[HN Gopher] A nameless hiker and the case the internet can't crack
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       A nameless hiker and the case the internet can't crack
        
       Author : danso
       Score  : 366 points
       Date   : 2020-11-03 17:31 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
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       | cocktailpeanuts wrote:
       | Maybe he's a time traveler who hasn't been born yet, and that's
       | why he's not registered anywhere.
        
         | ThisIsTheWay wrote:
         | Wann ist Mostly Harmless?
        
           | geluso wrote:
           | It's not about what time. but from what world?
        
       | 0x1F8B wrote:
       | > IN APRIL 2017, a man started hiking in a state park just north
       | of New York City. He wanted to get away, maybe from something and
       | maybe from everything.
       | 
       | > Everyone who goes into the woods is trying to get away from
       | something.
       | 
       | > Everyone, at some point, has wanted to put their phone in a
       | garbage can and head off with a fake name and a wad of cash.
       | 
       | Since you are here I want to mention how off-putting this
       | rhetoric is to me, a person who likes being outdoors, who doesn't
       | have problems around spend all day refreshing the NYT or twitter
       | or instagram, a person who genuinely likes solitude. It's almost
       | as if urbanity is now synonymous with a neurotic steady state of
       | over-exposure and any act of finding a moment of peace in the
       | outdoors is itself a futile act of desperation -- an attempt to
       | flee modernity. It just doesn't ring true to me.
        
         | Sangama34 wrote:
         | But if I ever go on a hike that is mostly the reason. As a
         | reader it resonated with me.
        
         | koheripbal wrote:
         | > I want to mention how off-putting this rhetoric is to me
         | 
         | I'm not sure your emotions are important to others. Maybe it
         | would be better to address what you think is the flaw in the
         | characterization rather than leading with how it impacts your
         | personal emotional state.
        
         | grecy wrote:
         | I agree 100%.
         | 
         | I've chosen a life of less work, less stuff and therefore less
         | money. I spend a lot of my time alone on big trips around the
         | world, and out in the wilderness. I'm immensely more happy than
         | I was sitting at a desk watching my life go by without really
         | being _alive_.
         | 
         | I get a lot of this attitude about how I must be "running from
         | something" or I'm "throwing my life away".
         | 
         | I think it's a symptom of our modern "society" that it needs to
         | put down anyone who chooses not to be drowning in it.
         | 
         | Which, of course, makes me want to distance myself from it even
         | more.
        
           | spazx wrote:
           | Must be easy to feel that way when you can afford to make
           | that choice. It's something most of us 9-to-5 drones only
           | dream of.
           | 
           | edit: lol wow downvoted? smug much? I never even said I
           | disagreed.
        
             | grecy wrote:
             | I choose to look at it the other way around and say I can't
             | afford NOT to make this choice.
             | 
             | But I don't have a lot of money, in fact my last few years
             | of tax returns I've barely earned more than the tax free
             | threshold. So it's not about having tons of money to escape
             | the 9-to-5, it's about realizing you can find happiness
             | with a lot less.
        
           | vmception wrote:
           | Nobody would criticize you if nobody could tell that you had
           | less money than people making other choices.
           | 
           | Looking like someone that has to stay in hostels, versus
           | someone that likes the inherently more social aspect of
           | hostels are very different things.
        
             | [deleted]
        
         | sieabahlpark wrote:
         | > It's almost as if urbanity is now synonymous with a neurotic
         | steady state of over-exposure and any act of finding a moment
         | of peace in the outdoors is itself a futile act of desperation
         | -- an attempt to flee modernity. It just doesn't ring true to
         | me.
         | 
         | It's just the media saying if you don't consume the media
         | something is wrong with 'you'. No different than the CCP or any
         | propaganda outlet at that point.
        
         | ricardo81 wrote:
         | Agreed, I've been working online for 20+ years in the Scottish
         | Borders in a town of 15K people, with the forest and fields a
         | minute walk away.
         | 
         | > Everyone who goes into the woods is trying to get away from
         | something.
         | 
         | Getting _into_ something is maybe more apt. Walking the dog in
         | the middle of the countryside is very peaceful and
         | regenerative, it grounds you.  "Getting away from something"
         | makes it sound like the something is the modus operandi when it
         | never was. It's almost like it adds more nuance to a man's
         | story, you know, the fast living 21st century tech man who has
         | an epiphany. Perhaps the 80-hour a week tech worker's walk into
         | nature means something more than other people's... or not
         | really.
        
         | dang wrote:
         | We detached this subthread from
         | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24982298.
        
           | 0x1F8B wrote:
           | Why?
        
         | reaperducer wrote:
         | _Since you are here I want to mention how off-putting this
         | rhetoric is to me... It just doesn 't ring true to me_
         | 
         | His story. His words. His choice.
         | 
         | He is under no obligation to cater to every "But what about me?
         | I'm different!" navel-gazing edge case in the world.
        
         | grimgrin wrote:
         | when you refresh nyt and twitter all day maybe you _are_
         | escaping something. i'm escaping chores sometimes lol
         | 
         | maybe when you do like being in nature (this was about not just
         | being outdoors, but hiking in the wilderness), you are also
         | escaping something
         | 
         | maybe a reader can resonate with a desire for solitude via
         | anonymity, re: fake name + wad of cash, w/o it being off-
         | putting rhetoric
        
         | bhntr3 wrote:
         | I agree. When an author writes "Everyone has ..." we often
         | learn more about the author than everyone.
        
         | m463 wrote:
         | But "getting away from it all" is such a common phrase I would
         | say it _is_ what most people are doing.
         | 
         | It's definitely what I do.
        
       | nxthompson2 wrote:
       | I'm the author of the piece. I think the best clues are that the
       | mystery hiker told people he was from Louisiana, and that he
       | worked in the tech industry in NY. I suspect someone here might
       | recognize him. I'm reachable at nxthompson at protonmail.
        
         | radicalbyte wrote:
         | Has his DNA been checked against people in the various online
         | sequencing sites? You might be able to find a relative that
         | way. They found a serial killer through that a year or two ago.
        
           | mxxx wrote:
           | Read the article dude
        
             | radicalbyte wrote:
             | Ahh the article mentions checking the FBI database, and
             | ends with the family-tree analysis. I hadn't finished
             | reading before I posted, sorry :)
        
         | breck wrote:
         | $5,000 and 5 months? Why in the world is the DNA matching going
         | so slow?
         | 
         | My cousin mailed fifty bucks and some spit in an envelope on
         | Monday and Wednesday I get an email from 23andMe saying "Hey!
         | We think this is your cousin's spit!". And neither of us is
         | missing!
        
           | pavlus wrote:
           | 23andMe don't do full sequencing, they just map small parts
           | of DNA which are tied to features they test.
        
             | breck wrote:
             | Right but full sequencing doesn't net you much with
             | ancestry. Much more important is SNPs on a broad
             | population.
             | 
             | Also, even if full sequencing were needed, we're not even
             | talking de novo sequencing, full sequencing is routine
             | daily work nowadays.
        
         | TwoBit wrote:
         | It seems hard to believe that he worked in the tech industry
         | but wouldn't be recognized. Perhaps articles like this will be
         | seen by ex associates.
        
         | mabbo wrote:
         | Just wanted to say that it's a really well written piece.
         | Nothing over-dramatized, but the whole story is there.
        
         | phreack wrote:
         | I just wanted to thank you for writing an engaging long form
         | article that doesn't meander telling parallel stories jumbled
         | together. I could draw a straight timeline from the first
         | paragraph to the last and that's oddly something I don't see
         | too often in this format anymore!
        
