[HN Gopher] iPhone 12 Event [live]
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iPhone 12 Event [live]
Author : tosh
Score : 325 points
Date : 2020-10-13 16:54 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| balls187 wrote:
| The shade at Fortnite was hilarious.
| ryeguy_24 wrote:
| I honestly was waiting for them to say Fortnite to surprise the
| industry but yes thought that was really funny too.
| smusamashah wrote:
| Same design as iPhone 4
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| Lost Fortnite, got League of Legends. Apparently.
| d3nj4l wrote:
| MagSafe is sweet, and I think it's a smart move for Apple to
| launch it this year in preparation for the anticipated "portless"
| iPhone. By the time they do that, the MagSafe ecosystem will be
| ready for it, and people won't complain as much about getting the
| phone right on the charging pad.
| djsumdog wrote:
| It would have been sweeter if it was regular USB-C, so we're
| not contributing to the massive piles of e-waste generated by
| their continually changing proprietary adapters.
| dkonofalski wrote:
| They have literally had 2 adapters for the entire history of
| the iPhone. "Continually changing" is flat out wrong and
| changing it to USB-C on the other end would support the
| opposite point you're making.
| colejohnson66 wrote:
| But if they switched, you'd be creating waste anyways; you'd
| need to throw out your lightning cables and replace them with
| USB-C...
| triceratops wrote:
| People usually have USB-Cs lying around anyway. Macbooks,
| Chromebooks, many monitors already use them. So do many
| Android phones.
| ValentineC wrote:
| If waste really was an issue, Apple could do better and not
| use crappy insulation for their Lightning and MagSafe
| cables.
|
| I buy 3rd party cables _because_ I know the cables will
| eventually fail in a year or two.
| jackson1442 wrote:
| ...you mean the Lightning adapters that have been in use
| since the iPhone 5 and would be thrown out upon the switch to
| USB-C?
| riteshpatel wrote:
| If you know anything about cameras and low light photography, the
| sensor shift OIS is a HUGE deal, especially combined with an
| f/1.6 lens. Instant purchase!
| chki wrote:
| Very impressive technology: With those 4GB per second download
| speeds I can use up my entire month of data in 250 milliseconds.
|
| On a more serious note: what technology advancements will there
| be in the next 10-20 years that actually make 5G technology
| useful?
| pi-rat wrote:
| It will become cheap enough (both hardware and subscription
| wise) that companies can include them in basically everything.
| That way you can't prevent your TV from uploading data to the
| mothership by not connecting it to wifi.
|
| It's not a consumer technology.
| atonse wrote:
| I am hoping that SOME TV manufacturer SOMEWHERE follows
| Apple's lead and markets a privacy-conscious TV as a feature.
| I have never bought a smart TV (I last bought a plasma 12
| years ago), so I have managed to somehow skip the whole
| smartTV thing. And I'd like to continue avoiding it.
| conductr wrote:
| I doubt this will happen but I'm sure there will YouTube
| videos on how to eradicate your tv of this plague
| mgkimsal wrote:
| we've got one and have never used it for anything other
| than plugging in the laptop via hdmi. it just happened to
| be a decent deal and nice picture - the "smart" aspect was
| completely ignored.
| powersnail wrote:
| I have a feeling that the concept of TV will be phased out.
|
| There will be iPhone, iPad, iOS-based computer, iDesk,
| iWall, and finally, an iHouse.
|
| You wake up to a big ceiling made out of ceramic-enhanced
| scratch-resistent glass screen, which artificially has
| emulated sunrise, so your experience of waking up is
| natural and absolutely amazing. Siri greets you, plays you
| a song, and while you brush your teeth, calmly tells you
| about your day, which is of course planned by an
| intelligent algorithm powered by the latest A42 neural
| chip.
|
| Bacon is crispy, and eggs are tender. What a breakfast
| prepared by iChef! Not to mention the special sauce that is
| part of your weekly gourmet discovery program. Just savory.
|
| The wall is playing you your morning news.
|
| "What day is it today?" asked Siri, cheerfully. "It's Apple
| Event's day!"
|
| Phew, for a second there, you thought Siri has asked you a
| real question. Turns out it's just rhetoric.
|
| The new A43 chip is going to blow A42 out of the water. The
| trade-in program is amazing.
|
| You look around the house, and the iWall looked bleak. The
| screen contrast-ratio on iChef is lacking. Your iToothbrush
| doesn't have a speaker as booming as the one in the
| advertisement.
|
| "Hey, Siri. I'd like pre-order the new iHouse package!"
|
| "Of course. Do you want to enroll in the trade-in program
| to exchange your current iHouse with a discount."
|
| "Yes, please."
|
| "Done."
|
| A month later, the trade-in team has taken away the iHouse,
| yet the new iHouse isn't there. There has been a delay; the
| iHouse was supposed to be transported by the Pixel
| automatic railway, but Google just cut the project last
| week, so everything is stuck in warehouse for now.
|
| "Damn it!"
|
| You cursed, reflected, and walked into a Samsung shop.
| dmonay wrote:
| THANK YOU.
|
| I don't think I've commented here for years, but had to dig
| out the login credentials for this one.
|
| I recently spent 20 minutes looking at TVs on Amazon
| because the NBA finals were happening and I figured it
| might make sense to finally get a TV. Every damn TV I saw
| either had Alexa built right the eff in or it was Alexa-or-
| some-such enabled.
|
| It's frustrating. I'd like to have a "smart" TV because
| having Youtube, Hulu, Netflix or Spotify on it is fairly
| useful, but the divide between smart and dumb TVs is now
| too large, with nothing sensible in the middle.
|
| I'd definitely pay extra for a privacy-oriented TV, but I
| fear that a handful of privacy nerds willing to pay 20% or
| even 50% premium is not enough to offset the economies of
| scale and make this a reasonable proposition for any PM at
| any existing TV manufacturer to bring up.
| neuronic wrote:
| Every single smart TV I have owned was complete and utter
| garbage and I am a tech person who carefully reviews what
| they buy.
|
| I went with a Sony for the display tech but dear God is
| AndroidTV hot garbage. Interfaces, UX, everything
| terrible. Worst of all are the $20 main processors used
| in these things. They feel as if they're run on a 2007
| BlackBerry.
|
| The lackluster solution is to get a TV box (AppleTV,
| Xiami stuff...idk) but why is that even necessary.
| leadingthenet wrote:
| If you have to ask why, the answer is usually always
| money.
| laurent92 wrote:
| Buy a computer screen + the $100 AppleTV module. At least
| Apple is privacy-serious, and you get Netflix-Hulu-
| Youtube. It doesn't give you a classic tuner though.
| mikkelam wrote:
| Arguments like these have been argued since dial up :) Probably
| longer. Don't worry, it won't be a problem for consumers
| nikanj wrote:
| Mostly it's only a problem for North American consumers.
| Customers in the EU and Asia get true unlimited data for a
| pittance.
| toephu2 wrote:
| Not really, unlimited data for cell service is not common
| in China.
| whoisburbansky wrote:
| Wirth's Law, applied to networks? Ad-filled javascript bundles
| will expand to take up as much bandwidth as you give them
| llampx wrote:
| Just looking at "mobile-optimized" web pages from now
| compared to a few years ago proves this in spades.
| ricardobeat wrote:
| > what technology advancements will there be in the next 10-20
| years that actually make 5G technology useful?
|
| Real-time 3D/VR video streams. I think this will start
| happening immediately after release since the Pro models have
| LiDAR. Expect weird, interesting things to happen in games and
| streaming.
| Traster wrote:
| There was a lot of talk about how the number of sensors on
| autonomous vehicles meant many gigabytes of data per minute
| would be produced and transmitted by 5G back to servers to help
| train the systems. I'm not sure if I actually believe that, but
| that's certainly what people were claiming.
| jonplackett wrote:
| The claims are even more dumb, that it enables automimous
| cars by connecting them - would you let a car drive you
| around if it required a mobile connection to work properly?
| Nope. Note that Elon Musk / Tesla nor any other self driving
| car uses anything of the sort. It all needs to be running on
| the car. And they're managing to do self driving already
| without any 5G. For uploads you can just wait til the car is
| home and use the wifi, or slowly (though not that slowly
| really) upload with 4G.
| conductr wrote:
| I think this is a futurist persons painting a sexy picture.
| In reality, it would be cool if - as we slowly approached a
| self driving world- the vehicles could relay real time road
| conditions to the cloud. This of course would enable the
| vehicle to be aware of upcoming road conditions. It's not
| so much that the internet connection is doing the driving
| but it could aid it. Something simple like potholes. They
| show up after a rain and get fixed a few weeks later (if
| you're lucky). If the car knew there was a pothole ahead
| and knew to drift to the left portion of the lane to avoid
| it that would be nice. The vehicle wouldn't have to do real
| time jerky swerve reaction because it knew it was coming.
| Maybe next month a vehicle notices the pothole is gone, the
| cloud forgets about it. Something like this is the
| practical use of IoT on the roads.
| jonplackett wrote:
| Yeah that would be great - but the point is it in no way
| needs 5G. Putting a flag in the map where there are some
| potholes can be done with 3G.
| Foivos wrote:
| 5G in the case of self driving cars is meant to have an
| auxiliary role. For example, it may warn surrounding cars
| for pot holes or even notify instantly of a sudden
| breaking.
| Bud wrote:
| You're off by an order of magnitude, because it's a max speed
| of 4Gbps. Not 4GB/sec. Bits and not bytes.
|
| Your overall point is still valid, though. Most users will get
| essentially zero benefit from this and data caps or throttling
| will kick in hilariously quickly.
| izacus wrote:
| The theory here is nice, but who here on HN does actually get
| good unthrottled speeds on 4G now? Will carriers just magically
| stop throttling 5G after they sell it?
| leadingthenet wrote:
| I get unlimited, unthrottled LTE + 5G for PS24/month in the
| UK.
| pi-rat wrote:
| Most non-americans probably? :)
| bydo wrote:
| I get ~100mbps at home over LTE, which is the same as my
| cable connection.
|
| Edit: In the US.
| jeroen wrote:
| A few days ago I downloaded a 4.8GB MacOS update over a 4G
| connection. That took 25 minutes, which is an average of 3.2
| MB/s. My provider claims 30 Mbit/s, so that is pretty
| reasonable.
| llampx wrote:
| That's great and all, but that would leave me with 0.2 GB
| of data for the rest of the month (Germany). Great now I
| just have to disable downloading of pictures and videos in
| Whatsapp.
| zfnmxt wrote:
| I had unlimited data from O2 in Germany earlier this
| year. It was something like 55 euros/month without a
| contract.
|
| In Denmark, I get unlimited data for 18 euros/month. I
| don't have a wired connection; I just use my phone as a
| hotspot.
|
| (Both were really 1TB/month before throttling and not
| truly unlimited.)
| amluto wrote:
| The next big JavaScript framework.
|
| The original iPhone was 2.5G and could load webpages just fine.
| But when a modern iPhone only has a 2.5G connection, it's
| useless. All we need to make 5G critical is for webpages to
| start being 500+ MB for basic text plus all the associated ads,
| trackers, and other important features.
| coldpie wrote:
| > All we need to make 5G critical is for webpages to start
| being 500+ MB for basic text
|
| I see you've never used GitHub before.
| snazz wrote:
| I just measured 1.36 MB total transfer for a full reload on
| GitHub.com. Five avatars were cached in memory; their total
| size was under 1 MB.
|
| I'm using Safari 14.0. Do you have any measurements (maybe
| on another browser) that show GitHub serving particularly
| large pages?
| coldpie wrote:
| It was just a cheap dig, but try combining this page
| https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton/issues/2907 with
| this extension
| https://github.com/findepi/user.js/blob/master/github-
| expand... to expand all of the missing comments. You'll
| get a lot of xfer for what is effectively just some
| plaintext.
| snazz wrote:
| Okay, that is a valid point. There's clearly a lot of
| unnecessary overhead with the expand button in issues.
| vel0city wrote:
| A good chunk of the data transferred in that issue for me
| are images, not plaintext. Lots of screenshots of the
| videogame.
| Waterfall wrote:
| Tinfoil hats, cancer treatment, self driving cars or perhaps
| platoons for highways, smart homes that are easily hacked,
| wireless low powered implants that cause benign tumors that sue
| a tech company into bankrupty, but the shell company opens
| another 5g implant company.
| JoshGlazebrook wrote:
| 5G unlimited on verizon is actually not deprioritized after any
| GB amount.
| frogpelt wrote:
| Yet.
| ls612 wrote:
| They'll likely have to change that if for no other reason
| than someone will use their plan to run some servers using
| many TB/mo of data or something crazy. Like how MS needed to
| cap "unlimited" OneDrive because a few people were storing
| 100TB of system images.
| emrehan wrote:
| It's 4Gb/s for Gigabit
| agd wrote:
| Think AR glasses constantly updating with new 3D data as you
| walk around town.
|
| E.g. Apple are rumoured to be working on their own AR glasses
| for release within the next couple of years.
| arcticbull wrote:
| 5G is for the cell carriers not the customers. Towers can
| simultaneously transmit to a certain number of clients at a
| time, so if you can get latency down and bandwidth up, you can
| service effectively more clients in the same period of time.
| With that said clients benefit too since they can shut down
| their power-sucking radios sooner. Think of it like turbo boost
| for CPUs: it's all about racing to get the link to sleep.
| vbezhenar wrote:
| Gotta counter that with few JavaScript timers continuously
| checking for new ads every 200 ms.
| packetlost wrote:
| This isn't strictly true, consumers will benefit with better
| signals and less slowdowns in dense areas such as sports
| stadiums.
| chki wrote:
| Thanks, that sounds very useful indeed! I had only heard
| about impressive download and upload speeds so far but this
| makes a lot of sense.
| SwiftyBug wrote:
| 5G also enables internet of things to finally happen.
| sbierwagen wrote:
| Is that a good thing?
| audunw wrote:
| Do you mean LTE-M? Is that considered 5G?
| Foivos wrote:
| Both LTE-M and NB-IoT are considered technologies of the
| 5G family. Technically they are way simpler versions of
| LTE, but they can coexist with "normal" 4G and 5G. A 4G /
| 5G base station can allocate part of its radio resources
| to these mobile technologies. In the future, with slicing
| this allocation can even be dynamic.
|
| Most of the times, when people discuss how 5G will serve
| "massive machine type communications" they refer to LTE-M
| / NB-IoT.
| brianwawok wrote:
| So like, my toaster can finally get hacked?
| karakot wrote:
| so like like your appliances will be dumping usage data
| 24x365.
| jrobn wrote:
| I hate conspiracies but I honestly think the IoT concept
| is an extremely terrible idea and perhaps even a cultural
| and societal nuclear bomb.
| ativzzz wrote:
| IoT is much more useful for business than consumer use.
| For instance adding tons of sensors to expensive
| equipment like a fleet of trucks.
| tachion wrote:
| Not if it runs NetBSD.
| foepys wrote:
| I don't actually want to live in a world where everything
| with a battery is connected to the internet.
|
| We all know that the manufacturer will stop updating the
| firmware after a few months, leaving botnets to pick them
| up.
| Nextgrid wrote:
| Has the network ever been a problem or bottleneck for the
| deployment of IoT, or is it just yet another bullshit
| buzzword pushed by the telecoms industry, similar to
| remote surgery/telemedicine? Most current IoT is using 2G
| cellular modems and seems to be fine with it given that
| the majority of devices don't need high bandwidth and the
| carriers themselves are not rationing the amount of SIMs
| that can be active, suggesting that there's plenty of
| capacity left too.
| randomsearch wrote:
| The reason IoT hasn't completely taken off yet is simply
| because it's still developing as an industry. There are
| lots of open questions about maintenance and architecture
| and how cloud IoT services should work. As it becomes
| more commodified it will become widespread.
|
| [edit - noticed sibling post... "smart toasters" etc
| total BS nonsense, but IoT for business will be
| transformative]
| audunw wrote:
| It's not about network speed, it's about the power
| requirements, range and iSIM.
|
| With LTE-M (not sure if it's considered 5G, but it's a
| new LTE standard being rolled out at the same time
| anyway) or NB-IoT you can have devices using way less
| power to stay connected to the internet, and the range
| can be very impressive too. Of course, the bandwidth is
| also very low. But that's OK for things like tracking
| devices (they're making reindeer trackers in Finland) and
| basic smart watches.
|
| With eSIM or iSIM you can also make the device smaller
|
| > is using 2G cellular modems
|
| I think carriers really want to discontinue 2G
| eventually. It's really inefficient. They've already
| dropped support for 3G around here.
|
| I'm guessing it's also way more power hungry than
| LTE-M/NB-IoT
|
| Can you make something like this with 2G?
| https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/airbolt/the-airbolt-
| gps
|
| I don't think so...
| conductr wrote:
| I'm a layman on this topic but watching the Apple video
| it sounded like 5G has higher power requirements than
| LTE. He even explained how it switches between them to
| conserve battery. LTE when you don't need speed and 5G
| when you do.
| Foivos wrote:
| Do not be confused. These technologies are very different
| to the 5G technology (called "New Radio") the new iPhone
| and 5G phones in general are using. They are designed
| around using as little energy as possible and maintaining
| connectivity in very difficult conditions to the expense
| of speed and latency.
| dylan604 wrote:
| The demo stated that iOS will only use LTE by default and only
| kick in to using 5G when it needs it. It will be interesting to
| see how it makes that decision.
| dijit wrote:
| Small phone! Finally!
|
| Not as small as I would like, but I'll take what I can get. I've
| been clinging to my 5SE for years and they stopped allowing me to
| renew Apple care a couple of months ago. :/
|
| "a phone that easily fits in the palm of your hand" is a phrase I
| legitimately scoffed at, what are phones if not handheld devices?
| riantogo wrote:
| I feel we need to talk about the charger. It is not included in
| the box. The reasoning is that we have our chargers from previous
| iPhones. But those white boxes all take USB-A. The included cable
| is USB-C. Never mind, I will just use the USB-C charger from
| other devices. But wait... the cable that comes in the box is
| USB-C male and those adapters from other devices don't take USB-C
| (either fixed cable, or USB-A, or non-standard female port).
| btgeekboy wrote:
| Seems like those who need it will just pick up some of these:
| https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B079LYHNSR/
| riantogo wrote:
| That is how you dent the "premium" perception you have built
| over several decades. You don't want your users buying $1500
| phones and then having to search the web for solutions and
| pick up $5 converters off Amazon. You could have easily
| included one in the box.
| roboyoshi wrote:
| I was wondering about those while watching the keynote, but
| now that I see the price of 10$ I think most people would
| rather buy a cheap USBC charger at 10$ instead of an adapter?
| dont__panic wrote:
| Seems especially frustrating for folks who are upgrading from a
| non-iPhone with a non-USB-C wall wart. If you're unfortunate to
| end up in that situation and you don't have a laptop with
| USB-C... you literally _won 't be able to charge your new
| iPhone_.
|
| Especially worrying because I don't have a personal laptop with
| USB-C or any USB-C wall warts. I have a lot of friends who
| don't have any USB-C gadgets at all. Kids who finally get old
| enough for a phone will be in for a rude awakening.
| riantogo wrote:
| Not just non-iPhone users. I have been on iPhone since it
| first came out. Last upgrade was 2.3 yrs ago. All the wall
| warts I have from past iPhones are USB-A.
| wlesieutre wrote:
| Finally time to replace my SE. Pretty happy with 4.5 years for a
| smartphone lifespan.
| dont__panic wrote:
| I've replaced my 2016 SE's battery once through Apple ($29
| battery lawsuit program) and once myself ($29 and an hour of my
| time, via iFixit). So the whole phone cost me something like
| $460 over 4.5 years.
|
| I'm looking at the 12 Mini.
|
| - It doesn't have a headphone jack, so I'll have to buy an
| adapter to use my chonky set of headphones with it.
|
| - Apple phased out TouchID, and my state is experiencing it's
| worst-ever COVID numbers currently. So I'll just have to enter
| my passcode whenever I'm wearing a mask now, which is something
| like 40% of the time.
|
| - It comes with a lighting<->USB-C cable, but not a wall plug.
| I don't have any USB-C wall plugs. Am I supposed to only charge
| this thing off my work laptop, or should I buy a $20 USB-C wall
| plug from Apple? My current lightning cable is fraying 4.5
| years in so I need a replacement.
|
| - The phone is advertised at $699, but it's actually $730 if I
| want to use it on non-Verizon/non-AT&T (I use Google Fi). Huh?
|
| - 64GB is the same storage size as my current SE, which is just
| a little too small for me to store local Spotify songs (lots of
| trips in the mountains with crappy signal) and podcasts. So
| I'll have to step up $50 for the 128GB version if I want this
| to last me any reasonable number of years.
|
| So I can either use my current SE, which is still treating me
| great... or I can cough up $780 + tax for the phone + $20 for a
| wall wart + $20 for a headphone adapter. So like $900 total.
|
| Maybe I'll pass on this one.
| mikepurvis wrote:
| I'm still rocking a first-gen iPhone SE as well-- I actually
| picked it up a few months ago for next to nothing, second hand
| with a smashed screen, and swapped the screen from my former 5S
| to it. Happened to get double the storage along the way, as
| well as iOS 13 compatibility for my country's Covid exposure
| app. As a device, I love that it's small, and it having cost me
| very little means that I'm not nearly as paranoid about losing
| or breaking it.
|
| And the screen swap/upgrade experience was great too-- so much
| so that I expect my next device (in a year or two) will be the
| iPhone 8, with the explicit intention of doing a similar
| upgrade down the line to the 2nd gen SE.
| uxp100 wrote:
| Yes, my touchscreen is behaving strangely now, and I had a
| battery replacement along the way, but I also got 4 years out
| of my SE
| abhishekjha wrote:
| Now that you mention it, I got 3 years with my SE today with
| one battery replacement. It is not holding much charge
| though.
| wlesieutre wrote:
| I've had one battery replacement and really need another if
| I were to keep using this. It's back in the "degraded
| performance" mode where the processor throttles peak
| performance down because if it tried to draw as much power
| as it wants, the battery can't keep up and it spontaneously
| turns off.
|
| Going from this to a 12 may be a bit of a shock, but it's a
| modern camera that I'm more excited about than anything
| else. And having enough RAM to switch between more than two
| apps without them having to relaunch all the time.
| jkestner wrote:
| Just got my wife's original SE its third screen. I freaking
| love that this product has been around long enough that parts
| and labor for a new touchscreen are $49.
| wlesieutre wrote:
| An even more affordable option is to not break the screen
| ;)
| strogonoff wrote:
| Nice to see the old angular frame[0], but disheartening to not
| see no LCD model. I have avoided OLED so far since I can spend a
| lot of time looking at my phone's screen in low light and I'd
| rather not deal with PWM.
|
| I had hopes for Touch ID comeback (IIRC Apple has a patent for
| fingerprint reader integrated in phone body or screen), but oh
| well.
|
| [0] Although it was much better when power button was on the top
| --in all modern iPhones on/off can be easily mistaken for volume
| up/down by touch.
| AgentEpsilon wrote:
| I feel like I'm going insane. On every single model revealed
| today, there is a differently-colored patch on the right side of
| the phone, below the power button. _What is it?_
|
| It's not the SIM card slot - that's on the left side. It's not a
| new TouchID sensor - the website doesn't even mention it at all.
| And yet it exists in every single render.
| richardwhiuk wrote:
| No, the SIM card slot is on the right hand side.
| AgentEpsilon wrote:
| Check the renders. The sim slot is on the left side.
| noahtallen wrote:
| You're totally right. I just assumed it was SIM because
| that's where it is today! I wonder what it is now
| hobofan wrote:
| I think that's part of their antenna?
| AgentEpsilon wrote:
| This seems like the most likely answer. Disappointing how
| different the color is if that is the case.
| dont__panic wrote:
| I kept thinking it was the SIM card slot earlier in the
| presentation, but from what I've read on Reddit it sounds like
| it's part of the 5G antennae array.
| djsumdog wrote:
| I had a friend who had every single iPhone release. She'd
| immediately buy the new generation when it came out.
|
| You know what I really want to see, more than any of this gitter
| and glam and a few features here and there? A real, actual
| campaign to reduce e-Waste. I way out of this bullshit, constant
| consumerism mess. How many more wars have to be fought, and
| people repressed, to continue the machine that gives us more
| machines?
|
| Apple has so much money at this point. What are they even going
| to do with more? How about you do something that's actually
| innovative Apple: Officially open all the hardware specs,
| bootloader keys and what you can legally release of device
| drivers for iPhone 1-7. Maybe even contribute some code to get a
| DarwinBSD booting by itself on those devices; letting developers
| add on new layers.
