[HN Gopher] The Influence of Breathing on the Central Nervous Sy...
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The Influence of Breathing on the Central Nervous System
Author : whereistimbo
Score : 115 points
Date : 2020-11-06 11:52 UTC (1 days ago)
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| carapace wrote:
| "It's a start." I find it fascinating and very hopeful that
| Western scientific methods are beginning to be used to understand
| the significance of breathing.
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| Breathing is one of only two (or three) physiological processes
| that are both autonomic and volitional. (The other is blinking. I
| think there might be a third one but I forget what it is.)
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| It's a weird blind spot to have, eh? I mean, once you see it,
| it's weird that we (in the West) haven't been more interested in
| a systematic way in the effects of deliberate modulation of
| breath.
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| Why would we evolve to have volitional control over our
| breathing?
| parenthesis wrote:
| For speaking.
| tartoran wrote:
| Is breathing truly volitional? I somehow doubt it and even if
| we can control it at times, it largely defaults to automatic
| mode. We have the power to modify the automatic mode through
| practice and the power of habit.
|
| When I was younger I had a really bad experience with
| practicing breathing exercises, I was doing them unattended by
| an professional and perhaps excessively. It was a very very bad
| experience, momentarily I lost the ability to automatic
| breathing and was either forgetting to inhale or was
| hyperbentilating. It took about a month to go back to normal
| and made my life miserable during all that. I've since done it
| in a controlled fashion at a yoga center and the experience is
| different: one is aware of their breathing but doesn't attempt
| to control it for more than one minute and if so perhaps gently
| for the duration of the exercise. Our brains pick that up and
| automatic breathing can and does get better
| criddell wrote:
| Is there any interest in the effects of deliberate modulation
| of blinking?
| cercatrova wrote:
| Eating, swimming, running, and other exercises require precise
| control of your breathing.
| easytiger wrote:
| > Why would we evolve to have volitional control over our
| breathing
|
| Eating, mainly, I'd assume
| JoshTriplett wrote:
| If it were only that, it could still be autonomic (breathe
| while not swallowing). The hypotheses in this thread seem
| likely: speaking, or hiding from by predators/prey.
| unishark wrote:
| >> I think there might be a third one but I forget what it is.)
|
| Swallowing perhaps. As for why breathing is volitional, I can
| think of avoiding drowning and controlling the noise you make
| while hunting or being hunted. Same reason anything is
| volitional, our higher planning abilities can do a better job
| in many situations versus a hard-wired process.
| ben_w wrote:
| > The other is blinking. I think there might be a third one but
| I forget what it is
|
| There are reports of being able to predetermine when we wake
| before we sleep; I don't know if those are anecdotal or
| properly studied.
|
| I assume anything related to stress, anger, or sexual responses
| are also consciously triggerable, given we can make ourselves
| stressed, angry, or horny by thinking about the right things.
| flobosg wrote:
| Related thread from two weeks ago: "The physiological effects of
| slow breathing in the healthy human"
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| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24857356
| DoreenMichele wrote:
| If you have a strong (personal) need to understand how breathing
| impacts the body, a good source of info that can be found in
| layman's terms is stuff about altitude sickness and about what
| happens to the body at altitude even before it turns into
| altitude sickness. (This is probably especially valuable info if
| you have gut issues or blood health issues.)
| Noumenon72 wrote:
| The domain and big words had me expecting a scientific paper; the
| fact that they jump from topic to topic without driving toward
| anything or saying how it's connected had me thinking GPT-3; the
| fact that the conclusion is "we can conclude with this
| reflection: Breath has patterns. Schemes create behavior. Breath
| is a behavior. Behavior represents the person. Breath reveals the
| person." has me thinking it might be some kind of planted article
| for fake yoga marketers to cite. Maybe I just skimmed too fast
| and didn't give it a chance.
| cassepipe wrote:
| "but there is no current, concrete data on the effects that the
| rehabilitative training or manual approaches could have on the
| patient; in particular, on his/her cognitive and cerebral aspects
| in general."
| whereistimbo wrote:
| > Stopping the diaphragm is extremely important because your
| egoic thoughts (or life situation) is tied to the diaphragm. The
| ego needs time to exist - a past or a future. You are
| consciousness and exist only in the present moment. I have not
| read this in a book or been told this by anyone, I have
| experienced this. I don't understand all of it yet but I know my
| thought patterns have completely changed since activating my
| kundalini - time no longer exists in my thoughts. The only thing
| that matters to me is this present moment.
|
| source: https://yogaforums.com/t/kundalini-and-the-breathless-
| state/...
| chrisweekly wrote:
| Sounds very reminiscent of Eckhart Tolle ("The Power of Now").
| Which I recommend.
| whereistimbo wrote:
| OP (umunhum) in the linked post did read Eckhart Tolle book.
| whereistimbo wrote:
| In my experience, gain control over a person's diaphragm means
| gain control over the person's ego.
| amelius wrote:
| > You are consciousness and exist only in the present moment.
|
| Perhaps not the time/place to ask but did anyone ever
| investigate how this can be true given that information needs a
| small amount of time to travel between neurons? Aren't we
| actually living in a time-interval rather than a time-point?
| kovek wrote:
| I actually tried to sign up to yogaforums yesterday and I could
| not get the verification email.
|
| Breathing is such an interesting aspect of life that we don't
| explore a lot in popular culture.
| [deleted]
| chubot wrote:
| I've been interested in it for the last 2 or 3 years, and
| pleasantly surprised that it's showing up on HN a lot.
|
| Here's a surprising claim that has scientific concensus:
| Basically ALL humans have problems breathing. That is, apes
| and other mammals don't have these problems.
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| The two main reasons are the anatomical changes due to the
| evolution of speech, and the advent of agriculture, which
| completely changed our diets and thus the structure of our
| jaw.
|
| Previous comments:
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| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23435964
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| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24247066
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| More comments about nestor's recent book Breath:
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| https://www.google.com/search?q=nestor+site%3Anews.ycombinat.
| ..
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| The book is very good, but it's not "conclusive". It's a good
| exploration of many facets of breathing. It is a big subject
| and everyone is a little different.
|
| However it's been eye opening to me how many "minor"
| unexplained chronic health problems are ultimately caused by
| bad breathing. (And these turn into major problems over 10 or
| 20 years.) If you go to the doctor, you'll get treatment for
| the symptoms and not the cause (this has happened to many
| people in my family, and many people I know)
| kovek wrote:
| > Here's a surprising claim that has scientific concensus:
| Basically ALL humans have problems breathing
|
| I believe this might be true. Do you have a citation, paper
| or source?
|
| Thank you for the resources you linked!
|
| How could I explore breathing (mine or generally)?
| [deleted]
| whereistimbo wrote:
| Psychosomatic diseases are real, and asana pranayama mudra bandha
| shatkarma are exist to alleviate them.
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