           | eganist wrote:
           | Perhaps some unexpected context: at least some authors of
           | long-form pieces write with the objective of selling the
           | rights to their works in mind. The more it _feels_ like a
           | screenplay, the more likely it is to attract a buyer who
           | feels it has potential as one.
           | 
           | I don't have numbers from you, just that bit of context and
           | some supporting quotes off the record.
           | 
           | Qualification: I tech-consult producers and writers on
           | screenplays.
        
             | 0x1F8B wrote:
             | You probably know this but others might not: there are
             | literally agencies that develop ideas through a tight
             | lifecycle of inception, moderate form to long form market
             | testing in publications like Wired and investment and
             | film/podcast/TV development sourcing based on feedback from
             | those market tests and brand sponsorship and alignment for
             | the launch of the final product.
             | 
             | Here is one agency in particular:
             | https://www.epicdigital.com/
        
           | mapgrep wrote:
           | It should be good, he's the editor in chief :-)
        
         | jamisteven wrote:
         | Question, in the first picture he is wearing a jacket with "BR"
         | embroidered on left side, was that ever looked into if its not
         | a brand name?
        
           | _whiteCaps_ wrote:
           | Maybe a Banana Republic puffy?
        
         | mrzool wrote:
         | What a great read -- thank you!
        
       | kbos87 wrote:
       | Not even a passing mention of the privacy questions at stake
       | here. I don't fault the police for seeking answers, but every
       | self-nominated amateur sleuth isn't due an answer about the
       | identity of someone who in all likelihood wanted to live
       | privately and never committed a crime.
        
         | znpy wrote:
         | Uh, we don't know for sure he didn't ever commit a crime, your
         | logic is flawed.
        
           | kortilla wrote:
           | The point is there is no evidence of a crime. There is no
           | reason for the public to dig into this person's life with
           | such fervor.
        
           | chasd00 wrote:
           | that's a scary comment. I'll remind you that he's innocent
           | until someone proves otherwise.
        
         | shortandsweet wrote:
         | What if he has a will and trust that need to be executed?
        
         | pvaldes wrote:
         | That could give some peace to their beloved ones, and nothing
         | can harm him anymore. It seems that he has tell to be divorced;
         | maybe he has children. I think that is a fair move.
        
         | birdyrooster wrote:
         | In any context I can think of privacy only exists while someone
         | is alive. Once you are dead your life history sort of exists in
         | the public domain.
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | thomasqbrady wrote:
       | The Screeps detail seems like something that could be fairly
       | easily pursued... there can't have been that many players of that
       | game to begin with, let alone those that would care so much about
       | it that they would journal their thoughts about it. A quick check
       | of the GitHub repo doesn't show he contributed code, but might he
       | have opened an issue, contributed to docs? Might there be someone
       | who was active in the community somehow (maybe showing up on
       | leaderboards) until 2017?
        
         | uberman wrote:
         | This seems like this would be the way to go. Steam shows less
         | than 200 players for March and April of 2017 and if there are
         | logs that far back, the Screeps team can likely provide some
         | data about users who dropped out in March or April of that year
         | as well
        
           | robotresearcher wrote:
           | I don't want identifying data leaked by my game hosts.
        
         | jhardy54 wrote:
         | Required reading, IMO:
         | https://screeps.com/forum/topic/2937/a-strange-request-for-h...
         | 
         | I've spent a few days looking into this and haven't been able
         | to find anything. There's also a big thing about "algae pools"
         | "stock markets", etc, which didn't seem to be about Screeps.
         | 
         | I tried to find games that had these mechanics, and ended up
         | spending a bunch of time looking through Spacestation 13
         | forums, but I'm leaning toward these references being about a
         | game that he wanted to invent.
        
           | asphyxiac wrote:
           | OP, based on the Screeps thread, we have a purported Steam
           | profile for MH. Did that yield anything?
           | 
           | Edit: I know that folks thought this was a red herring.
           | Checked the steam profile, power player badge was unlocked on
           | 10/23 but Recently Played shows nothing (might be privacy
           | settings) and last review was 3 years ago. Do badges ever
           | auto-unlock, or could this person have shared a steam
           | account?
        
             | chaostheory wrote:
             | With an all time peak of 357 players playing at a time,
             | Screeps is still the best lead especially when you link it
             | to a Steam account.
             | 
             | https://steamcharts.com/app/464350
             | 
             | Hopefully, the developer still has logs and data for 2018
             | and earlier
        
             | fuzxi wrote:
             | >Do badges ever auto-unlock
             | 
             | That specific badge is for game ownership. I believe it's
             | possible for games to be added to your account
             | automatically in some cases (like an HD version given out
             | for free to existing owners) which could unlock the badge
             | without user intervention.
             | 
             | >or could this person have shared a steam account?
             | 
             | Definitely possible as well.
        
         | MereInterest wrote:
         | A post on this topic is the top post on the screeps subreddit,
         | but with no clear answers. Some posters found players who
         | stopped playing unexpectedly during the appropriate timeframe,
         | along with the group that player collaborated with. However, I
         | don't know if there was any follow-up there, or if it was a
         | dead end.
         | 
         | https://www.reddit.com/r/screeps/comments/fnwhvr/who_is_this...
        
         | ColanR wrote:
         | If someone wants to check, I'd bet he at least forked or
         | starred the github repo. A script to pull the list of those
         | people, minus anyone whos been active since april 2017, would
         | probably show his account.
        
           | alecbcs wrote:
           | Checking for users who forked the repo in 2017 and haven't
           | been active since 2017 I got.
           | 
           | - amidman
           | 
           | - eqzus
           | 
           | - Mike Hancoski (follows users from NY, wrote PHP code, his
           | personal website domain wasn't renewed and is now available.)
        
             | [deleted]
        
             | grawprog wrote:
             | https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-hancoski-b342aa53
             | 
             | This guy looks like a clean shaven version of those
             | pictures. Noses look the same. The eyes. No updates to the
             | account since 2015.
        
               | tildeath wrote:
               | Damn, they really DO look very similar. Mike appears to
               | have unattached earlobes, and MH's appear attached,
               | however.
        
               | sebmellen wrote:
               | Might be worth reaching out to other people working for
               | "Xcite Media Group". 23 employees is small enough to know
               | if someone went missing.
        
               | lixtra wrote:
               | He has an instagram profile with an update nov 2018.
        
               | jack_riminton wrote:
               | You might be right
               | 
               | Here they are side by side https://ibb.co/4Zn4qqX
        
             | mynegation wrote:
             | Mike Hancoski as of 2018 was living in Denver, posted to
             | Instagram and looks different than photos. I think you also
             | missed Maxim2030 who is also in the list by momothereal.
             | And also manhyper
        
               | alecbcs wrote:
               | Ahh thank you I had missed Maxim2030. Looks like manhyper
               | updated his fork of screeps on February 11th?
               | 
               | Also saw Mike Hancoski's Instagram but it's odd he hasn't
               | posted anything to his LinkedIn since 2014? Maybe worth
               | awkwardly reaching out just in case?
        
               | modernerd wrote:
               | Maybe he just stopped using LinkedIn? I think these are
               | the same Mike:
               | 
               | Work photo (2018): https://thexcitegroup.com/xcite-
               | family/mike-hancoski/mike-h/
               | 
               | Facebook (2019): https://www.facebook.com/mike.hancoski
        
               | alecbcs wrote:
               | We're hitting the end of the allowed reply indents but I
               | think you're right modernerd. Looks like he's likely
               | still active online.
        
           | momothereal wrote:
           | I wrote a quick script through Github's API, and found 10
           | users[1] matching the criteria:
           | 
           | * starred any screeps repo before May 2017, and no other
           | screeps repo since then
           | 
           | * no public contributions or events since April 2017
           | 
           | If someone has some time to do further filtering, ensure the
           | users have not starred any GitHub repo since May 2017
           | 
           | I didn't go through forks but that would also be an avenue.
           | 
           | [1] https://gist.github.com/aramperes/2363dc3434de6b494b28b5a
           | 658...
        