|
| How about something that will actually end the cycle of factory
| sludge, toxic waste and human toil that goes into each new
| generation of shiny new product.
|
| I'm sick of these releases. Give me something fucking upgradable,
| fixable and usable. Give me something that's thicker and bulkier,
| but that I can take apart myself and fix.
|
| I'm in the minority though. The rest of the planet is okay with
| this. Their advertising has made people even more okay with this,
| so they'll just keep selling us this crap, until we've extracted
| every last resource the Earth can give.
| applehater wrote:
| I agree, it's absurdly overhyped. I mean, it's just a phone at
| the end of the day, no need for all this cult capitalist
| nonsense that goes along with some functionally minor
| improvements.
|
| And with their huge wealth, Apple has such an opportunity to do
| some actual good in the world but, really, does fuck all.
| jimbob45 wrote:
| Just give me back the headphone jack please. Nothing since the
| iPhone 8 has been worth getting for me since they removed the
| jack.
| [deleted]
| jblakey wrote:
| I really wish the Apple presenters would stop waving their
| arms... since I noticed they were doing it, I can't stop seeing
| it:)
| psim1 wrote:
| Every presenter is doing the Donald Trump hand movements: those
| open-handed "push" movements and then fingertips of both hands
| brought together.
| mttjj wrote:
| Wait until you notice that everyone's Apple Watch is set to
| 10:09.
| [deleted]
| DonaldPShimoda wrote:
| For context: watchmakers have often used 10:10 for marketing
| materials because it's symmetrical and it doesn't obscure the
| brand logo, which usually goes below the 12 position. Apple
| uses 10:09 probably because they want to be "ahead" of
| everybody else.
|
| Similarly, iPhones are all set to 9:41 in marketing materials
| because that's the approximate time Steve Jobs introduced the
| first iPhone back in 2007.
| wmf wrote:
| The main reveal is around :40 in almost all Apple keynotes.
| The iPhone Pros today were at :46.
| saagarjha wrote:
| Not for keynote speakers; this is only for promotional
| content.
| mttjj wrote:
| Look at the watches on the wrists of the speakers in the
| first 15 minutes of the keynote. They are all set to 10:09.
| saagarjha wrote:
| Well, yeah, because the event started at 10 so it's
| actually around that time...
| mttjj wrote:
| You realize the event wasn't live, right? And Tim's watch
| clearly shows 10:09 the second he shows up in the video
| which was 10:01 at the latest "real time".
| saagarjha wrote:
| I know it isn't live, and it shows because they've been
| sloppy throughout. Check out his watch at the 20 minute
| mark, it's way off.
|
| In general, Apple's presenter's watches (and demo
| devices) show the local time for live events, and they
| tried to do that here but obviously didn't do a very good
| job.
| Zenst wrote:
| You have a point, now wondering if there was some some memo
| akin to - pretend you are landing a plane as many appear to be
| doing just that with their arm flail.
| [deleted]
| supernova87a wrote:
| Did you also notice that everyone wears white shoes when on
| that auditorium stage? I wonder how many other dress code-
| related tips or requirements every presenter is given?
| coverband wrote:
| Watching this right now (10:33 PDT)... What impresses me most is
| Akamai's capability to deliver this HQ stream seamlessly.
| winrid wrote:
| Looks nice. My wife was waiting for them to remove the notch. I
| wonder how long she'll have her 6s :)
| ahnick wrote:
| I noticed that the new iphone 12 has a f/2.0 aperture telephoto
| lens whereas my existing iphone XS has a f/2.4 aperture telephoto
| lens. What are the implications of this?
|
| I always understood that for a telephoto lens you wanted the
| f-stop number to be higher, so that the image is clearer since
| the subject is at a greater distance. My gut instinct is that the
| iphone XS/XR lens might capture a sharper initial image, but
| maybe the final product won't be as good as the newer lens do to
| all the processing being done by the phone? Perhaps a bigger
| diameter on the telephoto lens is better for night mode shooting,
| so more light is being captured? Hoping someone more
| knowledgeable than I can weigh in. :)
| acomjean wrote:
| as others have said, the lower the f stop the more light the
| lens lets in. lower is almost always better, (But makes lenses
| bigger and heavier). The amount of light halves as the f stop
| goes up, but its in steps. 1.4/2/2.8/4/5.6 . so the difference
| is about 1/2 stop, not huge.
|
| As you close the lens iris (the f stop # goes up) you get more
| of the image "in focus", so focus doesn't need to be as
| precise. But you'll need a minimum shutter speed so moving
| objects in the frame don't blur.
|
| wikipedia has a good photo example of this.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depth_of_field#Effect_of_lens_...
| hgo wrote:
| A lower f-stop number means that the aperture is bigger
| (relative to the focal length), such that it let's in more
| light. This has several subjective benefits: more light can be
| used for shorter exposure time or lower ISO (sensor gain) each
| leading to a sharper image. Also, it creates a shallower depth
| of field or "more blur" which separates the subject for a more
| pleasing picture. (This may be irrelevant on sensors as small
| as on a phone, which counteract shallow depth of field
| effects.) It may reduce the image quality if the lens of of
| lower quality, as it is more expensive to build large-aperture
| lenses.
| terramex wrote:
| Lower f-number means that lens captures more light and has less
| depth-of-field (more blurred background and foreground). For
| small sensors like in iPhone DoF is huge anyway and planes
| separation has to be faked in post-processing. In general less
| f-number is better.
| mullingitover wrote:
| > I always understood that for a telephoto lens you wanted the
| f-stop number to be higher, so that the image is clearer since
| the subject is at a greater distance.
|
| You want the lowest f-stop number possible for telephoto, so
| you have more available light hitting the sensor. This allows
| you to get a higher shutter speed. The higher shutter speeds
| compensate for the exaggerated shake you get from the longer
| lens.
| ahnick wrote:
| If this is the case, then can we infer that the iphone 12 pro
| has a slightly better telephoto lens than the iphone 12 pro
| max? (The max's f-stop is listed as f/2.2)
| mullingitover wrote:
| The lens is better, yes, however the sensor on the pro max
| is significantly larger, so I think it's basically a wash.
| centimeter wrote:
| > I always understood that for a telephoto lens you wanted the
| f-stop number to be higher,
|
| I suspect you are confusing f-stop (ratio of aperture diameter
| to focal length) and focal length ("zoom").
|
| Also the f-stop marketing is annoying to me - the f/2.4
| aperture on an iPhone lens is probably equivalent to like f/22
| on an FF lens for most purposes.
| andrewstuart2 wrote:
| The aperture doesn't _necessarily_ have a theoretical effect on
| image quality, though it will certainly impact the depth of
| field, and will be shallower at higher focal lengths for the
| same f-stop. Also, in practice, due to impurities and
| imperfections in glass and other inefficiencies, there will be
| effects, though they can definitely be managed and are always
| trade-offs. Usually with aperture it 's well worth it to
| increase the aperture.
|
| What you'll find with professional glass lenses, with variable
| apertures, is that sometimes you do need to decrease the
| aperture (higher f-stop) to get the sharpest possible image
| from the lens. At wider apertures you're collecting more light,
| from closer to the edges of the glass, at higher refractory
| angles, travelling through more glass, and thus sharpness goes
| down. The other side of the aperture though, aside from DOF, is
| that it lets more light through, so you will also get more
| flexibility in general on trading off proper exposure time vs
| motion blur, which is great for low light handheld photography.
|
| I would expect for mobile lenses, though, since they know it's
| a fixed aperture, they've done their best to mitigate those
| effects, aside from the fact that your DOF is definitely fixed
| since there's no variable aperture on your phone camera lens.
| Honestly the only way to know for sure is wait for somebody
| like DPReview to run the camera through their test suite and
| get some objective numbers/photos to see what, if any, impact
| there is from the wider aperture.
|
| A DOF calculator can be a helpful resource to get a gut feel
| for the relationship between the various inputs that affect
| DOF. e.g. https://www.photopills.com/calculators/dof
| ksk wrote:
| I'm due for an upgrade and the mini seems to be a really nice
| option. As an aside, does anyone know what the current
| limitations are in making a completely sealed weather-proof
| phone?
| onida wrote:
| Bring back touch id.
| andreygrehov wrote:
| https://www.apple.com/iphone-se/
| jedberg wrote:
| One thing I hate about real estate listings in the USA is a lack
| of floorpans.
|
| I hope this new lidar sensor is quickly followed by real estate
| agents using it to create floorpans.
| aYsY4dDQ2NrcNzA wrote:
| I've been waiting for autogenerated floor plans ever since this
| photo-based approach was announced:
|
| https://youtu.be/UBORpapdAfU
| insickness wrote:
| No 4k 240 fps video, as people were saying it would have. That's
| disappointing. I hate having to decide between the two whenever I
| shoot action shots.
| whatever1 wrote:
| Huge miss to not have touch id in a era of a raging pandemic. I
| literally have not used the face-id once outside my house since
| March, because I always use a mask, so I have to type in my
| password. Which I had to revert to an unsafe 6 digit one from my
| 12char alphanumeric that I had until March.
| onedognight wrote:
| What's makes this even more frustrating is that they just came
| out with Touch ID in the power button foe the iPad Air, so they
| could have put both on the phone.
| samatman wrote:
| Sure is.
|
| Problem is that Apple just isn't nimble enough to do anything
| about it. Everything important about these phones was set in
| place before there was a pandemic.
| christoph wrote:
| They're bringing back MagSafe for iPhone... can we have it back
| for the laptops please?
| lenitabinol wrote:
| With USB-C, unfortunately not
| jonplackett wrote:
| It's pretty dumb to call it magsafe. With a laptop it really
| did keep your laptop safe from getting pulled off a desk when
| you got up to get a coffee and walked through the cord like an
| idiot.
|
| What exactly is 'safe' about this? It's just... mag.
| jayflux wrote:
| > It's pretty dumb to call it magsafe
|
| It's called marketing and brand recognition. Most people
| won't care it's not a literal description of how it works,
| but they will have heard of MagSafe before and get the
| general idea.
| hrktb wrote:
| Lightning cables break if the phone falls at a weird angle or
| if you pull while twisting on the weakest side.
|
| I thing the "safe" monicker is still warranted.
| jonplackett wrote:
| I mean, it used to cost you a $2000 laptop. Now it costs
| you maybe $10, and only if you're really unlucky. I'd say
| it's a push.
| kwanbix wrote:
| I cannot understand that huge notch.
| [deleted]
| minimaxir wrote:
| Accessories are also up. MagSafe charger is $40, 15W max:
| https://apple.com/shop/product/MHXH3AM/A/magsafe-charger
|
| The clear case ($50) looks kinda neat though, since third-party
| support for MagSafe may be sporadic:
| https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MHLM3ZM/A/iphone-12-12-pr...
| kace91 wrote:
| These creative video transitions are soo much better than live
| events with awkward cheering and applauses...
| tosh wrote:
| the transition to Tim reminded me of Fraggles
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NygtPyTIkto
| flobosg wrote:
| Don't miss Maciej Ceglowski's livetweet:
| https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/1316073622184718336
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| Well... MagSafe is back.
| ciarannolan wrote:
| Do people still watch these live?
|
| I find them really hard to watch. It's about 95% fluff and
| bullshit and 5% about the technology. I usually just read the
| bullet summary afterwards.
| roboyoshi wrote:
| I started watching the keynotes with 2 tech friends when I was
| like 16 years old and as we grew older (am 27 now) they are the
| only events across the year where we sit down, talk a bit about
| tech and make fun of all the stupid bullshit in the keynote.
| dilap wrote:
| Watched for a little bit, gave up. I used to find them very
| interesting back in the Jobs era, but now they're pretty
| boring. I think partly it's just because the tech is maturing
| so there's less exciting stuff to show, but it's also
| definitely down to a much less crisp presentation style.
| [deleted]
| dustingetz wrote:
| People need to feel like something substantial has happened so
| they can talk and get excited about it. Look around at the
| impact it's having!
| jedberg wrote:
| I have it on in the background. I'm triaging email at the same
| time.
| ehsankia wrote:
| I have zero interest in Apple, never owned one since the very
| first iPod mini, but I still find their marketing department to
| be fantastic. These virtual keynotes also have amazing
| production quality.
|
| I do agree the talking parts could be maybe 50% shorter though.
| fomine3 wrote:
| It's exciting just because video quality is excellent than real
| live event.
| jl6 wrote:
| I guess it's good to add 5G to the baseline feature checklist so
| that I can use 5G when it rolls out in my city in 3-5 years time,
| but I don't see it as a headline feature unless carriers use it
| to provide much cheaper data plans (haha).
| spaetzleesser wrote:
| Does anybody know how the 2 lens setups perform vs the 3 lens
| setups? I like the size of the Mini but I also want to get a good
| camera. I have a mirrorless camera with big lenses for tougher
| things like wildlife or night.
| janhenr wrote:
| The League of Legends x Apple announcement is bigger than people
| might think. I 100 % believe that this is the start of a massive
| shift from pc/console to mobile which we have seen before in
| China. In fact, it is clear from this announcement that iPhone IS
| considered a console now for Riot. Huge stuff.
| smiley1437 wrote:
| I have a sneaking suspicion that this is partly why Epic made
| such a big move trying to put an Epic store on IOS (to the
| point of sueing Apple).
|
| They managed to get Fortnite to run at 120FPS on Ipad Pro just
| this March and probably realized that high performance gaming
| on IOS is here and will only get better as CPU\GPUs improve on
| mobile, and sued Apple by August.
|
| What better way to monetize your immersive, high performance,
| addictive game when it's in everyone's pocket all the time ie
| no need to sit at your console or PC.
| pier25 wrote:
| > _In fact, it is clear from this announcement that iPhone IS
| considered a console now for Riot_
|
| IMO the only thing clear is that Apple wanted to promote LOL
| because of all what's going on with Epic.
| hobofan wrote:
| I think you might have it reversed. I think the LoL
| announcement is mostly catering to the LoL playerbase (which is
| mostly located in China) rather than a great ploy to steal PC
| gaming share.
|
| Separately from that, its pretty interesting how obviously
| faked the "playing" of LoL in the video was, in an presentation
| that is otherwise so focused on attention to detail.
| ehsankia wrote:
| Well they couldn't tout Fortnite so they have to now focus on
| another big game :)
| minimaxir wrote:
| Note that LoL for mobile was announced a long time ago (IIRC it
| was supposed to be out by the end of the year normally)
| bustin wrote:
| It's not the start of a massive shift. You'd be surprised what
| the gaming spending per platform breakdown looks like - phones
| are a MASSIVE chunk, and growing by far the fastest.
|
| I don't have the numbers on me to back this up but maybe
| someone else can fetch them.
| umeshunni wrote:
| The rule of thumb when it comes to sizing gaming audiences
| is:
|
| - Mobile: Billions
|
| - Console: 100s of millions
|
| - PC: 10s of millions
|
| In other words, a decent mobile game (not Fortnite or LoL,
| but something like Among Us) can get 100s of millions of
| users, a good console game can sells 10s of millions of
| copies and a PC game can sell millions of copies.
| gruez wrote:
| >- PC: 10s of millions
|
| According to one source[1], steam alone has 95 million
| monthly active users. Not every pc gamer has steam running,
| so actual PC gamers are definitely in excess of 100
| million. By comparison, ps plus and xbox live have 103 and
| 90 million monthly active users respectively. I'd say that
| PC and console gaming are within the same order of
| magnitude.
|
| [1] https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/357726/Steam_brough
| t_in_...
|
| [2] https://www.playstation.com/en-us/corporate/press-
| releases/2...
|
| [3] https://www.statista.com/statistics/531063/xbox-live-
| mau-num...
| llama052 wrote:
| 10's of millions of PC gamers? I think you're off by a huge
| margin. I believe DFC reported that there's over a billion
| PC gamers in the world in 2020. It's a billion dollar
| market in itself.
| andruby wrote:
| 1 in 8 humans is a PC gamer? That can't be right.
|
| Most people are too young or too old. Most live in low-
| income. Most don't have the time or interest to game.
|
| Even between my friends & family, I'd say less than 10%
| is a PC gamer. And I'm a 30 something male in a high
| income country.
| bobnamob wrote:
| What you might be missing is the huge popularity of
| netcafes or pcbangs in south east asian and chinese
| demographics.
|
| Afaik the vast majority of chinese/south korean/SEA
| LoL/Fortnite players play from a netcafe
| 734129837261 wrote:
| What an annoying presentation. They try to make 5G look like it's
| invented by Apple by labeling it "innovation". No, Tim Apple,
| it's Qualcomm who made that chip. You just had your hardware team
| build it inside the phone.
|
| The screen, same deal. A fancy name for technology that's been
| around for a while. Nobody will really see the difference between
| the screen on an iPhone X and iPhone 12, but hey, it's a sales-
| talk.
|
| Speaking of 5G, they're trying to sell us onto the idea that we
| need it. We are still dealing with relatively low bandwidth caps
| from our providers, and nobody in their right mind is going to
| use 4GB/s to do... anything. Do they expect us to willy-nilly
| download games of 4GB on the go or something?
|
| 5G is technology for the providers and their benefactors, not for
| us the comsumers.
|
| On to the CPU. It's faster. Great. It was already industry-
| leading fast. I respect processing power as something amazing and
| I'll respect this improvement for what it is. Great job. Not too
| impressed because I wouldn't use it myself, but it's nice.
|
| Then Touch ID, wow I'm so happy they reintroduced it last-minute
| during this pandemic where we all wear masks when out and about.
| What's that? They didn't include Touch ID? You mean their
| superior technology that is pretty damn amazing and convenient to
| serve NEXT TO Face ID isn't there even though they could have?
|
| Yikes.
|
| Well, at least the announced 120Hz for the Pro Max and 90Hz for
| the smaller Pro model was nice. Hm? They didn't do that either?
| Oh. They're still stuck on 60Hz while the competition is
| delivering phones for half the money doing all of the above since
| about a year ago?
|
| Yikes.
|
| MagSafe, though. Now that is quite nice! Not even kidding. They
| invented magnets at Apple, like, whoa I'm going to assume that
| the magnetic connection will allow you to charge the phone and
| ALSO transfer data! Wild assumption, huh?
|
| The case with a spare pocket for the Apple Pencil was a nice
| touch, though, especially now the iPhone 12 supports it. That's
| also a lie. I'm lying. They did not do that.
|
| At the very least they're good for nature and such. No more
| charger and earphones! As a result the price has gone down a
| whopping $300 across the field, with a respectful nod to the
| people who are struggling in these dire times.
|
| That, too, was a lie. They did no such thing.
|
| It's another iPhone X. Nothing new here.
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| Actually, that MagSafe is really cool. The fact that you can
| basically stick your iPhone anywhere magnetically is awesome.
| hobofan wrote:
| Even though "Android had it X years ago" is mostly a meme by
| now, I can't resist: The Nexus 5 had magnets that automatically
| aligned it on a Qi charging dock 7 years ago.
| wmeredith wrote:
| Eh, I mean Apple's entire business has been to do what others
| are doing, but 10x better.
| shortstuffsushi wrote:
| Here's an even easier one, Apple had them as early as 2006!
| But then pulled them, even though everyone loved them... and
| now are reintroducing it as new
| GloriousKoji wrote:
| Oh! Oh! Oh! I want to play. The Palm Pre had a magnets to
| align wireless charging 11 years ago.
| mitch3x3 wrote:
| I absolutely loved my palm pixi for this reason in 2011.
| Had to wait 6 years for wireless charging again...
| frogpelt wrote:
| The Palm Pre looked very interesting. I wanted one.
| Unfortunately, it didn't have the panache that Apple's
| products have.
| mmastrac wrote:
| I forgot about that! The Palm Pre series was amazing. WebOS
| itself was questionable but the hardware was some of the
| best in the 2000s.
| djsumdog wrote:
| I had a Palm Pre .. didn't have the wireless charger
| though:
|
| https://battlepenguin.com/tech/every-cellphone-i-have-
| ever-o...
| hobofan wrote:
| I was sure that the Nexus 5 was probably not the first one,
| and someone was going to come along to provider older
| examples :P
|
| I was surprised that the iPhone didn't already have it in
| the last generation, given that accurate alignment is a
| well known problem with wireless charging and magnets are a
| well known solution. Maybe they kept it back on purpose
| just to have a new feature for this release and/or sell
| another round of charging accessories.
| geek_at wrote:
| of course it's posted by tosh :D
| dang wrote:
| Related URLs:
|
| https://www.apple.com/iphone-12/
|
| https://www.apple.com/iphone-12-pro/
|
| Also: don't miss that there are multiple pages of comments in
| this thread. You can get to those by clicking More at the bottom
| of the page--or do it like this:
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24767378&p=2
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24767378&p=3
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24767378&p=4
| whoisburbansky wrote:
| Is 5G rollout in the US really comprehensive enough at this point
| to deliver on any of the promises they're making about it at this
| event?
|
| [Edit: found this benchmark from a month ago:
| https://www.tomsguide.com/features/5g-vs-4g] basically looks like
| Verizon delivers on the promised speeds, but it still isn't clear
| to me what the spatial distribution of the higher speeds looks
| like.
| sushicalculus wrote:
| I have an iPhone11. My phone says it connects to 5G already, so
| I'm actually confused by this launch. Why would iOS tell me I'm
| connected to 5G? I'll be honest that I'm unfamiliar with this
| space
| tenebrisalietum wrote:
| Telecom companies renamed some 4G networks 5G because they
| technically fall within the standard.
| coder543 wrote:
| 5Ge is a marketing term AT&T invented as a rebrand of 4G LTE.
| It isn't 5G, but it's probably faster than real 5G for now.
|
| https://arstechnica.com/information-
| technology/2020/09/atts-...
| Nextgrid wrote:
| Apple deserves to be shamed for this one, as they
| implemented a feature that essentially allows carriers to
| lie and display whatever network technology icon they want,
| instead of displaying the true status as reported by the
| network interface.
| huslage wrote:
| This is a part of the standard, nothing really Apple can
| do about it.
| soylentcola wrote:
| I got stuck trying to explain (without being the annoying
| "well, actually" guy) why my SO's phone wasn't screwed up
| when switching from ATT to a different carrier.
|
| Because on the old SIM it said 5G dammit! Now it only says
| 4G so how is that not slower??
| Spooky23 wrote:
| AT&T defines LTE with better back haul as "5G". It's BS.
| tootie wrote:
| No. But they probably sell enough iPhones to rich people in big
| cities that it's justified.
| coder543 wrote:
| No. This article also discusses Verizon, not just AT&T:
| https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/09/atts-...
| paul7986 wrote:
| 5G phone with no 5G to use and the carriers have been working
| on 5G for the past 3 to 5 years?
|
| Verizon just announced they are expanding today their 5g in
| three US cities... yet in reality there isn't much 5G now in
| those cities they mentioned.
|
| Pointless marketing by all!
| macintux wrote:
| I think the 3 cities are the 5g mmWave technology; Verizon's
| general 5g coverage is much broader than that.
| vosper wrote:
| It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation, isn't it? By
| getting the chipsets out in the phone they're at least
| solving the chicken part. Plus, iPhones are usually supported
| for a good 5 years, so this is a bit of future proofing for
| people who buy today.
| jimmar wrote:
| I live in a midwest city with a population around 25,000. We
| won't see 5G for a long, long time. We need signal that goes
| farther, not faster. 4G is still being rolled out to more rural
| areas. 5G is a feature I'd rather not pay for.
| ryneandal wrote:
| 200k city here, don't see it happening any time soon.
| tpmx wrote:
| They say here (from within the past 15 mins):
|
| https://www.globenewswire.com/news-
| release/2020/10/13/210785...
|
| > Verizon 5G Nationwide service is available today to more
| than 200 million people in 1,800 cities around the US.
|
| I'm sure there's some trickery going on here, though?
| protomyth wrote:
| available in 1,800 cities doesn't mean coverage in 1,800
| cities - a lot of venue coverage is being counted
| stevehawk wrote:
| There's a lot going on there like "5G service in city X!"
| where they really mean "we have an antenna mounted at the
| ballpark to cover a high density use case."
| tpmx wrote:
| Sure. But at this point even just one 5G base station
| each for 1.8k cities/towns is a pretty decent step up.
| planejane9 wrote:
| 70,000 city here. 5G pole went up outside my window last
| week. Tried to get the pole moved but not successful :(
| toast0 wrote:
| > We need signal that goes farther, not faster.
|
| 5G can potentially help with that when deployed on existing
| spectrum, because increased transmission rates reduces
| airtime utilization, and some cells adjust their range based
| on utilization. It might not help much, depending on current
| utilization and terrain and what not, but it'll probably help
| some, and I imagine carriers will do gradual deployments of
| that to lower density areas when there's enough handsets that
| support it and base station equipment is cost reduced enough.
