[HN Gopher] The Plague Year
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       The Plague Year
        
       Author : jsomers
       Score  : 52 points
       Date   : 2021-01-02 20:09 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
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       | andred14 wrote:
       | Enough with the lies.
       | 
       | This has nothing to do with "COVID".
       | 
       | For example, the Irish government has admitted they have no proof
       | that it even exists:
       | 
       | https://gemmaodoherty.com/defending-our-freedoms/hse-admit-t...
       | 
       | And here, STATISTICS show that in fact the emergency of 2020 is
       | FAKE:
       | 
       | https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-...
       | 
       | You are wasting your time here. Us computer scientists do not buy
       | into your lies...
        
       | paulpauper wrote:
       | this must be the longest article ever. the audio version is 3.5
       | hours, or about one LOTR movie
       | 
       | TBH, I don't think it matters that much. The virus is a serious
       | situation but the stock market is acting like the worst is long
       | over. I know the stock market is not the economy , but I think it
       | is no longer a catastrophe but rather more like a wildfire. It
       | could have been a far worse situation if the IFR was 2-4% as
       | originally feared back in Feb-March. Then we would probably be
       | seeing the S&P 500 about 50-70% lower than it is now, cuz when
       | you got airborne cancer, that is not exactly something you can
       | patch over by throwing stimulus money at it. Now it's more like a
       | bad flu in terms of IFR for middle-aged people, but worse though
       | for elderly, so I don't want to dismiss that. But it could have
       | bene sooo much worse, and we were spared that.
        
       | Exmoor wrote:
       | For what its worth, this article is the best thing I've read on
       | the pandemic in the USA in the last year and I'm glad it finally
       | hit the front page. It's incredibly long, but I found the part
       | 25% or so that focused on the USA's early failures at detecting
       | the virus most enlightening and horrifying. I'd suggest reading
       | at least that part.
       | 
       | In case you hit the paywall: https://archive.md/on1X2
        
       | tomohawk wrote:
       | > The first occurred on January 3, 2020, when Robert Redfield,
       | the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,
       | spoke with George Fu Gao, the head of the Chinese Center for
       | Disease Control and Prevention
       | 
       | By this time, Taiwan had already started quarantining travelers
       | from China (starting Dec 31). They were bitten by the lack of
       | transparency and paranoia of the China government with SARS in
       | 2003, so had developed a focus on outbreaks in China so as not to
       | be caught unawares again.
       | 
       | The US CDC failed to learn from SARS and we're paying the price
       | now. No one should trust that China will be forthcoming and
       | transparent about these matters. The CDC needs to learn to
       | "trust, but verify". They didn't verify, and they trusted a
       | source with a long history of not being truthful or timely in
       | divulging information.
       | 
       | Also, by this time, Dr Li had been hauled down to the police
       | station and forced to recant his warning that this was human
       | transmissible. So, the wheels of CCP governance were already
       | grinding the truth under foot.
        
       | thepangolino wrote:
       | "plague"
       | 
       | Diarrhea probably ended up killing more people than SARS-CoV-2 in
       | 2020.
        
         | paulpauper wrote:
         | Ageing probably will kill more people. But the problem is
         | phycological. People tend to not fear things they think they
         | can prevent through willpower. For people in developed
         | countries, diarrhea deaths are preventable... airborne viruses,
         | not so much.
        
         | ianlevesque wrote:
         | In the United States 50,000 more people died of COVID-19
         | directly in 2020 than died in World War 2. I don't get these
         | comments.
        
           | leereeves wrote:
           | I'm sure thepangolino was talking about deaths worldwide, and
           | it's probably true.
           | 
           | "Diarrhea kills 2,195 children every day--more than AIDS,
           | malaria, and measles combined."[1]
           | 
           | "In 2016, diarrhoea was the eighth leading cause of death
           | among all ages (1 655 944 deaths, 95% uncertainty interval
           | [UI] 1 244 073-2 366 552)"[2]
           | 
           | 1: https://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/global/diarrhea-
           | burden.html
           | 
           | 2: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473
           | -3...
        
           | thepangolino wrote:
           | World population was also much smaller.
           | 
           | The Spanish flu killed 50 million people. That's 5% of the
           | word population at the time. Now 50 million would barley be
           | over half a percent.
        
       | rgovostes wrote:
       | For subscribers to the print edition, this article spans 40 pages
       | and space in the issue is dedicated to little else. I haven't
       | worked through the entire thing yet to decide if this is due to
       | the gravity of the reporting or is typical of an end-of-year
       | slowdown at the publisher.
        
         | pdar4123 wrote:
         | Read it, listen to it, share it, discuss it. This is one of the
         | most important pieces of journalism in American history.
        
         | zeofig wrote:
         | 40 pages! That's intriguingly long. There's also a nice audio
         | version.
        
           | rgovostes wrote:
           | Yes, if you have 3.5 hours to spare!
        
         | andirk wrote:
         | Give us the 5 paragraph essay summary! Although 2021 will also
         | be the plague year.
        
           | Exmoor wrote:
           | I know you're mostly joking, but here were some of the
           | takeaways I took from the article:
           | 
           | * China lied about the virus. They banned investigators from
           | outside the country and tried to cover everything up. Experts
           | knew they'd lied previously about SARS, but rather than
           | assuming the worst they more or less assumed it probably
           | wouldn't be a big deal.
           | 
           | * The FDA _completely_ dropped the ball on testing kits and
           | it took an incredibly long time to resolve the issue. Its
           | unclear that people in power even realized this. Back in
           | January and February when we were hearing about a case here,
           | a case there there was almost certainly rampant community
           | transmission and death occurring.
           | 
           | * CDC leaders were very slow to consider that the virus might
           | transmit through the air. This led to the early advice being
           | misguided (6ft of distancing and washing your hands protects
           | you) and just flat out wrong (wearing a mask does nothing).
           | 
           | * Inside the executive branch, people who gave bad news were
           | forced out and people who gave good news got promoted.
           | Predictably this made things much, much worse.
        
         | IfOnlyYouKnew wrote:
         | Somebody on Titter mentioned that the initial submission was
         | 7X,000 words, and they cut it down to half that to fit within a
         | single issue.
        
         | teeray wrote:
         | While I get that some folks like The New Yorker's long-form
         | content, I would greatly appreciate a Cliff Notes version of
         | many of their articles.
        
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