             | mynegation wrote:
             | You can exclude bandsaw1961 based on user pic and
             | yacobjardon who was a student at Carleton University and a
             | picture on his LinkedIn and career beyond 2017.
        
             | strstr wrote:
             | A few of the users have the same in game username, and have
             | been online recently.
        
               | withinboredom wrote:
               | I don't really trust the steam online thing. I once got a
               | notification that my brother was playing a game and he
               | was driving a car and his computer was off. No, his
               | account wasn't hacked. We spent awhile and noticed that
               | it seems to randomly say your online and playing if you
               | disconnect for awhile (my account too).
        
             | Copenjin wrote:
             | This guy with his Screeps-Main repo is interesting, he also
             | removed a txt file with some description of what he wanted
             | to do: https://github.com/NihilRex/Screeps-
             | Main/commit/e2c34e211226...
             | 
             | The last things he did were in 2017.
             | 
             | Edit: Nope, same user is on the forum,
             | https://screeps.com/forum/user/nihilrex
        
               | momothereal wrote:
               | As someone else pointed out, it seems this user was
               | recently active on Screeps forums, so ruled out.
        
           | Componica wrote:
           | Looking at https://imgur.com/a/eTphrRF The code that he
           | writes is a blend of languages. The arrow operators -> is
           | indicative of C/C++ but C/C++ doesn't use nil or function.
           | It's like he thinks in C/C++ first which puts him at about my
           | age mid-40s. Anyone younger than 40 would be using dots '.'
           | due to Java/Javascript/Python instead of '->'. Does anyone
           | else get that vibe?
        
             | heavyset_go wrote:
             | Some colleges teach courses with C++, and if students or
             | young programmers want to get into game development or
             | graphics, they're often recommended to pick up C++. Systems
             | programming is often taught using C++, if not C.
        
             | gabereiser wrote:
             | PHP also uses -> and is still popular with those younger
             | than 40. The lack of $ gives it away though. This is a very
             | curious case indeed.
        
               | Componica wrote:
               | Definitely not drowning in $variables, he's 40 something.
        
             | hultner wrote:
             | Wouldn't say that, I'm around 30 and grew up coding C, C++
             | and later, in my teens some Perl anf PHP, all these
             | languages use the -> syntax and I still used that in my
             | notes up until two or three years ago, I also use nil from
             | my lisp adventures and prefer snake_caas. The first
             | languages have I learned as a young child made an strong
             | impression in my mental visualisation of programming
             | concepts even of I haven't used them in many years. I found
             | notes on my iPhone using the arrow syntax with snake_case
             | variables. And from the pictures he looks about my age so
             | I'd say 30 is a real possibility as well.
        
             | pulse7 wrote:
             | On the 3. page of the scanned notebook [1] he mentions
             | Java.
             | 
             | [1]
             | https://www.colliersheriff.org/Home/ShowDocument?id=94010
        
               | X6S1x6Okd1st wrote:
               | Somewhat amusing to see the police highlighting "trust no
               | one" as a note on p2p networking.
        
       | _Microft wrote:
       | Already submitted not even a day ago. By me - that's why I might
       | have noticed ;)
       | 
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24972365
       | 
       | I'm starting to see a pattern in your submission list btw.
       | 
       | Yours: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24941667
       | 
       | Earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24931387
       | 
       | Yours: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24931534
       | 
       | Same day, but earlier:
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24924429
       | 
       | Yours: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24652182
       | 
       | A day before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24641097
       | 
       | You're simply reposting things that "sort of but not quite"
       | catched on, aren't you?
        
         | kick wrote:
         | _Have curious conversation; don 't cross-examine. Please don't
         | fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the
         | community._
         | 
         | https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
         | 
         | If you have concerns over someone's behavior, please just
         | message the mods at hn@ycombinator.com. Pushing discussions
         | into meta-arguments about reposting poisons threads.
        
         | notsuoh wrote:
         | How else would one win the race to get the most Hacker News
         | Karma? This person has over 131,000, so they seem to be
         | winning. Have you considered also making targeted reposts of
         | things like this to get your numbers up?
        
           | [deleted]
        
         | dang wrote:
         | I'm pretty sure that danso has submitted lots of really good
         | articles that hadn't appeared on HN before.
         | 
         | More generally, please don't post like this - it crosses into
         | personal attack. Even if all the information is public,
         | spending time and energy to put it together into a case against
         | someone does more harm than good.
        
       | kick wrote:
       | It's amazing how rude Facebook, reddit, and in this case, greedy
       | companies, can be. If he cared enough about anyone knowing who he
       | was, he'd have told someone. This is just blatant disregard for a
       | man's privacy.
        
         | PeterisP wrote:
         | The laws and principles of privacy protection are generally
         | built from the perspective that _people_ have privacy interests
         | that need protection, but dead bodies aren 't people anymore
         | and have no privacy rights. We do have certain restrictions
         | about the deceased, but those are designed to protect the
         | interests and privacy of their surviving family, relatives and
         | friends, not the deceased themselves.
         | 
         | For example, we can read and even publish the private diaries
         | and intimate correspondence of dead people, and the only
         | privacy that needs to be accounted for is the interests of
         | other parties in that correspondence and the (living) people
         | talked about in these messages - but the dead don't care about
         | anything any more, or at least that's the general assumption.
        
           | throwaway2245 wrote:
           | >we can read and even publish the private diaries and
           | intimate correspondence of dead people
           | 
           | the rules around publishing (and reading) private diaries are
           | the same for dead people as they are for living people,
           | aren't they?
        
           | nitrogen wrote:
           | _we can read and even publish the private diaries and
           | intimate correspondence of dead people_
           | 
           | Subject to copyright, of course.
        
         | giantg2 wrote:
         | I think when one dies, his heirs or estate assume the rights of
         | what to keep private or not. In this case, they need to find
         | those individuals to notify them.
        
         | gtsteve wrote:
         | Maybe he wanted privacy but didn't expect to die. He likely had
         | someone in his life who is wondering what happened to him and I
         | think it's good that people are trying to give them closure.
        
           | kick wrote:
           | Why do those people deserve to know anything? They obviously
           | haven't sought it out, and given he hadn't contacted them in
           | years, it's completely pointless to assume they were close.
           | 
           | Answer: They don't.
           | 
           | Privacy should be respected, even in death. Especially in a
           | case like this.
        
             | Jtsummers wrote:
             | Having only read this article, is there somewhere else that
             | you've read about the case to conclude that he has no
             | family or friends who've been looking for him? It could be
             | that they've been looking in the wrong place, or are older
             | and not on the FB and other fora where this case is being
             | discussed to connect the dots. And similarly, how can you
             | conclude he hadn't contacted them in years (though it's
             | obviously been years at this point), we know nothing of him
             | prior to starting the hike in 2017.
        
         | caturopath wrote:
         | Trail names are ubiquitous, and generally aren't used for
         | pseudonymity to protect one's privacy.
         | 
         | I don't think it's a reasonable presumption based only on the
         | fact that he hadn't mentioned his legal/previous name that this
         | person did not want to news of his death to reach people from
         | elsewhere in his life.
        
         | wpietri wrote:
         | Privacy is for the living. The dead are instead owed respect.
         | If he had wanted particular things to happen after his death he
         | could have written a will. Absent that, I think it's reasonable
         | that the people who found him do what they they think most
         | respectful.
         | 
         | The duty of respect for the dead also doesn't trump the needs
         | of the living. If there are people out there waiting for his
         | return, they should be told. I know somebody who's son
         | disappeared, presumably in shame, after he failed out of
         | college. For years and years it hurt her daily to not know .
         | Eventually he got back in touch. If he had died before doing
         | that, she would have deserved to know that her wait was over.
        