| I don't think it's going to be fast, but I don't think it'll
| be on the long, long time scale.
|
| Of course, 5G on the new high frequency spectrum is unlikely
| to be useful in low density areas, and is unlikely to be
| deployed. Also, I think AT&T has plans to declare their LTE
| coverage to be 5G :P
| foobarian wrote:
| Are the speeds really that important or are they already good
| enough? Any time I try to do something substantial over
| cellular I wish for either better coverage or lower latencies
| (oh, the latencies... even with great signal strength)
| ghaff wrote:
| It depends on whether the higher speeds let you use mobile in
| conditions where WiFi/broadband is flaky or unavailable. But,
| I agree in general that is a bigger problem in more rural
| areas and that's where mobile range is more important as
| well.
| Rebelgecko wrote:
| on TMO, 5G speeds are basically the same as 4G but I've that
| the 5G is actually a bit more pervasive
| Alupis wrote:
| So now, a $1k iPhone comes standard with LiDAR sensors - but Musk
| still claims they're too expensive and cumbersome to use in self
| driving vehicles that cost over $40k.
|
| Maybe someone will be eating crow tonight.
| chorsestudios wrote:
| The LIDAR sensors used in vehicles are specialized for a
| different purpose and are expensive. Its not a very fair
| comparison to an iPhone LIDAR sensor
| marcinzm wrote:
| Amazingly, LiDAR that can roughly map a 10ft room and LiDAR
| that can accurately map 500ft of road may actually cost
| different amounts.
| Alupis wrote:
| It's more of, you can now put usable LiDAR sensors in a
| package as small as a phone, and so cheaply that it doesn't
| impact the final sale price of said phone...
|
| That, and every other AV company is using LiDAR sensors...
|
| But, Musk has doubled down, tripled down and more on this. So
| much so, I doubt he could come to his senses one day without
| a big PR nightmare - after all, they've been telling folks
| their car has all the hardware for fully autonomous driving
| for the past 5+ years.
| abhiminator wrote:
| >Across the iPhone family, we're removing the power adapter and
| EarPods that often go unused, but including the fast-charging
| USB-C to Lightning cable that most people need. That shrinks
| packaging, and more boxes per shipment means fewer shipments
| overall. We're also transitioning our manufacturing partners to
| renewable energy. Altogether, this eliminates over 2 million
| metric tons of carbon emissions annually.
|
| Looks like Apple will start a trend by manufacturers of _not_
| including power bricks with their devices.
| actuator wrote:
| I sure hope not. Unlike most people, I upgrade my phone in 3-4
| years, so by that time even my adaptor is worn out. I would not
| wish to spend more for one if I don't get any reduction in
| phone price.
| lotsofpulp wrote:
| I have never had or heard of a USB wall plug adapter
| "wearing" out in over a decade. How vigorously and/or
| frequently must one plug and unplug to cause this?
| aviraldg wrote:
| There are two reasons I haven't switched over from Android. I
| wish Apple would try and fix them:
|
| * The lack of a way to move Whatsapp messages between platforms.
| (They'd just need to allow Whatsapp to use Google Drive for
| backup on iOS)
|
| * The lack of (physical) dual-SIM.
| jammmety wrote:
| Can't vouch for it, but there is software available that helps
| with your first issue:
| https://mobiletrans.wondershare.com/whatsapp/transfer-whatsa...
| ValentineC wrote:
| This only works to convert WhatsApp data from iPhone to
| Android, but not the other way around.
|
| I don't understand why WhatsApp won't let their iOS version
| access a chat backup from Google Drive.
| podviaznikov wrote:
| I think they have iCloud backup for whatsapp
| [deleted]
| DangerousPie wrote:
| The first one sounds more like a WhatsApp issue than an Apple
| issue, doesn't it?
| graeme wrote:
| I switched from android whatsapp to ios years ago and still
| have all the messages. I don't recall how I did it, but it is
| definitely possible unless whatsapp locked things down.
| ActorNightly wrote:
| For me its
|
| * all phones go obsolete in about 2 years and there is no
| reason paying $1000 for one when I can buy one 80% as good for
| half the price.
| yepthatsreality wrote:
| You'll never get Apple fans to understand that. They will
| happily toss a $1000 Apple's way for a new unrepairable
| device to be created with rare earth metals in China, shipped
| across the ocean on a freighter and then turn around and tell
| you that paying more for a charging cable is helping save the
| environment.
| lotsofpulp wrote:
| I don't see them investing in physical dual sim when the future
| is e-SIM.
| Nextgrid wrote:
| eSIM gives way more control to the carriers which is not a
| good thing. I can take out a physical SIM, move it to a
| different phone, bring it abroad, lend it to someone, etc and
| the carrier has no say in that.
|
| With an eSIM, once it's provisioned onto a phone it can't be
| "extracted" and getting a new one involves the carrier, which
| can say no or make the process difficult/annoying, even if
| unintentionally.
| jdofaz wrote:
| I remember $10 ESN change fees, I too do not welcome eSIMs
| dreamer7 wrote:
| They do have physical dual SIM for certain markets. Ex: China
| juusto wrote:
| Problem solved: moved to china (I jest)
| ValentineC wrote:
| I'm in Singapore. Some mobile phone stores here bring in
| the Hong Kong versions of the iPhones, which have physical
| dual SIM too.
|
| I specifically searched for and bought the physical dual
| SIM version of the iPhone 11 Pro, because most of the MVNOs
| here still don't support eSIM.
| Nextgrid wrote:
| Does the Chinese dual-sim iPhone have any restrictions or
| downsides compared to a US or EU model? I might consider
| it as my next step if I can let go of the iPhone 8 and
| its fingerprint sensor.
| ValentineC wrote:
| I just looked through my iPhone's emoji keyboard and it
| doesn't have the Taiwan flag:
| https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-08/apple-
| pul...
|
| If I used it with any regularity, I could probably work
| around it with a keyboard shortcut.
| Nextgrid wrote:
| Which region are you in and which region is your system
| set to? I always thought things like this were determined
| by which region you select when you set up the phone (or
| something similar like detected via GPS/network instead
| of being bound to the hardware itself).
| ValentineC wrote:
| Singapore, with Singapore SIM cards.
|
| I have nothing that links to Hong Kong or China, so it's
| probably implemented by identifying the different phone
| model number of the dual SIM iPhone.
| [deleted]
| lucasverra wrote:
| The new speaker does not play Spotify (or the Icon was clearly
| not there)... I thought we were over this Apple :(
| zepto wrote:
| That's on Spotify.
| strombofulous wrote:
| Source?
| oflannabhra wrote:
| Apple opened up HomePod to third party services this
| summer, through an official SDK. A lot of people are
| jumping to conclusions based on the lack of a screenshot.
|
| Spotify has been pretty slow to pick up new features (iOS
| widgets, watchOS app, etc).
| kitsunesoba wrote:
| Yeah, Spotify's pattern has generally been:
|
| 1. Demand some integration point on appleOS to be opened
| up
|
| 2. Drag their feet on using it once Apple makes it
| available
|
| 3. Roll said integration out almost silently when they
| finally implement it
| Puts wrote:
| OMG, can you imagine all the magnetic stripes on credit cards
| that will be corrupted by the MagSafe?!?!?
| youareostriches wrote:
| Especially given that people will store their credit cards
| inside the stick-on leather sleeve held directly against the
| magnet.
| xyst wrote:
| Can we talk about the hypocrisy of the recycling segment given
| that Apple is a known adversary of the "right to repair" bill?
|
| All of this "net-zero" talk yet they have a system in place that
| makes it prohibitively expensive to repair slightly damaged
| devices (ie, bad battery) out of warranty. So, consumers are left
| to live with the problem, pay for the cost of the repair which
| ends up costing about 1/2 to 3/4 of a new phone, or just buy a
| new phone.
|
| Of course, people could go to a third party repair facility, but
| Apple doesn't provide these businesses with the replacement parts
| and software to fix their phones. In one case, the display
| hardware identifier is tied to the "True Tone" feature and
| changing the display will result in this feature not working. In
| another case, the TouchID is hardcoded to the device and can only
| be reset by Apple techs, otherwise the Touch ID feature no longer
| works.
|
| I like Apple products in general, but this is one of the few
| cases where Apple can do better.
| tupputuppu wrote:
| Relatively I've understood that iPhones are still more
| repairable than Samsungs and other Android, based on ratings
| from companies that rank these (can't find a link on my phone)
| ksk wrote:
| Apple chokes the repair shops by banning other companies from
| selling them parts. Even if Apple devices are more repairable
| (companies find other ways to source parts, schematics),
| Apple is actively working against the right to repair
| movement.
| Polylactic_acid wrote:
| Apple started out as fairly repair hostile while Androids
| were relatively repairable. Now most android phones are
| sliding more and more towards glued together bricks while
| iphones are mostly the same to the point where most android
| devices are actually harder to repair.
|
| I took my Pixel 2 in to a store for a battery replacement and
| the person told me that there is a chance the screen will
| shatter when they remove it. If a person with all the tools
| and training can't reliably replace the battery something is
| seriously wrong. Apple might be doing a lot of things
| horrible but they are the only ones who actually have a store
| in my area and offer repairs on their own devices.
| Wh1zz wrote:
| True that the screen will be toast if trying to replace the
| battery, but I replaced both myself on my pixel (1) for
| PS37.
| Polylactic_acid wrote:
| This is the reason I switched to an iphone this year
| after 10 years on android. Everything I loved about
| Android devices is dead and they are now while at least
| Apple respects privacy.
| rvense wrote:
| Maybe Samsungs are no better, but compared to a Fairphone
| it's quite obvious that Apple doesn't prioritize
| repairability in any meaningful way.
| pier25 wrote:
| That was my thought as well.
|
| Also let's not forget about the 100k functional devices Apple
| sent to recycling and wanted to remove from the second-hand
| market.
|
| https://9to5mac.com/2020/10/01/apple-catches-electronics-rec...
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24663718
| nikolay wrote:
| Not using USB-C. Again!
| wildchild wrote:
| Bunch of cunts and faggots.
| davidiach wrote:
| I remember the days when people were saying LiDAR will never be
| cheap enough for regular cars.
|
| Now it's on smartphones.
| whoisburbansky wrote:
| Wait, so it's still Lightning but they include a USB-C to
| Lightning adaptor?
| pi-rat wrote:
| What happens to metal objects (like keys, etc) in your pocket now
| that your phone is a giant magnet?
|
| I assume the iphone is always magnetic, judging by the magsafe
| wallet?
| smiley1437 wrote:
| It's obvious - your magsafe iphone becomes part of your
| keyring! GREAT...
|
| Knowing my luck, the phone will pull my keys out of my pocket
| and hold on JUST long enough for them to fall into a sewer
| grate
| read_if_gay_ wrote:
| Zero photos where you can actually see how thick the bezels are
| on the 12 Pro's product page. Guess it's safe to assume it'll be
| pretty disappointing considering how much they talked about
| thinner bezels.
| slacka wrote:
| I HATE thin bezels. I actually returned my Galaxy S10 because
| palm-misclicks dove me crazy. After 19 days of practice and
| different grips, random clicks didn't get any better.
| lucasmullens wrote:
| Apple might be better at detecting if it's your palm or an
| intentional tap. MacBook trackpads are great at detecting
| palm vs finger, so I wouldn't be surprised if the iPhone does
| well with that too.
| shadowgovt wrote:
| It's kind of fascinating how subtle the math and
| engineering on this sort of thing is.
|
| I can't stand how, after this many decades of iteration,
| the Lenovo ThinkPad still mis-comprehends accidentally
| brushing against the trackpad while you're typing (and the
| form factor of the whole keyboard / trackpad combo does one
| no favors unless one touches the keyboard like a hook-
| handed monster).
| andmarios wrote:
| In Linux this is a solved problem by a very simple
| measure. The gestures (click by tapping, scrolling) are
| turned off while you type for a short period of time
| (around 300ms) after each key-press. It works
| surprisingly well and I've never noticed the trackpad not
| working when I need it too.
| vermilingua wrote:
| That _far_ from solves the problem. Your workflow might
| never require using the keyboard and trackpad
| simultaneously, but for the majority of users, this
| "simple measure" is a never ending source of pain.
| Toutouxc wrote:
| I have -- attempting to play Minecraft on a touchpad, or
| just multitasking real quick. While not a huge problem,
| macOS does it better and the simple measure is just that
| - a simple measure.
| bluecalm wrote:
| One thing I dream of and will never get is a Thinkpad
| without a trackpad. Just remove it, give me bigger
| keyboard, keep the track point and its buttons. I disable
| the trackpad anyway but it's still annoying just being
| there and crippling the keyboard functionality.
| selimnairb wrote:
| I disagree. The aircraft carrier sized trackpads of the
| recent MBPs continues to register errant clicks for me.
| They are just way too big.
| trackpadlover wrote:
| So, just to give you data on the other side of the curve:
| the very large trackpads are basically the only reason
| left (keyboard now sucks, magsafe is gone) for me to use
| a MacBook Pro.
|
| Should I in the future revert to Linux as a day-to-day
| driver, it would probably be conditioned on similar-level
| support for the (even larger :-D) Magic Trackpad
| peripheral.
|
| So I guess this is one of these things where YMMV
|
| Edit: FWIW I'm a touch typist with relatively small
| hands. Maybe this has to do with it. I cannot remember
| accidentally triggering the trackpad ever since... I
| can't remember the last time, it's been at least half a
| decade.
| msisk6 wrote:
| Yeah, I especially like it when I'm in the middle of a
| long email and some sort of click with my palm happens
| and it deletes most of what I've been typing. Just
| happened to me today. Be nice if there was a way to
| totally deactivate the trackpad if you were using a mouse
| or something.
| r00fus wrote:
| https://osxdaily.com/2017/01/05/disable-built-in-
| trackpad-ma...
|
| My 10yo MBP's trackpad glitches so I do exactly this to
| keep it usable for kids light usage.
| xnx wrote:
| Would thicker case help this problem?
| dang wrote:
| (We detached this subthread from
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24768339.)
| bonestamp2 wrote:
| I can see where the screen ends and the bezel begins on the
| compare page. Turning up your screen's brightness and/or
| contrast might help.
| Guereric wrote:
| At a certain point, does the bezel thickness matter anymore?
| Surely not to me.
| cercatrova wrote:
| It matters to me. I want as close to 0 bezel as physically
| possible.
| smadsen wrote:
| It matters to me, in the sense that I prefer to have some
| bezel left so I can actually hold onto the phone without
| accidentally pressing things on the screen.
| intrasight wrote:
| I get an extra 5mm bezel from my case ;)
| xnx wrote:
| Maybe there's an opportunity for aftermarket bezels? Bezels
| can always be added, but never taken away.
| binaryblitz wrote:
| Have you tried with an iPhone? Legit curious as I'm about
| to switch from a Pixel 2XL. I didn't think I'd like the
| giant trackpad on my MBP, but Apple does a good job with
| rejection about 99.9% of the time.
| hughw wrote:
| Now if they would please do the touch bar.
| briandear wrote:
| You're holding it wrong.
| saagarjha wrote:
| ...isn't there one the moment you scroll down?
| read_if_gay_ wrote:
| Conveniently the image on the display has a black background
| so you can't make out the bezels. Or maybe, we're being
| served different pages.
| metafunctor wrote:
| I can see it pretty clearly. Maybe turn up your screen's
| brightness?
| read_if_gay_ wrote:
| Yep, that actually made a pretty big difference. Thanks.
| oefrha wrote:
| More like you really need to adjust your monitor's
| contrast.
| olex wrote:
| Looking at specs, the 12 (and 12 Pro) has the same 6.1" screen
| size as the XR/11 did, but body length and width are both about
| 4mm smaller. So that's ~2mm less bezel all around presumably.
| jghn wrote:
| Where are you seeing this? On the Apple site they list the 12
| pro as being 146.7mm x 71.5mm whereas the 11 Pro was 144mm x
| 71.4 mm. That's a larger surface area than the 11 Pro, not
| smaller.
| olex wrote:
| I was comparing the 12 and 12 Pro to the base 11 and XR,
| not the 11 Pro. Base 11 and XR had the same 6.1" screen
| size as the 12 lineup, the 11 Pro has a smaller screen
| (5.85", identical to the X/XS and not present in the 12
| lineup anymore).
| jghn wrote:
| Ah right. I'd forgotten the 11 was smaller than the 11
| Pro.
| jedberg wrote:
| You can divine it from the tech specs page by comparing the
| screen size to your existing phone.
|
| https://www.apple.com/iphone-12-pro/specs/
| simonh wrote:
| Is the fact that wanting thinner bezels when they are 5mm wide
| != wanting thinner bezels when they are 1mm wide, really
| something that needs pointing out? Apparently so.
| swebs wrote:
| >4. iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini are splash, water, and dust
| resistant and were tested under controlled laboratory conditions
| with a rating of IP68 under IEC standard 60529 (maximum depth of
| 6 meters up to 30 minutes). Splash, water, and dust resistance
| are not permanent conditions and resistance might decrease as a
| result of normal wear. Do not attempt to charge a wet iPhone;
| refer to the user guide for cleaning and drying instructions.
| Liquid damage not covered under warranty.
|
| Shame. I was hoping they would develop a completely washable
| phone due to corona.
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| USB-C to Lightning is included. Finally.
| actuator wrote:
| I understand the value of the different phone sizes but still
| can't understand why companies are selling 64 GB models.
|
| I know we have everything in the cloud these days but with apps
| with rich assets and smartphones being more capable with cameras,
| you run out of 64 GB quite easily. 128 GB should be the baseline
| model in 2020 for any phone that costs above $600.
| kilroy123 wrote:
| I think 128 GB is still way too little.
| Slartie wrote:
| A substantial amount of iPhones are purchased by corporations
| for business reasons. They run one or two corporate apps all
| the time, which probably don't need much room anyway since such
| apps are usually designed to sync stuff with some kind of
| server in order to not have anything on the phone to back up or
| be lost in the event of a failure. Nobody shoots videos photos
| with those phones, and nobody puts music or movies on them.
| They basically need the space for the OS plus a few gigabytes
| extra; any additional space is wasted and ideally not there in
| the first place.
| Dahoon wrote:
| Most people only use their iphone for messages and phone-calls.
| saagarjha wrote:
| > you run out of 64 GB quite easily
|
| You might; I am still trying to figure out how to use my 32
| GB...
| actuator wrote:
| I seem to run out of it quite fast. Even if we exclude all
| the new app install space, a typical 64 GB phone will have
| around 50 GB usable space.
|
| 50 GB is 66 mins of 4K 60 fps video or about 5000 RAW photos.
| I understand that in a city this might be enough but consider
| if you are traveling.
|
| You will likely store songs for listening offline, you might
| not have wifi available with you to sync daily so you can't
| keep deleting your photos and videos once you have synced
| them.
| hentrep wrote:
| Does the MagSafe feature run the risk of demagnetizing credit
| cards and hotel keys?
| mullingitover wrote:
| I had a card case for my iphone and my cards would routinely
| get corrupted. I couldn't figure out why it was happening,
| there wasn't a magnet in my iPhone 4s at the time.
|
| I eventually figured out that it was happening because I'd been
| routinely laying my phone on my iPad, and the magnets in the
| iPad would, over time, murder my cards.
|
| The new phones will absolutely corrupt your cards, I don't care
| what Apple marketing says.
| mikestew wrote:
| Buried in the marketing content of their web pages somewhere,
| which I'm too lazy to go look for again, is the answer: "no".
| xGrill wrote:
| My guess is that they will say "no", but in reality, probably
| yes. My AirPods Pro case will demagnetize hotel keys fairly
| easily, especially ones that have been rewritten to multiple
| times.
| [deleted]
| tannernelson wrote:
| I really miss all the YouTube videos that would come out after an
| iPhone event with hands on and first impressions.
| jorge-d wrote:
| They just announced that the iPhone 12 will ship only with a
| lightning to USB-C cable. I don't understand why they don't
| switch from lightning to USB-C despite already using it on the
| iPads.
| balls187 wrote:
| Probably to allow more people to use existing charging cables,
| and accessories, as a way to limit e-waste.
|
| I dunno if I buy that rationale, but they certainly were
| touting e-waste as the reason for omitting the pack-ins.
| avtar wrote:
| And yet they dropped USB-A ports on all of their laptops and
| switched to USB-C on iPad...
| oflannabhra wrote:
| At Apple's scale, a decision like that has really big
| implications that from a single-user perspective aren't that
| obvious.
|
| Not only do you bifurcate your entire product line and supply
| chain, your customers are not just individuals, but families.
| Think about a family who has one new phone that now won't work
| with any of the chargers the rest of the family uses.
|
| On top of that, the new connector type won't be compatible with
| any of the pre-existing "infrastructure". While that might not
| be a big deal for some single users, it could be a major issue
| for others.
| seedless-sensat wrote:
| They have to bite the bullet at some point
| dankoss wrote:
| You mean to say they should have courage?
| saagarjha wrote:
| Perhaps not, if they move to wireless quickly enough.
| sz4kerto wrote:
| My bet is that wired charging will eventually disappear,
| you'll be able to get portable Qi charger.
| falcolas wrote:
| Gods yes. Lightning isn't bad, but it certainly complicates
| charging.
|
| I guess they're really relying on wireless -everything-
| ehsankia wrote:
| Whelp, still no USB-C or 120hz display on their top iPhones.
| wlesieutre wrote:
| Also https://www.apple.com/iphone-12/
| dang wrote:
| Thanks. I got distracted on my way to adding that one :)
|
| If you don't mind, I'm going to detach this subthread so that
| there's less noise at the top of the page.
| wlesieutre wrote:
| Sure thing
| [deleted]
| numlock86 wrote:
| They talk about 5G like it's a new and revolutionary thing. Is
| this US or iPhone specific? I am on 5G for almost a year now.
| llampx wrote:
| It is revolutionary when Apple does it.
| khazhoux wrote:
| It becomes widely adopted in the US when Apple does it.
| seanmcdirmid wrote:
| They are playing up 5G to get people to buy a 5G phone, it
| isn't an attempt to get people to think Apple just invented 5G;
| its called marketing.
| fma wrote:
| Their marketing works...Apple markets their fancy screens and
| people think they're better. But Samsung makes their screens
| and Samsung keeps the best screens for their own phones.
|
| https://www.macrumors.com/2020/05/26/samsung-
| iphone-12-displ...
| seanmcdirmid wrote:
| LG also makes their screens. Apple almost never goes with
| just one supplier unless they don't have a choice.
| Dahoon wrote:
| And LG keeps the best LG screens.
| yannikyeo wrote:
| It means US is one year behind in 5G adoption, as carrier tech
| needs Apple devices to be widely adopted in US.
| dkonofalski wrote:
| There's a difference between 5G and Ultrawide 5G. Some carriers
| in the US, for example, just rebranded their 4G LTE networks as
| 5G because the top of their speed range is above the minimum
| required speed for _actual_ 5G.
| ezconnect wrote:
| They even call shipping their phone without a charger
| revolutionary. It's Apple.
| mrDmrTmrJ wrote:
| I laughed out loud at that. Explaining the deletion of the
| charger, which is effectively a price raise, through the
| environmental angle is genius-level marketing and margin
| improvement.
|
| To be clear: I support the move and think Apple's
| environmental efforts are both sincere and meaningfully
| helpful. It's just the best, "aren't you happy we're raising
| prices!" I've ever seen :)
| adrr wrote:
| To be fair, the chargers are inferior compared to brands
| like Anker. GAN chargers are so much smaller. Apple took
| the easy way out instead of coming up with a decent
| charger.
| wlesieutre wrote:
| At least they didn't tell us how courageous it was
| ffpip wrote:
| > This is something only Apple would do, Introducing iPhone Mini.
|
| Well, you're the only company making iPhones.
| dijit wrote:
| They seem to be the only company making a small flagship phone.
|
| Ever since the Sony mini phones stopped getting updates I lost
| hope.
| akavi wrote:
| Interesting that they keep showing shots of the empty auditorium.
| You'd think they'd try to gloss over the lack of audience.
| ehsankia wrote:
| I disagree, at this point, showing that you respect social
| distancing and do things in a responsible way is actually
| something people look for.
| marketingPro wrote:
| Socially responsible but bends to multiple dictatorships...
|
| 5 star marketing
| zepto wrote:
| Obeys the law as do _all_ companies who work in those
| countries.
| marketingPro wrote:
| What laws were broken with HK? Belarus?
| zepto wrote:
| Complying with government requests to take down material
| deemed to be inciting violence against individuals is
| required in almost all countries.
|
| Can you name even one country where it is not?
| marketingPro wrote:
| "Just following orders"
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders
| marketingPro wrote:
| "Just following orders" - literal nazis
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders
| chance_state wrote:
| Not an excuse and never has been.
| zepto wrote:
| What laws have you broken in service of activism?
| jtxx wrote:
| yeah, when the Verizon dude came on they were so far apart it
| was like "oh okay we get it".
| LudwigNagasena wrote:
| Yeah, I am surprised they don't wear masks to signal their
| responsibility.
| ehsankia wrote:
| If you notice, they're either alone, or never get close to
| each other when there's two people on screen.
| donarb wrote:
| At the end of the video, they'll state that all people in
| the room (like director, photographer) are fully protected
| using PPE.
| periya wrote:
| What's the RAM on the phone I tried looking at the tech specs
| page but I can't seem to find it. Is it still 2GB?
| saagarjha wrote:
| Apple doesn't disclose RAM in their devices; sometimes they
| show up in Xcode builds though. There's a new beta out today so
| this might come out soon.
| dddddaviddddd wrote:
| Usually this only comes out when benchmarking software can be
| run on the phones. Apple doesn't disclose it.
| mikkelam wrote:
| I wish the iphone 12 mini was smaller :/ Seems like the best
| option for us compact loving people though
| ActorNightly wrote:
| If you can live with 30 minutes of battery life.
|
| Yes Im being hyperbolic, battery life at full load is going to
| suffer tremendously, especially when you consider the
| degradation of battery performance over the years.
| saagarjha wrote:
| You are aware that every iPhone form factor before the 6
| existed, right?
| Eric_WVGG wrote:
| Yes, and both the battery lives of phones and the demands
| of the OS exploded after the 6.
|
| I can't wait to get my hands on a Mini, but there's no
| doubt in my mind that the battery life will be a step
| backward. That's the trade-off.
| z6 wrote:
| The original SE actually had fantastic battery life. If I
| recall correctly, better than the larger flagship 6s at the
| time.
| dont__panic wrote:
| Yeah folks are definitely forgetting that battery life !=
| phone screen size. It's much more complicated than that.
|
| I had a 6S and I couldn't stand the battery life (or size).
| "Down"graded to a 2016 SE and the battery life was leaps
| and bounds better -- plus, it didn't shut itself off
| outside on cold days.
|
| Based on Apple's spec page, it does look like the Mini has
| worse battery life than the 12. The real question is:
|
| - how is standby battery life?
|
| and
|
| - what kind of impact does 5G have?
|
| The number's on Apple's site are a great deal better than
| the 2020 SE's battery life, so I think we might have a good
| balance here. Hopefully.
| justapassenger wrote:
| I'm pretty sure lots of people will accept their phone to be
| 5mm thicker to allow more room for a bigger battery.
| WillYouFinish wrote:
| Exactly. These thin phones are just too thin for my taste
| anyway.
