[HN Gopher] Scaleway Stardust Instances
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Scaleway Stardust Instances
Author : Sami_Lehtinen
Score : 46 points
Date : 2020-11-24 19:02 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| Youden wrote:
| Some comparisons of the entry-level offerings at a few providers:
|
| - Stardust, 0.0025EUR/h: 1 vCPU, 1GB RAM, 10GB disk, unlimited
| 100Mbps network
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| - Hetzner, 0.004EUR/h: 1 vCPU, 2GB RAM, 20GB disk, 20TB 10Gbps
| network
|
| - Azure, 0.005$/h: 1vCPU, 0.5GB RAM, 4GiB disk, per-byte network
|
| - Amazon Lightsail, ~0.005$/h: 1vCPU, 0.5GB RAM, 20GB disk, 1TB
| ???bps network
|
| - Amazon Lightsail, ~0.007$/h: 1vCPU, 1GB RAM, 40GB disk, 2TB
| ???bps network
|
| - DigitalOcean, $0.007/h: 1vCPU, 1GB RAM, 25GB disk, 1TB ???bps
| network
|
| - OVH, 0.008EUR/h: 1vCPU, 2GB RAM, 10GB disk, unlimited 100Mbps
| network
|
| - GCP, 0.009$/h: 0.2vCPU, 0.6GB RAM, no disk, per-byte network
|
| I suppose the big question is how well the CPU performs. Their
| "price/performance" graph naturally makes them look quite good
| but it has some issues. The biggest one is that the methodology
| is entirely missing but there are some smaller clear issues like
| comparing to Amazon's C6g instance (which costs 13x as much)
| instead of the price-comparable Lightsail instances.
| rektide wrote:
| I haven't used it much lately but LunaNode is a smaller player
| but with a very solid service offering, with attachable storage
| &c &c.
|
| Their small m1s instances are $3.5/month or 0.0045$/hr. 1GB
| ram, 15GB storage, bandwidth is a little harder to understand
| exactly but "1TB". No affiliation but they've been around & had
| good low price tiers for a while now, easy to use, worked
| great, all with APIs for on demand. I think it's all openstack
| based? Maybe? Love to see.
|
| Lot of great "lowendbox" providers these days. And some not so
| great ones! Few offer the array of services you expect from a
| cloud provider (attachable storage, networking, ipv6, &c).
| Great to see folks who do!
|
| These days I'm mainly on by-thr-month boxes but I appreciate
| having some short-term load providers I respect & trust.
|
| https://www.lunanode.com/pricing
| justinclift wrote:
| > I suppose the big question is how well the CPU performs.
|
| While that's true, Scaleway have an (at best) mixed reputation
| for IP stability and poor customer support.
|
| eg: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24976899
| tyingq wrote:
| Lightsail viciously throttles after only a small amount of cpu
| use. I've not seen anything obvious to compare it to, as it
| would only be useful for something really occasionally bursty.
| nisa wrote:
| Oracle Cloud had a free tier that's quite good, if you only need
| something to tinker.
| tmikaeld wrote:
| Seems like a way to upsell their other offerings, one foot inside
| the door.
| tormeh wrote:
| Took a look at Cloud Mercato reports for compute, and the tl;dr
| is that Hetzner is so much better value than anything else that
| it's not even funny. And if you have to use one of the big three,
| use GCP.
| ve55 wrote:
| I've used Scaleway for several projects across many years,
| personal experience for those interested:
|
| Pros:
|
| - often free/unmetered bandwidth - very useful for some projects
|
| - relatively cheap prices
|
| - low downtime in general
|
| - decent support ticket response times
|
| Cons:
|
| - CPU is generally rather slow, very noticeable compared to
| mainstream providers like AWS, GC, etc
|
| - little selection of some parameters such as location (only
| Paris, Amsertdam, Warsaw)
|
| - have had some issues with stopping/starting instances being
| absurdly slow due to how they move the entire disk around in the
| past
|
| I think they're a decent choice for side projects that are
| intended to run at a low cost scale, since the unmetered
| bandwidth can add up to a lot of savings compared to some
| competitors (they don't lie about unmetered either - I used to
| have a $4/month instance that sometimes used >10TB/month, and
| they never complained), but I likely wouldn't use them for a
| serious or high-growth startup.
| othercharles wrote:
| Price/perf of this is hidden by the tiny slice of hardware you
| get. Equivalent to my Hetzner machine would be 116 Euro/mo.
| before accounting for the 10x higher peak bandwidth, 2x capacity
| dedicated NVMe, 4TB of magnetic storage and 100GB of backup space
| I get for 60 Euro/mo.
