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Show HN: Twelve70 - Men's outfit generator and closet management
Author : rubanraj
Score : 100 points
Date : 2020-11-17 18:22 UTC (4 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.twelve70.com)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.twelve70.com)
| Anon4Now wrote:
| Colorblind people would be a good target market. Two people in my
| family are colorblind, and picking out things that match can be a
| challenge for them.
| cvhashim wrote:
| Did it break? Web site loads up but doesn't seem to be working on
| mobile safari.
| rubanraj wrote:
| It's getting the hug of death...I'm upping the resources
| Aeolun wrote:
| I cannot add any outerwear to my closet because the menu at the
| bottom completely covers that option if you've already added
| pants and shirts.
|
| The design of this website can do with a little cleanup.
| yomansat wrote:
| Very very nice PWA, it feels like a native app.
|
| This would serve as a great example to people, thank you!
| cridenour wrote:
| Looks like a great start. I worked in this space for a couple
| years with Cladwell [0] and would be happy to chat with you on
| what worked and didn't. Definitely came with it's own scaling
| issues as our users would add 400 items from their closets,
| generating tens of millions of outfits!
|
| [0] https://cladwell.com
| rubanraj wrote:
| Would love to chat! Can you We've been looking at cladwell too,
| their app is cool, but we noticed that its catered more towards
| women and we've had user's mention this as well.
| cridenour wrote:
| Send me an e-mail at chrisridenour on gmail!
| danielovichdk wrote:
| I am not wearing jeans with a red sweater, Green jacket and pink
| shoes.
| rubanraj wrote:
| I do have to admit, some of the outfits could be a bit more
| fashion forward with the way the algorithm is setup right now.
| But if you were to add items to your closet and generate
| outfits, you would get results more towards your taste. Using
| it without a closet and limited preference settings acts more
| of an idea bank.
| gk1 wrote:
| This is really neat. Tried a few variations and the
| recommendations are not too shabby.
|
| Personally, I've solved the "what to wear" problem by simplifying
| my wardrobe to just a few basic items, each item available in
| several safe colors that are easy to mix-and-match. In the past I
| agonized over what to wear. Now I can get dressed in the pre-dawn
| darkness and come out looking alright.
| supernova87a wrote:
| It's a great time to be putting out the alpha version of this --
| only has to handle array[1] item of each of clothing type as you
| sit in front of your monitor at home!
| szundi wrote:
| Does not work on iPhone
| rubanraj wrote:
| give it another shot. The resources were too low for the amount
| of traffic.
| joegahona wrote:
| - Burgundy athletic shorts
|
| - Light pink long-sleeve henley
|
| - Khaki duffle coat
|
| - Black penny loafers
| rubanraj wrote:
| ....that shouldn't be happening.
| c_prompt wrote:
| I consider this a funny story. You might consider it just sad...
|
| Preface: my style could be considered wanting when it comes to
| picking out my own clothes. Many years ago, I did a complete
| refresh of my clothes because nothing fit and everything was
| well-worn. So I took a buddy whom I considered stylish to
| Nordstrom's and he, along with the salesperson, took what I gave
| them as my budget and general requirements to pick out a complete
| wardrobe. They did so. However, there were so many different
| items and colors and I didn't know how to mix and match. So my
| friend devised the following list which I still keep:
|
| Matching:
|
| Yellow Polo goes everything but black (blue and mocha best)
|
| Blue check goes with gray and stone (blue and stone best)
|
| Dark tan herringbone goes with black, camel, tan, stone (olive
| and mocha ok)
|
| Camel (shiney) goes with tan, black, mocha, and olive
|
| Camel (short-sleeve button down) goes with mocha, olive, and
| black (tan is average)
|
| Eggplant/Plum button down goes with blue, black, gray, camel,
| mocha, and tan
|
| Taupe goes with tan, stone, black, and camel (not blue)
|
| Purple goes with tan, stone, black, camel, blue, and mocha (not
| olive)
|
| Blue/Gray (slate) t-shirt goes with tan, black, and navy (stone
| is best and camel is ok)
|
| Sky blue t-shirt goes with everything but olive (tan and stone
| are best, black is ok)
|
| Burgundy t-shirt goes with everything (olive best)
|
| Olive/Green t-shirt goes with stone, tan, black, camel, and mocha
| (olive is ok)
|
| Black pants always black belt
|
| Tan (with black) -> black
|
| Tan (with lighter/softer) -> brown
|
| Yellow -> brown
|
| Tan goes with either
|
| Herringbone goes with either
|
| Green -> brown
|
| Mocha will almost always wear brown (except if black pants, then
| either)
|
| Black and blue pants will be black shoes except for light shirt
| (e.g., yellow)
|
| Stone will more often go with brown except with purple and black
| shirt (though not necessary)
|
| Treat gray as black
|
| Socks always match pants or darker
|
| Earth tone pants with black socks ok in bind
|
| Don't mix belt and shoes
|
| Served me many years. Sadly, none of those clothes fit me
| anymore. So here I am again...