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| Hold on: Minor detail, but in the video showing off what iPhone
| 12 could do, the share icon was from iOS 12 and earlier?
| kossTKR wrote:
| "The iPhone mini fits in the palm of you hand" lol.
|
| It's interesting that a reasonably sized phone is now a selling
| point in itself.
|
| In general i like keeping my devices for as long as possible - so
| when i jumped from the iPhone 6 to the iPhone 10, i was surprised
| to learn that the phone was hard to use with one hand now,
| extremely slippery and way, way heavier than my iphone 6.
|
| The mini seems like a good size for me. The Pro 12 looks
| absolutely amazing though! I usually don't fanboy but goddamn
| their product design is stellar.
| caiob wrote:
| > "The iPhone mini fits in the palm of you hand" lol.
|
| Proof that Americans will use anything but the metric system.
| Haha
| [deleted]
| odiroot wrote:
| > It's interesting that a reasonably sized phone is now a
| selling point in itself.
|
| Sony was the last one in Android world to offer it to us. Now,
| even they chickened out.
| cmrdporcupine wrote:
| Looks about the same as Pixel 3 screen (5.5" I believe).
|
| That's what I'm carrying now and it's the only reasonably
| sized phone I have had in years. I would love a 4.5" or 4"
| phone.
| iso947 wrote:
| I don't care about the size of the screen. I care about the
| width, and to a lesser extent the height.
|
| The 12 mini looks just about reasonable, will find out next
| month if it actually is.
| akvadrako wrote:
| The rumor is they'll release a new compact next year.
|
| For now the Google Pixel 4a/5 are the most compact decent
| phones you can get.
| ghaff wrote:
| I've liked the iPhone X size but I do have big hands. I also
| find that I certainly feel more secure holding with a case with
| rubberized edges. Using it in one hand is sort of important to
| me. In normal times I often have a phone in one hand and
| food/beverage in another at events. The Plus sizes have always
| felt a bit too large to me.
|
| I would have upgraded this year normally. With travel mostly
| shut down for a while though, I may end waiting another year. I
| don't need an upgrade for mostly using around the house.
| agumonkey wrote:
| marketing is absurdly relative and cyclic, smartphone sold you
| custom icons and wallpapers just like microsoft salesmen did in
| 82. Now they'll try to make small looks cool again. Wait for
| the iphone nano with only half a screen and new piezohaptic
| actuator matrix underneath.
| jon-wood wrote:
| > Wait for the iphone nano with only half a screen and new
| piezohaptic actuator matrix underneath.
|
| It's called the Apple Watch.
| suyash wrote:
| Believe it or not the 'mini' used to the the standard
| smartphone size. As it goes in America, bigger = better so that
| is what you get.
| llampx wrote:
| The bigger phones came from Asia first (not Japan, that's
| where tiny is better)
| jonwachob91 wrote:
| Believe it or not there was a real reason for bigger phones.
| They realized that most people still couldn't single handle
| the standard size smartphone, so if the majority of the
| population was going to have to use two hands the phone
| makers may as well jack the size up as much as possible to
| take advantage of the larger battery size and additional
| features.
| yunithr88 wrote:
| There is obviously a market for big phones, though it was
| always odd to me that Apple went from a normal sized (now
| small) phone to big and even bigger.
|
| There are obviously various profit motivations. Bigger phones
| are easier to throw more tech in since you're less
| constrained by physical size while also making the devices
| thinner. There was also no risk of losing market share since
| nobody makes smaller phones anymore. And lastly, most people
| still bought the product that was available.
|
| I am excited to see this return to a smaller form factor. I
| hope we can get a Pro model eventually and decouple budget
| and size.
| reaperducer wrote:
| _As it goes in America, bigger = better so that is what you
| get._
|
| The bigger phone trend actually started in Korea, and spread
| to China. It was several years before large phones came to
| the United States.
| redisman wrote:
| I believe the trend is more about people using their phones
| as their main computing device so a bigger screen is
| desirable to many. I'm still on the original iPhone SE but
| the battery is definitely on it's last legs.
| eigenvector wrote:
| It only costs about $50 USD for a battery replacement
| from an authorized Apple service provider. If you're
| satisfied with the device otherwise, a new battery will
| keep it going for far cheaper than a new device.
| tfehring wrote:
| FWIW, I just got an original SE new in the box for around
| $130 a few months ago after my last one went for a swim,
| and it came with 96% of the original battery capacity as
| reported by iOS.
|
| My goal was for it to just last me until the 12 came out,
| but I'm still on the fence about whether the better
| camera (and water resistance...) are worth the additional
| bulk.
| elondaits wrote:
| I used an original SE until my current XS. I didn't want
| a larger screen, necessarily, but UIs started making
| buttons smaller and it became harder and harder to use.
| My Airpods also work better with the XS, and I assume it
| is because the smaller size has antenna limitations
| (although I know nothing about the subject).
| jtbayly wrote:
| Several years and lots of whining about wanting bigger
| screens. Still wish there was something the size of the
| original SE.
| sharadov wrote:
| Remember the Samsung Note. My first big smartphone was the
| Samsung.
| fomine3 wrote:
| When I saw Dell Streak initially, I astonished how it
| big, but now it's just small.
| suyash wrote:
| also don't forget the ugly Android phablets
| quicklime wrote:
| From the market research I've seen, Americans were actually
| reasonably happy with the old phone sizes - the move towards
| larger phones was driven more by international (particularly
| Asian) consumers.
|
| Part of this is because a smartphone is a "primary computing
| device" in those countries, whereas Americans tended to have
| tablets, laptops and TVs as well.
| vmception wrote:
| Funny you say that, I use my X series phones without a case and
| didn't with my 6
| forrestthewoods wrote:
| Apple resisted phablets for years. When they finally released
| their first "plus" sized phone sales were through the roof.
|
| In absolute numbers there's a good market for "mini" (or
| smaller) phones. But relatively speaking it's a niche.
|
| The market has spoken! But fortunately the market is literally
| billions of smartphone users so there's a lot of room for
| variety.
| simonh wrote:
| Apple simply prioritised pixel density over screen size. Once
| they'd gone to retina resolution displays, they didn't want
| to drop the resolution to make a bigger phone and still have
| good performance and battery life.
|
| Bear in mind the 6+ was actually a bit under powered for its
| screen. While overall it was acceptably performant, mine
| noticeably lagged compared to a 6 in graphically intensive
| applications, so they did the transition just when they could
| get away with having both high resolution and acceptable
| performance.
| cromwellian wrote:
| That's the excuse they gave, but large android phones with
| retina or greater density had been shipping for ages before
| Apple.
| Bud wrote:
| It's not an "excuse". It's an affirmative choice, and it
| was the right choice, in the opinion of many.
|
| Yes, some Android devices do manage to beat Apple to
| market with various specs or features, occasionally.
| Usually in a way that is compromised, half-baked, or
| results in other issues. If you prefer that approach,
| there are plenty of Android phones you can buy and use
| for, oh, maybe 6-12 months before their version of the OS
| is permanently outdated and can't ever be updated. Have
| at.
| cromwellian wrote:
| Facts are facts, you're clearly an Apple fanboy the way
| you're responding. There were large screen Android phones
| that were running 60fps in Geekbench before Apple, so
| clearly the GPU performance and density existed and was
| shipping.
|
| Apple actively advertised (real print ad campaigns)
| AGAINST large screen phones, they said they were un-
| ergonomic and too large of a form factor to hold and use
| single handed. The company had a real psychological
| opposition resisting large screen phones and gave non-
| technical justifications for their opposition.
|
| Simultaneously, Steve Jobs attacked mini-tablets,
| claiming "7'' tablets should come with sandpaper, so
| users can file down their fingers"
|
| So let's just be clear here: Apple creates a PR narrative
| that something sucks unless they do it, even if that
| thing _categorically sucks_ (non-one-handed-use-phones,
| mini tablets). Specs don 't matter when Apple devices
| consistently had inferior performance, and now that Apple
| Silicon leads, of course specs are front and center.
|
| What's happened is, after they ship, they ret-con the
| reasons why it took so long, in order to provide an
| excuse that they had _misjudged the market_ , that Steve
| Jobs had been wrong in his intuition about big phones and
| small tablets.
| ksk wrote:
| Its a wash. Apple products also have issues, in the
| opinion of many. They're good at making flashy demos,
| I'll give them that.
| Eric_WVGG wrote:
| "relatively speaking it's a niche"
|
| It's equally as ridiculous to say "small phones are a niche"
| in 2019 when nobody was selling small phones, as it was to
| say "phablets are a niche" in 2013 when Apple wasn't selling
| a big phone.
|
| I would bet that the Mini will be a runaway bestseller.
| forrestthewoods wrote:
| > I would bet that the Mini will be a runaway bestseller.
|
| Sure. How would you like to define your bet? And how much
| do you wish to wager?
| jdeibele wrote:
| Not the parent but my daughters have refused to upgrade
| from their original iPhone SEs because all the newer
| phones are so much bigger and more slippery.
|
| Personally, I went from an 8+ to an 11 because the 11
| fits better in my pants pocket. I thought about the 11
| Pro just because of the smaller size but couldn't justify
| the price.
|
| Six months from now (after 5G gets proven one way or the
| other) the 12 Mini would be really tempting.
| agumonkey wrote:
| I think the phablet thing was a fad, people were happy to see
| more but I've heard a lot of people say they miss tiny too
| now that they've tried.
| caymanjim wrote:
| Even the iPhone 6 is too big to use one-handed, and I have
| giant sasquatch hands. I got one from work when they first came
| out, and ended up sticking with my iPhone 5. I also really
| dislike the protruding camera lens, and now all phones do that.
| The phone can't even lie flat on a surface. Bigger is not
| better. I use a Pixel 2 right now, and it's the perfect size
| for my hand. It also has a protruding lens, but with a slim
| cover, it's fine.
| boogies wrote:
| Don't some Pixels have a sloping back instead of a camera
| bump so they can lie flat?
| dont__panic wrote:
| The original Pixel 1 did, but every Pixel since has
| featured a camera bump.
| allenu wrote:
| I was genuinely confused when it was in her hand. It looked
| like a regular-sized phone or even slightly bigger than one.
| tpmx wrote:
| They had to find a huge guy with giant hands to show how
| "small" it was in the commercial segment following that part.
| Austin_Conlon wrote:
| Reminds me of when they ran an ad with Yao Ming using a
| 12-inch PowerBook:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvbuwfawqcc.
| hedgehog wrote:
| That followed the original PowerBook ad with Kareem
| Abdul-Jabbar in middle seat, middle section, coach to
| highlight how small the computer was:
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yr5jdvAhxoM
| derefr wrote:
| Phablets also fit in the palms of some people's hands. There's
| a surprisingly wide range of human variation in hand size.
|
| My larger-limbed friends used to complain about how hard it was
| to operate dinky candy-bar phones with their large fingers. And
| today, they're perfectly happy holding and tapping on a Galaxy
| S20 Ultra, presuming the display has been scaled up.
| nemetroid wrote:
| Even a 2016 iPhone SE is significantly larger than the candy-
| bars of yore, though. I have large hands (my hand span, thumb
| to pinky, measures 26 cm). I have an iPhone 7 for work, and
| while it does fit in my palm, it does so much less
| comfortably than my SE. Going even larger is a non-starter.
|
| Yes, there are people with hands large enough that phablets
| fit in them, but only if you loosen the definition of "fit".
| jansan wrote:
| Remember when they used a person with extra large hands for
| advertising the iPhone 1, so it looked smaller? If you
| consider how phone sizes have developed, it is quite funny
| IMO.
|
| This may be the Ad from 2007:
| https://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2013/04/iphone.jpg
| EGreg wrote:
| But how big is it???
|
| I waited years to get the SE2 and it turned out to be the size
| of iPhone 8. The same iPhone 8 that introduced the double-tap
| to fix the "thumb reach problem" which Apple usd to proudly
| tout for the ORIGINAL iPhone 5 and SE.
|
| https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6K3lTwGxMTk
| Nition wrote:
| The original iPhone SE (same size as the iPhone 5) would have
| about a 5" screen if it was edge-to-edge[1], and this is
| 5.4", so probably larger than the old SE and smaller than the
| new SE.
|
| [1] An old diagram I made: https://i.imgur.com/OKZiWrN.png
|
| Edit, confirmed here: https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?d
| evice1=iphoneSE&devic...
| Keyframe wrote:
| What do you mean by product design here? Tbh, I couldn't tell
| it apart from any other recent phone, let alone iphone.
| smusamashah wrote:
| It's same as iphone 4
| cmrdporcupine wrote:
| I'm blown away that 5.4" is "mini".
|
| I'd pay decent money for a 4" phone.
| jdietrich wrote:
| The diagonal screen measurement is meaningless because of
| improved screen-to-body ratios. The iPhone 12 Mini is smaller
| than the 4.7" iPhone 6/7/8, despite having a significantly
| bigger screen.
| Polylactic_acid wrote:
| Iphones always had screens that were close to the sides
| which is what really matters. The chin and forehead don't
| matter for reachability because you never had to reach
| them.
| wyattpeak wrote:
| They don't matter for reachability but that's only one
| metric. They certainly matter for, say, whether or not
| it'll fit in your pocket.
| secondcoming wrote:
| Try get a Nokia N700
| hk__2 wrote:
| > I'd pay decent money for a 4" phone.
|
| I have a 4" iPhone SE. It's great, but the web is becoming
| less and less usable as designers/developpers have larger
| phones and forget smaller screen sizes. It's common to have
| cookies/newsletter popins with a button that's too far below
| the screen, and sticky menus are the hell.
| shorts_theory wrote:
| It's also unfortunate that many iOS apps have totally
| neglected support for 4" devices and it's all too common to
| see apps in which the viewport is far too small due to
| other UI elements covering the screen (e.g. Uber and Google
| Maps).
| ballenf wrote:
| Things like that are why I don't auto-update apps carte
| blanche. Except banking and security-related ones.
|
| I really would like to automate backup of every version
| of every app I own, so that I could pick and choose which
| to install. It seems pretty doable with just scripting,
| but haven't really explored it.
| tartoran wrote:
| Same here and still a iphone SE user. Id rather downgrade
| to a flipphone than get a larger phone
| barbs wrote:
| Also an iPhone SE user, a smaller form factor is
| definitely important for me. I've actually ordered a
| Nokia 2720 flip phone. Features might be limited but
| it'll be good to have as a backup and to play around on.
| wtallis wrote:
| Google Maps has long frustrated me this way on Android,
| too. It's surprisingly unwilling to just let you _see the
| map_ unobstructed.
| madeofpalk wrote:
| Designers, developers, and users increasingly have larger
| devices.
| CoryAlexMartin wrote:
| I'd pay decent money for a 4 inch phone as well. I've been in
| the Apple ecosystem for years but decided to search for a
| current Android phone that's around that size, but couldn't
| find anything decent.
| pmarreck wrote:
| An Apple watch with LTE would likely let you make and take
| phone calls, optionally with airpods worn.
| dingaling wrote:
| Or any other smartwatch with a SIM, there are plenty of
| options.
| roadbeats wrote:
| I use Jelly, a tiny smartphone that fits the little keychain
| pocket of my running shortpants, I don't even feel it while
| running. They released a newer version of it, Jelly 2, if
| you're interested in small phones.
| nabaraz wrote:
| Curious, why not get a smartwatch with LTE?
| roadbeats wrote:
| I don't want to carry a phone in my arm :)
| pat2man wrote:
| The iPhone 4 width was 2.31 inches.
|
| The iPhone 12 mini's width is 2.65 inches.
|
| It's not insanely bigger.
| jbay808 wrote:
| (For the rest of us, the difference is 8.6 mm, or somewhere
| between the width of a pencil and an AAA battery).
| wwweston wrote:
| A third of an inch is definitely enough to affect one-
| handed reach/operation (ask anyone who's played typical
| electric vs classical guitars), but it is nice that the
| mini's part of the lineup, and I might even replace my
| trusty 5SE with the 12 mini in a year or so, depending on
| how much performance issues are starting to show for the SE
| and how annoying/easy audio and other interconnectivity is
| on the port-handicapped phones.
|
| (Yes, I know, airpod/bluetooth connectivity works well for
| your use case. No, that doesn't mean it's not inconvenient
| and maybe even product-choice-driving for other people.)
| iso947 wrote:
| Completely agree with you. I'm typing this on my trusty
| SE. Work gave me an XR back in February which I tried for
| a week, horrendous device.
|
| While the lack of 3.5mm is a drawback, the phone looks
| only a few mm wider that the (2016)SE, which feels like
| the best I'm going to get befor they EOL the SE.
|
| The wireless charging may be good enough to solve the
| clunkyness of having to have a lightning+3.5mm adapter.
| macjohnmcc wrote:
| My wife has the Se based on the iPhone 5 and I have the
| iPhone Xs Max. When I look at her phone it reminds me of
| looking in the viewfinder of a digital camera. She likes the
| size and will stick with smaller.
| glandium wrote:
| My wife has an iPhone 8 plus. Back then it was huge (cue the
| plus). Its screen is 5.5". (but sure, it had huge borders)
| kube-system wrote:
| This 5.4" phone is smaller in dimensions than the current
| 4.7" SE2.
| threatofrain wrote:
| Here's an iPhone 5 advertisement about that exact feature.
|
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af0gtsjfy7E
| robbyking wrote:
| I think I'm the only person who likes iOS's reachability
| gesture. The only annoying thing about it is sometimes it
| will trigger touchUpInside for buttons along the bottom of
| the screen, navigating me away from the screen I was on.
| throwaway894345 wrote:
| I fully agree. It's insane that Apple makes screens too big
| to use with one hand _AND_ puts important controls like the
| back button at the top of the screen. Like you were saying,
| it 's really frustrating that the reachability gesture
| triggers things in apps--e.g., Twitter's navigation menu
| completely overlaps with the reachability gesture area, so
| you can virtually never hit the "back" button because the
| reachability gesture will reliably send you to Twitter's
| "search" page.
| antipaul wrote:
| Isn't "Back" usually just a swipe from the left edge of
| the screen??
|
| (Admittedly not 100% always and probably not on non-
| native apps)
| iso947 wrote:
| As a right handed person my thumb reaches the left edge
| of my 2016SE, but any further would be an uncomfortable
| stretch.
|
| From my XR experience there was an option to shift the
| keyboard to the side, so they acknowledge the design
| flaw.
| Bud wrote:
| You don't need to use the back button anymore, if that
| helps. You can now double-tap anywhere on the back of the
| phone to go Back.
| mrgordon wrote:
| I see how to set up Back Tap but none of the options seem
| to function as a "back" button. Which option did you set
| it to?
| throwaway894345 wrote:
| Oh, that's cool, but that's iPhone 12 only, right? Not
| iPhone 11?
| lemoncucumber wrote:
| It should work on an iPhone 11 as long as you've upgraded
| to iOS 14. It's supported the iPhone 8 and newer:
| https://screenrant.com/apple-ios-14-back-tap-iphone-list/
| Bud wrote:
| It uses the accelerometer that has already been built in
| to iPhones going way way back (actually ALL iPhones have
| at least a 3-axis accelerometer), so that's why there is
| so much support for older devices.
| TurkTurkleton wrote:
| It was added in iOS 14. Not hardware specific. It works
| on my iPhone 11 Pro Max. It's an accessibility feature
| that has to be specifically turned on though.
| cyberpunk wrote:
| How do you actually make it go 'back' though? I only have
| options like "home" etc.. ?
| kempbellt wrote:
| I may be the only person who has never taken the time to
| figure out how to intentionally call the reachability
| feature. I just know that sometimes everything shifts down
| on the screen and it has never been on purpose, and then I
| have to figure out how to undo it - usually by turning the
| screen off and back on.
|
| I am on the 11 (I think? I've lost track, but its the one
| with three cameras), and the screen is slightly too large
| for easy one-handed use, at least in my case. I might opt
| for the mini if/when I decided to get a new phone, but
| throwing $1000 at a new toy just because it's _slightly_
| more comfortable in my hand feels like a very "first-
| world" solution to a not-really-problem. None of the other
| features this phone comes with feel like they bring any
| extra value to my life or warrant an upgrade.
|
| But hey, newer, faster chips mean it can probably run Doom
| now, right?
| simonklitj wrote:
| Trigger reachability by swiping down on the home bar at
| the bottom of the screen. Disable it by swiping up or
| tapping the emptiness at the top.
| 1_player wrote:
| You and me both, friend. I hate reachability with a
| passion, for the simple fact that when I got my first
| iPhone I had never heard of the feature, and it's
| literally taken me 1 year to understand why sometimes my
| screen would look weird. No amount of Googling or
| searching the settings helped, until someone mentioned
| the magic keyword "Reachability". Which then was easy to
| disable.
|
| So it might be a cool feature, but if you don't know
| about it you'll go mad trying to understand what is wrong
| with your phone. And it's not like Apple is good at
| teaching users about power user gestures. I still feel
| I'm not using my iPhone at its full capacity yet.
| Polylactic_acid wrote:
| I find the feature to be entirely useless. In my usual
| hand position I can't trigger the mode and I can't reach
| the back button which ios places in the top left corner
| for some reason.
| henrikschroder wrote:
| That's how you disable it! Thank you!!!
| mortenjorck wrote:
| Reachability has come a long way, too. On TouchID phones,
| it was always fiddly, double-touching (but not pressing)
| the home button, but the gesture that replaced it on FaceID
| devices feels natural. I was originally apprehensive about
| moving to a larger phone yet again after the iPhone 6, but
| it has more or less made "big phones" a non-issue for me.
|
| There are one or two apps I use that seem to reliably have
| the touchUpInside issue you describe, so I wonder if it's
| down to their implementation. The Redfin app in particular
| is terrible with this.
