[HN Gopher] A Nepali team has made the first winter ascent of K2
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       A Nepali team has made the first winter ascent of K2
        
       Author : eigenvector
       Score  : 92 points
       Date   : 2021-01-16 18:29 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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       | Xenoamorphous wrote:
       | Just today we got the news here in Spain that a spanish alpinist,
       | Sergi Mingote, died while descending from K2. There were multiple
       | teams attempting this, then?
        
         | remus wrote:
         | I believe so. As I understand it (this is all third hand so
         | take it with a pinch of salt) there are other teams who are
         | waiting for another weather window to make an attempt.
        
         | schwax wrote:
         | https://www.alanarnette.com/blog/2021/01/16/winter-k2-update...
         | 
         | > There are around 20 climbers aspiring to summit, and claim a
         | winter K2 summit. Some have acclimatized to Camp 3 but most
         | have only reached Camp 1. Some will end their effort based on
         | today's first summit, and citing rockfall danger, others will
         | still retain their motivation. We'll see what the final K2
         | winter 2020/21 total is in a few weeks.
        
       | sebmellen wrote:
       | I've always wondered why we don't see sherpas holding all the
       | climbing records, given how much better adapted they are to their
       | environments than most other mountaineers. Maybe this is the
       | beginning of a new trend! The sentiment is at least echoed in the
       | article:
       | 
       | > _In the 2015 newswire, Green quoted Dawa Gyalje Sherpa: "We are
       | hoping as young climbers, to take climbing in Nepal to a new
       | level. All of us have climbed much bigger mountains but always
       | with foreign climbers. We want to show that we are not just
       | porters on the mountain, climbing only for our livelihood, but we
       | are interested in climbing because we enjoy it, too.... We are
       | the young generation of Sherpa climbers but we are looking to the
       | future of Nepal and Sherpas also."_
        
         | iamaaditya wrote:
         | I believe there is some form of memory bias or bias in
         | reporting by the media. If you look at the record books, you
         | will find that most records are held by Sherpas. For example,
         | more than 70 records for Mount Everest is held my Sherpas (or
         | other Nepalese climbers) [1], far more than climbers from any
         | other country.
         | 
         | Apa Sherpa, one of the most prolific Sherpas, holds many
         | records [2]. Interesting fact he was Sherpa to Peter Hillary
         | (Edmund's son).
         | 
         | [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mount_Everest_records
         | [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apa_Sherpa
        
         | PopeDotNinja wrote:
         | It's been said that history is written by the winners. I guess
         | you could also say history is written by the people who pay for
         | it.
        
         | krallistic wrote:
         | Its nice to see Nepal with this first winter books finally in
         | the history books. They done so much for mountaineering.
        
         | sonalr wrote:
         | Somewhat related, highly recommend this documentary. It really
         | shows the untold story of how hard of a life it is for a porter
         | in the Everest region of Nepal. This is such a great story, and
         | very well done by Nathaniel Menninger.
         | https://youtu.be/MxAU4wWG2Hs
        
         | intrepidhero wrote:
         | Sherpas were on all the big western expeditions that I know of.
         | Their names are just usually dropped when talking about it,
         | which is a shame. I recently read Krakauer's Into Thin Air and
         | appreciated that he treated the sherpas on the expedition as
         | fellow humans. They figured as important as anyone else in the
         | story. He was also careful when talking about past climbs to
         | mention all the climbers, sherpa and otherwise.
         | 
         | Very interesting book for me. I knew (know?) very little about
         | mountaineering.
        
           | sebmellen wrote:
           | That's very nice to hear, and I'll check the book out.
           | 
           | While on a cruise ship last July (well, 2019) I made friends
           | with a Nepalese security screw and we talked about Nepal and
           | their family occupations. It's very sad to hear of how
           | disposably sherpas are treated on the vanity tours by
           | unskilled foreign climbers. Basically the sherpas end up
           | dragging along their clients and they face outsized risk on
           | the way.
        