         | ballenf wrote:
         | He posed for a number of photographs and videos. He interacted
         | with many people. He never expressed the desire to remain
         | anonymous that you intuit. If someone wants to slip away
         | quietly into the void, there are much better ways to do it than
         | this path.
         | 
         | I'd argue it's honoring him and the honorable life he seems to
         | have led to pursue this investigation. Not to mention there may
         | be a number people who will get peace from the knowledge that a
         | friend or family member of theirs has passed. That seems like
         | the kind of thing that a kind, caring person would want.
        
           | mjsir911 wrote:
           | The article at least hints to the fact that MH was weary
           | about digital evidence: "He asked Mostly Harmless if he could
           | take a picture. Mostly Harmless hesitated but then agreed"
           | 
           | Are there better ways to slip into the void than going into
           | the wilderness without even a phone?
        
             | giarc wrote:
             | The "wanted poster" for lack of a better term has about 6-8
             | pictures of him from various people. He didn't seem overly
             | shy.
        
             | ballenf wrote:
             | He didn't go into any wilderness. He traveled one of the
             | most popular hiking trails in the country. Went into
             | stores. Stayed in campgrounds. Let himself be photographed
             | a bunch of times. Why he hesitated that once, I don't know,
             | but I seriously doubt anyone would have pressed him if he'd
             | just declined.
             | 
             | Better ways? A boat out into the ocean. Hiking out West or
             | in Alaska. Or South America. Going deep into an unpopular
             | cave. Hiking in a desert.
             | 
             | There are many, many places more "wild" than the popular
             | hiking trail in Florida where he passed. If he'd wanted to
             | slip away quietly, he seems like he had the means and the
             | intelligence to have figured out how to do that
             | successfully.
        
           | kick wrote:
           | He didn't say his name, though. At _minimum_ it 's a desire
           | to stay pseudonymous, and I think it should be respected.
           | 
           | The idea that privacy can be violated like this solely
           | because random Facebook users are interested in it and on the
           | off-chance that family he hadn't interacted with in years
           | might find some abstract comfort despite not being close at
           | all is just _incredibly_ bizarre.
        
             | mathstuf wrote:
             | I've thru-hiked and "no one" goes by their real names out
             | there (for long). It's just not the way trail community
             | works. There are many people I met and all we know name-
             | wise about each other are our trail names.
             | 
             | I suspect those that didn't want to be on social media at
             | all would have declined to be in the GoPro video for a
             | longer discussion (as I likely would have, but I wouldn't
             | have stopped a passing hiker doing a GoPro recording since
             | that's more in the realm of a dashcam kind of thing).
             | Fellow hikers tend to be respectful about such things.
        
             | caturopath wrote:
             | > At _minimum_ it 's a desire to stay pseudonymous
             | 
             | At minimum, he was using a nickname.
             | 
             | You might think it's likely that he was keeping private his
             | non-trail identity, but that is not the minimum
             | explanation.
             | 
             | (FWIW, knowing about through-hiker culture, I don't think
             | it's even the likely explanation, but that's just my
             | opinion.)
        
               | kls wrote:
               | I find it somewhat poetic that he was heading for the
               | Keys. As this is exactly the person you meet down here,
               | many people are known only by their given nickname and
               | many times like this gentleman seems to be, have been
               | successful and just want to get away from the world. You
               | can sit in a bar next to a fishing bum and a billionaire
               | and not know who is who. He is exactly the type of person
               | the Key's attracts and it is ashame he did not reach his
               | goal. Point being I understand the utilization of a given
               | nickname, it is almost a second birth name of a new life,
               | a new life that they themselves are seeking. Thus the
               | name can sometimes become more important than their birth
               | name.
        
         | renewiltord wrote:
         | He's dead, dude. There is no privacy. Diogenes of Sinope solved
         | this already.
        
           | kick wrote:
           | There is privacy. Citing a philosopher that made his life
           | into a joke doesn't magically make privacy disappear.
        
             | Valgrim wrote:
             | Without citing philosophers, how do you reach the
             | conclusion that your identity, once dead, (and therefore
             | your vital status) is a private information?
        
         | aaron695 wrote:
         | His privacy is a really important issue. People have a right to
         | disappear. No one has a right to take this away from someone
         | else. You own your body.
         | 
         | People seems to excuse themselves trampling on others privacy
         | just so they can be part of a podcast. It's lame. Your family
         | doesn't own you, you don't own them.
         | 
         | > If he cared enough
         | 
         | This bit is wrong. He might have cared and he seems to have
         | gone to great lengths to protect his privacy.
         | 
         | Points of thought
         | 
         | 1) Some people think dead people have zero rights. You are in
         | or out on this.
         | 
         | 2) We don't know for sure he wanted to disappear after his
         | death.
        
       | tdons wrote:
       | The police poster mentioned "was only able to hike 10 miles a
       | day".
       | 
       | Makes me think it's health related, 10 mi / day is absolutely
       | abysmal for a normal thru hiker. Most aim to do that amount by 10
       | in the morning...
        
         | TwoBit wrote:
         | Not able, or not interested?
        
           | developer2 wrote:
           | I don't understand how the average person cannot comprehend
           | this. The point isn't to "hike far, fast"; it's "walk around,
           | hang out in nature, maybe wind up somewhere new." Maybe he
           | wanted to head out, push as far as he was able and willing,
           | and then die. Maybe he was sick and tired of living and
           | working in our shitty society. What's so hard to understand
           | about that?
           | 
           | The assumption that he must have died purely by accident is
           | absurd; or, if not, that he must have been mentally ill. I
           | could absolutely see myself doing this in another 5-15 years.
           | There's so very little worth living for, but I learned 10
           | years ago I'm not willing to off myself in the ways people
           | normally do. Heading out into nature and lasting as long as I
           | can on my own seems like the workaround to "being ready to
           | die", but "not willing to hang, shoot, or poison myself".
           | 
           | No, I don't need help. Tried the suicide route 10 years ago
           | (very seriously, not as a call for help), and discovered that
           | I'm not quite that fed up with life yet; and when I am,
           | that's not how I want to go. This story is exactly the kind
           | of method I'd use if the desire to fade from the world
           | resurfaces.
        
         | giantg2 wrote:
         | I thought the same thing when they mentioned he was emaciated
         | with food near by. I would rather die doing something enjoyable
         | than sitting at a desk at work, so maybe a terminal diagnosis
         | prompted his trek. I would assume they would have found most
         | health issues in an autopsy, unless maybe it was something very
         | unusual or difficult to identify after decomposition.
        
         | almog wrote:
         | > "was only able to hike 10 miles a day"
         | 
         | Where is this quote from? It's not from the linked article.
         | 
         | > "10 mi / day is absolutely abysmal for a normal thru hiker."
         | 
         | To the best of my understanding, unless he flip-flopped, he was
         | not a thruhiker as he started in NY. It is not clear either if
         | he made his way south in a continuous footpath.
         | 
         | Moreover, even for a thru-hiker, the 10 by 10 gold standard of
         | hiking does not apply for the majority of hikers on the A.T. It
         | is true it is a gold standard on a well graded trails such as
         | the PCT (well... not counting Sierra Nevada and North
         | Washington), but it is not uncommon from what I've heard, even
         | for thruhikers on the A.T to average 10-12 miles a day.
         | Personally out of the triple crown of US hiking trails, I only
         | thruhiked the PCT, but hiked other long trails where 15
         | miles/day can be a real struggle where as on the PCT I was able
         | to do 25/day and sometimes more.
         | 
         | Also, it should be noted that he was found dead in Florida,
         | which the Applachian Trail doesn't go through. He might have
         | attempted the Florida Trail which goes through Big Cypress NP.
        