| imron wrote:
| > On TouchID phones, it was always fiddly, double-
| touching (but not pressing) the home button
|
| As someone with a touch ID phone who didn't know about
| this feature - thank you! This will change how I use my
| phone.
| conductr wrote:
| I forget about it when I need it and it gets in my way when
| I don't. It's a good feature though I just haven't worked
| into my flow.
| nojito wrote:
| I actually set reachability to that new backtap feature in
| ios 14 and it's game changing.
| naravara wrote:
| I just configured this and it seems kind of clunky? The
| phone seems pretty inconsistent about registering the
| taps and even when it does it's slow to respond.
| robbyking wrote:
| I did that, too, until I realized I tap the back of my
| phone when I'm thinking.
| vmception wrote:
| You aren't the only one, I love the standard iPhone size
|
| and switched away from Android the exact moment iphones
| went away from the Fisher Price toy look
|
| at the same time, I have larger hands (proportionate for
| someone thats 6 feet tall) and I dont understand why people
| like the Max series!
|
| so its all preferences and Apple has the pulse on the
| market correctly that the market can tolerate multiple SKUs
| at different sizes
| [deleted]
| threatofrain wrote:
| IMO the reachability gesture improves about 20% of
| situations where one more tap is required, and for all the
| other situations I find I need more than one tap.
| throwaway894345 wrote:
| I would say my usage is inverted. 80% of the time it's
| one-tap; however, of that 80%, 90% is just hitting the
| back button. Move the back button to the bottom where
| it's reachable with one hand and ~75% of the use case for
| reachability is solved (for me, at least).
| _jal wrote:
| It is a software-bandaid to cover the physical design
| problem of a one-handed device that is too big to be used
| with one hand.
|
| I realize that research shows people use bigger phones
| more, but I'm the odd one out. I've been on the X, and it
| is too big. I use my phone far less than I did when they
| were smaller. It is just awkward and annoying.
|
| I'll have to hold the Mini to see if it is small enough to
| actually make a difference, I might actually buy a new
| phone before the old one croaks.
|
| The 4 was the best them, in my opinion.
| vmception wrote:
| bandaid is a strong word to describe a feature I love
|
| I actually consider individual app designs the problem
|
| iOS navigation is such that you shouldnt need to use the
| top portion of the screen, to go back you can swipe from
| the left edge to right, except some apps override that
| default behavior
| naravara wrote:
| > iOS navigation is such that you shouldnt need to use
| the top portion of the screen, to go back you can swipe
| from the left edge to right, except some apps override
| that default behavior
|
| This was true with the first jumbo phones, but is less
| the case now. Notification Center and the Control Center
| both require you to swipe down from the top of the
| screen. The "Back to previous app" function is also a
| very narrow touch target all the way at the topmost left
| edge of the screen.
| vmception wrote:
| and I am content using reachability to get to it
|
| miniswipe on the bottom, miniswipe from the center of the
| screen
|
| if you weren't using iphones for the last 5 years I can
| see how it would be perceived as an antipattern. if
| you've been using computers for a while though, then I've
| seen worse.
| bamboozled wrote:
| I want to use my phone less, so this is a feature IMO.
| anm89 wrote:
| Does anyone have info on which banks will offer mortgages on
| these phones?
| burlesona wrote:
| The mini is the best thing I've seen in a while. Fans of smaller
| phones everywhere are rejoicing.
|
| I just wish they'd give iPad the same treatment and make a Pro in
| a Mini size :)
| d3nj4l wrote:
| I honestly can't wait to buy it. I'm so tired of my 6.7" phone.
| coldpie wrote:
| I'm very tired of my 5.6" phone (Pixel 3A). 5.4" seems a
| small upgrade, but maybe worth it. I've been on the Android
| camp for a decade, but I'm getting fed up with these enormous
| phones. It's ironic that there's a million Android
| manufacturers and zero good small Android phones, while there
| is one iPhone manufacturer and they may actually take the
| small phone market.
| dont__panic wrote:
| Because of aspect ratios and bezels, the 12 Mini is
| _significantly_ smaller than the 3A. The 12 Mini is smack
| dab between the size of the iPhone 5 and the iPhone 6,
| whereas the 3A is roughly the size of a current iphone 11.
|
| Diagonals only tell you so much, unfortunately.
| jonplackett wrote:
| So weird how these things come in cycles.
|
| With the new flat sides and smaller form factor, they
| basically just rereleased the iPhone 5 (with, I'll admit, a
| couple of new features)
| ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
| I agree. I think it will sell like hotcakes.
|
| I use an iPod Touch (smaller than the Mini) as my "low-end"
| test device.
|
| Whenever I'm using it, I feel envious, as my regular phone is
| an XSMax.
| flixic wrote:
| Apple is tearing me apart between Mini's size and Pro Max
| camera.
| ogre_codes wrote:
| Yes... absolutely. I want a Pro Mini (Max).
| panopticon wrote:
| I have no interest in upgrading from my 11 Pro, but I
| thought during the event "if they announce a 12 Pro
| Mini...".
| centimeter wrote:
| The way I avoid stressing about this is by realizing that the
| iPhone camera is still way worse than a real dedicated camera
| with a large optical path (lens and sensor). If you care
| about good photos, the Pro Max won't get you that far in the
| grand scheme of things.
| coder543 wrote:
| This isn't as generally true as you seem to think it is.
| There are absolutely a few situations where a mirrorless /
| DSLR camera is going to run circles around a smartphone
| camera, but fewer than you might think.
|
| A mirrorless camera may have a wider dynamic range by
| default, but modern iPhones have incredible Smart HDR
| capabilities that _actually_ work really well. With a
| mirrorless, they can do an auto HDR effect using several
| photos, but it 's a much simpler effect, and you can't get
| RAW photos when using that. The new iPhone 12 will capture
| RAW photos even when applying Deep Fusion and other
| advanced techniques, from what they mentioned on stage
| today.
|
| I'm fairly sure no common mirrorless camera is going to be
| able to do HDR video at the level that the iPhone 12 will
| do it.
|
| If Apple or Google would make a mirrorless camera that
| combined their intelligent camera software with a larger
| sensor, that would be epic. Right now, there are always
| trade-offs, no matter which camera you pick.
|
| I've thought about getting a mirrorless camera to have that
| massive sensor for night photography, and to have the
| variety of lenses, but it's a lot of money for something
| substantial to have to carry around, and the difference
| just isn't what it used to be.
|
| _Even if_ you 're printing these photos, an iPhone 12 is
| going to be able to take a lot of really crisp, excellent
| photos. With the help of LiDAR, I think the 12 Pro will be
| able to create a really compelling portrait mode effect
| that's less glitchy than the current techniques that don't
| have an accurate depth map instantly available.
|
| Computational photography is a real thing, and it's
| impressive how much they have made up for the lack of
| physical space that would be required for a giant sensor.
|
| If you scroll back on this twitter feed, you can see some
| nice examples of pictures shot on iPhone by various people:
| https://twitter.com/halidecamera
|
| They're not "nice for a smartphone" pictures. They're just
| good pictures.
| zepto wrote:
| How do you know?
| andrewzah wrote:
| The best camera is the one you have on you.
|
| I almost always have my phone, whereas I am not carrying
| (lugging) my dslr or even my mirrorless around. No thanks.
|
| Unless you are printing these photos, the iphone's cameras
| are more than adequate for posting online.
| oreglio wrote:
| So true, in pre-covid era I traveled with only a cabin
| luggage for two and had no space for my DSLR + lenses. So
| while my DSLR had better image quality, actually I
| enjoyed more taking photos, filtering, editing and
| sharing them on the spot with my iPhone. I would never
| ever go back to shooting with my DSLR on holidays. I did
| it and it's just painful to carry around whole day. My
| iPhone does so much more than my DSLR for a fraction the
| space & weight of one of my lenses ...
| ginko wrote:
| Still seems quite large, though.
| albroland wrote:
| 12 Mini is roughly 1cm taller and 5mm wider than the original
| SE.
| saagarjha wrote:
| Still seems quite large, though.
| albroland wrote:
| Relative to what other phone on the market?
| saagarjha wrote:
| iPhone SE.
| albroland wrote:
| Assuming you mean the 2016 iPhone SE, in the US you
| cannot buy it from a retail store - it is not presently
| available on the market as new stock (that i'm aware of).
| You can only get them used, refurbed, or maybe NoS if
| you're lucky.
| ryan93 wrote:
| How is .15in wider a big difference?
| saagarjha wrote:
| It's something you'll feel when holding the device in
| your hands.
| asavadatti wrote:
| The iPhone SE has a devoted following because of its size.
| There is a huge market for people with smaller hands.
|
| I was hoping for the headphone jack to make a comeback but I
| think that's a lost cause at this point
| smiley1437 wrote:
| I still use a 6S because of the headphone jack, lots of long
| conference calls where my Airpods die and being able to
| quickly switch to a plug-in headset (while the phone is on a
| charger!) is such a convenience.
|
| If they can have a camera bump for the cameras, why not a
| little bump for a headset jack???
| andrewzah wrote:
| I've used this adapter [0] for my X with zero complaints.
|
| I got tired of fighting the 3.5mm battle after I broke my
| 6, plus the new chips in the later series are way faster
| than the 6 now.
|
| [0]: https://smile.amazon.com/Belkin-Charge-Rockstar-
| Adapter-Char...
| m0zg wrote:
| I wonder if I'm the only one who doesn't give a slightest shit
| about "lidar" or "AR".
| foota wrote:
| Afaict this doesn't include a fingerprint sensor, is that
| accurate?
| pazimzadeh wrote:
| I'm finally going to upgrade from my original SE. It's not as
| small as I'd like, but I think it will keep its value well if
| they do come out with the nano in the spring along with a new
| watch mini/nano.
|
| It's looking like it was a battery issue all along, but once
| these magnetic chargers become common, that won't matter. It's
| perfect for mounting an iPhone in the car too.
| saos wrote:
| No talk of Spotify support for homepods. That's worrying
| nbzso wrote:
| I live in the future. Here we hate mobile phones. They are boring
| slabs with annoying demand of mental attention. The cool kids are
| using simple open hardware to tap into p2p networks. The old
| people are recycling 4g tech with 3d printed mods for fun and to
| save money. Economy is sinking daily and the only option to buy
| new hardware is to finance it for life, so we avoid to do this.
|
| Seriously now, my last phone is SE. I am old apple user. I plan
| to buy cheap Android phone for Important apps. Actually Apple of
| now is what I don't trust or like. I feel that this boring,
| politically correct, cunning corporation is exactly the opposite
| of the original Apple idea and ethos. This started years ago with
| whole Semi-Pro trend, but now is in a full swing, not listening
| of pro users, milking 30 percent everything, basically is a
| company for "fashion people" with polished marketing. My money
| are safe:)
| prvc wrote:
| I wonder what the environmental impact of all the new adaptors
| that customers will need to buy is.
| bilbo0s wrote:
| A lot less than buying a new phone in the first place. That's
| where you take the environmental hit. If you're going to fix
| the environment, implement the fixes that give the biggest bang
| for the buck. If you don't buy a new phone, you don't need to
| worry about buying new adapters.
| olah_1 wrote:
| "And here's the best part. We are able to decentralize and
| distribute both the cost and impact evenly across the entire
| consumer base, making Apple itself _much_ more environmentally
| friendly. "
|
| _smiles_
| ehsankia wrote:
| These transitions are insane. The production quality is honestly
| fantastic. Apple has perfected the art of virtual keynotes.
| arcticbull wrote:
| They actually wrote Keynote so Steve could give high-quality
| animated, uh, keynotes.
| jiripospisil wrote:
| Agreed. I only wish they streamed in a higher quality. 1080p
| looks pretty bad on a 27" 4K monitor.
| [deleted]
| moogleii wrote:
| If you were watching on YouTube and Safari, you were limited
| to 1080p. The Apple site and ATV were in 4k.
| tpmx wrote:
| I'm getting what looks like roughly a 6000 kbps stream (quick
| calculation from fragment size/m3u8 fragment duration). It
| looks very good for 1080p.
|
| As a comparison I'm typically getting like 1500 kbps from
| Netflix on a 1 gigabit per second connection on their "HD"
| plan.
| foepys wrote:
| Netflix is using H.265 with adaptive bitrate encoding if
| your device supports it, what codec is Apple using? Simply
| comparing bitrates is outdated.
| tpmx wrote:
| With my browser (chrome) it was H.264. Still, I'd take 6
| Mbps H.264 over 1.5 Mbps H.265 any day. I'm sure the
| apple stream was VBR as well - I tried to pick a
| representative/average segment to do the quick calcs on.
| auggierose wrote:
| It is 4K on an Apple TV. At least it looks like it :-D
| joakleaf wrote:
| It looks impressive, but why does everybody talk in that weird
| way;"Wow. What an exciting day." It feels so weird and
| artificial. It actually makes them sound less enthusiastic and
| genuine to me.
|
| They also present a lot of features (especially photos), but
| without comparison I am left wondering, how much better is the
| new stuff. And why should I buy it...
|
| Sounds great with that new glass too; I wondered if they would
| show how much better it is -- Maybe do something funny, risky,
| and slightly stupid like the Cybertruck incident. Nope: Just 4x
| better than before -- Whatever those 4x means. Get some hammers
| out -- Do something...
|
| The A14 is also faster than before. No real-life demo
| comparison. Wouldn't it have been easy to compare the games on
| the GPUs (stuttering frame rate on one side)? Just something.
| If you can't show us why it is better, it is not good enough.
|
| Oh, and why no actual live demos with the phone instead of just
| 100 great photos and videos of the phone and by the phone?
|
| The old keynotes had a slide with the comparison of the mini,
| normal, pro models and the end. Those actually served as an
| informative summary at the end. Instead Tim Cook just told us
| what we had seen, and that "it was the day everybody had waited
| for", and then I am left struggling to remember why the pro is
| more expensive and how much more it was...
|
| They may be the best at this, and it does feel (overly)
| polished, but I feel the old much simpler Jobs keynotes were
| far ahead in enthusiasm and far more entertaining. Sorry.
| kneel wrote:
| Apple employees already have the corporate robotic,
| overworked aesthetic down.
|
| Watching them attempt to display emotions is hilarious.
| zionic wrote:
| >but without comparison I am left wondering, how much better
| is the new stuff
|
| When the comparison is 8 vs 10 bit HDR while 99.5+% are
| watching a crappy SDR youtube feed on SDR panels comparisons
| literally can't be real.
| tommyderami wrote:
| I believe you can generally just capture a scene with a lot
| of dynamic range (say a person standing in front of a flat
| wall with the light falloff ranging from dark to
| overexposed) and then zoom in on a frame and you'll see
| more or less banding because of the tough decisions the
| capture device has to make on what data to throw
| away/reduce and what to keep
| Damogran6 wrote:
| I kinda don't think Tim was in the theatre. It's much more
| likely he's match moved and laid over pre-recorded renders.
| they're not the first tech group I've seen go to full pre-
| recorded footage like this, it takes _all_ the risk out of a
| failed demo.
| iNate2000 wrote:
| lineup at 1:05:55
| tomashertus wrote:
| > why does everybody talk in that weird way;"Wow. What an
| exciting day." It feels so weird and artificial
|
| This gets me every time. It's so artificial that I'm pulling
| my hair. I honestly don't know, why everyone is always so so
| "excited". Every time I hear someone say "this is exciting",
| I think BS. We had a colleague and his go-to phrase was "This
| is super exciting". "SUPER EXCITING!"
| Tainnor wrote:
| Where do you live? Because I'm from Europe and I used to
| work for a US company but in a European office and it was
| kind of a running joke among us that the people from the HQ
| would always call everything "amazing" and have these all-
| hands meetings that felt like rallies to us.
|
| I think this fits the cliche that we have about Americans,
| although I'm sure it's not like that everywhere.
| tomashertus wrote:
| I'm from Czech, but live in Silicon Valley. For last 10
| years I have been really struggling with this. Every time
| someone calls something "amazing", I automatically ask
| them politely to tell me what they really think. Oh boy,
| I heard some harsh feedback after the first "it's
| amazing".
| Shivetya wrote:
| it is hard at times to determine if the background you see is
| computer generated or not. I am not sure that difficult in
| distinction is a good trend
| jonplackett wrote:
| I was wondering how they'd done the house with open sides.
| Looked really realistic but even apple don't have enough
| money to burn on stripping the side wall of a house off for a
| 10 minute segment... or do they?
| rusty__ wrote:
| It's just a film set. Pretty simple to make, probably put
| that together in about 5 days plus planning!
| jonplackett wrote:
| Do you reckon they actually did though, or just CGI?
| Guereric wrote:
| Do we know what program they use for their presentations?
| timdorr wrote:
| They supposedly use Keynote, but I think with these
| presentations it's more likely custom motion graphics in
| After Effects or possibly Final Cut Pro if Apple is imposing
| in-house software.
| rusty__ wrote:
| Apple have an in house team that specialize in just these
| kind of keynote slides. I imagine it's worked up mostly in
| keynote, maybe with a bit of extra software like After
| Effects on the side.
|
| They employ an outside company to do the bigger CG
| graphics, promo introductions and renders of the devices
| tpmx wrote:
| The one last month was a bit slow/boring. This one is keeping
| my attention so far; I agree, it's impressive.
| pmarreck wrote:
| I will say that the Apple Watch Series 6 has been a _massive_
| upgrade over my Series 3 though
| marketingPro wrote:
| When your business model revolves around marketing and
| aesthetics, you need to put the extra effort.
|
| You can tell Apple's target demographic isn't enterprise
| markets at every turn.
| cafed00d wrote:
| One could argue that a company like Stripe's target
| demographic is _precisely_ the enterprise markets; yet, their
| product pages are slick af! Smooth scrolling, animations and
| all that jazz. Because they're made up of folks who love
| JavaScript (and animations, of course)
|
| Apple's marketing team is similar. They're probably a bunch
| of people who _love_ making videos; probably studied film or
| art or spent a ton of time on Final Cut Pro etc etc.
| no_wizard wrote:
| Stripe has some serious frontend considerations too. I
| think their original value point was lowering friction in
| payment systems and reasonable rates. Stripe still does
| those things really really well, but so did Braintree (now
| part of PayPal).
|
| Where Stripe absolutely nailed it is the infrastructure
| around it. Their SDK documentation and continous
| improvements still outpace Braintree.
|
| For instance, Stripe has custom elements that you can use
| to interact seamlessly with their SDK, with little setup
| needed[0]
|
| I could not find a similiar integration from Braintree.
|
| Compartively, I find their informational SDK page a bit
| more polished than Braintree, respectively, though I
| realize some of this is personal style and taste, Stripe
| has clear pathways for me to find the information I want
| right on the side bar and referenced throughout the landing
| page for the client SDK[1] where as Braintree[2] is more
| narrowly focused, which with payments, may mean I miss a
| better set of features I should be aware of.
|
| Reducing frictions and painpoints is what they won with, in
| the end. It was easy to setup and maintain. How many 3rd
| party services have both of those things that handle
| something as complex as payments? I can't even get AWS
| integrations with their own SDKs working together without
| some effort
|
| [0] https://stripe.com/payments/elements
|
| [1] https://stripe.com/docs/stripe-js
|
| [2] https://developers.braintreepayments.com/start/hello-
| client/...
| whoisburbansky wrote:
| Could this be because Stripe has to sell, essentially, to
| developers, not executives, unlike most B2B products?
| Developers love slick product pages as much as the next
| guy, but none of that matters if sales are made over golf
| sessions with executives.
| cafed00d wrote:
| Hmm, yep, could be.
|
| Although I personally feel it may just be innate
| appreciation or love of the craft. It's interesting to
| compare Stripe with other providers such as PayPal,
| AWS/Amazon, Square. AWS is (and has been) focussed on
| selling to developers, startups to massive companies.
| Yet, their product pages aren't as slick as Stripe's.
| They built out their product with the ethos from the
| Retail side -- frugality, ship fast & often etc.
| -\\_(tsu)_/-
| whoisburbansky wrote:
| Agreed that love of the craft seems like the general tone
| of their corporate culture as a whole, so that makes
| perfect sense too.
| caeril wrote:
| Data point of one:
|
| Stripe got my business years ago because of the API
| (compared to the CyberSource merchant API at the time) and
| the competitive rates.
|
| The pretty UI on their site had precisely zero bearing on
| the decision.
| cafed00d wrote:
| Fair enough. I agree: Pretty UI doesn't _necessarily_ win
| all the $$$s
|
| But I feel there's something to be said or appreciated
| about building or striving to build something beautiful
| despite that.
| moogleii wrote:
| That's a tired and specious argument that might have held
| water if Apple were only successful for a year or two. There
| are a myriad of devices from competitors who also had large
| marketing budgets but eventually disappeared into the night.
|
| But it's essentially been 13 years (if you only start
| counting from the introduction of the iPhone). Great
| engineering/product deserves a big marketing budget. They go
| hand in hand.
| jayd16 wrote:
| Maybe I'm being too negative but other parts of the production
| are throwing me off. The white balance is so cold and the
| profile photo style vignetting and background blur is so
| overbearing.
|
| Its a great keynote but I would have preferred more subtlety in
| the production toys.
| suyash wrote:
| Is no one going to talk about the heath risks of 5G radiation and
| we will eat up their and Verizon's marketing?
| roadbeats wrote:
| Is it just me or the sample photos for the night mode look
| pixelated on the website; https://www.apple.com/iphone-12/
| tomerico wrote:
| What's amazing to me is how little of a difference they have
| between the regular and pro models:
| https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/
|
| It basically boils down to a few relatively minor camera features
| perhaps except for the addition of a 2x camera (The other
| differences are Lidar sensor, 60fps HDR recording at vs 30fps,
| and saving in RAW).
|
| It looks like they think that just creating the impression that
| the pro model is better is enough to get more money from people
| who are less price sensitive.
| epaga wrote:
| It's a 4x optical zoom (or 5x in the Max), opposed to NO
| optical zoom at all in the non-pro version.
| tomerico wrote:
| It's 4x zoom range (ultra wide to zoom lens). The regular has
| 2x zoom range (ultra wide to regular)
| fomine3 wrote:
| It seems that now iPhone 12 uses same housing design as 12 Pro.
| I think Pro is almost only for camera upgrade (including
| LIDAR).
| Terretta wrote:
| Those are, to be fair, pro photography and video features,
| that likely make a real difference only to pros and so-called
| prosumers.
| fomine3 wrote:
| Yes but previous iPhone "Pro" isn't just only for
| prosumers; It had OLED and different housing. Now Apple
| possibly switched Pro-line strategy as same as iPad and
| Mac.
| prvc wrote:
| If the probability of surviving a drop has been quadrupled, then
| it must have been less than 1/4 for the last generations.
| the_arun wrote:
| Team Apple is great at marketing!
| muterad_murilax wrote:
| iPhone 12 Mini is the real iPhone 6 I've been waiting for since
| 2013.
