date elastic search.
|
| >> C) Ease of use and minimal interface. Archivy has a simple
| direct UI and its goal is NOT to become a note taking app nor
| does it pretend to.
|
| "Archivy is a self-hosted knowledge repository". That's the
| same goal as tiddlywiki. They both have a simple and minimal
| UI, although I agree Archivy looks more minimal. But I think
| that's because Archivy offers much less features.
| siraben wrote:
| Worth noting that this is written by a 15 year old.
|
| This looks interesting, nice integration with Elasticsearch as
| well. However, I see and have tried tools like this several times
| in the past (tiddlywiki, org-brain, etc.) and haven't been able
| to stay on it, always reverting to paper, or, more recently,
| reMarkable tablet notebooks. Is it just me or it requires quite a
| bit of motivation and dedication to stick to it?
| ahnick wrote:
| How do you like the reMarkable tablet? What does your workflow
| with it look like?
| siraben wrote:
| I enjoy it greatly! Since using it in the spring semester of
| university I have not used a paper notebook, and it's
| definitely led me to read more books and papers. There's also
| a great hacking element to it[0], since you get root access
| out of the box.
|
| [0] https://github.com/reHackable/awesome-reMarkable
| breakfastduck wrote:
| That's really cool. I had no idea the reMarkable was that
| kind of product.
|
| Shows that user contribution to a platform can be part of
| its success.
| enchiridion wrote:
| Do you know if there is a way to treat the remarkable as
| almost a paper screen connected to my computer? I'd like to
| be able to seamlessly "print" a PDF to it.
| dflock wrote:
| There's a CUPS script here that lets you print to their
| cloud service, which auto-syncs to the tablet:
| https://github.com/reHackable/awesome-reMarkable#cloud-
| tools - among other options in that list.
| allenu wrote:
| It's funny because I used to be more obsessive about storing my
| knowledge when I was younger. I kept track of tidbits of
| information using various systems (emacs wiki mode or OneNote),
| but as with you, I always reverted to paper, not so I could
| "look up" information again, but as a way of sketching out
| ideas. I might refer to the notes a few weeks later, but beyond
| that, likely not.
|
| Now that I'm in my 40s, I don't care as much about recording
| information I encounter (other than for work). If it's worth
| knowing, I can look it up again. If not, ignorance is bliss.
| grugagag wrote:
| Same here, 40 and not very information junky anymore. But it
| probably has to do with the fact that anything is nowadays
| searchable online and also that there is so much information
| (even here on HN) that if you save it even selectively it is
| a sea of information. I use the "one tab" plugin and rather
| than closing the tab I save it to the one tab archive. Most
| of the time I never look at it again
| Naac wrote:
| I think the key is to make your knowledge base accessible from
| anywhere.
|
| I have my tiddlywiki hosted on a server that I can reach from
| any computer ( work, home, phone, etc. )
|
| So the only barrier to use it, is opening a new tab and typing
| some notes. The bigger the barrier between brain thought and
| writing something down, the lower the likelihood of usage.
|
| To be fair, sometimes I'm even too lazy to open a new tab and
| add an entry in my wiki. I haven't solved this problem yet.
| etherio wrote:
| Yeah. The idea of paper notebooks that could use ocr to export
| the paper notebook to a digital notebook would be really cool
| because digital is more flexible but paper feels more natural.
| DEADBEEFC0FFEE wrote:
| There's a cheap product called whitelines. Which might be
| interesting to you.
| apearson wrote:
| Like a Livescribe pen?
| [deleted]
| edgarvaldes wrote:
| After trying dozens of tools, I settled on MyBase for work
| related notes.
| ggrrhh_ta wrote:
| I wish I had again the intellectual confidence I had when I was
| 15...
| [deleted]
| jitl wrote:
| I love to see the web-page archiving. Curious about how you see
| your tool versus Obsidian. Have you checked out Obsidian?
| Similarly uses markdown and front matter on the local filesystem.
| masukomi wrote:
| can't speak for the author but:
|
| * obsidian is a proprietary piece of software so you can't rely
| on it for long term archival. There's zero guarantee the
| company that makes it will exist next year and keep updating it
| to work with new operating systems.
|
| * obsidian doesn't download page contents
|
| * obsidian doesn't handle bookmarks in any notable way.
|
| While they both use markdown, and can store notes the
| similarity pretty much ends there.
| osmarks wrote:
| It _does_ use flat files for storage, so there 's not much
| lockin there.
| masukomi wrote:
| not true. If you buy into obsidian's features then you
| loose the visualized graph, a functional task list, all
| your [[internal links]] break etc...
|
| sure, you've got your core data, but now you've got to
| recreate obsidian if you want it to work the way you've
| become accustomed to, and presumably like since you would
| have used it long enough for this to be a concern.
|
| exporting your data is great, but it's only the beginning.
| For example: I can export my data from twitter too. It
| doesn't mean I still have a functional way to share short
| text thoughts, or the history of them, with their responses
| linked to other user's accounts or functional way to show
| all my tweets with a tag or or or ...
| groby_b wrote:
| And the flat files are IIRC markdown, so it works just fine
| for long term archival.
| stfwn wrote:
| Cool! I really like the (upcoming) idea of watching your own
| online profiles on HN and such for upvotes and saving those
| pages. It's essentially what I already use those upvotes for in
| my head, but not what they are in reality.
| etherio wrote:
| Yeah I'm really excited about that idea of building a digital
| garden based on the stuff you enjoy online AND your notes.
| djhworld wrote:
| Pretty cool.
|
| Instead of elastic search you could also use SQLite5 with its
| full text search support.
| ainiriand wrote:
| I was absolutely coding exactly the same pet project. This one is
| so much better than mine!
|
| Kudos. Very good job.
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