| rubanraj wrote:
| Oh man, that's alot of hardcoded rules to follow. They seem to
| make sense.
|
| Would it help if we suggested capsule closets to guide you? For
| example closet#1 has a set number of items for each category
| which you can just click and buy in your size and have added to
| the site closet. Then you can go and generate outfits from
| everything you own...?
| c_prompt wrote:
| Probably not and, candidly, I'm not sure I'd use the app.
| Putting aside that my build is described as athletic and it's
| typically hard for me to find clothes that fit properly
| (e.g., larger shoulders/chest/biceps, small waist), for me to
| feel comfortable buying anything, I'd want someone to get to
| know my personality and nuances (e.g., overheats easily),
| make recommendations that I try on and model in front of them
| to get opinions (e.g., "yes, that works"; "next!"), and help
| me gain a better understanding of WHY something looks good
| vs. doesn't. I think it'd be hard for me to get that from
| someone other than a friend and not being in person (a video
| chat might work but I have doubts). I'm highly unlikely to
| rely on an algorithm when it comes to matching/style.
| truckerbill wrote:
| You should plot this advice on a colour-wheel - try and form
| your own conclusions from this rigid set of rules. You'll find
| a simpler, smaller set of rules is guiding them (which can be
| somewhat unique to your tastes). Also as an artist I would
| advise paying attention to both hue and saturation when looking
| at outfits. Usually things look bad because people put too many
| brightly saturated colours next to each other.
| Animats wrote:
| Someone actually built the closet program from _Clueless_![1]
|
| [1] https://youtu.be/XNDubWJU0aU
| petargyurov wrote:
| I like the idea, but the illustrations are too basic. I think
| something with more depth and artistic style is required. Right
| now a lot of them look more or less identical.
|
| Real world examples would be great as well.
| pugworthy wrote:
| To save us black t-shirt fans some time, here's a quick link...
|
| https://www.twelve70.com/outfits?category1=top&item1=t-shirt...
| dbandstra wrote:
| This is fun to mess around with. It would be nice if you could
| select "climate" (like daily weather or even season) as an
| additional input. It keeps adding puffy vests and jackets over an
| already warm shirt. Maybe loosen up the top/outerwear
| distinction? e.g. a flannel shirt could also serve as outerwear.
| rubanraj wrote:
| You can set your weather if you click the gear icon on the top
| right. If you set it to 'use current' it will update the
| weather every time you're on the site. We're working on the
| layering aspect which will have flannels and cardigans as
| outerwear layers.
| dbandstra wrote:
| Cool, I missed that :) The temperature setting does seem to
| make it stop picking puffy jackets, although it's still
| coming up with some pretty heavy outfits. I'm sure that's
| just a matter of simple tweaking.
|
| Will keep an eye on this, it's nice even if it picks some
| crazy outfits. At least it gets you thinking outside the box.
| cdubzzz wrote:
| Looks interesting -- however much of the app does not work if
| www.googletagmanager.com is blocked. Is that necessary to the
| functionality or just an oversight?
| tristor wrote:
| I encountered the same issue. I refuse to whitelist blatant
| third-party trackers to use a service, so I checked it and then
| immediately closed the tab.