|
| I have no idea what "1 vCPU" means in this context but severely
| doubt it even means "1 hyperthread", unless the physical hardware
| were something like dual 16 core or single 32 core chips.
|
| Definite pass
| sabalaba wrote:
| It looks interesting. Sounds like they're going to be charging
| for an entire year of service up front or at least as part of an
| annual contract, which makes sense. (See: "Stardust will only be
| the beginning in a year-long partnership.") So this will be 21.99
| euros ($26.04 USD) for the year. I wonder if this is an x86
| instance or if it's ARM. Pricing would make a lot of sense if it
| was ARM.
| ac29 wrote:
| According to the blog post "every service, feature and scenario
| currently provided via its DEV1-S instances will also be
| available on Stardust Instances" [0]. The DEV1-S is an AMD Epyc
| and the technical specs match up as well. So, that seems most
| likely.
|
| [0] https://blog.scaleway.com/a-star-is-born-as-scaleway-
| launche...
| tyingq wrote:
| I suppose I know where the next wave of vulnerability scans is
| coming from now.
| gallexme wrote:
| Weird price /performance comparison with hetzner, their cheapest
| is 2.89EUR scaleway is 1.8EUR, hetzner offers double ram and
| storage and 1+gbit internet (in my experience usually 2.5gbit)
| tiernano wrote:
| Is it not per of the cpu?
| gallexme wrote:
| Idont know, the "independent" benchmark site doesn't really
| work on mobile, n most links go to some kind of broken login
| Form
|
| But ime scaleway had slower cpu crunching Power and web
| requests per second than similar hetzner cloud machines, and
| online. net(parent company) always had routing problems to me
| which couldn't be resolved in timely manners (1gbit dedicated
| server only 100mbit arrived at my place)
| spurgu wrote:
| I had issues so many times with Scaleway where it took
| insanely long to reboot a server, seemingly getting stuck
| on some network provisioning, so I ended up ditching them
| altogether. Might use these boxes for some testing or
| throwaway stuff though.
|
| Currently happy with DO and Hetzner, and increasingly so
| with the latter. But Hetzner's lack of firewall is a bit
| annoying, esp. when using Docker (which interferes with
| iptables).
| stustustu wrote:
| There is a firewall right? it is just off by default.
| stustustu wrote:
| right I was thinking of Konsole
| gallexme wrote:
| > But Hetzner's lack of firewall
|
| the cloud offering doesnt has any which is controllable
| with the webinterface,but the machines are still firewall
| protected(mostly for ddos/abuse), but i would just use a
| firewall vm as entry point and keep the production
| machines in a private network
|
| u could also use the dedicated servers firewall(the
| Konsole for dedicated servers has firewall rules in the
| webinterface, u can attach vswitches to cloud instances)
| gallexme wrote:
| it all seems a bit fishy
|
| there ads for scaleway on the linkedin page on cloud-mercato,
| "A week ago, Scaleway release the European VM with the lowest
| price. This week, place to the biggest machine with 448 CPU
| and 7.6 TB of RAM aka "#baremetall Ultimate Performance"."
| they only have 1 employee on linkedin, company location paris
|
| the website is owned by a portugese company called
| balladscale with 2 employees and generates $56,524 in sales
| (USD).
|
| unless cloud-mercato is just a buggy mess, it feels like its
| been put up in last minute, there bugs everywhere
|
| after logging in with a computer
|
| they dont even offer a "price score" for hetzner
| https://imgur.com/a/ymMUTj0
|
| and dont offer a storage performance for scaleway
| https://imgur.com/a/3qZuxdK
|
| they do offer to a "compute score" comparison with both in it
| and the hetzner machine is somehow ~3% slower, but that
| doesnt make up the price difference metrics on scaleway
| website
|
| https://imgur.com/a/o7MO8Nb
| tyingq wrote:
| Scaleway is owned by Iliad Group. It's a legit subsidiary
| of a legit multi billion dollar French telecom corporation.
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iliad_SA
|
| Edit: Ah, the concern is Cloud Mercato, cited in the
| benchmark graphs.
| gallexme wrote:
| The fishy parts are about cloud-mercato Not scaleway
| mrpetruccio wrote:
| I'm using scaleway for more than 3 years. Moved to thm all
| my websites.
| tiernano wrote:
| Nice price for a small vm... If.my math are correct, EUR1.86 per
| month (744hours). Not bad...
| spurgu wrote:
| A month is 365.25/12=30.4375 days on average, disregarding leap
| seconds.
| tiernano wrote:
| Some providers use 720 (30 days) hours, some 744 (31days), I
| have even seen one doing 672 (28 days)...
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