[HN Gopher] St. Benedict's Rule for Monasteries (516)
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       St. Benedict's Rule for Monasteries (516)
        
       Author : simonebrunozzi
       Score  : 64 points
       Date   : 2021-01-10 14:50 UTC (8 hours ago)
        
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       | diegoholiveira wrote:
       | Those rules help the Church preserve the ancient knowledge until
       | Gutenberg. As a Catholic, I'm devout of St. Benedict because the
       | creation of monasteries have a huge impact of the human
       | knowledge.
        
       | hawktheslayer wrote:
       | Interesting to see this on the front page! I spent a year in a
       | monetary mostly cloistered. While I'm glad now for the life I
       | ultimately chose of having a family, I often draw from the
       | experience, especially the discernment process (the Ignatius
       | Exercises) and the meditation/contemplation practice.
        
         | christophilus wrote:
         | I spent some time discerning as a Trappist, and now have a
         | family. I've found the lack of silence to be the biggest
         | challenge. How is your prayer life as a parent?
        
         | h2odragon wrote:
         | Say on; first hand experience in this is rare. What did you
         | discover you missed most on returning to "the real world"? was
         | a year enough time?
        
       | jchallis wrote:
       | Atheist fan speaking up for Benedict and his rule. My education
       | was entirely organized by Benedictine nuns who internalized this
       | rule and lived it daily. The focus on the importance of daily
       | discipline made a big impression on me. Like the military, see an
       | organization make short term sacrifices for longer term
       | objectives made a big impression on me and how I spend my time.
       | 
       | Ora et labora.
        
       | selimthegrim wrote:
       | There were all kinds of hacks around this in practice: see
       | https://youtu.be/zz0y1d6IIpY?t=437
        
       | copperwater69 wrote:
       | I can't see anything about celibacy
        
       | trestenhortz wrote:
       | How Boys Are to Be Corrected Mar. 7--July 7--Nov. 6
       | 
       | Every age and degree of understanding should have its proper
       | measure of discipline. With regard to boys and adolescents,
       | therefore, or those who cannot understand the seriousness of the
       | penalty of excommunication, whenever such as these are delinquent
       | let them be subjected to severe fasts or brought to terms by
       | harsh beatings, that they may be cured.
        
       | generationP wrote:
       | > Your IP Address in Germany is Blocked from www.gutenberg.org
       | 
       | Of course, copyright trolls :)
       | 
       | Workaround:
       | https://web.archive.org/web/20180911045657/https://www.guten...
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       | (Welcome to 2021, the year Silicon Valley went Catholic...)
        
         | zokier wrote:
         | http://archive.osb.org/rb/text/toc.html
         | 
         | Alternative link, possibly bit different from gutenberg
         | edition, but should be still the same translation
        
         | zinekeller wrote:
         | Info for those outside of Germany:
         | https://cand.pglaf.org/germany/index.html
        
           | sharpneli wrote:
           | Whoa. They basically claim jurisdiction on any content based
           | on the language it's in.
        
       | jawns wrote:
       | "We read, it is true, that wine is by no means a drink for monks;
       | but since the monks of our day cannot be persuaded of this, let
       | us at least agree to drink sparingly and not to satiety, because
       | 'wine makes even the wise fall away.'"
       | 
       | I'm a Catholic, and this is the rule that amuses me the most.
       | 
       | The monks were willing to give up most material possessions and
       | submit to a life of poverty, obedience, and sexual abstinence...
       | but the one thing they couldn't be persuaded to give up was the
       | hooch.
        
         | tenpies wrote:
         | I always considered it more of a reflection on practicality.
         | There is going to be wine around the monastery, if only because
         | it is necessary for Mass. Therefore, you cannot really ban
         | wine, so are you really going to dedicate a group of monks to
         | the sole task of cellar guard duty?
        
           | aksss wrote:
           | While reading about Jesus drinking wine. :) I think the
           | compromise is practical and also in line with the advice of
           | the apostles. Nothing wrong with drinking, but drunkenness is
           | a risk in many ways.
        
         | jonah wrote:
         | I've always liked Catholic writer G.K. Chesterton's take:
         | 
         | "Drink because you are happy, but never because you are
         | miserable. Never drink when you are wretched without it, or you
         | will be like the grey-faced gin-drinker in the slum; but drink
         | when you would be happy without it, and you will be like the
         | laughing peasant of Italy. Never drink because you need it, for
         | this is rational drinking, and the way to death and hell. But
         | drink because you do not need it, for this is irrational
         | drinking, and the ancient health of the world."
        
         | analog31 wrote:
         | I'm sure it depended on geography and time period, but I've
         | read that it wasn't always possible to drink water due to
         | cholera. There may have been a necessity of mixing in at least
         | some wine with the water, to disinfect it. Some have gone so
         | far as to suggest that the arrival of tea from China, which
         | required boiling the water, resulted in a bit of an
         | intellectual boost in Europe.
         | 
         | There were many monasteries where beer and wine making were
         | part of their business model.
        
       | aaron-santos wrote:
       | What I find more interesting than the rules themselves is in
       | which ways were they broken. With any system of rules (and the
       | more complex the better), there are bound to be omissions or
       | conflicts which result in gray areas or loop holes.
       | 
       | While some monasteries were strict regardless, others pushed the
       | boundaries. Relating to "CHAPTER 39 On the Measure of Food" for
       | example, monk's meals were supposed to "have two cooked dishes".
       | On the other hand, monks could accept gifts from the abbot "And
       | it shall be in the Abbot's power to decide to whom it shall be
       | given". Naturally in some refectories, the abbot would receive
       | dishes which he would then direct to other tables thus skirting
       | the two dishes rule.
       | 
       | If you're interested in this and more, Max Miller's Medieval Rule
       | Breakers[1] episode has many more examples
       | 
       | [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz0y1d6IIpY
       | 
       | Edit: It seems as selimthegrim has beaten me to the punch with
       | the link
        
         | mjh2539 wrote:
         | The rule was advisory in any case; there are multiple points at
         | which St. Benedict advises that the abbot modify things if they
         | had a better way of doing things; the rule of St. Benedict
         | itself is based on several rules that predate it (which are
         | obviously not identical to it).
        
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