| Karawebnetwork wrote:
| Not only that but it makes sharing the website a chore. Half
| the people you share it to will complain that it's not
| working at all... and try telling someone "here's a random
| link, make sure to disable your anti-trackers to visit it!"
| cdubzzz wrote:
| Do general tracking blockers and mainstream lists block GTM
| though? I use a massive combined listed on a pi-hole so not
| sure which one it comes from. Just curious as there are,
| theoretically, non-invasive, non-ad tracking use cases for
| GTM.
| nitrogen wrote:
| GTM is usually the wedge that marketing uses to pry its
| way into a site's code without engineering involvement,
| and thus blocking GTM will often prevent a _huge_ list of
| other trackers, ads, and late-loading content changes
| from being loaded.
| Silhouette wrote:
| I think Google ran out of good will/benefit of the doubt
| when it comes to tracking tech a long time ago. AFAIK,
| every blocker tool I use on any platform, which probably
| includes most of the well-known ones by now, will block
| GTM in the default configuration.
|
| If a site doesn't work properly with GTM blocked,
| legitimate use case or not, personally I normally just
| move on. Unless I have a compelling reason to need that
| site, I won't make any attempt to work around it or
| change my blocker settings.
|
| The only Google property I'm aware of that isn't
| routinely blocked by these kinds of tools now is Google
| Fonts, and I think some of them even block that by
| default now.
| unethical_ban wrote:
| I'm running it in a private tab with all tracking protection
| and ublock off, and it is still slow. Slashdotted, maybe?
| rubanraj wrote:
| Definitely an oversight. I'll fix it right away. My apologies.
| cdubzzz wrote:
| Thanks! Now you'll just have the big traffic bump to deal
| with (:
| irrational wrote:
| This is fantastic. 90% of my wardrobe is shorts and t-shirts
| (basically my daily outfit since growing up in South Florida
| 30-40 years ago). But, I have thought on occasion that I would
| like to upscale my wardrobe. I just have no idea how to go about
| it. At least this website could tell me what might go well
| together. It's a start.
| throwaway201103 wrote:
| I'm the same. I'm wearing a non-brand polo shirt and jeans most
| days.
|
| Honestly, I'd go to a good mens clothing store and talk to them
| about your goals. Don't buy too much at once, try to stay
| fairly classic/timeless at first until you figure out what you
| like.
|
| I can't do it because I'm too much of a tightwad to spend $100+
| on a shirt, or $700 on a blazer, which is what the average is
| at the store I'm thinking of. But they will work with you, get
| your measurements, and do alterations so that the stuff you buy
| really fits well (which is a big part of what makes an outfit
| look really good -- it's more than just the right combination
| of colors).
| dubcanada wrote:
| Seems to be getting hugged to death.
|
| From the brief amount of time playing with it, it seems to be
| rather basic in it's outfit generation.
|
| For example I picked an orange tennis sweater. And it recommended
| black full zip jacket (to go over the orange tennis sweater? so
| basically they recommend you not wear a orange tennis sweater?),
| hot pink trousers and white espadrilles.
|
| So it seems to match color with a random item (hot pink trousers
| and a black top? and white shoes?). The shoes are also summer
| shoes, and if you are wearing a sweater with a zip up jacket over
| top you probably need more then a single ply fabric shoe with
| rope soles.
|
| Second time it picked a brown fleece jacket to go over your
| orange sweater, with khaki pants, and light blue tennis sneakers.
| First why would you ever wear a fleece jacket over top of a
| tennis sweater, usually tennis sweaters are knit so you are
| wearing sheep on top of sheep, unless you are playing in -20c
| probably a bit excessive.
|
| Moral of the story is it seems to be more of a random clothing
| articles mixed with colour combinations then an actual outfit
| generator.
| rubanraj wrote:
| You can set your weather and it will provide more fitting
| outfits. If you don't set it, the outfits that generate are
| based on random weather conditions.
