[HN Gopher] Kube Dooom, Kill Kubernetes Pods Using Id's Doom
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Kube Dooom, Kill Kubernetes Pods Using Id's Doom
Author : nfrankel
Score : 103 points
Date : 2020-10-05 18:47 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| k__ wrote:
| Half-OT:
|
| Do you think that a 3D environment can in some way be(come) a
| better GUI for development/operations than the 2D stuff we have
| now?
| untog wrote:
| We sort of already have a 3D environment: windowing systems.
| But every IDE I've used in years instead uses tabs. Perhaps
| something of note there.
| kevinmgranger wrote:
| I'd love to see some exploration of how VR could be used past
| the idea of "you have infinite monitor space now".
| k__ wrote:
| I think, the problem with programming is that it's
| essentially 1D text arranged a bit on a 2D space.
|
| So 2D programming isn't really a thing. That's probably why
| 3D isn't a thing either.
| SahAssar wrote:
| That's only true if you don't consider the context that the
| code lives in. For example coloration in editors could be
| considered a visualization of additional dimensions of info
| (syntax, types) and autocompletes are like a branching
| "time-like" dimension. Besides that code mostly tries to
| solve problems that can be represented and show visually.
|
| The need exists, how to turn that into a solution with a
| useable interface that I'd use for multiple hours a day is
| beyond me though.
|
| For me Bret Victor's talks point to this problem where we
| treat code as something we only interact with as text but
| it can be so much more: https://vimeo.com/36579366
| https://vimeo.com/64895205
| SketchySeaBeast wrote:
| That's really all I ask. I doubt very much that any movement
| in virtual space is going to be as efficient as a keyboard
| and mouse, so just let me see everything and call it a day.
|
| Relevant community commentary on the potential ridiculousness
| of VR interfaces: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4FGzE4endQ
| [deleted]
| Rebelgecko wrote:
| An IDE that takes advantage of depth could be kinda cool.
| Imagine if every level of indentation resulted in text that
| appeared to be further way. It would be best to discourage
| spaghetti code by making it physically uncomfortable
| can16358p wrote:
| That would be pretty cool though. Imagine coding on VR
| goggles on, and you move your head forward to "zoom in" to
| the code, with some eye tracker built into the goggles,
| move the cursor, and code. Using physical head gestures for
| navigation, if done correctly, has great potential.
| t0astbread wrote:
| There was an interesting post that touched on that topic a
| while ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24162703
| outworlder wrote:
| > Do you think that a 3D environment can in some way be(come) a
| better GUI for development/operations than the 2D stuff we have
| now?
|
| There's a whole new dimension to work with. Working with it is
| optional. In principle I'd say yes.
|
| That assumes we've found ways to efficiently use the extra
| dimension, including visualizing and interacting with it.
| dec0dedab0de wrote:
| I think being able to stack things that would normally be a sub
| menu might be interesting. it would need something better than
| a mouse though.
| westoncb wrote:
| I was working on a 'visual debugger' that centered around a 3D
| display of data structures evolving in time[0], and learned
| some lessons from it.
|
| I would say the key thing is to understand the specific
| properties that differ when adding another dimension.
|
| The main thing you gain in terms of expressing information, or
| in terms of designing an interaction scheme, is another axis on
| which you can 'analyze' your problem: this is a generalization
| of the basic idea you see with a 3D data plot vs 2D. This 3rd
| dimension is a new element of the 'syntax' of your UI, which
| can be made to map to a specific concept in your program.
|
| So then the question is: does the problem you're trying to
| solve have a matching structure that would be clarified by
| having an additional axis to map its visual representation on
| to?
|
| Additionally, the property that caught my attention initially
| was about using 3D space + human visual processing to define an
| information prioritization scheme: 'depth' into a 3D scene is
| is a natural, ready-made system for indicating priority:
|
| Objects nearer to the camera (less 'depth'), occlude further
| objects. Further objects have their (projected) size reduced as
| a function of their depth, and are often darkened as well. All
| this adds up to a convenient/flexible way of talking about
| priority (from the programmer's perspective) and a natural way
| of reading priority (from the user's perspective).