           | strstr wrote:
           | For a long time, both Tenzing Norgay and Edmund Hillary
           | evaded the question of who summitted Everest first. They
           | reached the top as a team.
           | 
           | Most of the "forgetting" seems to happen when it comes to
           | communicating about larger, less notable expeditions.
        
             | Someone wrote:
             | Larger? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_British_Mount_Ev
             | erest_exp...:
             | 
             |  _"The mountaineers were accompanied [...] by 362 porters,
             | so that the expedition in the end amounted to over four
             | hundred men, including twenty Sherpa guides from Tibet and
             | Nepal, with a total weight of ten thousand pounds of
             | baggage"_
             | 
             | I don't know the details of that expedition, but typically,
             | the sherpas make multiple trips up and down the mountain to
             | bring the necessary material up to height, so that those
             | paying can relatively comfortably acclimatize at height.
             | Climbing Everest almost always is a team effort.
             | 
             | Even if you ignore those porters , those _"twenty Sherpa
             | guides from Tibet and Nepal"_ , IMO, deserve to be
             | mentioned there more than Jan Morris, who didn't make it
             | further up the mountain than 22,000 feet
             | (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Morris).
             | 
             | (and aside: ten thousand pounds of baggage seems very low
             | to me. That's less than 30 pounds per porter = I guess
             | that's what made it to the highest camp)
        
           | bitL wrote:
           | And yet Krakauer had no issues throwing a guy, who tried to
           | save some of the members of his team, under the bus when
           | Krakauer messed up, and turned a hero into a villain.
        
             | ceocoder wrote:
             | Jon Krakauer has responded to Anatoli Boukreev here[0], it
             | seems as like most things in life, there is more nuance
             | this than just hero villain dichotomy.
             | 
             | [0] https://medium.com/galleys/a-postscript-to-into-thin-
             | air-e23...
        
           | ignoramous wrote:
           | For K2, it is usually the Pakistani porters from Gilgit-
           | Baltistan: https://www.wionews.com/south-asia/pakistani-
           | porters-the-uns...
           | 
           | > _Their names are just usually dropped when talking about
           | it, which is a shame._
           | 
           | Reminds me of Amir Mehdi's story:
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amir_Mehdi#K2_(1954)
        
         | jariel wrote:
         | They may be culturally and physically acclimatized to mountains
         | in every way, but not likely to the notion of
         | 'mountaineering/climbing' in the romantic sense.
         | 
         | After all it serves no purpose, requires development of new
         | tech, money etc..
         | 
         | I don't think anyone doubts they couldn't have done it long ago
         | were some local ruler to have made it a priority.
         | 
         | I wonder if they thought the original European 'explorers' to
         | be completely mad.
         | 
         | So that leaves the question: the mountains were 'right there'
         | and they had innate ability, so why didn't they 'just do it',
         | and have the routes all mapped out for centuries already? Is I
         | think the rhetorical question that unpacks a lot of things.
        
           | sebmellen wrote:
           | That is an interesting question. I think the most obvious
           | answer is that exploration is predicated on a certain level
           | of technological advancement, below which it is completely
           | unreasonable. If you don't have a food surplus and some
           | academic establishment and governance and trade routes,
           | exploration is an unreasonable vanity project. _Guns, Germs,
           | and Steel_ grazes this topic.
           | 
           | As Nepal develops further, I expect to see more of these
           | sorts of headlines.
        
             | beerandt wrote:
             | Let's not dismiss nation-state exploration with having an
             | overly indulgent hobby.
             | 
             | Establishing and mapping boundaries, demonstrating military
             | abilities, and even finding/protecting the trade routes you
             | speak of, all required exploration on a large scale.
             | 
             | Not to mention things like establishing trade and a
             | friendly presence with locals, establishing surveillance
             | posts, and my personal favorite, surveying the geoid, as a
             | means to better ICBM guidance.
             | 
             | Military always makes reason, and I suspect that might also
             | be at play in Nepal.
        