| dsr_ wrote:
| Two bits:
|
| - your terms of service says that it's the user's responsibility
| to maintain a backup. Do you actually offer a data download
| service, or is this just legal fluff that you copied?
|
| - when someone uses one or two seed items to look for outfits,
| and you don't know that they have other items in their closet
| already, you could (and probably should) offer to link them to a
| site that sells that stuff. Don't offer to sell them a seed item
| or something that you know that they already own.
| rubanraj wrote:
| - Thanks for catching that. It was copied for the most part,
| and I must've missed that section.
|
| - We are connected with one retailer and working to connect
| with more. Some of the items in the outfits have a shopping bag
| icon which indicated that there are items available to shop.
| mmm_grayons wrote:
| Back in my day, we used to call "closet management" and "outfit
| generator" a "wife".
| renewiltord wrote:
| Mate, you can't say that.
| inetsee wrote:
| Are you saying that your wife has never said "Are you really
| going to wear that?"
| maerF0x0 wrote:
| Should be ShowHN:
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| Awesome app.
|
| Really, really, slow on my end.
| rubanraj wrote:
| It was getting the hug of death that I didn't expect. I upped
| the resources now so it should be much faster.
| maerF0x0 wrote:
| +1 much faster now. Thank you .
|
| Would love to see this link to similar outfits on Instagram
| (or whatever the kids uses these days for fashion)
| zaroth wrote:
| My suggestion; defer the signup.
|
| Just create a shell account and let people start creating
| outfits. The more work they do, the more likely they are to want
| to "Save", i.e. create an account.
|
| I wonder if you have stats on how many sessions click "Closet",
| see the signup page and don't click through.
|
| Let prospective users actually do something with your app, and as
| long as the session is unregistered keep an obvious button to
| Save/Register on screen.
| rubanraj wrote:
| I just switched over from the 'shell account' for the closet,
| to what it is now. Just testing the waters, but thanks for the
| advice. I'll look at the stats and see which works better.
| Snitch-Thursday wrote:
| I enjoyed this app.
|
| Features that occurred to me that I'd want if I were to create an
| account:
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| can I mark which clothing options I own vs don't?
|
| For items I don't own, could my account hold my measurements to
| give appropriate Amazon shopping links (with affiliates to this
| site probably) so if I want an outfit I just hit 'buy'?
|
| Can I get 5 outfits generated for a workweek, with each of the 5
| ensuring they are not reusing tops/bottoms back to back on same
| day?
| rubanraj wrote:
| Yep, you can add items you own in the closet, then you can
| generate outfits with only those items.
|
| Re: measurements...that's on our roadmap.
|
| That can definitely be implemented without much effort.
| gao8a wrote:
| Great app! It's very clean and aesthetic will no doubt build
| trust in your user demographic.
|
| idk why but every wife beater combo makes me chuckle
| https://www.twelve70.com/outfits?category1=top&item1=tanktop...
| asdfman123 wrote:
| I got a red oxford shirt, purple fleece vest, navy jeans and
| navy hiking shoes. Has AI gone too far?
| mzongi wrote:
| Sick app. Big fan
| rubanraj wrote:
| Thanks! Glad you enjoy it.
| omeze wrote:
| I consider myself a male fashion fan, not bleeding edge but I
| spend a few hundred to a few thousand on clothes per year.
| Generally I think the interface is good (other than the latency
| that others have pointed out). But the outfit recommendations
| seem quite bad/nonsensical (sorry for bluntness):
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| For a denim trucker jacket (a fairly common outerwear in many
| menswear lines/people's closets) it recommended: One outfit with
| Sand colored shoes + Khakis (no contrast between shoes/pants...)
| Two outfits that had no shirts but another jacket (eg a red track
| jacket...)
|
| Its not all bad, one example outfit generated from a plain white
| crwwneck sweater was clever - olive flight jacket + orange
| trousers + white mocassins.
|
| I wonder how you've built the recommendation engine. Is it using
| a dataset to generate these (maybe include a real photo of the
| look?) Or is it generating them based on color/style rules? Or
| (what Id hope) a combination (learn rules from a lookbook dataset
| that can give general tips then also fall vs spring tips).