|
| That's the theory anyway: my experience with it was a mixed
| bag, and at least for my specific project, when I've thought
| about how I'd do things differently now I think I'd just stick
| with 2D--at least to start with.
|
| There are a lot of more unsolved problems that show up when
| thinking about UI in 3D, possibly because the design space is
| larger, but certainly at least because it's less explored. And
| the number of possible ways things can go wrong, or at least
| considerations needing to be made, from both programming and
| design standpoints, is also significantly larger in my
| experience.
|
| [0] http://symbolflux.com/projects/avd
| 1MoreThing wrote:
| I thought it was a pretty compelling idea when I first saw it
| in the original Jurassic Park movie, even if that was a
| metaphor for "hacking."
| k__ wrote:
| When I was 10, I imagined the internet was like a first
| person 3D game and the police would have to hunt hackers by
| running after them in the virtual world.
| can16358p wrote:
| This reminded me of being around the same age, and thinking
| that if me and a friend is on the same webpage we would see
| each other on screens in the browser window somewhere.
| cl0ne wrote:
| The "unix system" from Jurassic Park was a real application
| made by SGI.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fsn_(file_manager)
| boogies wrote:
| All of
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_manager#3D_file_managers
| look interesting, particularly
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_System_Visualizer reminds
| me of s3dfm and looks like it might be mildly useful, unlike
| tdfsb(6), which is a bit fun to use in a large directory of
| images (though that takes surprisingly long to load), but has
| little use beyond that.
| xwdv wrote:
| Yes, for three dimensional data visualizations and especially
| three dimensional visualization that can be seen changing over
| time.
| k__ wrote:
| There are many 2D viz tools for IaC that fall short, because
| a cloud resource can have too many connections to other
| resources.
|
| That is, too many for 2D, but in 3D the connections wouldn't
| even cross each other.
| dang wrote:
| We took Show HN out of the title because the project author
| appears to be someone else. Show HN is for sharing your own work:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html.
|
| If you're storax and I got that wrong, please let us know at
| hn@ycombinator.com and we'll put it back.
| desktopninja wrote:
| Ooooh. Will the future have Kube Doom Eternal? Kube Crysis 3?
| Kube (Mortal) Kombat XI?
|
| Infrastructure As Games to make it all fun again.
| simias wrote:
| I'm not sure those are ever going to be open sourced
| unfortunately.
| zapita wrote:
| Reminds me of Docker Doom:
| https://github.com/GideonRed/dockerdoomd
| auggierose wrote:
| I'm not into DevOps, but that might have just changed.
| throwaway888abc wrote:
| Call it DevOPS
| themodelplumber wrote:
| Other Doom-related news: An Amiga Doom clone is coming along
| nicely after years of Amiga users wanting more Doom :-) (The
| video has some interesting technical details)
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgEpnRxx5Fc
| woolcap wrote:
| Reminds me of http://psdoom.sourceforge.net/, from way back when,
| using 'Doom' as an interface to manage Linux processes.
| WraithM wrote:
| Looks like it's a fork of a fork of psdoom
| CalRobert wrote:
| Doom's staying power might be the most remarkable thing about
| this. I can't find it, sadly, but I still vaguely remember a PC
| Magazine article around 1994 about a Doom mod that would run on
| Unix and delete files in a similar manner.
| bsharitt wrote:
| You might be thinking of psDoom, which let you kill processes.
| http://psdoom.sourceforge.net/
| joshmanders wrote:
| Which this kubernetes version is a fork of a fork of
| tingletech wrote:
| there was one for files too, but I remember it becoming
| popular closer to 96 or 97
| theginger wrote:
| should add grenades that drain nodes
| x87678r wrote:
| This is awesome. I like the idea to of virtual conferences on
| GTA, there is a lot of potential for turning work into better
| experiences.
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