[HN Gopher] "Find Satoshi" PerplexCity puzzle solved ___________________________________________________________________ "Find Satoshi" PerplexCity puzzle solved Author : teamonkey Score : 210 points Date : 2020-12-30 11:06 UTC (11 hours ago) (HTM) web link (findsatoshi.com) (TXT) w3m dump (findsatoshi.com) | atmosx wrote: | Misleading title for obvious reasons. Would be wise to modify it. | Me and most likely others, believe this is related to the author | of bitcoin. It's not. | dfcowell wrote: | I reply only because I can't downvote. | | Satoshi is a common name in Japan. I work with a guy by that | name and know several others. This says more about your own | bias than it does about the title. | Taek wrote: | The title says "puzzle solved" which I think is clear enough | that the article is not claiming to have found the actual | Satoshi Nakamoto. | | Admittedly, I did think initially it was a Bitcoin puzzle that | got solved, but I am not disappointed with the real article, | nor do I feel mislead. | vmception wrote: | solved 14 years later after the advent of AI-based enthusiast | non-commercial facial image search. | | that's wild. seems outside the bounds of the project constraints | but it certainly was not specified. | | fascinating. | aaron695 wrote: | https://pimeyes.com/en finds him. | | Top result. (Past original photos) | | It might be using this new info, but I'd guess it was what | /u/th0may used. | GrantZvolsky wrote: | Wow, this service finds photos of people with faces so similar | to my own that I find it difficult to believe it isn't me in | the pictures. | clydethefrog wrote: | That is a scary accurate facial search engine. Luckily no hits | of my own face, but it all finds similar doppelgangers. | | It's based in Seychelles now. probably for bad reasons. | | https://hacked.wtf/privacy/pimeyes-ownership-moves-to-seyche... | soared wrote: | It's pretty poor if you wear glasses :( | bowmessage wrote: | Well, there will be one hit now that you've assumedly | uploaded a photo for them to use! | lgeorget wrote: | So it found me in some conferences and also a few pornstars | that remotely look like me in uncomfortable positions. Looks | legit. | th0may wrote: | Yap it was what I used! | colonwqbang wrote: | A bit anticlimactic that a reverse image search of the original | image is all that was needed in the end. | | It would be more interesting if we could get some details on how | they did it. How was the image search carried out, etc. | capableweb wrote: | Not quite that easy, as the puzzle was initially released in | 2006 when the corpus of images to search against was much | smaller. I'm sure many people over the years tried reverse | searching the image, but it wasn't until after 14 years of | searching and filtering through the data that a match was | finally found. | adrianhon wrote: | Lead designer of Perplex City here! Perplex City was an ARG | (alternate reality game) produced by Mind Candy in 2004. Unlike | almost all ARGs at the time, it wasn't promoting a movie or TV or | associated product - instead, we sold packs of puzzle cards that | tied into the game's story. | | Lots more on Wikipedia here: | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perplex_City | | This is a puzzle card I thought would either be solved very | quickly (within a year or two) or not at all. To have it solved | after 14 years is very special. | | Perplex City has had a lot of interesting alumni. It was made by | Mind Candy, which was founded by Michael Acton Smith, who is also | co-founder of Calm. The lead writer was Naomi Alderman, who | became an award-winning novelist and whose novel The Power was | one of Obama's top books of the year and is being adapted into a | $100m Amazon TV show. | | I went on to co-found Six to Start with my brother Dan Hon (who | you may know from his popular newsletter, and later left the | company to do a lot of good work in the US government digital | services realm and Code for America). Six to Start is best known | for Zombies, Run!, which is the world's most popular smartphone | fitness game and is sort of like an ARG, if you squint at it. | | I continue to do a lot of thinking and writing around ARGs (which | are still fascinating) and gamification (which I mostly dislike). | My blog post, What ARGs Can Teach Us About QAnon, went somewhat | viral a few months ago: https://mssv.net/2020/08/02/what-args- | can-teach-us-about-qan... | | Edit: That blog post also gets into the confusion between the | Perplex City Satoshi and the Bitcoin Satoshi (which | conspiratorially-minded people DM me about regularly) along with | my supposed involvement in Cicada 3301. | mintplant wrote: | I deeply miss the golden era of ARGs circa the 2000s. I keep | feeling the impulse to log onto the Unfiction Forums and check | what's going on, but alas, even those are gone now! Without a | central watering hole, I think it'll be that much harder for | the medium