|
| Either way, thanks for sharing - this is a fun tool to play with
| but it feels like I'm searching for needles in a haystack right
| now.
| ape4 wrote:
| white mocassins are silly. They would get dirty in a second.
| FireBeyond wrote:
| Yeah, I had one option for a blue gingham oxford short come
| back with tan chinos...
|
| ... and grey slides (sandals/flipflops).
|
| Hmm.
| baron816 wrote:
| Even if it worked well, it hard to believe using it would be
| less effort than figuring things out on your own. Men who care
| about what they look like are probably going to have decent
| instincts about what to wear. Men who don't care, well, they're
| not going to try.
| marcinzm wrote:
| There's men who care because society cares but don't want to
| spend all the effort gaining the instincts themselves.
| Probably also useful for people who come from, for example,
| poor families and never had guidance on such things growing
| up so would need to devote extra effort to gain the
| instincts.
| baron816 wrote:
| Well, I think what they need is to look at a blog like
| https://putthison.com/. It's easier to read a few articles
| on there than to try to use some janky app everyday.
| Timpy wrote:
| I think there's a third very specific category of "men who
| care but don't know how, but they love making systems out of
| things to help solve their problems." You might find one or
| two of these kinds on Hacker News.
| omeze wrote:
| Totally agree & I started in this category so I can
| sympathize. I spent more $ & time in dressing rooms than I
| care to admit to figure out what specific outfit
| combinations worked and how different brands fit. Having
| something like this that worked well would've been an
| amazing starting point, and I was hoping that Pinterest's
| visual search feature would eventually become something
| like this (as that'd get me to actually use Pinterest). I
| think more men would dress well if it weren't so hard!
| throwaway201103 wrote:
| So we just need Garanimals for grown ups?
| tcgv wrote:
| Same impression here. Great UI, but weird outfit suggestion. My
| first test resulted in:
|
| - Black dress shirt + Black pleated shorts + Off white slides
| sokoloff wrote:
| I'm so far out of the target market for this that I don't
| even know what slides are. (Even _after_ googling, I 'm still
| only about 75% sure.)
| appleflaxen wrote:
| here are outfits based on off-white slip-on shoes.
|
| https://www.twelve70.com/outfits?category1=footwear&item1=s
| l...
| uoaei wrote:
| This is pretty common in novice machine learning models -- not
| explicitly building in constraints and invariants, i.e.,
| "inductive bias".
|
| Seems like a huge oversight to allow outfits with no shirts but
| two jackets, for example.
| WalterSear wrote:
| Get with the times, man!
| breck wrote:
| nit: I can think of 1 brand that has numbers in its name: 7-11
| (and not a western brand). I haven't actually looked at hard
| data, but my guess is you decrease your odds of success by having
| a number in your brand name.
| samatman wrote:
| 7-11 is famously an American brand.
|
| The Japanese bought it, and admittedly they've taken it further
| than the USA ever did.
|
| Neither 23andMe, nor Forever 21, seem to be doing poorly. Don't
| think this one is a show stopper.
| seshagiric wrote:
| I clicked 'select bottom' and then it went to infinite
| loop...trying to think if it means something :)
| antihero wrote:
| Seems like a fun idea, but for some reason it seems to hide a
| bunch of second choices? E.g. I was seeing if I could get a black
| tank + black leather jacket + black jeans + black combats (what I
| wear daily) and it wont let me :(
|
| Perhaps it's not really geared toward niche/subculture fashion?
| puranjay wrote:
| Fantastic! Unlike a lot of similar apps, this actually generated
| decent enough outfits. The pairings were good, especially the
| color combinations.
|
| I do believe that the shoe suggestions are uniformly bad -
| sockless moccasins with camo pants is not a good look!
|
| But for most people, I would say it's a great start
| rubanraj wrote:
| Fashion is always going to have its bias'. The algorithm does
| need some tweaking. But once you have your closet filled with
| the items you own, it will be more useful to you.
| admiral33 wrote:
| Did you do the sketches yourself?
| rubanraj wrote:
| Yes, we did.
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