[HN Gopher] Berlin car sharing startup Miles demands EUR13k from...
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       Berlin car sharing startup Miles demands EUR13k from customer whose
       car was stolen
        
       Author : camillomiller
       Score  : 41 points
       Date   : 2021-01-13 22:08 UTC (51 minutes ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.mobilegeeks.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.mobilegeeks.com)
        
       | jarym wrote:
       | Startup must be... cash strapped and just discovered their own
       | insurers refused to cover the claim?
        
         | camillomiller wrote:
         | Sounds very probable. Last investment was a 5m round led by
         | Lukas Gadowski back in late 2019. Talk of the town is that
         | they've already been kept alive multiple times by cash
         | injections as private loans. Still, they're alive enough to
         | mess their customers life and impose lawyers fees on them.
        
       | jonplackett wrote:
       | Why isn't the car insured anyway?
        
         | camillomiller wrote:
         | If you're an insurer, and you find out your client has never
         | implemented basic safety measures that have been industry
         | standard for 30 years (i.e. an immobilizer), I guess denying
         | the claim takes probably minutes.
        
       | mkl95 wrote:
       | That headline sums up the European startup scene (I say this
       | having worked for a shady German startup myself, that has owed me
       | and other former employees money for ages)
        
         | gregoriol wrote:
         | What do you mean exactly?
        
           | mkl95 wrote:
           | Working for a small European startup sucks. The company will
           | ALWAYS find a way to shift the blame when something like this
           | happens, not to mention every EU startup I've worked for gets
           | away with late payments and shady financial moves (the worst
           | offender was a German company I worked for early in my
           | career).
        
             | viraptor wrote:
             | > Working for a small European startup sucks. The company
             | will ALWAYS find a way to shift the blame
             | 
             | Start-ups across ~50 countries? Always doing the same
             | thing? I think you may be generalising quite a bit... It's
             | not like an SV company would ever shift blame on the
             | customer, right? :-)
        
             | HatchedLake721 wrote:
             | Yes, "European Startup" is one big homogenous thing, and
             | not 30+ countries and half a billion people in population.
        
         | dsnr wrote:
         | German companies have a reputation for not giving a shit about
         | customers and customer support is virtually non-existent. For
         | example you are quite often required to cancel your online
         | subscriptions by letters sent by post 1-3 months in advance.
        
           | Slikey wrote:
           | 3 months in advance is the legal limit, it's great. We also
           | love our contract bindings for 2 years. Cunsumer friendliness
           | here is heresy.
        
             | snicksnak wrote:
             | It's so bad, there are even companies that handle
             | cancelations by mail for you. You enter your contract
             | details on their website, they print it and send it by
             | registered mail.
        
       | orange_tee wrote:
       | Why is a car for hire company called a startup?
        
         | onion2k wrote:
         | They have an app.
        
           | camillomiller wrote:
           | *They have a React Native contraption struggling to scroll on
           | an iPhone 12 Pro Max. Fixed that for you. :)
        
           | orange_tee wrote:
           | I know it's a joke, but so do other car for hire companies.
           | Ex: https://www.europcar.com/europcar-mobile
        
             | camillomiller wrote:
             | Miles claims to be a startup in shared-mobility whose
             | mission is to bring transparency to the market. It's not a
             | joke, it's on their website.
        
           | ahartmetz wrote:
           | The standards for "startups" in Germany are reeeally low.
           | Most of them seem to get founded with the motivation "I want
           | to be the boss of a startup and / or get rich quick", not "I
           | want to do something well".
        
         | jrochkind1 wrote:
         | I dunno, why was WeWork? Why is anything?
        
         | cinntaile wrote:
         | Because they have a cool app that you use to unlock the car
         | with. That makes them a hip new company or in other words a
         | startup.
        
           | camillomiller wrote:
           | The app is not even cool. Is a React Native contraption
           | developed externally. They switched to it last summer,
           | exactly around the time when most of the vehicles got stolen,
           | by the way. Before that they were using a different app
           | connected to a white label solution provided by
           | WunderMobility.
        
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       | pkaye wrote:
       | Shouldn't their name be in metric units?
        
       | OneGuy123 wrote:
       | How can you be so bad at PR & Customer Support in 2021?
       | 
       | The person in charge of this should really go on Facebook every
       | once in a while to see what can happen...
        
         | camillomiller wrote:
         | The don't have any PR person, so I guess their thought process
         | is "if we don't have a PR person, we won't have PR problems".
        
       | camillomiller wrote:
       | Here's a tale of how you don't run a mobility startup, unless you
       | don't care about the safety of your customers and your public
       | image.
       | 
       | Berlin car sharing startup Miles is demanding thousands of Euros
       | from customers whose car was stolen, claiming that damages caused
       | by thieves while driving the vehicles should be covered by their
       | users.
       | 
       | Turns out, Miles has always been leasing their entire car fleet,
       | while renting it through a white-label platform they had no
       | control over at least until recently. As a result, they failed to
       | implement basic industry-standard safety mechanism, such as an
       | immobilizer, that all of their competitors have been using for
       | years. This, despite their telematics providers all offer the
       | immobilizer as a feature.
       | 
       | In one case they're threatening to sue a customer for 13,000EUR,
       | during a pandemic. The customer is a bar owner, and faces
       | bankruptcy as a result. In that specific case, Miles Mobility
       | admitted that the car could be opened and turned on hours after
       | the user had ended the rent.
       | 
       | Edit, to add some elements:
       | 
       | - don't miss the part about how customer support suggested not to
       | call the police. Twice.
       | 
       | - it's totally unclear how they are not covered by their
       | insurance, and how can their investors be fine with all this
       | (lead investor is Lukasz Gadowski of Delivery Hero fame, and
       | TeamEurope Ventures founder).
        
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