             | spanktheuser wrote:
             | It's also predicated on the existence of an economy which
             | provides ample leisure for some while others labor
             | ceaselessly at the edges of poverty. There's a reason the
             | Indian sub-continent lacked a food surplus, academic
             | establishments, strong governance etc. Great Britain looted
             | an estimated $45 billion from its Indian colonies during
             | the 173 years of its rule.
        
       | vijaykcm wrote:
       | There was a post on it earlier:
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25803599.
        
       | PopeDotNinja wrote:
       | I'm an American, and I visited Pakistan on a whim back in
       | September. I was able to spend a few days in the north. I can
       | only say the north of Pakistan is incredible. There's nothing
       | that prepares you for seeing 8000+ meter mountains for the first
       | time.
       | 
       | There's no shortage of people offering tours, but I made my own
       | plans. I rented a Toyota Hilux 4x4 for 4 days at $50/day, and
       | they insisted I hire a driver because they didn't trust me to
       | drive solo (which in retrospect was wise of them because of
       | language barriers, road conditions, police/military checkpoints,
       | etc.). The driver quoted me a rate of $3/day (not a typo). I
       | drove from Islamabad to Hunza and back in 3 days (I could only
       | get one day off work, lol). It was way too much driving, but the
       | trip was still incredible.
       | 
       | To make the trip extra fun, I had the worst case of food
       | poisoning w/ diarrhea that I've ever had for the entire time. I
       | developed that the night before I was scheduled to drive off. So
       | in the morning I picked up some Imodium and baby wipes, and just
       | stopped every hour or two. I somehow managed to avoid shitting in
       | my pants, but I don't know how. Nearly every bathroom in
       | Pakistan, which might just be a hole in the ground, has a
       | handheld bidet, which is a power washer for your backside. No
       | matter how messy it got, I also walked away from a pit stop with
       | a fresh backside.
       | 
       | Here's some pictures of the traveling, sans pit stops...
       | 
       | https://photos.app.goo.gl/tZ3scbSFbPbxQCpG7
        
         | TCS_ wrote:
         | That poor driver...
         | 
         | +1 for those pictures! Incredible scenery
        
           | PopeDotNinja wrote:
           | I gave him a really nice tip :)
        
         | latchkey wrote:
         | Sounds like an epic adventure, right before everything went
         | nuts!
         | 
         | In SE Asia, we call it a "bum gun". Cannot live without it and
         | you won't use TP ever again. Easy to order off Amazon.
        
         | ericjang wrote:
         | Thank you for sharing the photos ! Some of the poses are pretty
         | funny :)
        
         | jrumbut wrote:
         | Driving tours like that are an amazing way to travel. It takes
         | away that feeling of needing to jam in as many things as
         | possible and you can just live and take in the sights for a
         | while.
        
       | SubiculumCode wrote:
       | We need to start living on Mars, if only to give climbers new
       | mountains to climb.
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mountains_on_Mars_by_h...
        
         | wbl wrote:
         | Olympus Mons is an essy climb with life support because it
         | isn't very steep.
        
           | Synaesthesia wrote:
           | Olympus Mons is almost the size of France and is 21 km high.
           | Gentle slope but still, quite a hike.
        
             | SubiculumCode wrote:
             | Interesting, but how Texas turned into France has to be the
             | bigger story ;)
        
           | SubiculumCode wrote:
           | that said. I'd put it on my cv.
        
         | NickNameNick wrote:
         | I think it's going to be a while before we see
         | 
         | "First ascent of Olympus Mons without supplemental oxygen"
        
       | Syzygies wrote:
       | I met Charles Houston, leader of the first two American
       | expeditions on K2. He approached me to have me explain the
       | mathematics of card shuffling, and I traded an hour listening to
       | him explain the medicine of altitude sickness (which helped me
       | later on some modest climbs).
       | 
       | He was on the wrong end of "The Belay" on the second climb, but
       | survived.
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Snead_Houston
        
       | Ayesh wrote:
       | I follow @nimsdai on Instagram, he took the initiative for this.
       | Very nice content if you like that sort of content.
       | 
       | He (and I'm sure the others are too) are some real-life super
       | humans!
        
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