[HN Gopher] Chinese authorities detain Bloomberg News staff member
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Chinese authorities detain Bloomberg News staff member
Author : partingshots
Score : 73 points
Date : 2020-12-12 20:15 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| bassman9000 wrote:
| _Ms. Fan's legitimate rights have been fully ensured_
|
| Anyone knows what those are?
| eloff wrote:
| All the basic human rights and freedoms as defined in the
| constitution subject to the capricious whims and full
| discretion of the CCP. In other words: none.
| kevin_thibedeau wrote:
| They're all enumerated in the Chinese constitution. Nothing
| more.
| outoftheabyss wrote:
| As democracy is in N.Korea
| gjsman-1000 wrote:
| The Chinese, in practice, do not give the constitution almost
| any weight.
|
| For example: The constitution promises freedom of religion.
| It doesn't take much search to find out how patently false
| this is...
|
| Wikipedia: "Though technically the "supreme legal authority"
| and "fundamental law of the state", the ruling Communist
| Party of China has a documented history of violating many of
| the constitution's provisions and censoring calls for greater
| adherence to it. Furthermore, claims of violations of
| constitutional rights cannot be used in Chinese courts, and
| the National People's Congress Constitution and Law
| Committee, the legislative committee responsible for
| constitutional review, has never ruled a law or regulation
| unconstitutional."
| kevin_thibedeau wrote:
| It they don't like it, every party member has a right to
| stand in meetings and press for change.
| Mindless2112 wrote:
| Without separation of powers, even the best constitution is
| worthless.
| brobinson wrote:
| The PRC constitution guarantees freedom of speech, press,
| assembly, religion, etc. (articles 35 and 36), so... uh...
| cwwc wrote:
| translation: none
| 1cvmask wrote:
| National security "endangerment" is the bane of
| journalists/messengers all over the world ranging from Julian
| Assange to so many countless others. It seems they are not safe
| anywhere.
|
| From the article:
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| "Chinese authorities have detained Haze Fan, a Chinese national
| and Bloomberg News staff member working for their Beijing bureau,
| on suspicion of national security endangerment, Bloomberg
| reported on Friday."
|
| From Australia:
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| https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/apr/27/asio-...
|
| From the UK:
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| https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/20/nsa-snowden-fi...
| umvi wrote:
| Do you believe there is any value in a nation classifying
| information under different security clearances? If so, should
| there be any punishment for taking something classified and
| putting it into public domain?
| closeparen wrote:
| It is one thing to enforce the oaths that government
| employees voluntarily swear while onboarding to their
| positions of trust.
|
| Quite another when regular citizens / journalists are pressed
| into service to protect the state from embarrassment.
| monadic3 wrote:
| Surely this depends on the contents of the information. I
| refuse to carte blanche trust a government to decide secrecy
| when every indication is that this is used to mislead
| citizens. This emphatically is true for both governments in
| question.
| nradov wrote:
| In the US it is perfectly legal for journalists to distribute
| classified information, as long as they don't hold a security
| clearance themselves. I think this strikes the right balance.
| Note that a journalist can still be prosecuted for breaking
| other laws like theft, computer abuse, or conspiracy if they
| use illegal means to obtain the information. But that's
| separate from publishing the information once they have it.
| free_rms wrote:
| But your caveats mean that, in practice, they can come
| after anyone who actually came into contact with the
| material unless it was dead-dropped to them without their
| knowledge, and even then, maybe they were 'encouraging' it.
|
| See Julian Assange. What's his case hinge on again,
| "conspiracy to commit computer intrusion"? Any amount of
| working with a source would be such a conspiracy.
| xnyan wrote:
| Do you believe that governments ever abuse classification
| power? If so, should there be any circumstances where
| classified material can be shared in the public domain?
| blackrock wrote:
| LOL..
|
| Imagine what the western governments would do, if Julian
| Assange had state secrets, and exposed them for the world to
| see?
|
| Oh wait..
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