           | tdons wrote:
           | It's in an image so you can't text search :)
           | 
           | https://media.wired.com/photos/5fa04a3d8239757e365803ec/mast.
           | ..
           | 
           | Bottom right under 'additional information'.
           | 
           | I had heard that the AT wasn't as well graded, but I wasn't
           | aware the difference was this big, thanks!
        
             | almog wrote:
             | I see now. I wonder if what Florida police took as 10 miles
             | a day was in Florida or on the A.T. It probably makes for a
             | big difference as the Florida Trail is much flatter and the
             | terrain should be easier though I'm not sure the middle of
             | the summer is the best time to hike it, and the heat +
             | humidity could have slowed him down in different ways.
             | 
             | As to the A.T. -- I think it's not just the grade that is
             | to account for the low mileage but also that the season is
             | not as narrow as on the PCT/CDT.
        
         | pvaldes wrote:
         | > 10 mi / day is absolutely abysmal for a normal thru hiker
         | 
         | It depends on the weight of what you carry with you.
        
           | fuzxi wrote:
           | That's a good point. From the article:
           | 
           | "He did bring a giant backpack, which his fellow hikers
           | considered far too heavy for his journey."
        
       | newguysofly wrote:
       | Pretty sure I found him in like ten seconds. I just searched
       | NAMUS for people matching his characteristics, and I found a
       | Joseph Wayne McCartan from Louisiana. MH claimed to be from
       | there. They also look strikingly similar. Further, JWC was
       | suspected to have been a cancer survivor. This could explain the
       | large abdominal scar--and, if the cancer recurred, the wasting.
       | Check this reddit post:
       | https://www.reddit.com/r/MostlyHarmlessHiker/comments/jnixu7...
        
         | acomjean wrote:
         | There is an online "face verification" service from one of the
         | major tech cloud providers. They have a demo:
         | 
         | https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/cognitive-service...
         | 
         | It I put in the two reddit images, and it says they don't
         | match, but its not very confident. I've tried with some older
         | family photos, on with kids growing up and those matched well,
         | (even though 4 years difference). I does seem to work pretty
         | well in general.
         | 
         | Verification result: The two faces belong to different people.
         | Confidence is 0.09848.
        
         | sebmellen wrote:
         | I took a look at the picture of JWC, and I can't quite see the
         | resemblance, but maybe I'm missing something. Is there any
         | mention of JWC working in tech?
         | 
         | Edit: From the missing persons website:
         | 
         | > _Last seen on shrimping boat in the Texas area in the Gulf of
         | Mexico._
         | 
         | Seems somewhat unlikely that's him.
        
           | newguysofly wrote:
           | Maybe someone more savvy than me with this could age him ten
           | years to get to get a better comparison... As for working in
           | tech, yeah you'd think there'd be some record. But then
           | again, tech is a great place to work if you want to be
           | anonymous. E.g. could have been a contractor.
        
             | sebmellen wrote:
             | Fair enough. Quite hard to age him plus the beard.
        
         | notsuoh wrote:
         | Reoccurring cancer could also be an explanation for taking the
         | step of getting rid of your digital lifelines and walking down
         | the Appalachian Trail.
        
         | jakehop wrote:
         | I know you're only trying to help, but they look nothing alike.
         | And going missing on a shrimp boat leaving Texas, to then hike
         | from up north seems too odd for Occam's Razor.
        
           | newguysofly wrote:
           | Two points: One, I don't know who you're looking at! They
           | look very, very similar to me. Keep in mind, you have to age
           | your mental image of JWM about ten years. Second, it's
           | absolutely clear that MH wanted to "go missing" / be
           | untraceable. If I were to accomplish that, the best way to do
           | so would be to fake some sort of accident... like a mishap at
           | sea (so that people believe you to be dead). Hence, shrimping
           | boat.
        
             | jakehop wrote:
             | Quite an odd thing to say. While it can be easy to think
             | that someone looks alike due to the "overall appearance" of
             | their faces, closer inspection usually sets things apart.
             | Their completely different chins are one example.
             | 
             | Secondly, his DNA didn't match the missing person's
             | database, which you are getting your "match" from.
             | 
             | There's no reason to be defensive. You've done nothing
             | wrong. Wrong starts only if it is impossible for one to
             | accept that one's theory might not be correct. That can
             | ultimately end in throwing off the real investigation, if
             | one were aggressive enough.
        
         | technofiend wrote:
         | I was incredibly convinced it was the son of a friend due to
         | similar (in my mind) facial features. And even more convinced
         | when I found evidence the friend's son had a vegan restaurant
         | that closed down around the same time this guy disappeared.
         | Then I found the son's github repo with updates from 2020.
         | Actually glad to be wrong.
        
         | dr_orpheus wrote:
         | The Louisiana missing persons repository says that his DNA
         | records are available [1]. So they (theoretically) would have
         | found a match of his DNA when searching the missing persons
         | database.
         | 
         | [1] http://identifyla.lsu.edu/profile.php?id=494
        
       | almog wrote:
       | I love how sometimes worlds collide and thruhiking related
       | stories make it to HN. It is however sad for it to be in this
       | context.
       | 
       | If anyone reading this consider getting into long distance
       | hiking, I'd encourage you to do so. While it is always best to
       | avoid getting into dangerous situations rather than finding your
       | way out of there, getting yourself either:
       | 
       | 1. A subscription based satellite messenger (Garmin Mini is only
       | 100g/3.5oz and is backed by Iridium. Globalstar is the other big
       | network).
       | 
       | 2. Personal Locator Beacon (COSPAS-SARSAT backed device) that has
       | no subscription fee and is backed by better availability
       | guarantees (Resqlink is only 4.6 oz) but has no messaging
       | capabilities other than an "SOS signal".
       | 
       | If the above story didn't do enough to convince you that such
       | device could have been helpful, please do yourself or your loved
       | ones a favor and read what had became of Otter when he got
       | trapped on the Continental Divide Trail -- "Snowbound", Outside
       | Online:
       | 
       | https://www.outsideonline.com/2336896/snowbound
        
         | dmckeon wrote:
         | If you travel to places where you might want people searching
         | for you from the air to notice you amid many square miles of
         | search area, a signal mirror is remarkably effective.
         | https://adventure.howstuffworks.com/survival/gear/use-signal...
        
           | almog wrote:
           | The key thing about a signalling mirror is that it can be
           | useful _if someone is searching for you_ (and provided that
           | you have clear sky above you).
           | 
           | PLB or satellite messengers will not only let the first
           | responders know where you are (both by transmitting your
           | location via satellite distress signal as well as using 121.5
           | MHz 'homing signal' in the case of PLBs to help first
           | responders find your exact location), but also trigger the
           | SAR operation rather than waiting for someone to notice
           | you've been gone for too long.
        
         | Hnrobert42 wrote:
         | I travel abroad a lot. I always wear my roadid bracelet. It is
         | stylish enough that folks think it is for looks, but cheap
         | enough that it won't get stolen off my body (like a wallet
         | might).
        
