[HN Gopher] The AI Who Mistook a Bald Head for a Soccer Ball
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The AI Who Mistook a Bald Head for a Soccer Ball
Author : sogen
Score : 84 points
Date : 2020-11-02 19:03 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| rileymat2 wrote:
| Today my iPhone suggested that I look at an automated album of
| home cooked food from my photos.
|
| It was working pretty well as I scrolled through and then it came
| up with some poop on the ground that for some reason I had taken
| a photo of. Kind of disconcerting.
| frabert wrote:
| Your iPhone is just suggesting you to take some cooking
| classes, no big deal. It's its way of helping.
| saghm wrote:
| I can't say I'm super surprised that their training data didn't
| include pictures of poop, as I imagine (or do I just hope?)
| that most people don't take many pictures of that.
| grp000 wrote:
| Mmmm. Bowl of chocolate ice cream, tasty.
| macinjosh wrote:
| I mean it _was_ food.
| mensetmanusman wrote:
| With the right auto-generated background music, this would have
| been a great dystopian 2020 summary.
| aaron695 wrote:
| This tech is fucking amazing.
|
| Assuming their marketing is correct and it's actually AI they
| would be the only company actually using AI in production in the
| world AFAIK.
|
| They do Ads, Replays, Coaching, better than human ball tracking,
| they mention betting, not sure what.
|
| https://www.pixellot.tv/
|
| You put up a camera that moves with a 5G card then it's just
| software eating the world.
|
| As a parent you NEVER have to go to your kids game again. Which
| since we all love remote working that's the logical next step. We
| don't need humans in our lives at all.
|
| It's rare on HN you see a tech that might actually work and
| integrate into our lives.
|
| You could easily see it as a tool to coach your McDonalds staff.
| This is the future.
| dthul wrote:
| Is that an auto-generated comment? I can't make sense of it at
| all.
| crazygringo wrote:
| I had assumed it was too, took a look at aaron695's comment
| history...
|
| ...and it seems to have enough logical inferences that it
| can't be auto-generated, they're a real person.
|
| But on the other hand a majority (or close to it) of their
| comments are downvoted and similarly full on non-sequiturs.
|
| I have no idea what to make of them...?
| mensetmanusman wrote:
| GTP3 strikes again
| kzrdude wrote:
| If you haven't noticed, a camera + some image recognition
| software is the new industrial sensor.. since the last 20
| years.
| skunkworker wrote:
| Earlier discussion here
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24955651
| snewman wrote:
| Eh, there's nothing new under the sun. The book A Robot Ping-Pong
| Player (https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/robot-ping-pong-player)
| contains an anecdote about the robot mistaking Marvin Minsky's
| head for a ping-pong ball... and taking a swing at him...
|
| See also: https://muq.org/~cynbe/muq/muf3_22.html
| rawoke083600 wrote:
| lol i once played with imagenet and sending in Goku headshot
| (Super Saiyan ) it says it's a pineapple ! I mean I can see why !
| derjames wrote:
| Mathematica mistook Stephen Wolfram for a plunger during an AI
| demonstration on the Lex Fridman podcast.
| jjoonathan wrote:
| It passed the Turing Test.
| karmakaze wrote:
| Either train more with bald players, or do better at choosing the
| 'thing that is being converged upon'. Humans would be able to
| follow a game regardless of the shape or color of the ball's
| appearance.
| ballenf wrote:
| It's a hard task for young kids or anyone not used to watching
| sports. Ever watch a new sport with a child? They frequently
| lose sight/track of the ball/puck/etc.
| jdmichal wrote:
| A lot of it is learned heuristics. Things like how fast the
| ball normally travels, how hard it looks like the player
| threw or hit, game knowledge about places it makes sense for
| the ball to go, etc.
| kzrdude wrote:
| We don't train these algorithms while they are in active,
| live, use. If a human camera man mistook the bald head for
| the ball once in the game, he'd probably only do it once.