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| That was actually much more substantial of an upgrade than I
| previously anticipated. The stronger glass, MagSafe being able to
| stick your phone magnetically to surfaces, and the Dolby Vision
| HDR recording are what really got me. Not so much 5G.
| dartdartdart wrote:
| They finally updated the Chassis as well from the Iphone X in
| 2017
| crooked-v wrote:
| What I'm really hoping is that MagSafe finally fulfills my
| dream of having a secure magnetically-attached wireless
| charging point in a car. Accessories to this effect
| theoretically exist already, but they all suck.
| fomine3 wrote:
| MagSafe on Car looks really makes sense. I don't need it for
| home but I'd like to use it on car.
| Xavdidtheshadow wrote:
| They very briefly mentioned a 3rd party one that will do
| exactly that!
| mikeyouse wrote:
| Grabbed a screenshot - It's a Belkin product under design
| but not on sale yet:
|
| https://i.imgur.com/k2Bqhsp.png
| bnj wrote:
| The magsafe is really cool but for anyone interested in the
| wallet accessory just be careful with putting NFC chipped cards
| there. Paying with Apple Pay from your phone could get
| confusing.
| Damogran6 wrote:
| I tried a few months back to pair down as many cards as I
| could and just couldn't get under 7 (medical, CC, ID, Fleet
| Diesel Card, Insurance, etc.)
|
| I don't know how people get it down to 3-4...
| mikestew wrote:
| At least in WA state, vehicle insurance card can be
| electronic. Health insurance card is electronic. That
| leaves an ID, one CC (in case "they" don't take Apple Pay),
| and a Health Saving Account card that oddly cannot be added
| to Apple Pay. Looking in the wallet, I guess I carry my
| credit union debit card, too.
|
| The point is not to brag, but point out that two of those
| cards get taken out because there are electronic
| alternatives. Some states allow electronic driver's
| licenses, too. Subtract those three, and there's your "3-4"
| in your wallet. And a fuel card, FFS, for a _fleet_ card
| that couldn 't be an NFC/RFID fob like Exxon has had for a
| decade? Which in turn might as well be a reader on the pump
| for your NFC payment of choice.
| fabiospampinato wrote:
| Maybe the wallet has NFC shielding.
| sbr464 wrote:
| Seems like it is. From the apple store:
|
| > The leather wallet is shielded so it's safe for credit
| cards.
| bnj wrote:
| Oh that's great! I wonder if that will interfere at all
| with typical Apple Pay use, presumably not.
| coder543 wrote:
| Apple's NFC antenna is usually along the top edge of the
| phone
| ianmobbs wrote:
| MagSafe is really cool, but I'm incredibly disappointed they're
| sticking with lightning...
| audunw wrote:
| There's no point switching from lightning to USB-C now. The
| MagSafe (should make it just as nice to charge while using
| the phone) and dropping earpods in the packaging kind of
| confirms a suspicion I've had that they really, really want
| to get rid of the port all-together on iPhones. They've
| switched to USB-C on iPad.. there it makes sense, they're
| making it more like a laptop. But phones will go all-
| wireless. Like, there's no other logical explanation now
| considering they're going all-in on USB-C on MacBooks and
| iPads.
|
| They don't want to do the switch now because they don't want
| to send the wrong signal to accessory makers. They want them
| to focus on Bluetooth and wireless charging.
|
| If they knew it'd take this long to get here, maybe they'd
| have switched to USB-C at an earlier stage. I know there were
| many blunders and delays with things like wireless charging
| and Bluetooth 5 audio. So the situation has become kind of
| awkward.
| dmix wrote:
| Exactly charging by cable is basically out of date now.
| There's so many wireless charging options for nothing on
| Amazon, using a cable is the back up option.
|
| The only place I could see this not being the case is in
| older cars which require plug-in for some features like
| CarPlay.
|
| But eh, it's an expensive device. An extra cord (also for
| cheap on Amazon) isn't a big deal.
| Daniel_sk wrote:
| There is wireless Carplay, my previous BMW had it like 2
| years ago? I hope it will get more common. No cable
| required. There is also wireless charging on the middle
| console. Worked quite well.
| can16358p wrote:
| The problem is that people don't upgrade their cars every
| few years like they upgrade their iPhones. There are many
| people out there who still don't have a wireless
| connectivity system whether just for Bluetooth music or
| CarPlay.
| TylerE wrote:
| The one area where cables still win is speed. My 11 can
| be charged by 50% in seemingly about 20-30 minutes from a
| high output (i.e. iPad) charger.
|
| On my wireless pad that much charge will take a couple
| hours.
|
| That's fine overnight, but sometimes you need a lot
| battery ASAP
| bredren wrote:
| This is a good point. Though the battery management seems
| to have gotten good enough that these speed charges are
| less necessary.
|
| Funny thing is the only time I run out of juice now is if
| I did not place my iPhone on the wireless charger
| straight enough. Apple spoke specifically to this pain so
| it must be widespread.
| TylerE wrote:
| Yeah, that's the main cause.
|
| Also occasionally when traveling, so combination of long
| days + higher than normal usage. I've got a battery case
| for those days that more or less doubles the built in
| capacity (at the cost of also basically doubling the
| weight)
| can16358p wrote:
| While I see Apple moving towards that direction, I don't
| know how it will play with things that DO need a
| connection: for example aux port in the car, or connecting
| a drone controller (these are two examples from my daily
| life, I'm pretty much sure there are many others)
| gkoberger wrote:
| Give it a year (or two)! They probably want to go straight to
| full MagSafe rather than USB-C. However, if they drop
| Lightning right now, nobody will be able to charge their
| phones. It'll take a year or two for magsafe/Qi/etc to be
| ubiquitous enough that they'll feel comfortable dropping
| lightning.
| gmadsen wrote:
| would probably be a lot easier to go full water proof with
| no usb connector
| ianmobbs wrote:
| We'll see! There are so many problems with wireless
| charging that I don't see it becoming truly mainstream. Not
| being able to use your phone while charging is the most
| visible one (maybe 15W via magsafe will make it fast enough
| it doesn't matter). I also have trust issues with wireless
| charging in general - I got a free wireless charger from
| TripleByte once that overheated my phone and only got it to
| 60%. I'm still hoping for USB-C
| jedberg wrote:
| It seems like that MagSafe connector might be strong
| enough that you can use the phone while charging.
| texuf wrote:
| Wait till they put a mag safe on the end of a long chord.
| jaywalk wrote:
| Uhhh... https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MHXH3/magsafe-
| charger
| smiley1437 wrote:
| Since the new Magsafe charger is a slim puck on a long
| cord, I'm thinking you could still hold it and use the
| phone while charging, alleviating the 'can't charge while
| using it' issue which was one of my concerns too
| baq wrote:
| I've given up, ikea has cheap Qi chargers now, bought
| three and put them in strategic places of the house.
| Wasteful laziness but it's oh so convenient.
| toomuchtodo wrote:
| If it makes your life easier and more convenient, it's
| not wasteful. "Laziness" is a slur used against the
| efficient.
| megablast wrote:
| Maybe. Maybe not. They are now shipping usbc to lightning
| port cables with every phone, so they already expect most
| people to have usbc.
| tpmx wrote:
| I quite like the return of the iPhone 4 exterior design style.
| adolph wrote:
| Me too, although it has two fails:
|
| 0. Oval buttons instead of round. In terms of usability a
| larger target is better, but in terms of design style a loss.
|
| 1. It has buttons on both sides so it doesn't have a totally
| flat side for setting on its edge. Also, the camera sticks
| out.
|
| Otherwise I appreciate the return to the classic look even if
| "mini" is still larger than the oversized model 5 body.
| tpmx wrote:
| Out of these issues,
|
| > Also, the camera sticks out
|
| is the one that bothers me. I loved the iPhone 4/5
| "uniblock" feeling.
| xnx wrote:
| The phone would be thicker, but they'd be able to stick a
| lot of battery in there if they made the back flush with
| the camera bump.
| tpmx wrote:
| iPhone 4 had a (flush) depth of 9.3 mm.
|
| Iphone 12 tech specs says it has a depth of 7.44 mm. It's
| unclear if that includes the camera bump, but I'm going
| to to asssume it doesn't, because Apple.
|
| Yeah. That extra 1.86 mm would probably add quite a lot
| of battery capacity, like 20-30% more.
| vagrantJin wrote:
| I'd say that's regressing yes? When you can't find the road
| to the future, retreat to the past. Re-live the glory days so
| to speak.
| 2muchcoffeeman wrote:
| You interact with the screen. Why does the design matter
| that much? What exactly is innovative about the rectangles
| from other companies?
| tpmx wrote:
| You also hold the unit quite a lot. The feeling matters.
| CamperBob2 wrote:
| Yes, it does, which is why the iPhone 4 was a terrible
| design. Pull the phone out of your pocket, and there's a
| 3-in-4 chance that you're "holding it wrong" right off
| the bat because the front and back feel the same.
|
| No, thanks. Every surface on a phone needs to feel at
| least subtly different.
| tpmx wrote:
| I haven't upgraded since iPhone X. That one doesn't feel
| different wrt front/back at all. Does iPhone 11 feel
| different in this regard?
| jedberg wrote:
| It's regressing back to a superior design. The hard edges
| are easier to hold, and also, you can rest the phone on
| it's edge without stand. I miss being able to rest my phone
| on it's edge.
| wmeredith wrote:
| This. I hate the lozenge designs of the last several
| iPhones. They are slick in a bad way.
| tpmx wrote:
| And the edges aren't MBP-sharp (beautiful but painful).
| Looks like an edge radius of maybe 0.5 mm instead of 0.1
| mm or so.
| tpmx wrote:
| In a way, yeah, definitely. Perhaps it's a bad sign for
| Apple, but good for consumers. It's a solid (and imho
| beautiful) design that works really well mechanically
| (iirc).
|
| I'm treading into parts I don't know very well here, so
| treat this as a question: Is this perhaps a part of the de-
| Ive-ification process?
| wruza wrote:
| Hope so, I still miss my skeuomorphism so much.
| mensetmanusman wrote:
| It's cyclic fashion.
| john_minsk wrote:
| True. MagSafe is what got me. Apple is genius in how they keep
| pushing accessories part of the ecosystem.
| Spivak wrote:
| They must be really confident with their drop protection
| because I don't know a single person who doesn't have their
| phone in a case.
| justusthane wrote:
| The MagSafe works through supported cases.
| throw03172019 wrote:
| I was a bit confused. Does it require a case to work?
| I've never used a case before and I don't plan on
| starting.
| colejohnson66 wrote:
| No it doesn't. It's magnets built into the phone.
| garydevenay wrote:
| I don't and never have had my iPhone in a case (iPhone user
| since 3g)
| rootusrootus wrote:
| It must be my dry skin, but I cannot use my iPhone
| without a case. It's so damn slippery, it slides right
| through my fingers if I'm not careful to keep a death
| grip on it.
| TillE wrote:
| My limited personal experience is that the iPhone 6 was
| absurdly slippery (pretty much required a case), but the
| iPhone XS is fine.
| ssijak wrote:
| I never use cases. But then again, I break every phone
| eventually. My iPhone 8 has broken glass on both sides and
| a broken camera glass but it works well apart from that, so
| I was waiting for this announcement to get a new one.
| Xavdidtheshadow wrote:
| Presented without comment: I always have my phone in a
| case and have never broken anything physical on any
| phone. My launch-day iPhone 8 still looks great.
| SketchySeaBeast wrote:
| On my last phone (Galaxy S8+) I was able to break both
| the back glass and front glass while it was in a Spigen
| case (two separate incidents). First time I broke the
| glass on any phone I've owned. I've moved up to an
| Otterbox now on my S20+ as I'm not going to let that
| happen again.
| jedberg wrote:
| Same. I don't even power up the phone until the case and
| screen protector on.
|
| Even my five+ year old phones are in perfect condition,
| despite their primary users being my toddlers now.
| crehn wrote:
| I never use any protection on my iPhones. I find cases ugly
| and bulky; I want to enjoy the device's feel, design and
| engineering.
|
| The iPhone 8 with it's full-glass enclosing has been
| surprisingly sturdy, surviving even rough drops with only a
| scratch. Plus if it breaks, I get two replacements with
| AppleCare, and the process is ridiculously smooth.
| elondaits wrote:
| I never used a case with my SE. i just try not to drop it.
| I had to get a case for my XS, reluctantly, because the
| camera is not level with the body... so I was afraid of
| scratching it, plus the phone didn't lay flat on a table.
| The XS was made for use with a cover, not an option.
| pkroll wrote:
| I'll add to the anecdotes: my iPhone 6 plus has no case,
| and looks like it was pulled out of a box a few hours ago.
| I don't understand the whole case universe/how people can
| drop their expensive phones so consistently.
| simonklitj wrote:
| I'm just really clumsy, honestly.
| soneca wrote:
| I never use cases.
|
| From the old indestructible Nokias, passing through a Sony
| Ericsson, a Nokia Windows Phone, and then the Moto G4.
| Until my previous phone.
|
| My previous phone was a Moto G6, with glass in the back. In
| the second day, it fell from my lap and the back-glass
| broke completely, but stood in place with glass dust all
| over. I had to use a case (that is shipped with the phone,
| probably predicting this). I was pissed, always hated. All
| of that because of a useless aesthetic product decision.
|
| Then I bought the latest iPhone SE, my first iPhone ever. I
| use it without a case and it fell, from various heights,
| probably more than 30 times now. The screen is intact, just
| a few scratches in the corners. I am pretty happy about it.
|
| Edit: just in case anyone wants to know, I don't like cases
| solely because it makes the phone larger. The "how easily
| and comfortably it fits in my pockets" is my main criteria.
| I don't care about aesthetics much, consequently I also
| don't care if my phone has scratches on its sides. That's
| one reason I changed to the iPhone SE (small phone + great
| chip + privacy considerations). I would only ever consider
| buying the iPhone Mini out of these iPhone 12 line.
| signal11 wrote:
| I didn't use a case for my iPhone 5, but it was very easy
| to grip. The 6 and later models, including the 11s and
| the SE 2020, have rounded edges that to me are really
| slippery and easy to drop.
|
| The 12 seems to be similar to the 5 (and the iPad Pro),
| so let's see if it's any better to use without a case.
| can16358p wrote:
| I never used a case. Only once my iPhone catapulted from my
| pocket once and the screen was broken, but still, that
| repair wasn't worth enough for me to use an ugly protector
| that kills the whole design of the iPhone.
| mlindner wrote:
| Never used a case never broken a phone. I don't get why
| everyone is so butter fingers.
| intrasight wrote:
| Same. I'm not klutz, but at least 4x per year I drop my
| phone in a way that it really wouldn't like without the
| case.
| dmix wrote:
| I'm a klutz and even with a case I break my glass every
| other month or so.
|
| The glass repair guy down the street must love me.
|
| If it really protects the phone like they said it will
| (even 2x, not 4x) then this would be a revolutionary
| upgrade for me.
| krzyk wrote:
| I never used a phone in a case because I think cases make
| phones look uglier. And also I'm careful with my phones, I
| dropped my phones several times and only once the glass
| shattered.
|
| Although I don't use iPhones (Androids).
| dan-robertson wrote:
| I used a case briefly but stopped (after it was damaged
| when I had precariously balanced it about 2m above the
| ground to use it as a torch and then knocked it to the
| tiles below). I don't really suffer from the prevalence of
| broken screens. Am I just careful or is if from people with
| loose pockets running around or moving some other way (eg
| skateboarding)?
|
| I occasionally drop it from my pocket onto not-too-hard
| ground without damage and I bent the corner a bit dropping
| it on tarmac when I was drunk once but otherwise it's
| unscathed. Maybe I'm just super lucky.
| stinky613 wrote:
| I have an iPad Pro with the Magic Keyboard. The magnetic
| attachment is fantastic. I can hold the palmrest on the
| keyboard, turn the whole thing upside down, and shake it
| without the iPad falling off.
|
| From my first day of using them together all I could think
| was "I want this connection method on every tablet and
| phone"
|
| Also, btw, the iPhone 12 MagSafe doesn't prevent you from
| using a case.
| romanows wrote:
| Anecdotally, I tend to drop my phones from chair-level
| monthly, with no case, without issue. I dropped my Pixel 2
| two stories onto concrete and only damaged the back glass
| cosmetically and the phone microphone slightly. Used it for
| another 4 months until the Pixel 4a finally came out. I've
| always assumed cases were overrated but haven never looked
| for any statistics.
| cbsks wrote:
| My big question is... does the new "Ceramic Shield" mean that I
| won't need a screen protector anymore?
| texuf wrote:
| I don't put my iphone in the same pocket as my keys and my
| phone is scratch free after 3 years. The screens are made of
| sapphire, you don't need a screen protector.
|
| [edit] Not made of sapphire. My head has been in the sand.
| matthewmacleod wrote:
| The screens are very much not made of sapphire.
| Nextgrid wrote:
| I'd still recommend a screen protector. They cost a couple
| bucks on Amazon so IMO it's a no-brainer.
| saagarjha wrote:
| Just the camera lens and the home button on devices with
| Touch ID; their deal with GT Advanced Technologies fell
| through and the company folded.
| XCSme wrote:
| This is what I thought they wanted to advertise by showing
| the attachments that go directly on the phone.
| nvarsj wrote:
| Nope... it just seems to make the glass stronger (more
| shatter resistant). Which is unfortunate, given how bad
| iPhones scratch over the last few generations.
| jaywalk wrote:
| You haven't needed a screen protector in a long time.
| mikeyouse wrote:
| FWIW, I tried to use my iPhone X without a screen protector
| but the glass was getting scratched all to hell. I had no
| worries about it cracking or anything, but it seems to have
| been a common problem:
|
| https://gizmodo.com/iphone-x-damage-report-two-months-
| later-...
| mamon wrote:
| What are you using it for, driving nails? I had many
| smartphones in over a decade and never a single scratch
| on a screen, without using any screen protector.
| bluedino wrote:
| I actually scratched my iPhone 8 a few weeks ago (using the
| light on my phone while working under my car...my fault).
| I've never scratched an iPhone (or used a screen protector)
| since the 4S.
| cbsks wrote:
| That's what they told me about my Apple Watch, and it is
| super scratched after only 6 months.
| jdietrich wrote:
| Glass screens are reasonably resistant to scratching, but
| they're very prone to shattering. A tempered glass screen
| protector acts like a crumple zone, dissipating energy and
| spreading shock loads that would otherwise shatter the
| underlying screen.
| can16358p wrote:
| Unless you drop your phone every week or so, then I wouldn't
| recommend a protector.
| lifty wrote:
| It's not widely known but iPhone 11 pro has a softer glass,
| more flexible, which better withstands falls. Problem is that
| it scratches easier than previous models. They improved this in
| the iPhone 12 models, maintaining the flexibility while making
| them harder to scratch.
| ricardobeat wrote:
| A-ha. That explains why my 11 pro front glass is absolutely
| disgusting, covered in scratches.
| hprotagonist wrote:
| a glass screen protector goes on the front of every phone i
| buy within 90 seconds of it coming out of the box.
| dntrkv wrote:
| But then you have to use your phone with a screen
| protector.
|
| I'd rather deal with the tiny scratches than a screen
| protector.
| muzika wrote:
| Me too
| Shivetya wrote:
| Odd note,the amount of wealth on display in their demonstration
| home was astounding. Then again just the amount displayed across
| portions of the Apple campus and the cost to create such an
| event.
|
| The Western world talk about distribution of wealth among the
| wealthiest and poorest people always tend to overlook how the
| people of the Western world of are of the first category and
| those in the later see no difference in a billionaire or other
| member of the same.
| spacedcowboy wrote:
| That home looked to be about 2x the size of my own, in SCV. My
| home is ~$1.5M, so let's say it's a $3M home. You'd expect some
| level of sophisticated furnishing in a $3M home...
| helen___keller wrote:
| > Odd note,the amount of wealth on display in their
| demonstration home was astounding.
|
| What are you referring to? Like the architecture and decor? It
| seemed professionally staged but not particularly opulent, in
| my opinion.
|
| I suppose one might say just showing a single family home that
| presumably exists in the bay area is itself a ludicrous display
| of wealth.
| jefftk wrote:
| Why is this considered an exemplary shot?
| https://www.apple.com/v/iphone-12/a/images/overview/camera/s...
| (first picture under "Automatic magic")
|
| The pants look artificial, the hands and feet are really dark,
| you can't see the detail on the trees. Is this just a really hard
| angle to shoot, against the summer sky?
| moogleii wrote:
| It's the Grand Theft Auto filter.
| leokennis wrote:
| Apart from that, it's just not an aesthetically pleasing photo.
| Some dude in crocs?
| pantelisk wrote:
| sandals and socks. high fashion uses multiple sources.
| Sometimes its inspired by nature, sometimes scifi, sometimes
| its inspired by traditional internet cringe!
|
| Interesting pic. I think it tries to show the hdr, dynamic
| rage of shadows + cleanliness even though the person is in
| motion.
| pbronez wrote:
| looks like a video game
| hiidrew wrote:
| Apple's product pages are pretty cool and definitely clean in
| terms of visual assets and copy, but the usability is brutal.
|
| Seems like it started with the AirPods page and will likely
| continue.
|
| Would much rather have a page that is as clean but less scroll
| effects.
| josteink wrote:
| It's completely broken. You can't even select text.
|
| Might as well just make it one long-ass video.
| hazz99 wrote:
| I can select text on Firefox. I also really enjoy the
| scrolling effects, I think the experience is really high
| quality.
| andor wrote:
| No fingerprint scanner :-(
| joshstrange wrote:
| That was a long shot but I too was disappointed
| cmckn wrote:
| Let's talk about the return of MagSafe!
|
| It seems...kinda dumb. Instead of plugging in a lightning cable,
| I can now stick a hockey puck to the back of my phone?
|
| The "safe" in MagSafe came from its "yankability" without sending
| your device flying. But if my phone is laying on top of a hockey
| puck...it's gonna go flying if I trip on the cable.
|
| Why couldn't we fill in the lightning port and use flush surface
| contacts, like the MagSafe of yesteryear?
|
| I'm also not sure why my case needs to magnetize to my device,
| getting rid of the lip around the screen that made it less cringe
| to lay my phone face down.
|
| Am I missing something? I really don't understand this feature.
|
| EDIT: did I see an AirPower reboot in there or am I dreaming?
| kube-system wrote:
| My phone always slides off the center of my wireless charger in
| my car and it stops charging without me noticing -- I would
| love to have this feature there.
| cmckn wrote:
| True, the alignment help would be great. I had a Palm in like
| 2006 that had a magnetic wireless charging dock. Ended up
| modding a Galaxy Nexus to use it in the car.
| doc_gunthrop wrote:
| There appear to be a lot of people who use those ring-shaped
| grip holders (or a Popsocket, which has a similar
| functionality) that stick to the back of a mobile phone.
|
| It appears you can have either MagSafe or the phone holder, but
| not both. Does Apple have a solution for this?
| prh8 wrote:
| They discussed how it could work through silicon cases, I
| wonder if it would work with the Popsocket in flat mode
| varenc wrote:
| In some ways, MagSafe is the replacement for AirPower! It's
| solving the same problem in a much simpler way.
|
| AirPower's big promise was that it didn't require perfect
| alignment to get high power charging. Apple ultimately
| cancelled it, likely because this proved too difficult to do
| safely.
|
| MagSafe is a much simpler solution to the same problem. Instead
| of carefully aligning your phone, the magnets just "suck" your
| phone to the optimal charging position.
| [deleted]
| xnx wrote:
| Being able to dock a device for charging with one hand (very
| difficult with a cable) is very nice. Wireless is superior to
| surface contacts because you can mount orient your phone in
| different directions without needing to account for the cable.
| cmckn wrote:
| Depends how the magnets work; sometimes these types of things
| are pretty opinionated about the orientation. I think a
| "smart connector" approach like the iPad could also be used
| one-handed, but point taken.
| filoleg wrote:
| > Why couldn't we fill in the lightning port and use flush
| surface contacts, like the MagSafe of yesteryear?
|
| I don't remember MagSafe on macbooks ever being truly flush. It
| was less deep of a port than USB, sure, but it was still a
| port.
|
| As for why not, there could be many reasons, but I have a
| feeling it might have something to do with their
| waterproof/dustproof rating. That's just a pure speculation on
| my end though.
|
| Or, more likely, it is simply because swapping the lightning
| port with a magsafe one would make the phone pretty much
| impossible to use while charging. But with a lightning port +
| magsafe wireless charging, you get to have both use cases
| covered (using while charging with lightning, drop off for an
| overnight charge on your magsafe charging surface).
| cmckn wrote:
| MagSafe wasn't flush, no; but I don't think this is an
| inherent requirement. I think it'd be possible to make
| something flat on both the cable and device side.
|
| > swapping the lightning port with a MagSafe one would make
| the phone pretty much impossible to use while charging
|
| How so? I used my MacBook in bed while charging with MagSafe
| all the time. The magnets were fairly strong. With a cable
| going away from the bottom of the device, I think it'd be
| perfectly usable.
|
| As far as waterproofing, getting rid of the lightning port
| seems inevitable, because it allows for better hermetic
| sealing. A flush set of pins seems great for this goal,
| surely it's trivial to avoid shorting something out in the
| prescience of liquid? (I am not an electrical engineer)
| blantonl wrote:
| I think the concept of the wallet that can quickly snap on and
| off of the phone is pretty neat. I currently use a case that
| has a wallet functionality (for my driver's license and credit
| cards) and that doesn't allow me to use wireless charging
| without completely taking the case off.
| cmckn wrote:
| True, the wallet and pop socket support is a great point.
| poisonborz wrote:
| Besides the convenience, it must be a way for Apple to
| eventually drop the charging port completely, maybe even with
| the next version. No police data tampering, but also no
| jailbreaks, a physically walled device.
| fudged71 wrote:
| I assume with MagSafe you can now plug your cable port (if you
| don't use accessories) allowing the whole device to be
| basically sealed
| curiouser2 wrote:
| It's likely solve the gap of "I can't use my phone while it's
| wirelessly charging". With the magsafe thing you can just clunk
| the charger to the back of your phone and keep using it. While
| battery life is still crap on these (side note - I didn't hear
| a single thing in the presentation about battery life... yikes)
| people are going to be charging their phones while they use
| them.