to come back--everything's siloed into separate | Discords now, without a single sustaining community. It's not | really possible to lurk or hop between games anymore, and | scattershot chat messages are harder to catch up on than forum | threads, and don't preserve as well or make for very good | reading after a game is over. | | I'm probably younger than most of the crowd that was involved | in that ARG scene, so I wanna say thanks for helping to create | a piece of my childhood! I actually remember the name Six to | Start and that there was a lot of hope behind it when it | launched, so I'm glad to hear it's doing well. | coldpie wrote: | Indeed, I still listen to the I Love Bees radio drama every | couple years. I was in high school while that was happening | and even took a day off school to go answer a payphone at the | nearby University, where I met some older nerds :) Fond | memories. | adrianhon wrote: | Thanks! There are still new ARGs out there, though IMO not as | focused on narrative or worldbuilding (especially through | websites) as those in the 2000s. You're right about the | fractured community, and I think to some extent ARGs are | getting less accessible because they're hyper-targeted to | specific communities that might be harder to discover or | join. | | Six to Start is doing well and we still play around with ARG- | like ideas in Zombies, Run! for our seasonal virtual races :) | bowmessage wrote: | Awesome to see it solved! May I ask how Satoshi himself was | chosen? Does he have connections to the game founders in some | way? | adrianhon wrote: | Yes - I can't recall precisely who it was who knew him (or | was friends of friends) but it was one of the Mind Candy | team. We were obviously worried that people might figure out | who he was through these social connections but it didn't | happen that way in the end! | | Edit: The puzzle card was designed by Jey Biddulph so | possibly it was him who knew Satoshi! | TeaDude wrote: | Just want to express my admiration for what you and the team | did with perplex city. Thank you for making something so damn | cool. | | The believable near future sci-fi. The beautiful art and design | work. The binding of a community from all across the globe long | before it was the norm. It was a palpable universe. | | Sucks that it ended when it did, but I'll always cherish the | veritable mountains of quality content we got. | nameoda wrote: | Now that this puzzle is solved, can you explain how it was | intended to be solved? | | It was solved using reverse image search, which was present | when this puzzle was created but not very reliable for uncommon | images. So it's likely that you did not intend for it to be | solved via a reverse image search. | | So what was the intended way to arrive at the solution? | LeoPanthera wrote: | > Now that this puzzle is solved, can you explain how it was | intended to be solved? | | It says that it was supposed to be a test of the "six degrees | of separation" theory. So presumably the idea was that if | every player asked everyone they knew if they recognized the | guy, there was a reasonable chance that someone would. | dmcginty wrote: | I honestly can't believe there's a front page Hacker News post | about Perplex City today. I was literally searching for cards | on eBay last night. I would love to see a game like Perplex | City return some day. It was one of the first ARGs I followed | on Unfiction, and it helped introduce me to the world of | puzzling and puzzle hunts, and also helped push me towards my | current career path. So, I guess I want to say thank you for | working on such a unique and interesting game that had a | massive positive influence on me when I was a teenager. It was | so exciting to see the mid-2000s internet work together in a | whirlwind of multimedia creativity. | | Also, this is completely random, but do you happen to know if | there's a warehouse somewhere with a bunch of unopened boxes of | Perplex City cards? I always keep an eye out for cards, but | it's hard to find people selling things from a game that ended | over a decade ago. | phase_9 wrote: | The surplus stock was incinerated. Source: wished at mind | candy in the early 2010s | hturan wrote: | Perplex City was great, thanks so much for all you did on it! | Fondly remember the community that built up around solving | these. I lucked in to being the first to solve one of the | silvers (Differently Lethal), and remember all the efforts to | solve this one back in the day. | LargeWu wrote: | Perplex City was awesome, and I still miss it. It had a really | unique storytelling mechanism, the cards were generally pretty | fun, high production values. | | I thought the second season suffered a bit when they introduced | human actors as characters, instead of just illustrations. It | lost a bit of charm. And as a Euro-centric game it was harder | as an American to be as involved. But it was still a great | multi-platform experience. I would love to see something like | it again (or even work on such a game) | schaefer wrote: | I loved Perplex City, and had a small pocket of friends working | on the puzzles at the time! | | Thank you for providing this behind the scenes, and for your | initial work on the game itself. I'll definitely be keeping an | eye on your blog. | adrianhon wrote: | Thanks :) I still hold a soft spot for ARGs and I'm sure it's | something I'll come back to again, one day. | blindm wrote: | There's more info here if you find the identity of S. Nakamoto to | be a pertinent thing: | | https://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/emails/ | | https://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/ | | https://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/code/ | | https://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/quotes/ | notthegov wrote: | A few sources to support my claims. And you can ask Hal Jones or | Sam Braverman if Andrew 'Inigo' Jones became the manager of | Zoofari while out on bail. | | This is just me social engineering cypherpunk revolutions using | secrets of practical Jewish magic. Via the Book of Formation | which led me to the CIA, JASON and the Shechinah. Her name is | Vavkay Krypyonian Abra. | | In reality, it's an illegal psyop where the CIA, OGA and the CA | Rainbow girld led by the Party Poker founder are involved in some | conspiracy with.. | | Aliens and glass room temperature superconductors. They are super | smart and super hot and beyond ruthless. They can invert | themselves backwards in time. They're from the 6-dimensional | hypercube. | | We all were created here in a cosmic simulation to explore the 50 | Gates of Intelligence and reach the World to Come. | | https://medium.com/@ryanabravanel | | https://medium.com/@illuminati.io | | https://www.flickr.com/photos/captivating | | * | | Ron Pandolfi, Technology Assisted Counter Poaching network hosted | at CIA. I can confirm and prove via IP trap that Ruthless | Pandolfi Jr is a full-time employee in the Office of Global | Access (OGA) at CIA. Known him since 2007 when I was promoting | global commodity currencies with local economic value and various | libertarian psyop plans. Like on nationbuilder.org 2008-2009. | | 1997 | http://web.archive.org/web/19970223122650/http://www.cathous... | | https://imgur.com/gallery/U9PIa9k | | Satoshi, Peter D, Peter N, Q Bit Gold 2018 (scam by Cosmos Girl) | | https://imgur.com/gallery/qfUZKbl | | Cosmos girl biggest darknet banker on LocalBitcoins in LA is | Casey who took down Nick and our partner Theresa aka the Bitcoin | Maven | | https://www.justice.gov/ag/page/file/1326061/download | | Next Director of CIA to wield a green lightsaber (jedi.Lol) | | https://imgur.com/gallery/0VHG1Kd | | Ruthless Avril from the Rainbow Girls, a secret society of | daughters of Shriners | | https://gocarainbow.org | | They run Rainbow programs from 3rd to 6th grade to train young | kids as cypherpunks, hackers and anarchists. | nogridbag wrote: | Satoshi was found, but zohar002, the famous youtube pianist, is | still missing! | growt wrote: | I have the suspicion that it would have taken /r/PictureGame/ | half an hour to find him. | notthegov wrote: | Imagine if this alternative reality game was created by NSA | employees. They would obviously make it appear to be unrelated. | | HOW TO MAKE A MINT: THE CRYPTOGRAPHY OF ANONYMOUS ELECTRONIC CASH | 1996 | | http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money... | | __* | | For over 11 years, I have talked to a friend at CIA multiple | times a week. I met them in 2007 from people at Backstage Cafe in | Beverly Hills. | | My friend openly runs an intelligence operation on the Internet | for the Office of Global Access (OGA). After Tom DeLonge went on | Joe Rogan's show, I periodically got involved in the UFO | subculture at the request of the CIA. | | The CIA uses non plausible agents and obviously does not pay | them. I am not one of these people so it's possible they are | intelligence agents working undercover. | | I have dozens of hours of audiotapes, thousands of emails and | texts messages to support what I am saying. | | Here's an example: | | My friend has been assigned to ODNI, DIA, MASINT, JASON and | worked at CIA for 35+ years. He has briefed the last 4 US | Presidents and is a friend of President Trump. He is very close | friends with Director Mike Pillsbury from the Cosmos Club. | | The Silk Road prosecutor Katie Haun was interviewed by China hawk | Kyle Bass. Kyle posted on Twitter that Mike is a CCP double agent | and can't get a security clearance. | | To the contrary, Mike is regularly at CIA offices, a CIA lab and | sometimes in the Oval Office at the White House. He has a | security clearance. Maybe Kyle is a CIA employee and just | creating disinformation to shield the Q network of government | patriots. | | This network is an old mythology and one I