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       | stakkur wrote:
       | The notebook is fascinating. The guy's hand-writing code in a
       | small notebook.
        
         | pulse7 wrote:
         | And he mentions... Java... I hope he will not be downvoted on
         | HN because of this...
        
           | Serious_Cheese wrote:
           | What's wrong with Java?
        
       | jariel wrote:
       | Young men don't die for 'no reason'. It's odd that they couldn't
       | find some cause of death, I assumed that in 2020 we'd be able to
       | make a rough estimate. If there's no obvious foul play then
       | statistically the obvious one would be suicide, but that should
       | narrow only to a few specific things. How many ways are there for
       | one to 'just die' while lying in a tent.
        
         | victor9000 wrote:
         | The article says he weighed 86 lbs, so it sounds like he died
         | of starvation or malnutrition.
        
           | ColanR wrote:
           | Which again is strange, since he was found with $3500 on him.
        
             | manicorganic wrote:
             | And there was food nearby.
             | 
             | On the other hand, on the show Alone a few seasons back the
             | medical staff had to pull someone who had weeks worth of
             | smoked fish saved up yet was risking serious organ damaging
             | due to malnutrition. Even though he had plenty of food he
             | was simply rationing too strictly and had lost over 20% of
             | his bodyweight in a matter of weeks. Point being, it's
             | possible to put oneself in danger despite having the
             | resources to avoid the risks.
        
               | milesvp wrote:
               | Alone was fascinating to binge on netflix. The winner of
               | the season I watched had a whole elk to eat and was still
               | losing dangerous amounts of weight over the course of the
               | season. I would have never guessed that he would have
               | struggled so much with such bounty.
        
             | Herodotus38 wrote:
             | https://www.colliersheriff.org/Home/ShowDocument?id=94010
             | 
             | I wonder if he was fasting or starving himself and ran into
             | unexpected trouble. For example pg 17 has some detailed
             | nutritional data on something, maybe an idea for a protein
             | bar?.
        
               | Certified wrote:
               | It looks like he was developing some sort of nutritional
               | "wafer." I remember when Rob Rhinehart was in the early
               | days of developing soylent, he commented that some of the
               | raw nutritional powders he was sourcing for the mixture
               | could be quite harmful if taken in the wrong dosage.
               | Maybe he made himself sick with a bad batch of wafers?
        
         | anonAndOn wrote:
         | Foraging in the wild for food or water can have deadly
         | consequences. For example, McCandless ate the wrong kind of
         | berries.[0] Or the time when three campers scooped up more than
         | just water in their coffee pot.[1] And don't underestimate the
         | effects of Giardia.[2] That ubiquitous parasite could easily
         | weaken and lead to the demise of a solo-hiker.
         | 
         | [0]https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/how-chris-
         | mccand... [1]http://www.realclear.com/discovery/2014/06/27/tiny
         | _newt_pois...
         | [2]https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/giardia/index.html
        
           | pulse7 wrote:
           | He had foot and $3500 in the tent...
        
             | jack_riminton wrote:
             | He's getting back to nature, people don't just eat wild
             | food when their other food runs out
        
         | Jtsummers wrote:
         | Aneurisms, strokes, toxins (spider/snake bites). The first is
         | pretty quick, but the latter two could leave someone
         | sufficiently weak or incapacitated to move and care for
         | themselves, but still survive long enough to become emaciated.
        
           | giantg2 wrote:
           | It would take a fairly long time for even a 130 person to get
           | into the 80s. If you can't move or care for yourself, you'd
           | be dead in that tent in less than 3 days.
        
             | Jtsummers wrote:
             | True. I saw another poster commenting on a case where a
             | person was being too strict in rationing their (plentiful)
             | food. Which perhaps makes more sense here. If he'd already
             | lost a lot of weight and stamina as a result of that,
             | could've laid down and died shortly after.
        
               | giantg2 wrote:
               | Rationing could be an issue, if he had reason to ration.
               | Maybe if he got lost deeper within the park and was on
               | his way out. Depends on how much food he had with him,
               | when he was previously buying supplies, etc.
        
           | chaostheory wrote:
           | Florida is like the US's Australia. There are so many things
           | that can kill you including a number of poisonous species of
           | spiders and snakes. It's not a good place to hike alone.
        
           | dreamcompiler wrote:
           | All of this would show up in an autopsy. Snake bites would
           | leave visible puncture wounds. There are for all practical
           | purposes no deadly spiders native to the US. Tissue necrosis
           | from a brown recluse would be visible, and a black widow
           | would leave neurotoxic signs that a decent autopsy would have
           | found, as well as possibly the toxin itself. (Hardly anybody
           | dies from those two spider bites, and those two are the only
           | medically significant spiders in the US.)
        
             | giantg2 wrote:
             | Depends on the state of decomposition as to what they would
             | find in the autopsy, but I would generally agree that
             | invenomation is unlikely as it wouldn't explain the
             | emaciation (they could be coincidental). Found in a tent in
             | FL... I don't want to imagine that smell. It's also
             | possible they found anomalies or issues but were not able
             | to tie them to the death (I imagine the autopsy is
             | confidential).
        
             | notacoward wrote:
             | > All of this would show up in an autopsy
             | 
             | Not necessarily. The toxin could have been ingested,
             | especially if it was something man-made rather than
             | natural. Many would have left recognizable signs, but
             | others you'd have to know what signs to look for and/or do
             | a specific test. Whatever it is might even have cleared his
             | system (it takes a while to become that emaciated) but not
             | before doing some kind of neurological/motor damage.
        
             | Jtsummers wrote:
             | How long would they remain detectable by an autopsy in a
             | county that didn't even want to spend $5k on DNA testing?
             | How long was the body decaying before discovered. I do
             | agree about the necrotizing venoms. But consider a black
             | widow. You could be incapacitated, rendered helpless for a
             | day or so, and become sufficiently dehydrated to be
             | essentially delirious after recovering from the bite
             | proper. That would leave you in a state that, without
             | assistance, you'd not die from the bite, but from
             | starvation/dehydration several days later. How long is the
             | toxin in the body?
        
           | asphyxiac wrote:
           | Aneurism would show up in the autopsy, right? And snake bite
           | in the toxo report?
           | 
           | Not sure about stroke.
        
             | Jtsummers wrote:
             | Well, I'm not a doctor or medical professional of any sort
             | so I honestly don't know. I was just presenting things that
             | could lead to an apparently healthy young-ish man suddenly
             | dropping dead for no apparent reason.
             | 
             | I didn't pick them totally randomly, though. I had a
             | rationale: He seemed emaciated, which suggests something
             | left him immobile for an extended period since he had food
             | at hand. This made me think of strokes and snake/spider
             | bites. The former could leave you permanently immobile, but
             | alive. Without assistance he'd have died within a few days.
             | The latter, depending on the sort, could leave you immobile
             | and in great pain for a day or so, with a chance to recover
             | and survive. But if he'd already become sufficiently
             | dehydrated he may not have had the energy or wherewithal to
             | care for himself.
             | 
             | There are other conditions which could lead to a similar
             | outcome. Heat exhaustion, for instance, may not kill
             | outright. But could leave you in a state where you need
             | assistance and can't recover on your own.
             | 
             | Whether they'd show up on an autopsy, I don't know. But
             | also per the article it was a while before he was found. So
             | given a sufficient level of decay, it's possible these
             | conditions wouldn't show up or would be sufficiently hard
             | to detect (remember, the sheriff's didn't even want to pay
             | $5k for the DNA testing, he wasn't a crime victim so their
             | budget wasn't paying for a lot of analysis).
        
         | andromeduck wrote:
         | It's rare but it does happen. Sometimes the heart can just stop
         | beating such as in SADS.
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_arrhythmic_death_syndro...
         | https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/17522-sudden-...
        
         | bastawhiz wrote:
         | I'm not sure the article said...is it known how long he was
         | dead for before the body was discovered? After enough time has
         | passed, it becomes impossible to reliably determine whether
         | certain factors played a role in the death. Underlying health
         | issues and infection can be hidden by decomposition.
        
           | TranquilAvocado wrote:
           | I don't think it was in the article, but I read somewhere
           | that they believe, based upon the little external
           | decomposition, that the body was found perhaps a day after he
           | passed.
        
