[HN Gopher] Bombadillo
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Bombadillo
Author : ykat7
Score : 30 points
Date : 2020-11-26 20:12 UTC (2 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (bombadillo.colorfield.space)
(TXT) w3m dump (bombadillo.colorfield.space)
| ykat7 wrote:
| > Bombadillo is a non-web browser, designed for a growing list of
| protocols operating outside of the web.
| echelon wrote:
| More of this is great!
|
| I wish we had a protocol for articles and text content that
| couldn't be turned into an application layer with JavaScript.
| JavaScript took the web in a weird direction.
|
| Semantic articles, comments, upvoting, media - distributed p2p
| - could disrupt Google, Adtech, and increase signal to noise
| ratio dramatically.
|
| Imagine Napster / Bittorrent for news. Shared p2p. That would
| be amazing. There's no HTML to enforce presentation rules. Your
| client can represent the content any way you want.
|
| I love the web, but I hate what Google, Facebook, Reddit et al
| have turned it into.
|
| The signal is in the text and media content. Not the HTML/JS
| shell it comes wrapped in.
|
| I think p2p is the right model to avoid the walled garden
| boondoggle. People can bootstrap it by pirating New York Times,
| etc. content at first, but then adding micro transactions
| later. Or maybe it should be completely free from monetization
| attempts.
|
| Comments and upvotes could flow like email, completely
| distributed. They'd be cryptographically signed to prevent
| spoofing, and you could curate your own peer group.
|
| The web doesn't have to be the final protocol.
| anthk wrote:
| Or just use RSS and Lynx/Links as the link handler.
| core-questions wrote:
| I think that's precisely what Gemini is enabling here. If you
| want more formatting for your article, your Gemini site can
| just link to a TeX or PDF or whatever you like; Gemini can
| download files, they're just expected to display in a
| different application.
|
| I like your ideas around Bittorrent and would love to see a
| system combining podcast-style RSS feeds and Bittorrent to
| enable decentralized video subscriptions. If we can get those
| RSS feeds onto some easy to find IPFS location, then we're
| set to replace Youtube as long as the famed Network Effect
| can be harnessed.
|
| > Imagine Napster / Bittorrent for news. Shared p2p. That
| would be amazing. There's no HTML to enforce presentation
| rules. Your client can represent the content any way you
| want.
|
| Ultimately just re-inventing Usenet here; might make sense to
| just head back into the land of Usenet and start actually
| using the big network of providers that are already set up
| well to defend themselves from DMCA claims and other
| takedowns.
|
| > The signal is in the text and media content. Not the
| HTML/JS shell it comes wrapped in.
|
| Time was we had a healthy competition in desktop clients for
| Usenet, mail, etc. that would use common protocols but
| differentiate themselves on usability and feature set.
|
| We see the shadow of that with website-specific clients (I
| use Hackers and Apollo on iOS, for example) that provide more
| functionality or a better look-n-feel on different form
| factors - but they're specific to a website, and while Reddit
| allows community creation, it's not the same as something
| actually decentralized, as is evidenced by their insane level
| of censorship lately (i.e. banning entire communities that
| aren't breaking the law just because they disagree with their
| political opinions).
|
| > Or maybe it should be completely free from monetization
| attempts.
|
| Eh. I'd like to see a standardized section of document
| metadata that is able to include links to donations; make it
| super easy for me to click a button and donate 25 cents worth
| of BTC to someone and I will click it all the time.
|
| > Comments and upvotes could flow like email, completely
| distributed. They'd be cryptographically signed to prevent
| spoofing, and you could curate your own peer group.
|
| I'd really like to see an easy way of querying Usenet for
| comment threads about a topic, and then on any page I am
| visiting, I should be able to see comments by group, so as to
| pick the "comment section" that I want rather than just one
| shared one that isn't to anyone's liking. Gab's Dissenter
| provided an early vision of this: a meta-commentary mechanism
| not linked to the website in question.
|
| Plenty of other things (NZB indexers) have built stuff on top
| of Usenet using it merely as a distributed, sharded
| datastore. There's precedent here.
| ASalazarMX wrote:
| > Keys are mapped similarly to [Vim] in order to provide a sense
| of familiarity and ease of control.
|
| Hmm. As a non-VIM user, that doesn't sound familiar or easy. More
| client choices here:
| https://gemini.circumlunar.space/clients.html
| opan wrote:
| If you've used `less` you'll probably feel familiar enough.
| gumby wrote:
| I do t quite understand it. I love that it is a gopher browser,
| but why is it better to, say, run telnet within it instead of
| simply at a terminal? Or ftp?
|
| I could imagine it being a nice DNS explorer.
|
| This is not a criticism! Or perhaps it is, but of my failure of
| imagination.
|
| Can someone explain?
| makeworld wrote:
| History, link numbering, bookmarks, etc. It does a lot more
| than just simply show the content.
| jay_kyburz wrote:
| Is there a Hacker News for the Gemini network yet?
| makeworld wrote:
| There's two proxies for the HN links:
| gemini://drewdevault.com/cgi-bin/hn.py and
| gemini://dioskouroi.xyz/top .
|
| I've seen a forum/board or two, but none have really taken
| hold.
| makeworld wrote:
| Something I love about the "small net" (Gemini, Gopher, etc) is
| how easily it maps to terminal usage, as opposed to something
| like using lynx on the modern Web, for example.
|
| Bombadillo supports more than just Gemini, but I was interested
| in Gemini exclusively and created my own Gemini browser inspired
| by Bombadillo.
|
| https://github.com/makeworld-the-better-one/amfora
| Seirdy wrote:
| Both bombadillo and amfora are great! I love bombadillo's
| cross-protocol nature (lots of small-internet sites mix WWW,
| Gemini, and Gopher links) and how it aligns links (indices in
| the margins), but I also love Amfora's syntax highlighting. I
| preview my own Gemini capsule in both before publishing.
| lnenad wrote:
| Fun name, similarly I've created https://mockadillo.com. It seems
| I'm not the only fan of armadillos :)
| makeworld wrote:
| I can't find the source right now for some reason, but
| Bombadillo's name actually comes from Tom Bombadil[1][2].
|
| 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Bombadil 2:
| https://genius.com/J-r-r-tolkien-tom-bombadils-song-annotate...
|
| EDIT: Here's a source:
| https://rawtext.club/~sloum/bombadillo.html
| ykat7 wrote:
| Yep: https://rawtext.club/~sloum/bombadillo.html
|
| > The name Bombadillo comes fromt he legendarium of [J.R.R.
| Tolkien], specifically The Lord of the Rings. [Tom Bombadil],
| who was a jolly fellow, is a mysterious figure. A seemingly
| simple character that speaks in rhymed meter and lives in the
| woods, Tom is master of his domain and is in his way quite
| powerful.
| gumby wrote:
| He is truly the master of his domain: the ring, Gandalf's
| spells, etc have no his realm. I always felt he was a
| survivor or holdover from an earlier age, and akin to a
| god.
| lnenad wrote:
| Ah, I am mistaken then, thanks for the correction :)
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