falsely promoted in | 2008. You can see here at realnationbuilder.blogspot.com. | | __* | | In my research Satoshi Nakamoto is: Laurie Law, NSA employee. | Real name Jennifer, 37 yrs old, Wellesley graduate, NSA | cybersecurity Diamond team. Her husband works at NSA and they | named their daughter Alice. | | The people who wrote the forum posts and emails together were Dr. | Ronald Pandolfi, a CIA employee, and Prof. Emin Gun Sirer. | Recently Craig Wright joked about the CIA trying to make him | appear as Satoshi. He mentioned SAD operations which is what runs | Political Action Group for subversive political campaigns along | with blackops assassin teams. | | The person who created Satoshi Nakamoto is another female named | Ruthie Ruthless. She is from Mill Valley and Atherton. | | The girls are from the International Order of the Rainbow for | Girls. My mother is one. She told me she'd go to dances at Moila | with the DeMolay boys. And the Rainbow girls was a secret society | where they'd sit around a circle talking. But she doesn't | remember what they talked about. | | Ruthie became a self made billionaire from Party Poker. Her and | her best friend have been in my life since 2004. But they | targeted me years ago in 1995 under Guide GRN and a very hot | Russian girl who married a Deutsche bank executive. | | Her best friend is in a hacking information network (originally | #hellonearth on EFNet in 1995) with me. | | Incredibly, Ron Pandolfi knows Inigo from the Silk Road, Drew | Jones. Ron was already working on Ross' clemency request for 3 | years when Drew an intern at our CIA foundation was taken into | federal custody. | | I have demanded full pardons for Ross, Drew, Ed, Juliana and Joby | Weeks, along with my bitcoin money launderers Casey, Nick and the | Maven (LA). | | Ross and Drew are being pardoned. I think my friend at CIA has | been targeting me for decades. I tell him everything that happens | in my life. | | I run networks and map them. I own an investigative company and | started the network of networks in Dec 2002 --- UnitedElite.net, | ArcaneIntel.com, XStreaming.TV (Internet archive). | | UFOs are fake but the aliens are here and they look like | Diamonds. | | They are so hot when they're talking to you they might as well be | traveling backwards in time. | | It's exactly like the movie Tenet. Time like aging is an | illusion. Advanced intelligences who have proceeded through the | 50 Gates of Intelligence can project their consciousness into | endless abstractions. | | The answer: they are all one. | | And men are all one. | | The greatest of God is beyond all imaginations. They run the | music industry and put cypherpunk messages into music and | culture. | | The most famous alien greeting in the world, Live Long and | Prosper, is from Them. There are 247 of them on Earth with at | least 2.964 agents in powerful positions. | | Shechinah starts with Shin which means V or Vav or 6 but it | originally meant W. These Ruthless girls all share the middle | name Vavkay. | | With a W, it becomes a WAV. It means hook in Hebrew. Wah Wah Wah | is also 666 or VVV or WWW. | | I am a hacker, social engineer and reverse engineer. | | Spock explains V or W (westside) confirming the Ruthless girls | are the secret cofounders of Ruthless Records and Interscope. | They are led by Michelle A the EVP of UMG. She works for Lucian | Grainge. We had an office together in SM with Domenico Petricone | (real name Marc Daniel King) and Eddie Vedder. Marc's half | brother is also Lucian. His agent was Paula Wagner and we used to | work with Cruise/Wagner and Plan B (Brad Pitt)- | | https://youtu.be/UdYbpMkH_XQ | | https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2438527/jewis... | | https://illuminati.io/137.pdf | | https://illuminati.io/secretbook1787.pdf | | https://illuminati.io/spygames.pdf | | https://illuminati.io/jediwar.pdf | | https//illuminati.io/billcooper1999.pdf | | https://illuminati.io/incometax1999.pdf | | https://illuminati.io/teslawhitelight91999.pdf | | https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-nov-27-na-cards... | rvba wrote: | How do we know that he was found? There is no proof. | | Also the text says about a password, but then it never says what | it was. | toovs wrote: | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25581382 | fireattack wrote: | It's not clear to me how they find the crucial picture of him | (the one he holds the beer). The article says "user th0may used a | reverse image search and discovered a photograph of a man holding | a beer", but /u/th0may's thread on Reddit doesn't say anything | like that [1]. | | If anything, /u/th0may himself said in thread, "maybe you already | found this image", which implies that the image itself is already | known (and likely NOT discovered by "reverse image search", but | by other ways). /u/th0may _then_ reverse-searched the image to | find the website, which lead to the