|
| I hate to be a pessimist but with them not including a charger
| or headphones, they're slowly moving toward no data port
| whatsoever
| cmckn wrote:
| I guess my confusion is basically that: if I want to use my
| phone while it charges, I just plug it in with a lightning
| cable. I don't need it to "wirelessly" charge if I'm having
| to connect something to the device anyway. It seems to be a
| weird 3rd option for charging.
|
| They're definitely getting rid of the port, maybe next year.
| DominikPeters wrote:
| Two advantages: (1) the Lightning port can wear out if used
| often, but the magnets won't; (2) you can attach and remove
| the phone from a magnetic charger with one hand and without
| looking / in the dark.
| contravariant wrote:
| >the Lightning port can wear out if used often
|
| Wait what? I hope you're just saying it can get scratched
| or warped with rough/improper use.
| gnicholas wrote:
| Plugging also charges faster than inductive charging, so
| when you 'need' to charge your phone you should prefer
| plugging direct.
| hajile wrote:
| Site claims about the same with small pro losing an estimated
| hour and mini having 5 hours or so less.
| FoomFries wrote:
| Magnetic force falls off pretty quickly - a phone case can
| cause enough of a difference to make that force lackluster.
| Apparently, it seems, enough to put magnets in the case itself
| to better maintain that force.
|
| Additionally, it looks like the goal is to let your phone be
| held vertically, while attached only to the magnet. This makes
| sense for car mounts, where you may want to mount your GPS via
| magnet and charge it simultaneously.
| cmckn wrote:
| Car mounts are a great point, thanks! I hope those magnets
| are strong though.
| bredren wrote:
| I also thought the usability of the charger was odd.
|
| It seems you would pick the phone up and if you didn't grab and
| put down the charging disk, it would go clunk and hit the
| ground.
|
| Sort of like the watch charger will do if it isn't in a holder.
| Except louder and more expensive to replace.
|
| This was actually shown in the "snap" video they showed where a
| phone was pulled away.
|
| I couldn't understand, are we expected to adhesive this to our
| bedside stand? Velcro adhesive? Use some other accessory that
| holds it down?
|
| It just feels incomplete to me.
|
| The cases and wallet thing seem great but I don't get this
| charger.
| cmckn wrote:
| Totally! Apple is amazing at getting the tolerances on
| magnets, hinges, etc just right, but I don't see how you
| could get by without a suction cup or something on the bottom
| of the hockey puck.
|
| A downside to wireless chargers has always been alignment. I
| always do a double take to make sure my phone is actually
| charging. Having the magnets guide the phone onto the coils
| is an improvement, I guess.
| servercobra wrote:
| Personally, I'm waiting for it to release before jumping to
| conclusions. It's possible it's weighted so this isn't an
| issue, or the magnet is just strong enough to hold it in
| place but make it easy to pick up. Apple's usually pretty
| decent about providing a nice UX for these kinds of things.
| But I do agree the watch charger is a weird thing that pretty
| much requires a stand to feel complete.
| philihp wrote:
| > Why not flush surface contacts?
|
| Cases then need to have an exposed area for charging, and the
| surface contacts lower the weather resistance.
| justusthane wrote:
| $99 HomePod looks great and is in a nice spot to compete with
| Echo. $399 was way too much.
| brian-armstrong wrote:
| Still no headphone jack :(
| auggierose wrote:
| Really? Still? Let me break it to you. THERE WILL NEVER AGAIN
| BE A HEADPHONE JACK.
| flixic wrote:
| I'd stop holding my breath for that, considering they are even
| removing the Lightning headphones from the box.
| suyash wrote:
| No matter how much they tout the video and picture quality, it's
| still behind DSLR and pro's can't use it until it beats DSLR at
| it's own game. LIDAR was interesting but I only see very limited
| use case for it.
| azhenley wrote:
| Just because a tiny phone with a camera doesn't beat my big
| mirrorless+lenses setup doesn't mean I don't welcome the
| advances.
| coldtea wrote:
| > _No matter how much they tout the video and picture quality,
| it 's still behind DSLR and pro's can't use it until it beats
| DSLR at it's own game._
|
| Pros increasingly don't use DSLR nowadays, the use mirrorless
| cameras.
|
| That nit, aside, it's not about replacing DSLR/Mirroless FF
| cameras for Pros (which it will never do).
|
| It's about having great video/picture quality for the average
| user and the ocassional pro use (which it does).
|
| I have used it in pro contexts, as have many others (including
| several prime time TV shows and even movies). For photography
| it's even more of a non-brainer...
| ebg13 wrote:
| > _No matter how much they tout the video and picture quality,
| it 's still behind DSLR and pro's can't use it until it beats
| DSLR at it's own game._
|
| Steven Soderbergh would like a word with you.
| https://petapixel.com/2018/01/30/steven-soderbergh-shot-late...
| iwasakabukiman wrote:
| Obviously it will be hard for a phone with 1/10th the z index
| to fit the same optics that a DSLR came.
|
| But I work in video production and I can tell you that for 99%
| of people, there is absolutely no reason to buy a separate
| camera.
|
| What Apple and other smartphone makers have managed to achieve
| in such small and (relatively, compared to a full frame DSLR)
| inexpensive items is pretty amazing.
|
| They have such good quality that when I need to grab a quick
| pickup shot, I can easily use my phone's camera and drop the
| footage in with a pro cine-style camera. There are tons of apps
| that will let you shoot with full manual control or even flat
| color profiles.
|
| People have shot entire, commercially released movies on their
| smartphones. Once you get to a certain image quality, it's not
| about the image quality but the artistic content/merit of said
| image.
| supernova87a wrote:
| It's the annual incremental improvement, and many will like the
| smaller form factor too I'm guessing.
|
| But the whole 5G hype is lost on me. Specifically, none of the
| carriers or handset makers are telling me _how much the data will
| cost_. Maybe I 'm a little price-focused, but that determines for
| me whether I'm excited about it.
|
| If I'm just burning through my existing data limit faster, what's
| the point? What's the _pricing_ of this new data capability?
| suyash wrote:
| Yup, multiple incremental improvements is what I heard, will
| pass on this one and wait for iPhone 13 now.
| strombofulous wrote:
| I really hope that we come back to this comment in 10 years and
| it's weird that this was ever a concern (like what happened
| with texting/voice)
| supernova87a wrote:
| Well, I hope so too!
|
| But it's in the intermediate stage when things are scarce
| that the price matters, or rate-limiting/throttling/etc
| matters.
|
| You go to South Korea, and they would laugh to think that the
| US has monthly bandwidth limits, or is talking about net
| neutrality. Speed and pipe size take care of all issues some
| distant day in the future.
|
| Yet here we are, living in the past.
| OwlsParlay wrote:
| For tthe number one economy, the US is weirdly backwards
| when it comes to technology and infrastructure.
| barbecue_sauce wrote:
| Much of that economy is built on having very specific
| inefficiencies.
| wow_no wrote:
| South Korea doesn't have net neutrality and is more
| oligopolistic than the US
| asutekku wrote:
| A lot of countries do not have data caps in europe. For example
| i'm paying ~$25 a month for unlilimited 100mbps 4g connection
| and unlimited 1gbps 5g is available for around $40/month.
| illuminati1911 wrote:
| The whole 5G thing is just complete bullshit. After the tech
| has flopped pretty much worldwide and Verizon's and AT&T's "5G
| REMOTE SURGERY" and "RACE TO 5G" marketing bs didn't get
| consumers interested, they finally decided as a last resort to
| pay Apple and see if that will be enough to push this
| technology through.
| gruez wrote:
| >Verizon's and AT&T's "5G REMOTE SURGERY" and "RACE TO 5G"
| marketing bs didn't get consumers interested
|
| who are the ads supposed to be targeted to? why should I, as
| a consumer care about 5g remote surgery? it's not like only
| at&t subscribers have access to remote surgery.
| dylan-m wrote:
| I always found that one the most egregious of their stupid
| marketing BS. It's a blatantly terrible idea. If you're
| designing a robot surgeon, please don't rely on (or even
| allow) a wireless connection, and please design it in a way
| that handles low latency well enough that the incremental
| gains offered by 5G are basically moot. There's enough that
| can go wrong as it is. The thought of 5G actually
| _enabling_ something here is frightening.
| 0xB31B1B wrote:
| disagree, sort of. The marketing was always shit, but the 2
| big differences between LTE and 5G are latency and cell size.
|
| Cell size matters because there is a ceiling for how many
| devices an LTE cell can support in a certain range. Thats why
| you get crappy speeds/connectivity's at
| concerts/events/crowded areas. As I understand it, 5g can
| support more devices per cell, and also can have smaller
| cells for more connection density. With latency, LTE has a
| baked in 300ms min latency that 5g does not, so 5g can be
| used for latency sensitive applications.
| p49k wrote:
| You mean 30ms as a baked in minimum, right? Because I just
| checked my LTE connection and am getting ~40ms ping to
| google.com.
| Foivos wrote:
| The minimum latency of LTE is around 15 ms. For 5G,
| depending on the configuration, it is 1 ms.
| WA wrote:
| What's the point of 5G when I don't even have LTE in many
| rural areas? I'd rather have LTE everywhere than a faster
| download rate when in a city but not at home.
| snazz wrote:
| Cell carriers try to optimize for places with the highest
| population densities, so they focus on faster speeds in
| cities over slower speeds everywhere. It's a fine balance.
| throw51319 wrote:
| Yeah it's completely useless lol.
|
| All of this buzz so that a bunch of nerds can do speed tests
| and post them online.
|
| What's the use? Youtube vids a second faster. Upload stuff to
| instagram .5 sec faster.
|
| Nobody wants tech to be so intrusive in life anyway.
| phjesusthatguy3 wrote:
| It hasn't flopped; It just won't be available to the majority
| of people on the planet for a very long time.
| dmix wrote:
| That's basically the only problem. The marketing pushed it
| way too early, as they tend to do, but just way too cheery
| for what the reality is going to be.
|
| But otherwise it is a serious and legitimate leap forward.
|
| Of course it's nearly impossible to tell the sales people
| to keep the expectations in line with reality. Which I'm
| sure Verizon/ATT/etc all had engineers who knew the
| reality.
|
| It's just business from hyper competitive companies where
| most customers won't see much of anything for years.
|
| Customers will figure it out down the line, the companies
| are just kicking the can to try to exploit it for now
| before the other guy.
|
| It's cynical but predictable.
| Analemma_ wrote:
| I seriously saw some """"national security experts"""" claim
| that America was doomed to sink beneath the waves if we
| didn't deploy 5G first. It was a truly shameless level of
| nonsense.
| quesera wrote:
| Since you do not include a reference to this "shameless
| nonsense", it would be reasonable for us to wonder if you
| are exaggerating in service of some preconceived beliefs of
| your own.
| rurp wrote:
| I remember reading those same types of stories a couple
| years ago, where winning the 5G marketing game was being
| discussed as if it was critical to the future of the
| country. Much like GP I didn't bother to bookmark the
| stories or go looking for them, but I am sure they are
| still out there if you care to look.
| mycall wrote:
| 5G isn't bullshit, but it will be years before the standards
| are completed to do novel things, like Vehicle-To-Pedestrian
| (V2P) -- imagine cars sensing humans and no longer running
| into them.
| Polylactic_acid wrote:
| What its marketed as is bullshit. 5G seems essential to fit
| more devices in packed spaces like sports stadiums.
| Marketers are trying to convince users that 5g is
| absolutely essential even if you aren't quite sure what for
| yet. The news post I read today listed 4g as enabling video
| streaming and 5g as enabling "Hyperfast gaming and
| augmented reality". What a load of meaningless bullshit.
|
| I'm not going to be one of those "the eye can't even see
| 60fps" people but lets not pretend that 5g is going to be
| anything but an incremental infrastructure upgrade that
| won't affect people in a non congested area.
| endlessvoid94 wrote:
| Negative.
|
| It will be a slower rollout due to the costs and
| infrastructure requirements, but 5g (from Verizon at least)
| will be faster than your home cable connection. That's a big
| deal.
| [deleted]
| Damogran6 wrote:
| Outdoors. It doesn't propagate through walls very well.
|
| I wonder if there isn't going to be an outside 5g to inside
| wifi bridge as a thing.
| Foivos wrote:
| Only mmWave 5G, as of now mostly used in the USA, has
| this problem. Sub6 5G has similar propagation to LTE.
| Sub6 has way less capacity than mmWave though.
|
| I guess in the future operators will use both frequency
| ranges in parallel in a macro/micro cell format. If you
| happen to be within the range of a mmWave micro base
| station you will use it. If not the sub6 macro base
| station will make sure you remain connected with "good
| enough" speed.
| Nextgrid wrote:
| LTE already allows 150Mbps symmetrical on an iPhone 8
| (real-world speed test in London), and probably more on the
| newer phones.
|
| The problem with mobile data has never been the raw speed -
| that is already fast enough. The problem was always how
| it's being sold (whether data caps, the overall - terrible
| - customer experience and the BS the industry is constantly
| pulling like AT&T sharing data for marketing purposes), and
| switching to a different technology won't magically change
| that.
| tjohns wrote:
| From a technical perspective, it actually is a bit of a
| problem.
|
| First, remember that speed is shared with everyone using
| the same tower (sector) as you. As data usage goes up,
| that will drop. In a major city where cell density is
| high it's less of a problem, but it's already an issue in
| more rural/suburban areas where cells are larger. There
| are plenty of places in the US that have LTE coverage,
| but the speed is actually pretty poor.
|
| Second, there are some limit on the number of devices
| each tower can support. With embedded devices
| increasingly relying on cellular, we're expecting to hit
| those limits. So 5G allows for future system growth.
|
| And as for data caps... more available bandwidth does
| help lower prices. Those prices are, at least in part,
| set in order to manage system load. More capacity means
| they can relax the pricing and/or caps.
| Nextgrid wrote:
| I am aware of this, but data caps don't solve this
| problem either.
|
| Data caps do nothing if everyone in a crowded area has
| plenty of "data" remaining and start using it all at
| once.
|
| The reverse is also true, you can have towers in a low-
| usage area at night that are basically just burning
| energy, and yet if you run out of "data" you can no
| longer use it; so the RF airtime is essentially wasted as
| the only customer wishing to use it at that time &
| location is unable to.
|
| Furthermore what about the "data" that somehow "expires"
| at the end of the month? That doesn't make sense either
| and proves this pricing model is just a bullshit
| extortion strategy and is very bad at actually addressing
| the problem of limited RF airtime.
|
| The proper solution is to charge for a bandwidth, not
| data. The more you pay the more bandwidth you get
| allocated, and users can choose which plan they want
| based on their usage patterns.
| ricardobeat wrote:
| > Data caps do nothing if everyone in a crowded area has
| plenty of "data" remaining and start using it all at
| once.
|
| But 5G does make a difference, that's what the parent
| comment was trying to tell you. It allows high-density
| crowds to continue having high-speed access, something
| that is not possible today. You can barely make a phone
| call on NYE.
| dv_dt wrote:
| The key technology design dimension cell towers of almost
| any generation gives you is the the ability to tradeoff
| cell sizes and numbers of nodes with density of users.
| Maybe 5G gives you some incremental improvements on that,
| but it was always possible to put in more towers for more
| users.
|
| US telecom companies in particular have always been at
| loath to share any cost savings with the end consumer -
| so I don't think consumers have any reason to be exited
| over marginal 5G gains on efficiency.
| bruckie wrote:
| Mobile data definitely had a raw speed problem in 2007
| when the iPhone (EDGE) was introduced. (It had a "how
| it's being sold" problem, then, too.)
|
| But I agree with your broad point: pricing is way more
| important today than speed for most customers.
| suyash wrote:
| Wait till you start seeing health risks increase with more
| exposure to 5G radiation, now it's in your pocket.
| Nextgrid wrote:
| Once we _see_ them we can investigate them and adjust our
| understanding of RF 's health effects and modify the
| technology to make sure it's safe.
|
| So far nobody has proven that the RF frequencies & transmit
| powers used in 5G (or any other wireless networking
| technology, for that matter) are harmful.
| oliv__ wrote:
| When you say proven, what do you mean? There is strong
| evidence that points to the fact that it is in fact
| harmful.
|
| Edit: links to studies in my comment below:
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24769003
| Nextgrid wrote:
| Have there been any studies that passed peer review,
| weren't disproved and ended up being published in a
| reputable journal?
|
| All the "evidence" I found for the harmful effects of RF
| ended up being flawed or outright quack.
| ativzzz wrote:
| You can't just say "there is strong evidence" without
| showing it.
| oliv__ wrote:
| Downvote this all you want but non-thermal effects are
| real. Educate yourselves
| throwanem wrote:
| Non-thermal, so, ionizing? Ionizing microwave radiation?
| Which doesn't exist?
| oliv__ wrote:
| I said non-thermal effects, I didn't say non-thermal
| radiation
| throwanem wrote:
| So, what, then? Resonance? I mean, if you're not talking
| about thermal effects, and you're not talking about
| ionization, then mechanical interactions seem to be
| pretty much all that's left.
| flixic wrote:
| Can you share any reputable studies of these effects? The
| amount of crazy conspiracies around 5G makes finding
| these "real" problems impossible, even if I'm skeptical
| about your claim considering the amount of information to
| the contrary.
| suyash wrote:
| Scientific American article with numerous citations
| highlighting the risks for 5G Radiation :
| https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/we-
| have-no...
| ipsum2 wrote:
| That's a blog from some independent author, doesn't look
| like its an official Scientific American article:
| https://www.scientificamerican.com/author/joel-m-
| moskowitz/
|
| As an aside, I hate that news media have turned into
| essentially Medium, where anyone can write anything under
| their name. Good way to throw away your hard-earned
| prestige, e.g. Forbes sites.
| suyash wrote:
| "indecent author" - look at this credentials, if he is
| not an expert in this area then I don't know who is
|
| "Joel M. Moskowitz, PhD, is director of the Center for
| Family and Community Health in the School of Public
| Health at the University of California, Berkeley. He has
| been translating and disseminating the research on
| wireless radiation health effects since 2009 after he and
| his colleagues published a review paper that found long-
| term cell phone users were at greater risk of brain
| tumors. His Electromagnetic Radiation Safety website has
| had more than two million page views since 2013. He is an
| unpaid advisor to the International EMF Scientist Appeal
| and Physicians for Safe Technology."
| ipsum2 wrote:
| "independent author" != "indecent author".
| duskwuff wrote:
| > if he is not an expert in this area then I don't know
| who is
|
| Someone with a degree in a relevant subject (biology or
| physics) who has performed research on the topic. Dr.
| Moskowitz has neither; his degrees are in mathematics and
| social psychology, and the article he published was a
| meta-analysis (i.e, a summary of other research in the
| field), not primary research.
| oliv__ wrote:
| Well for one, the US's own National Toxicology Program
| (NTP) found that "high exposure to radio frequency
| radiation to be associated with cancer in male rats".
| These results were released in 2018 and this was the
| world's largest study on the topic at $25MM.
|
| The EUROPA EM-EMF Guideline 2016 states that "there is
| strong evidence that long-term exposure to certain EMFs
| is a risk factor for diseases such as certain cancers,
| Alzheimer's disease, and male infertility:
| https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27454111
|
| There are more links to studies here:
| http://www.5gappeal.eu/the-5g-appeal/
|
| Please share your considerable amount of information
| pointing to the contrary, I'd love to read it and see who
| funded it.
| strictnein wrote:
| I mean, if you're going to cite something you might want
| to read it first:
|
| "The exposures used in the studies cannot be compared
| directly to the exposure that humans experience when
| using a cell phone,"
|
| ...
|
| "In our studies, rats and mice received radio frequency
| radiation across their whole bodies. By contrast, people
| are mostly exposed in specific local tissues close to
| where they hold the phone. In addition, the exposure
| levels and durations in our studies were greater than
| what people experience.""
|
| https://factor.niehs.nih.gov/2018/11/feature/1-feature-
| radia...
| oliv__ wrote:
| Really? I guess the radiation doesn't affect your whole
| body when you're walking down the street and you get
| close to a cellular tower (you get pretty damn close to
| them with 5G cells), or say when you take a crowded
| subway and someone's making a call right next to you (oh
| and the phone will likely amp up its radiation power in
| there to be able to hop from tower to tower and maintain
| a connection in a moving cage of metal). Just two
| examples out of a million
|
| Edit: how am I dismissing your point? I literally just
| addressed it. And get off your high horse, as though it
| is completely wacky to consider that something that
| permeates your environment could possibly have harmful
| effects on your body
| throwanem wrote:
| > as though it is completely wacky to consider that
| something that permeates your environment could possibly
| have harmful effects on your body
|
| In this case, it kind of is! Human tissue is full of
| water, and water is a _terrible_ transmission medium for
| RF energy, with penetration depth decreasing as a
| function of frequency. This is why submarine radio is
| receive-only and operates at a rate of characters per
| minute [1], why fully in-ear Bluetooth earbuds tend to
| drop out more than other designs, and why I 'm not
| actually worried about low-power GHz-range RF signals
| like 5G. I'll get skin cancer from sunburns _long_ before
| I 'll get any kind of cancer from thermal radiation that
| can't even penetrate my stratum corneum.