         | ThePadawan wrote:
         | "Young men dying for no reason" is not totally uncommon. See
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myocarditis#Epidemiology.
        
       | ngokevin wrote:
       | Sounds like it'll be a future Serial podcast or something.
        
       | sudosteph wrote:
       | Well, this was quite the rabbit hole for me. Great article, btw.
       | 
       | Here's my best candidate from some internet sleuthing:
       | https://imgur.com/EMPKO2V . I do definitely see some resemblance,
       | but interested if others do too.
       | 
       | I have a possible name, but no evidence that anyone with that
       | name has been reported missing. The only contact point I found is
       | a twitter profile that I think could be a brother, but I'm not
       | about to message that person and open that door b/c I could be
       | way off track.
        
         | pvaldes wrote:
         | Check against the photo with the shorter beard. Is more easy to
         | verify.
        
       | paxys wrote:
       | I wonder how long it will be before someone truly cannot be
       | anonymous in this country (or the world). Whenever I come across
       | a book/movie about someone traveling to the future and trying to
       | blend in, my immediate thought is that they will instantly be
       | flagged as suspicious by a hundred different automated systems
       | (where is your advertising profile, credit history, location
       | history, iris scan, microchip??)
       | 
       | There probably are already enough biometrics, digital records
       | etc. today that can accomplish this given the right incentives
       | for everyone involved.
        
         | wolco2 wrote:
         | It is much easier in third world countries to hide children /
         | existance. This will make them attractive.
         | 
         | In the future you describe you would have a hacked or stolen
         | id.
        
           | paxys wrote:
           | Maybe today, but a lot of these third world countries are
           | very rapidly developing a surveillance culture as well.
        
           | sixstringtheory wrote:
           | Minority Report proposed a solution to the automated public
           | retinal scans...
        
             | znpy wrote:
             | I haven't watched the movie, I'll give it an eye! Or two!
             | /s
        
           | ColanR wrote:
           | > hacked or stolen id
           | 
           | Even that would be tough, since I'd guess facial recognition
           | would detect that.
        
           | kevin_thibedeau wrote:
           | There are a lot of women in China who don't officially exist.
           | They are significantly marginalized because they can't use
           | government services or easily get an online identity.
        
         | reaperducer wrote:
         | _I wonder how long it will be before someone truly cannot be
         | anonymous in this country (or the world)_
         | 
         | This is why my favorite Max Headroom character was Blank Reg:
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Headroom_(TV_series)#Blank...
         | 
         | I have several relatives who live off the grid in remote
         | places. They're not survivalists or militia folk or anything
         | like that. They just like to maximize their privacy.
         | 
         | The keys to survival appear to be: Generate your own power (so
         | you aren't beholden to a utility company), have a well drilled
         | for water, have a boss who will cash your paycheck for you on
         | payday, and live near a town where paying by cash isn't
         | considered strange.
         | 
         | They still pay taxes, though, so they can't be totally
         | anonymous.
         | 
         | One goes a step farther. He builds his own motorcycles to get
         | around. According to him, the law in his state says that if
         | your conveyance is home-built to a certain percentage (51%,
         | maybe?), then you don't have to register it with the state. I
         | have no idea if that's true, but to my knowledge he hasn't had
         | any trouble with it in the 20 years I've known him.
        
         | dheera wrote:
         | I'm slightly less concerned about being anonymous from the
         | government and far more concerned about being anonymous from
         | _businesses_.
         | 
         | How is it that every time I move, they still figure out where I
         | live and continue to send me junk mail? I'm extremely concerned
         | about the ease of arbitrary businesses finding out where some
         | person lives. I want this to be unethical to the point that
         | whoever leaked my address without my consent to be arrested and
         | fined.
        
           | sologoub wrote:
           | Assuming you are in US. If you fill out change of address
           | form, then USPS tells them:
           | https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamtanner/2013/07/08/how-
           | the-p...
           | 
           | The direct mail business has this "public records" part
           | figured out pretty well and they gather the data from
           | anywhere they can. Wouldn't be surprised if utility bills
           | factor in as well.
        
             | dheera wrote:
             | I don't fill that out anymore for exactly this reason.
        
           | kodah wrote:
           | You're getting downvoted and I'm not sure why, but I'd like a
           | moment to share my story and why I believe in what you
           | believe:
           | 
           | My mom called me the other week and told me that a recruiter
           | was looking for me. She gave me their name and number, but I
           | was stumped. How the hell did: 1. They know that was my
           | mother 2. How did they know her number 3. How did they know
           | she would be able to reach me?
           | 
           | I've subsequently determined that my ICE information was
           | leaked somehow. This is the _only_ piece of information,
           | other than life insurance, where my mother and I would be
           | positioned as related. I do not have a Facebook, Twitter, or
           | Reddit. I have this profile, which is my average online
           | profile, and I have a professional one. Neither has ties back
           | to my family, much less phone numbers. We also live in
           | totally different states and they were calling her about a
           | job for me in my current state and city.
           | 
           | I would say it is already unethical to dox someone, just if
           | you do it in the name of sales or "connecting people"
           | Americans somehow sweep it under the rug.
           | 
           | This is just a matter of correcting societal expectations.
        
             | samatman wrote:
             | That's a distinct possibility, but the odds that you've
             | sent mail to your mother's house is high.
             | 
             | Doesn't have to be in your name, either. Your billing
             | address, her shipping address? That can be packaged and
             | sold to a third party.
             | 
             | It doesn't take much information to infer relationships,
             | and we constantly leak information which is aggregated and
             | sold. Facebook and friends are playing on easy mode, the
             | markets for this kind of data predate social media and the
             | professionals are very, very good at it.
        
               | kodah wrote:
               | I agree. I leave latitude in my mind that my conclusions
               | are wrong and that this happened in other ways. Either
               | way, it's not good. I wish it hadn't happened and as much
               | as I'd like to say it didn't bother me much here I am
               | posting on HN about it.
        
             | llsf wrote:
             | Same thing happened to me, but it was not to sell me
             | something. It was nefarious enough that I cannot talk about
             | it, without creating even more damages. Social engineering
             | can still go all the way, where irremediable damage can be
             | done. Then good luck to get justice!
        
           | roywiggins wrote:
           | USPS sells change-of-address data.
           | 
           | https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamtanner/2013/07/08/how-
           | the-p...
        
             | 0xffff2 wrote:
             | I found this out when I moved recently and I find it
             | incredibly stupid. I'm now simultaneously annoyed that my
             | new address seems to still receive mail for the last 3
             | tenants, but I also didn't do a change of address so
             | whoever ends up renting my old apartment is going to be
             | annoyed with me.
        
             | dheera wrote:
             | Yeah, I hate those assholes for that, that's why I don't
             | tell the USPS anymore when I move.
             | 
             | Whenever I give my address to a business for shipping, DMV,
             | voter registration, etc. I also tack on a code to my
             | address so that if they leak it as-is, they'll have blood
             | on their hands, and I can publicly shame them for it. But
             | that hasn't yet seemed to successfully track down the
             | source.
        
               | znpy wrote:
               | > Whenever I give my address to a business for shipping,
               | DMV, voter registration, etc. I also tack on a code to my
               | address
               | 
               | Could you elaborate on that?
        
               | dheera wrote:
               | Let's say your address was
               | 
               | 256 Main St. Apt 10, Some City, CA, USA
               | 
               | I usually provide my address as
               | 
               | 256 Main St. Unit 10-BCRK, Some City, CA, USA
               | 
               | I generate a unique code for each entity that I am
               | required to provide my address to.
               | 
               | I usually change "Apt" to "Unit" to stump the automatic
               | address-correcting APIs that will convert "Apt 10-BCRK"
               | to "Apt 10". I found that changing "Apt" to "Unit"
               | usually stumps them.
               | 
               | The idea is that if I see another business use "BCRK" to
               | send me junk mail, or list my address on those idiot
               | people search sites, I will write a blog and publicly
               | shame the first business for giving it out.
               | 
               | Package delivery drivers happily ignore the "BCRK" part
               | and my packages still arrive as usual.
               | 
               | When giving out billing address for credit card
               | authorization, I find usually I can skip the apartment
               | number field and the card still authorizes just fine, so
               | I also don't need to tell online retailers the same
               | 4-letter code that my bank has listed for my address.
        