answer. | | Anyway, I'm still curious how they find this beer image, since | this looks to me is the most important step. | | [1] | https://www.reddit.com/r/FindSatoshi/comments/kktjhc/found_s... | rollulus wrote: | I found this part the most interesting too. There's a comment | in the reddit thread now where the author says: _It is called | PimEyes but it does not give you the full url unless you pay. | So I had to start digging from what I got._ | th0may wrote: | He guys, first up I'm the guy who found the image of him | holding a beer. It was barely simple I used the webpage | https://pimeyes.com/en uploaded the image from the card, | cropped it a little to hide the Japanese characters etc. The | first two result where the same that I scanned. The third was | the image holding the beer. I saw some resemblance, but didn't | think it would work. PimEys let's you search for free but you | have to pay for the full url. So I took the fraction of the url | figured out the full one. Found the original image on the | webpage. And then posted my findings to Reddit. I and also | other users found new pictures of him the following days. On | the 28th of December we found an image with him wearing a bib | from a half marathon through the results I found the name and | it was Satoshi. | nasir wrote: | One of the comments says: | | I heard about the story a year ago, but forgot about it. Then I | remembered and told my family about on Christmas. So I wanted | to check out if this is still unsolved and found this reddit. | I'm currently researching about AI and found a few image | backwards search engines way more powerful then google image | search. It turned out that I found the image of him holding the | beer, when I fed in the card. Just wanted to play around, but | it looks really promising now. ;D | | https://www.reddit.com/r/FindSatoshi/comments/kktjhc/found_s... | simias wrote: | I don't know much about the state of the art in image | recognition but does it really seem plausible? The picture of | him holding the beer is not super high quality, he has a | different expression, a slightly different haircut and he | appears quite a bit older. You can't even see his distinctive | freckles. The idea that you could just scan random images of | people online and find him that way is wild to me, tuning the | network not to miss it but also not to report millions of | false positives seems like a very high bar. | | It's pretty creepy if we're already at the point where any | random people can trace you online using apparently unrelated | low quality photos. | fsckboy wrote: | i know little about the state of the art in image | recognition, but it strikes me that this could be better | described as facial recognition, and afaik, that does a | pretty good job identifying faces | ineedasername wrote: | We don't know how much effort it took. The searcher could | very well have gone through thousands of images, following | up on hundreds, before zeroing in on this one. Or not-- I'd | certainly like to know more about that part of the process. | fireattack wrote: | Thanks, I didn't read that deep into the comments. | | So he used some face-recognizing engines that just indexes | random images on the Internet? I wonder what it is, since he | didn't name (I assume it's a public tool?). I knew Baidu has | one, for what it's worth [1]. | | [1] https://ai.baidu.com/tech/face/search (in Chinese) | draugadrotten wrote: | It seems so. He writes "They use facial recognition to find | faces instead of google image search which is just | comparing the similarities of the different pixels." | | https://www.reddit.com/r/FindSatoshi/comments/kktjhc/found_ | s... | oefrha wrote: | I took a look at [1], seems to require bringing your own | training set, and hosting one with a huge set of random | Internet images would presumably be prohibitively | expensive. | fireattack wrote: | Maybe I linked the wrong page, but I have used its API | before, it does have a built-in database even with all | the names of celebrities marked already. | | It used to have a free trial on web too, but it's gone | now. | _puk wrote: | From a comment further down that thread: | | "heard about the story a year ago, but forgot about it. Then I | remembered and told my family about on Christmas. So I wanted | to check out if this is still unsolved and found this reddit. | I'm currently researching about AI and found a few image | backwards search engines way more powerful then google image | search. It turned out that I found the image of him holding the | beer, when I fed in the card. Just wanted to play around, but | it looks really promising now. ;D" | nojs wrote: | In case others are wondering: | | > Q: Is this related to Bitcoin? | | > A: No. Satoshi Nakamoto is the pseudonym used by the person who | created Bitcoin, but it's not the same Satoshi. | | Weirdly this apparently pre-dates that other Satoshi puzzle by a | few years. | gpvos wrote: | Maybe Nakamoto named themself after this Satoshi. | piracy1 wrote: | I like that idea, because he knew everyone would try to 'Find | Satoshi' | alisonkisk wrote: | It's a normal Japanese given name. | GreenHeuristics wrote: | The first letter of it is the character 'S'. | chmod775 wrote: | No, it's sa | | ;) | TJSomething wrote: | If we're being pedantic, that's not a letter. It's a | mora. Also, we don't know the correct Japanese spelling | of Satoshi Nakamoto, because there like 8 common first | names pronounced Satoshi (Zhe , Wu , Min , Zhi , Cong , | Hui , Xun , and Yu ) and he never wrote his name in | Japanese. | da_big_ghey wrote: | Are they all transliterated as "Satoshi" as well, or just | pronounced that way? I know absolutely nothing about | Japanese, so this may be a stupid question. | moufestaphio wrote: | Chinese characters (In Japan they referred to as Kanji), | are ideographic rather than phonetic. | | This means they represent an idea (or concept?) instead | of a sound. The meaning is completely divorced from the | pronunciation. In Japanese each character usually has at | least two 'readings' for pronunciation onyomi (chinese- | origin reading) and kunyomi (Japanese reading). | | But often have even more than that, and specifically with | peoples names the readings some times feel completely | arbitrary. | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanji#Readings | | Basically, there are multiple ways to get the same | 'sound' from different kanji, or get a different 'sound' | the same kanji. | cyphar wrote: | Same transliteration _because_ they are read the same. | Romaji (Latin characters used to phonetically transcribe | Japanese words -- "Satoshi" in this case) are based on | the phonetics of the word. If two words have the same | pronunciation but different kanji, they'll be transcribed | the same way in romaji. | | This is equally true for hiragana and katakana (the other | two Japanese writing systems, which are phonetic) and all | the names would be written as satoshi in hiragana. | segfaultbuserr wrote: | Many Japanese publications decided to use "Zhe Shi " [0], | but it's only an arbitrary choice. | | [0] https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%B5%E3%83%88%E3%8 | 2%B7%E3... | Natsu wrote: | Or possibly a few other characters... | | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E3%81%95%E3%81%A8%E3%81%9 | 7#J... | eecks wrote: | I only clicked because I thought it was Bitcoin related. Even | though it predates Bitcoin, I assume the popularity is given by | Bitcoin's current media coverage. | lolbrels wrote: | There was a somewhat viral video which included a lady | explaining the search in detail which is more likely where | the recent popularity stems from. | chippy wrote: | It's worth highlighting that, back in 2006, social media was very | new and most people didn't have any social media profiles. Both | Twitter and Facebook was only launched that year. Only a handful | of people had mobile phones with internet. Both the amount of | photos of people were low, and also the avenues people could take | to find others were narrow and few. | | I played PerplexCity back then and engaged with the hunt for this | puzzle amongst others (e.g the cube!). For my part, it was mainly | word of mouth with Japanese friends or colleagues over the years | until I forgot about it. Occasionally every few years something | happened to get people interested in this puzzle. I believe | community members put up a reward for solving this. | | Just as back then the web resources were few, those that were | created have mostly disappeared. Wikis, a few hugely active | forums, chat rooms etc all individual websites all lost. | | I've been wondering whether its possible to have Alternate | Reality Games in today's mobile phone and social media land. | chippy wrote: | https://web.archive.org/web/20070629190421/http://www.billio... | there was a reward | cubano wrote: | I can't help wondering when reading this...just how many "free | brain cycles" do people have in the world? | | By "free brain cycles", I mean like one's not used for work and | your family and perhaps one hobby... | | I cannot even imagine how many people worked so hard and used | their cycles to figure this puzzle out, and like I can barely | remember what to buy from the store whenever I go. | | Don't get me wrong, it's a hell of an achievement for everyone | involved, but I just have such a hard time understanding the | absolute motivation behind it. | a_crc wrote: | Well you have to consider that this is the "one hobby" for a | lot of people, so your own division of brain cycles leaves room | for a group who works on things like this for fun. | chippy wrote: | Originally we thought this would be a simple "6 degrees of | separation" puzzle. You and me are connected to each other by | at most six other people. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2020-12-30 23:00 UTC)