| Fernicia wrote:
| I imagine for soccer the task of determining where the ball is
| based on player locations would be a lot harder than you think.
| rm445 wrote:
| 'Spot the ball' was a staple of local newspaper competitions
| - an action shot of a game with the ball removed by
| presumably pre-digital photographic trickery. Entrants were
| invited to mark a cross where they thought the ball might
| have been, and the closest to the original centre co-
| ordinates won a prize.
|
| So yeah, surprisingly tricky, but you could set up a big
| training set along similar lines.
| sosuke wrote:
| I've seen that online with big costs for guesses and
| prizes. Many years ago but I'm sure it is still around. I
| thought about how to computationally determine the ball
| position until I read that the ball position was decided by
| an impartial referee's opinion.
| revbingo wrote:
| Actually not the original co-ordinates, but a point
| arbitrarily decided by a panel. I suspect that's where most
| people went wrong!
|
| https://www.theguardian.com/football/shortcuts/2015/jan/14/
| h...
| commandlinefan wrote:
| Could be worse. An eagle once mistook Aeschylus's bald head for a
| rock and dropped a tortoise on it (expecting the rock to smash
| the tortoise shell), killing Aeschylus.
| https://www.goldencharter.co.uk/news-and-info/2017/six-stran....
| pizza wrote:
| Interesting angle for a funeral service ad..
| [deleted]
| 7402 wrote:
| Actually, I think it was a Bearded Vulture. [0]
|
| [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bearded_vulture
| ed25519FUUU wrote:
| > _To add a further strange twist to the death of Aeschylus,
| Roman author Pliny, suggested that Aeschylus had been spending
| a lot of time outdoors to avoid a prophecy that he would be
| killed by a falling object._
| leetcrew wrote:
| what a tragedy!
| ben_w wrote:
| The article's title appears to be a reference to:
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Mistook_His_Wife...
| bdowling wrote:
| That is a pretty obtuse reference to use without explanation.
|
| It's also an odd choice because it feels weird to call an AI a
| "who". Despite AI replacing some human tasks, as with the
| camera operator here, the technology is not at all what we
| would consider a person.
| Enginerrrd wrote:
| Not really. I got it instantly and I've never even read the
| book.
| fortran77 wrote:
| Obtuse? It was even made into an opera, among other things.
|
| https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/arts/la-
| xpm-2012-jun-1...
| oarabbus_ wrote:
| Well, it's a very, very famous book.
| Izkata wrote:
| Yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24955651
| logicslave wrote:
| Is this going to be the "interesting failure of AI" blog topic
| for the next year?
| implying wrote:
| I worked for a small startup in copenhagen that worked on this
| exact problem. Our virtual camera solution was great, and
| detection of the ball worked most of the time, but white long
| socks would almost always take the camera's attention. Tracking a
| fast moving object at a distance is a hard problem indeed
| markstos wrote:
| In this case it seems someone could have asked the referee to
| wear a hat for the reminder of the game, but no one did.
|
| This isn't just a "bad AI" problem, it's failure to plan for a
| "Plan B" in case automated ball tracking fails for any reason.
| fegu wrote:
| Some soccer teams have bald players. Should they also wear
| hats?
| markstos wrote:
| The AI should be fixed or abandoned in the long term, but
| it seems a single hat could have made this game much more
| bearable to watch.
|
| Immediate fix now, better long term solution later.
| mdpye wrote:
| Perhaps they can cut personal sponsorship deals, as they'll
| be getting so much more airtime in future
|
| /jk
| cortesoft wrote:
| Well, it sounds like there aren't a lot of support people for
| lower tier soccer... no camera operators, and no one even
| watching the camera feed.
| hnick wrote:
| Does AI like this incorporate negative/positive punishment into
| learning as well as reinforcement? Is there an equivalent of
| slapping it and saying "No! Bad AI!" so it drops the
| association more quickly?
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