             | momokoko wrote:
             | Protip: Only do the temporary change. It still lasts like 6
             | months so it would cover practically everything. You could
             | potentially miss something later but for me it's a solid
             | trade.
        
               | dheera wrote:
               | For the most part I figure if something is really
               | important enough people will figure out a way to reach
               | me. My e-mail address is pretty easy to find and any
               | business I have subscribed to services from has that. I
               | consider it the official way to contact me. I already
               | deprecated snail mail and phone as official ways to reach
               | me.
        
       | bitxbitxbitcoin wrote:
       | Seems like a case of hasn't cracked yet, not can't crack.
        
         | thom wrote:
         | Reminds me of the old adage that if you want to find out how to
         | do something in Linux, it's quicker to make a post saying
         | "Linux can't do X!" and watch the rebuttals roll in than ask
         | the question "How do I do X?"
        
           | 1-more wrote:
           | haha very particular form of Cunningham's Law! Thank's I'd
           | never heard that one before. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wa
           | rd_Cunningham#Cunningham's_L...
        
           | [deleted]
        
         | forinti wrote:
         | I guess the chances have gone way up now that there's a picture
         | of him on Wired given that he said he had worked in IT.
        
         | pixl97 wrote:
         | DNA is our best bet, but as we see it's the missing part of the
         | story.
         | 
         | With this said, it makes for a decent fictional writing prompt.
         | 
         | It's 2045, the cold case on Mostly Harmless has been reopened
         | after 24 years. Advances in DNA matching technology beyond what
         | we imagined possible in 2020 have occurred. Detective Williams
         | submits the preserved DNA to the US National DNA Registry
         | (DNAR). Within minutes an exceptionally high probability
         | grandparent match is returned. The record had been added just 8
         | days previous, but was a sealed record. Inquisitive about the
         | circumstances that would lead to the improbable events that a
         | match existed, was only in the system for 8 days, and was
         | sealed he put in a formal request for unsealing to DNAR. DNARs
         | response was "Pursuant to USNADR Act 11A all juvenile records
         | are sealed until the date of the records documented 18th
         | birthday. A warrant must be issued by a judge for unsealing.
         | Per subsection 15 of the act on permissible information
         | release, the requested records year of birth is: 2045."
        
           | microtherion wrote:
           | > It makes for a decent fictional writing prompt.
           | 
           | Or maybe make it a prompt for GPT3. People impute all kinds
           | of smarts to it, let's see whether it can deduct MH's
           | identity.
        
           | jariel wrote:
           | "DNA is our best bet"
           | 
           | No, social networks are. More than likely there are people
           | who absolutely know who he is, they just need to see the
           | photo.
           | 
           | DNA databases are not necessarily comprehensive, if there
           | aren't people in his lineage who are both registered and who
           | know about/of him, then it won't work.
        
             | wolco2 wrote:
             | Put his dna into 23andme and a detailed family chart will
             | emerge.
             | 
             | This is the future of crime fighting, or if someone has
             | lost memories.
        
               | giantg2 wrote:
               | Sounds like a future rife for violation of people's
               | rights in my opinion.
        
             | lastofthemojito wrote:
             | It's possible that his family recognized him and just
             | hasn't bothered to say anything publicly. Maybe he burned
             | bridges in his previous life and folks would rather let it
             | go than deal with interviews, etc.
        
       | Karawebnetwork wrote:
       | Could it be a Canadian that drove to NY and then hiked west?
       | 
       | That's a pretty common thing to do.
       | 
       | I have a bunch of friends from college that are bouncing around
       | the globe travelling on foot, picking fruits and doing farm-work
       | when they run out of funds.
       | 
       | Or are the databases / missing persons agencies communicating
       | with each others?
        
         | gabereiser wrote:
         | Clues here are: he's from Louisiana, worked in NY in tech,
         | liked screeps. Coder from the looks of his notes. Mid 30s to
         | late 40s.
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | hated wrote:
           | Those first two are claims not facts.
        
             | sebmellen wrote:
             | Perhaps his suspected Louisiana ancestry is Cajun/Acadian,
             | and he is actually from Quebec?
        
             | gabereiser wrote:
             | correct, it's from his own words. Nothing listed was
             | _fact_.
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | jennyyang wrote:
       | Here is a link to his notebook that they found on him:
       | 
       | https://www.colliersheriff.org/Home/ShowDocument?id=94010
        
         | jpsalm wrote:
         | Kind of a stretch but the crossover between jaded dev/tech
         | people and EVE Online players is high:
         | 
         | Mostly Harmless is an old, now defunct, EVE corp. Might be
         | someone who ran in that that might recognize him.
         | 
         | https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/cd7ku3/disbanded_allia...
        
           | warrenmiller wrote:
           | It's the description of Earth in the Hitchhiker's Guide to
           | the Galaxy. That's where that's from
        
             | jpsalm wrote:
             | Just reading through the notes and there are lots of EVE
             | terms in there. They look like they're talking about
             | something else, a new game maybe, but I wouldn't discount
             | it just yet.
             | 
             | (Miners, haulers, nanite )
        
           | gabereiser wrote:
           | Mostly Harmless is also a difficulty level... I wouldn't dig
           | too deeply into the name so much as the choice.
        
             | jpsalm wrote:
             | Yea it's a bit of a stretch. I haven't played EVE in ten
             | years though and it was the first thing that popped into my
             | mind.
             | 
             | Looks like this was back in 2011 or so:
             | http://www.verite.space/maps/influence/20110115.png (NW
             | corner)
        
         | bigtones wrote:
         | From reading the notebook he may be a game developer. Quite a
         | few of the pages look like notes from algorithms on rendering a
         | game, maybe an FPS or RTS game, and he talks about outputting
         | to the console and sprites.
        
           | dzdt wrote:
           | Yes, though I would say amateur game developer. Like the kid
           | who always wanted to build a game but never did, got a "real
           | job" doing some kind of much more boring programming.
           | 
           | There is one point where he is musing about mapping commands
           | to hex values within a single byte which makes me think he
           | started programming in the 8bit era.
        
         | Cook4986 wrote:
         | Full-text transcription of individual notebook pages (annotated
         | images + .json + .txt) generated with a combination of
         | Handprint (https://github.com/caltechlibrary/handprint) and
         | Microsoft's Read API:
         | https://www.dropbox.com/sh/hkpqsnk858pzu7f/AADnCzr7tabArQ_xq...
        
           | CortexM4 wrote:
           | This tool is good. We could also use Google Lens to extract
           | text from the document, I tried on a few pages it captures a
           | some more text than Handprint.
        
         | lunch wrote:
         | Many of these pages look to me like he was designing a game.
         | 
         | - p2p, client-server notes
         | 
         | - Class definitions and implementation notes
         | 
         | - Source code doing position calculations
        
           | sgroppino wrote:
           | Could it be the same person?
           | https://steamcommunity.com/id/n0s0ck He has a comment on http
           | s://steamcommunity.com/app/464350/discussions/0/35165980...
        
       | spicyramen wrote:
       | Great story, perfectly written, I read it all.
        
       | pvaldes wrote:
       | Micrurus?
        
         | pvaldes wrote:
         | mmmhnot... too fast.
        
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