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremely_low_frequency
| strictnein wrote:
| lol - so you want to cite the study, but when you don't
| like what it says you just decide that you can dismiss
| that part of it? Why did I even bother...
| brlewis wrote:
| You are dismissing the paper's authors when they say
| "exposure levels and durations in our studies were
| greater than what people experience" by assuming they're
| ignorant of exposure levels and durations that people
| experience.
| SketchySeaBeast wrote:
| It looks like a 5G array puts out about 120 Watts[1], and
| that's not attempting to calculate drop-off due to
| distance, while the sun puts out an exposure of 1,000
| W/m2[2] on the Earth's surface at much much higher
| frequencies (5G tops out at 3Ghz, light starts at 430 THz
| - we know that the greater the frequency the greater the
| harm). Really, if we are worried about 5G then normal
| sunlight is in most measures orders of magnitude worse.
|
| [1]https://www.grandmetric.com/2019/03/26/5g-health-
| issues-expl... [2]https://ag.tennessee.edu/solar/Pages/Wh
| at%20Is%20Solar%20Ene...
| Bud wrote:
| The sun "completely permeates our environment", too. With
| radiation and energy levels many orders of magnitude
| higher.
| pantulis wrote:
| That's the carrier stuff, they will figure it out. Remember how
| ridiculous were data caps with GMTS?
| gnicholas wrote:
| I called AT&T to look into their service, and the rep said "all
| of our plans are unlimited data, it's just a question of how
| much you want to be able to hotspot". I can see why they're
| reframing things to call all their plans 'unlimited' in a 5G
| world, since most people will not sign up to pay more for 5G
| service. They will ask what the real-world difference will be,
| and then probably decline to pay even $10/mo more for it.
|
| But if everything is 'unlimited' and they're differentiating
| based on amount of hotspot or throttling after a certain point,
| they're effectively charging you for high speed without making
| it seem like a surcharge.
|
| After 20 seconds on the phone I knew it wasn't for me. I rarely
| leave the house during COVID, so I hardly use any data. I'm
| saving 50% going with a different company.
| isoprophlex wrote:
| I had the misfortune of charging my iPhone via usb connected to
| my laptop while working. This triggered the 4G tethering, so i
| spent an afternoon working on my cellular data plan...
| schlepping multi-gb csv files around. I didn't even notice
| anything, until my data plan ran out.
|
| I honestly wouldn't mind _slower_ than 4G speeds. With 4G it 's
| already bordering on ridiculous how quickly you can burn up a
| data plan.
| jpxw wrote:
| Surely 5G can only make sense on an unlimited plan.
|
| Or the limits are going to have to become ridiculously big.
| You could burn a 30G/month limit in 10 seconds in "ideal
| conditions".
| dylan604 wrote:
| Your laptop chose to override an existing WiFi/LAN connection
| to use a tethered phone USB connection? That seems highly
| unusual. I plug my phone into my laptop all of the time, and
| the tether has never overridden my WiFi. I've never had to
| use it, but macOS allows you to order the available networks
| according to your preference. Did you perhaps do this and
| forgot about it?
| offtop5 wrote:
| Most of the time you hit soft caps at 40gb, with 4gbp you can
| hit your cap in 40 seconds !
| hughw wrote:
| 10 secs but yeah
| nlitened wrote:
| Hey, there are iPhone users not only in US, but also in
| countries with cheap data plans!
| chrisseaton wrote:
| > none of the carriers or handset makers are telling me how
| much the data will cost
|
| Data is included in my contract where I live - is that not the
| case where you live?
|
| > If I'm just burning through my existing data limit faster,
| what's the point?
|
| To get the same data... faster? Isn't that good? And is your
| data limited in some way? I never ever reach my limit no matter
| what I do.
| macjohnmcc wrote:
| yeah my carrier (Verizon) doesn't have good enough coverage for
| me to enjoy the full speed that 4G can offer so I don't care to
| pay more for 5G when it has little to no chance to meet the
| promised performance.
| cblconfederate wrote:
| > iphone enables people to do more and more every day
|
| Not entirely true , e.g. they can't play fortnite or other
| unreal-based games
|
| Among Covid, uncertainty, and people moving, i m not sure it's
| the best time to present their most expensive phone, esp. now
| that comparable phones are half the price. 5G is exciting? hm
| most people use their phones in crappy wifi for years, plus it's
| not like apple built the 5G infrastrucutre. (plus there's noone
| to show off to at this time)
| sercand wrote:
| It is Epic's decision to not put the fortnite to iPhones and
| they can play unreal-based games like PUBG.
| curiousgal wrote:
| Apple makes the best phones hands down but my only problem is
| with iOS. Granted it's been more and more "Androidesque" as of
| late but still.
| nfoz wrote:
| Can you be a bit more substantial? What is it from Android that
| you would prefer on iOS?
| curiousgal wrote:
| The overall sense of control I have over the system. With iOS
| it feels like I am using someone else's phone, it's not as
| customizable/optimizable. I can't install other apps on it
| (outside the store that is) and the entire dev process feels
| so..gated. I want my phone to be an extension of my tech
| environment, something I can automate and freely fiddle with.
|
| It might sound petty but having to jump through hoops to use
| a custom ringtone was the nail in the coffin.
| sz4kerto wrote:
| iPhone 12 Pro Max with Super Retina XDR display covered by
| Ceramic Shield.
|
| I personally think this is simply too much.
| mkoc wrote:
| ...looks like iPhone 5
| saagarjha wrote:
| It's not chamfered :/
| johnflan wrote:
| Wont the magnets in the phone stick to keys, coins, stuff on the
| desk etc?
| mikkelam wrote:
| Really hoping for an ARM macbook today
| someelephant wrote:
| Just make sure you don't purchase a first gen unless you are a
| masochist.
| mikkelam wrote:
| That's probably a good idea. I do expect the battery gains as
| well as speeds be massive though. I suspect at least 50%
| longer lasting battery, and less burning of my laps
| [deleted]
| _ph_ wrote:
| Not very likely, they will want to reserve a seperate
| announcement for the new Apple Silicon Macs - probably more
| than one.
| birdiesanders wrote:
| It'll be worse than you think it will be.
| [deleted]
| MuffinFlavored wrote:
| Why's that?
| ActorNightly wrote:
| Take a look at any of the "new" releases of Macbooks over
| the past couple of years, and all the problems that people
| have with them. From butterfly keyboards, to having to
| charge through right side to avoid CPU slow down, to all
| the problems with software in Catalina especially how it
| breaks features on older Macbooks, e.t.c
|
| IMO anyone who actually gives about tech should have
| stopped buying Macbooks since they started soldering SSDs
| into the board.
| foldr wrote:
| It makes a lot of technical sense to solder SSDs to the
| board given the insane speed of modern SSDs. Solder
| joints are much better than a connector for a high
| bandwidth link. Even tiny parasitic capacitances become a
| major headache.
| hombre_fatal wrote:
| There's a lot more to care about in the world than
| whether or not my laptop's SSD is soldered to the mobo.
| saagarjha wrote:
| People want to see new processors.
| falcolas wrote:
| I've heard that announcement is likely to come in yet another
| event in November.
| justusthane wrote:
| Me too. I just read that it's likely delayed until 2021 though:
| https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2020/08/12/new-macbo...
|
| Minor MacBook update possible in Nov or Dec.
| xwdv wrote:
| Very powerful upgrade. You could use this latest iPhone to
| control a spacecraft that takes you to the lunar surface and
| back.
| illuminati1911 wrote:
| It felt more like Verizon 5G event than Apple event.
|
| I wonder how much they paid Apple for this?
| xmichael0 wrote:
| meh...
| Hamuko wrote:
| The most disappointing aspect to me is that the difference
| between the Pro and the Pro Max is no longer just the size. I'm
| quite fond of the size of my 11 Pro and I don't really want to be
| upsold to the Pro Max if I want the best.
| whoisburbansky wrote:
| Hasn't it always been the case that the Pro Max has a better
| camera package?
| QuixoticQuibit wrote:
| Not the last two iterations with the X generation design (XS
| and 11 Pro had feature parity between regular and Max
| versions).
| saagarjha wrote:
| Not for Pro Max, since they're new and Apple stopped doing
| this recently. But the Plus models usually had a better
| camera.
| whoisburbansky wrote:
| Ah I see now, the only difference was screen size
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| majormajor wrote:
| The 12 Pro is larger than the 11 Pro too, which is a double
| kick there if you wanted to stay on the top camera without
| going up in size.
| 8ytecoder wrote:
| The Pro and the Pro Max are exactly the same except for the
| camera and the battery.
|
| https://www.apple.com/iphone-12-pro/specs/
| WillPostForFood wrote:
| It has been a lost opportunity not to take advantage of the
| extra size to improve the the features for the max.
| jiros982 wrote:
| Welcome to the lives of people that prefer smaller phones.
| xmichael0 wrote:
| meh...
| pmarreck wrote:
| Still no transparent TouchID? Boooooo.
|
| (Am I the only one who hates FaceID and feels like it was mostly
| a neat engineering problem to work on that doesn't actually suit
| the task as well as simple fingerprinting?)
| supernova87a wrote:
| None of the carriers or handset makers are telling me how much
| the data will cost. Maybe I'm a little price-focused, but that
| determines for me whether I'm excited about it.
|
| If I'm just burning through my existing data limit faster, what's
| the point? What's the pricing of this new data capability?
| techsupporter wrote:
| > Specifically, none of the carriers or handset makers are
| telling me how much the data will cost.
|
| But...they are telling you? It's right there on each of their
| plan pages.
|
| * Verizon: $80/month plus taxes for one line with 5G on Play
| More Unlimited - https://www.verizon.com/plans/unlimited/
|
| * T-Mobile: $60/month plus taxes for one line with 5G on
| Magenta or $70/month with taxes included on Magenta Plus -
| https://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phone-plans?lines=1
|
| * AT&T : $65/month plus taxes for one line with 5G -
| https://www.att.com/plans/wireless/
| supernova87a wrote:
| Ah, well thanks for that info, I did not see that.
|
| So it seems that at least at the low end, 5G add on costs
| something like $0-10/month, depending on carrier.
| delish wrote:
| From the Verizon link you posted:
|
| Lowest plan: "In times of congestion, your data may be
| temporarily slower than other traffic."
|
| Upper plans: "Get access to 50GB of 4G LTE premium data per
| month. ... . In times of congestion, your data may be
| temporarily slower than other traffic after exceeding
| 50GB/mo/line."
|
| Of course, that's 4G, not 5G, but before they tell you
| whether or at what point they throttle 5G, I can't say what
| "having unlimited 5G" means.
|
| For context, it looks like this means what a commenter on a
| Verizon forum says (quoting verbatim, looks like the GB
| numbers changed):
|
| "Verizon has 3 levels of unlimited data plans. The cheapest
| one has the possibility of being "throttled" AT ANY TIME
| there is congestion on the local towers. The mid-tier has no
| throttling until you have used at least 22 GB in a month on a
| line. The highest tier has no throttling until you have used
| at least 75 GB in a month on a line."
|
| from 2019: https://community.verizonwireless.com/t5/4G-LTE-
| LTE-Advanced...
| jdofaz wrote:
| I'm pretty sure all t-mobile customers automatically have
| access to 5G, even prepaid.
| whoisburbansky wrote:
| The optical stabilization by moving the sensor looks pretty
| incredible, it's kind of nuts that it's even possible to do that.
| clarkmoody wrote:
| It's been available in camera lenses and sensors for
| decades[0]. That doesn't diminish the cool factor, but Apple
| didn't invent it, by a long shot.
|
| [0]
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_stabilization#Optical_im...
| whoisburbansky wrote:
| No, of course, I'd just previously assumed it was the sort of
| thing only a couple thousand dollars worth of. You might also
| want to link to the section on In-Body Stabilization instead,
| since that's what I was specifically calling out here.
| iPhones have had lens OIS for a while now, unless I'm
| mistaken.
| brundolf wrote:
| Apple's putting me in a tough position here. My XS still works
| like new, but the Mini is basically my ideal form-factor.
| skrtskrt wrote:
| Same, it looks awesome but I'm thinking I might hold out a year
| for a 12s Mini or whatever they will call it.
|
| Maybe 5G will be more compelling in a year.
| brundolf wrote:
| Yeah, I couldn't really care less about 5G
| slg wrote:
| LIDAR: Cheap enough for a $999 phone but too expensive for a
| $35,000 car.
| ben174 wrote:
| You realize the lidar distance for a car would be entirely
| different. It's a way different beast.
| slg wrote:
| The price of a car is 35x the price of a phone. Does the cost
| of the LIDAR scale up 35x when going from phone distances to
| car distances? That is an honest question that I don't know
| the answer to.
| alphakilo wrote:
| I think the use cases for LIDAR in cars are different
| enough that it would definitely scale up the cost of
| implementation
| rtx wrote:
| You need to look into margins.
| Symmetry wrote:
| No, it's more than a factor of 300 price difference for the
| big lidars currently used on cars versus what that thing'd
| cost. The big spinning mirrors in the car lidar really
| bring the price up.
| acd10j wrote:
| Iphone uses orignial kinect style lidar which throws IR beam
| and captures back results (apple bought primesense which was
| the manufacturer of original kinect) , These lidar don't work
| that good under direct sunlight, So cannot be used in cars.
| mikkelam wrote:
| Wow, the mini is only 7.7mm larger than the 2016 iPhone SE. Apple
| actually listened and made new powerful compact sized iPhone.
|
| Too bad i recently dropped my 2016 SE and got the new SE which
| sucks..
| saagarjha wrote:
| 7.7 millimeters is a substantial amount...but I guess I don't
| have a choice so I'll grab the new one anyways.
| yepthatsreality wrote:
| Yeah I just replaced my SE1 with another SE1. While this is
| tempting, it's a bit too little too late as I migrate from
| Iphone to Librem 5.
| fomine3 wrote:
| You've got covid-proof iPhone SE.
| 5tk18 wrote:
| I am curious, what are your complaints about the new SE? I have
| a 2016 SE and am going to upgrade to either the 2020 SE, 12
| mini, or 12. The 2016 SE feels a bit small in my hand (I have
| large hands), but I worry the iPhone 12 regular size will be
| too large.
| cranium wrote:
| Interesting factoid from the footnote: iPhone 12
| mini has not been authorized as required by the rules of the
| Federal Communications Commission. iPhone 12 mini is not, and may
| not be, offered for sale or lease, or sold or leased, until
| authorization is obtained.
| dang wrote:
| (We detached this subthread from
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24768339.)
| 333c wrote:
| Same thing about the iPhone 12 Pro Max on its page. I guess
| that's part of the reason why those two devices go on sale
| later than their respective counterparts.
| trboyden wrote:
| I always get a laugh reading the comments on a new Apple
| offering. This time - OMG! Mini! Until you go back and review the
| specs and style of the original iPhone SE which these new phones
| get their styling from. The original iPhone SE was also smaller
| and lighter.
| saagarjha wrote:
| They're glad because Apple hasn't sold a small iPhone for a
| while.
| supernova87a wrote:
| I wonder if everyone being locked up at home will dampen the
| demand for new data features too. If I'm just sitting with my
| wifi at home, what's the need for 5G?
| colejohnson66 wrote:
| If the phone lasts 5 years and Coronavirus is still causing
| lockdowns, we have bigger problems than 5G usage.
| mromanuk wrote:
| I'm surprised that Apple didn't add a fix or workaround to unlock
| the phone while wearing a face mask. Should be plenty of features
| to recognize a person or the mask can be added.
|
| It's really annoying to loose the unlock with your face feature
| and go back to entering the code while outside.
| dnh44 wrote:
| I've read that if you go to FaceID settings you can "set up an
| alternative appearance" and rescan your face with a mask. I've
| not tried it though.
| amrrs wrote:
| Is this the first iPhone launch without Phil Schiller (in a
| while)? Looks like individual experts have taken over each
| segment of iPhone (from Phil Schiller). Still I miss him!
| briandear wrote:
| Joz is the new Phil.
| whoisburbansky wrote:
| Presumably his transition to Apple Fellow also comes with fewer
| public facing responsibilities?
| muterad_murilax wrote:
| iPhone 12 Mini is the real iPhone 6 I've been waiting for since
| 2013.
| yabones wrote:
| Wireless charging... Now with a bulky connector that attaches
| itself to the phone using magnets!
|
| Did we just innovate ourselves all the way back to Magsafe that
| laptops (used to) have since 2006?
| ihuman wrote:
| Yes, but with more energy lost as heat
| seanmcdirmid wrote:
| I hope so, that wouldn't be a bad thing in my opinion.
| llampx wrote:
| Well, Magsafe was not wireless but you do raise an existing
| point. That the iPhone could have magnets and pogo pins and
| have fast charging without needing it to be wireless, thus
| saving the weight of the charging coil and saving the energy
| lost as heat.
| beervirus wrote:
| Pretty minor improvements over the 11 or even the XS. I think
| I'll sit this one out.
| sebmellen wrote:
| I hope this will finally stop iPhones from shattering so easily.
|
| I remember a few years ago my iPhone 7 screen shattered while in
| my pocket, and just 2 days after the 1 year warranty had ended.
| I've never been so mad as when the "Genius" assistant told me the
| metal frame just sometimes bent and caused the screen to break.
| Seems this couldn't happen with ceramic.
| fomine3 wrote:
| Totally boring for me who don't care cameras. But iPhone 12 mini
| is impressible because it's only 135g with 5G mmwave support. I
| wish it had Touch ID.
| galkk wrote:
| Still no usb-c
| hardwaregeek wrote:
| I don't know if this has been remarked upon, but I kind of
| appreciate the diversity in the presentation. It's not showy or
| contrived; Apple doesn't make a huge deal out of it, but it's
| nice to see a wide variety of genders and races.
| spoopyskelly wrote:
| There are only two genders, how wide of a variety can you have?
| madeofpalk wrote:
| Well, considering the keynote cast used to be exclusively old
| white men...
| kobe_bryant wrote:
| just the way they present stuff like the ceramics or chips is
| very nice, it makes it feel futuristic even when the actual in
| development tech has already advanced years past this point
| Zaheer wrote:
| "Across the iPhone family, we're removing the power adapter and
| EarPods that often go unused, but including the fast-charging
| USB-C to Lightning cable that most people need."
|
| Ouch. Do most people really not use the power adapter?
| ProZsolt wrote:
| The included power adapter is really bad (1A, USB-A). Currently
| nearly all my devices charging via USB-C, except my company
| provided iPhone. I just bought a USB-C to lightning cable so I
| can charge it via my Macbook or Pixel charger
| mcintyre1994 wrote:
| Does everyone except me have a power adapter with a USB-C port
| on it? I've definitely never got one off Apple, though my Apple
| stuff is at least 2 years old so maybe they have been shipping
| them? But if I got one of these phones that cable would be
| useless, except I guess for plugging my phone into my work
| laptop without using a dock.
| macjohnmcc wrote:
| I don't really miss the power adapter as I have so many USB
| power sources and I will never miss those crappy earbuds though
| I do miss the headphone jack.
| Spivak wrote:
| Yeah, having an on-device DAC was really the killer feature
| for me. I'm fine using a lightning-to-3.5mm adapter but
| trying to be clever and putting the DAC in the adapter didn't
| work out super great for me since they seem to break super
| easily.
| TillE wrote:
| I never got the adapter to actually work, it's like there
| would always be bad contact even though the port is clean.
| Extremely unreliable.
|
| I've just stopped listening to music on my phone.
| mathnmusic wrote:
| Any phone that has speakers, must be having an on-device
| DAC, even if there's no headphone jack.
| Spivak wrote:
| Right, I just mean that's it's not connected to the
| lightning port. Apple's lightning-3.5mm adapter conceals
| a small DAC inside compared to Google's approach on the
| older Pixels where USB-C just carried the analog signal
| which I think was a better, albeit more complicated,
| design.
| Rebelgecko wrote:
| I was definitely a bit skeptical of that claim too. Seems
| questionable. I use nearly every charger I've gotten with a
| phone (except for pre-USB ones)
| syspec wrote:
| They will include a charging cable, just not the white box that
| plugs into the outlet
| Spivak wrote:
| I think it's recognizing the (at least true for me) reality
| that I have practically an entire box of wall-to-usb power
| adapters.
| tompazourek wrote:
| Wall-to-USB-C?
| llampx wrote:
| Just buy a new Macbook, it comes with a USB-C charger. :)
| riantogo wrote:
| But you can't plug that into the iPhone. Because the
| phone has lightning port. And the other end of the
| included cable is USC-C male. And all previous adaptors
| (the white box that goes on the wall) are USA-A. So
| yeah... no cookie.
| bzbarsky wrote:
| The Macbook charger has a brick with a female USB-C end,
| and a male-to-male USB-C cable. Which you can unplug from
| the brick and plug in the USB-C-to-lightning cable, in
| theory.
|
| Now if you need to charge both, and you have the one-port
| Macbook, you're SOL. If not, you can plug the phone into
| the laptop...
| riantogo wrote:
| Good solution to boost Macbook sales then, I guess.
| bzbarsky wrote:
| Well, I do hope the proposal to buy a Macbook so you can
| charge your phone was tongue-in-cheek. Because that's a
| pretty daft solution compared to buying
| https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MHJA3AM/A/20w-usb-c-
| power... for $19 if one doesn't have an existing USB-C
| brick.
| ShellfishMeme wrote:
| I have at least three but if you don't why not just buy one
| and be set for the next eight or so years? It does seem
| like a huge waste that every device in the foreseeable
| future will ship with a new USB-C charger that is quite
| redundant.
| khazhoux wrote:
| It's not about not using it, it's that most people already have
| at least one (if not a small pile) of power adapter blocks with
| USB input already.
| noahtallen wrote:
| Right, I have gobs of them too... but they're all USB type A,
| so the included USB C cable with the iPhone 12 is kinda
| weird. People don't have many USB C bricks yet. So I don't
| think the logic of "people have them already" checks out
| robertoandred wrote:
| A lot of people have USB A Lightning cables already.
| whimsicalism wrote:
| In no world do most people have USB-C blocks already.
| rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote:
| Well, anyone who's had an Android in the last few years
| would, and they're widely available (and cheap) online.
|
| The unbundling is obviously just Apple pushing people
| toward their new magsafe charger tech though, (spinning it
| as an environmentally friendly thing) so they can finally
| make the jump to completely portless phones.
| [deleted]
| wtmt wrote:
| To be honest, this move by Apple is good for first world
| countries where many people may keep their older devices and
| power adapters, but will raise the costs in other countries
| where people usually sell their phones (with accessories) and
| replace those with new ones. Oh wait, people in first world
| countries do trade-ins too.
|
| I think a minuscule number of people won't mind this. For the
| rest, these phones are going to cost more than before with the
| additional purchase of adapters.
| snazz wrote:
| You're right, but to add a datapoint, I've done a few phone
| trade-ins that never included power adapters/accessories.
| Just the handset itself.
| erichurkman wrote:
| When I traded my last phone in, I brought in the charger
| and was told to keep it -- that they throw power adapters
| away. No one wants to buy a refurb phone and have the cord
| suddenly fray a month later.
| llampx wrote:
| Calculated to help them sell the fast chargers. Until now,
| every iPhone came with USB-A chargers so yes people have a lot
| of them, but they are allll USB-A.
| Skunkleton wrote:
| Last year's model came with a fast charger in the box.
| joshstrange wrote:
| I actually never take any of the cables out of the box but I'm
| probably more of an edge-case. I take out the phone and use
| Anker cables/Qi-chargers and my AirPods Pro.
| deergomoo wrote:
| Mine sit in the box for years until I accidentally run the old
| one over with the hoover or something. Apple will ditch
| Lightning long before I run out of cables.
|
| Of course, the right thing to do here would be to drop the
| price of the phone by some token amount, like PS10. Sure the
| environment benefit is real, but the real driving force is that
| Apple makes an extra 1% margin on every phone.
| Amorymeltzer wrote:
| Of note: the iPhone 12 mini appears to be slightly smaller and
| lighter than the (current) iPhone SE (2), so is basically the
| phone those of us who prefer phone-sized phones have been asking
| for for years. The price differential of $300 seems reasonable
| (in Apple-adjusted numbers); if I hadn't bought an SE this past
| month (unfortunate toddler-related water incident!) then I'd be
| right in there.
| cgh wrote:
| I just bought an SE about a month ago too. Damn.
| dylan604 wrote:
| Why? It's been leaked for ages that the iPhone announcement
| were coming this month.
|
| I'm only asking because you added Damn as if you were
| disappointed in your timing. I've been holding off waiting to
| see if the 12 was going to be something I'd be interested in,
| or just waiting for the 11 series prices to drop. My 6S+
| works fine, but the capacity is too small.
| Gengar wrote:
| Yeah, I read rumors about the iPhone Mini when the SE 2
| launched. Glad I waited!
| throw51319 wrote:
| Same. They are kings of curating their marketing timeline to
| extract every single dollar out of you.
| jeroen wrote:
| Smaller than the 2nd SE, a bit larger than the 1st one:
|
| https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphoneSE&devic...
| adolph wrote:
| Is the depth measure with or without the camera bump? I was
| not expecting it to be .2mm thinner than SE (1).
| sf_rob wrote:
| Honestly, the only feature that makes me lean towards the SE2
| for my next phone is that I want a fingerprint reader since
| face masks have ruined Face ID
| suyash wrote:
| Here is the comparison between various news models :
| https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/
| strombofulous wrote:
| This page is classic apple. It looks _so nice_ but you can 't
| even compare all four new models at the same time
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| 4K60 Dolby Vision is actually really, really good.
| faitswulff wrote:
| What is Dolby Vision?
| llampx wrote:
| It changes... everything.
| jusujusu wrote:
| A format to store HDR (high dynamic range) content, referring
| to colorspace. The difference to non-HDR is huge on a good
| display and this is the one feature I want to see hands-on on
| these new iPhones..
| jusujusu wrote:
| Yes, it is!
| wiremine wrote:
| I was a bit surprised on how much time they spent on the camera
| tech. I didn't time it, but it felt like they spent more time on
| the camera than things like 5G?
| macintux wrote:
| Intercom made me wish I had a family to use it with. Apple does a
| great job of developing solutions, not just features.
| rstupek wrote:
| Alexa devices also has had this feature for a while now. It is
| nice how the homepod adds the integration with other devices
| though
| gerash wrote:
| Google home has had this for a while too
| ActorNightly wrote:
| >Apple does a great job of developing solutions
|
| Intercom is not a solution. Our house growing up had an
| intercom in every room. We used it for all of 2 days before we
| figured out that simply calling someone loudly was simpler.
|
| Apple is great at providing solutions to problems that they
| tell you that you have.
|
| Not to mention that other device like Alexa already have this.
| thecopy wrote:
| In Switzerland the 12 Mini is available from the 6th Nov, and the
| normal from the 16th of October. Bummer.
| okigan wrote:
| still Lightning connector
|
| where is usb-c as in macbook pro(s) and ipad(s)
| ActorNightly wrote:
| Seem like basically a new camera with a smartphone around it
| kilroy123 wrote:
| Not bad, I think the mini will be popular and I like the mag
| safe.
|
| Still, this is my iPhone wish list:
|
| - USB-C
|
| - 120hz display
|
| - face id AND in screen touch id
|
| - better wireless charging
|
| - dump the notch
| google234123 wrote:
| 120 hz sounds like it would hurt battery life alot.
| dmix wrote:
| Any new developments around their U1 chip (ultra-wide-band radio
| currently used by AirDrop and Find My)?
|
| I remember reading it was building up to releasing a Tile-like
| product called AirTags for finding lost devices:
|
| [Note: couldnt make it through the whole video, so just curious]
|
| https://www.pocket-lint.com/phones/news/apple/149336-how-app...
|
| https://www.pocket-lint.com/gadgets/news/apple/149277-apple-...
| matthewmacleod wrote:
| It's included in the new HomePod thing, and there was a very
| brief demo of someone bringing a phone close to the device and
| the phone showing the current song that it was playing,
| apparently using that technology.
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