[HN Gopher] What's the Role of Developer Experience in Programmi...
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What's the Role of Developer Experience in Programming Languages
Research?
Author : azhenley
Score : 78 points
Date : 2020-11-06 16:41 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| Ericson2314 wrote:
| I'm in industry, and sorry, I think most of industry is far too
| stupid for large-scale feedback to be a good idea.
|
| Please stick to your ivory towers unless you are really sure of
| who you are talking to.
| honestduane wrote:
| I have been thinking a lot about this myself lately as I'm
| designing a programming language and want to solve for things
| many of them simply don't; Like accessibility.
| rurban wrote:
| > One of the biggest challenges security engineers face is
| getting software engineers to fix their bugs.
|
| Oh my, don't get me started on that. Usually it's not worth
| talking to maintainers who don't understand security
| implications. Either walk away and choose something else or
| maintain a fork with your fixes. This is usually the easiest. And
| trivial with git to automate.
|
| But hiring penetration testers just to convince some moron that
| this bug is exploitable? Come on!
| di4na wrote:
| As Jean Yang point out the HCI and Human Factors community having
| worked on this for a long time, and it is indeed the case.
|
| Here is one of my preferred paper from that community on that
| exact problem https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/1363742
| jason408 wrote:
| > How do you get promoted?
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| This is a great open ended question to uncover what really
| motivates someone rather than asking someone what feature(s) they
| use / care about.
| markus_zhang wrote:
| Agreed. Or: How do you get motivated? Some people (like me)
| don't care too much about promotion and only want to seek
| happiness from a technical world.
| AnimalMuppet wrote:
| > My strong belief is that programming languages research does
| not value usability because there currently is no satisfying,
| agreed-upon way of evaluating it.
|
| This is talking about usability _of the programming language_ -
| or of a language that incorporates whatever conclusions the
| research reaches. This matches something I 've been thinking a
| lot lately, that software engineering is a different animal than
| computer science. If your PL advance is the greatest CS thing
| since sliced bread, but it isn't usable for actual programmers
| working to write programs, then... who cares?
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| The ergonomics of computer languages is not what computer
| scientists think it is. CS types complain about how stupid the
| field is to use languages that don't reflect the best CS
| research. The reality is, the CS researchers are too ignorant to
| grasp what actually makes languages useful in the field.
| Ar-Curunir wrote:
| The author of this post is a computer scientist, who is
| explicitly talking about adding these measures of usability to
| experimental evaluations to PL papers
| AnimalMuppet wrote:
| Sure. I'm talking about the bulk of the CS PL field as a
| whole, and I don't think I'm disagreeing with the author of
| the post. (Do note, however, that the author left academia
| and is now in the field...)
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