[HN Gopher] Google Images Restored
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       Google Images Restored
        
       Author : alphabet9000
       Score  : 105 points
       Date   : 2021-01-16 19:16 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (github.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (github.com)
        
       | tiagod wrote:
       | Great work. It's usable again, finally.
        
       | a2tech wrote:
       | Is there something similar for safari?
        
       | gchokov wrote:
       | Someone in Google's UX and Design department, really needs go out
       | and breathe some fresh air. Is it only me, who dislikes 95% of
       | the design decision of Google products in the recent years?
        
         | clintonc wrote:
         | The main changes this extension addresses were made because of
         | a settlement with Getty Images.
         | 
         | https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/02/internet-rages-after...
        
           | Lammy wrote:
           | The worst part of the settlement isn't even the UI changes
           | but how the image search results now seem to favor showing
           | Youtube video frames above showing regular images from non-
           | Google websites.
           | 
           | I guess they get to pass the buck to the video uploaders who
           | have asserted (truthfully or not) that they have a right to
           | upload whatever they're uploading and that they "grant to
           | YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free,
           | sublicensable and transferable license to use that Content
           | (including to reproduce, distribute, prepare derivative
           | works, display and perform it) in connection with the Service
           | and YouTube's (and its successors' and Affiliates') business"
        
         | fuzzy2 wrote:
         | They're in good company though. UI/UX in general is going to
         | hell. Not just in $big_corp, but nearly everywhere.
         | 
         | I think that's mainly because we have UI/UX as a dedicated
         | function now. It's a job that seems to attract people that
         | don't know how software _works_. This results in "uncanny" UX
         | that looks similar enough but just doesn't work the way it
         | should.
         | 
         | Maybe I'm just getting old though!
        
           | 101008 wrote:
           | I am interested in your point of view. Care to expand?
        
             | _underfl0w_ wrote:
             | I'm not the parent poster but I see where they're coming
             | from - form used to purely _follow_ function in computer
             | UI/UX (as in most engineering fields) but now it's been
             | delegated to "creatives" who, by virtue of their skill set,
             | put form first.
             | 
             | Overall "betterness" is subjective, but speaking as someone
             | who uses a computer as a _tool_ I can honestly say I 'd
             | prefer it to function pragmatically than look pretty, if
             | the prettiness requires sacrificing of pragmatism in some
             | way.
        
               | NoSorryCannot wrote:
               | I'm not sure I see any reason to expect or believe that
               | engineers would make good ui/ux decisions. It's not clear
               | to me that choices that are simple for engineering are
               | necessarily even aligned with ultimately being
               | functional.
               | 
               | A good ui/ux specialist will be interested in reducing
               | error rates and improving ease of discovery and use
               | through affordances and good organization of information
               | and actions. Obviously other business interest may
               | conflict with those goals but those same interests are
               | capable of corrupting engineering as well.
               | 
               | And I don't think ui/ux work is as recent as this is all
               | making it sound. Perhaps it is more common now even for
               | orgs where their bread and butter isn't software but
               | ultimately making tools useful and safe and accessible
               | predates software entirely.
        
         | catillac wrote:
         | I am a designer and my opinion is that they're micro optimizing
         | with A/B testing to such a degree that they miss other
         | significantly different paths that would be better overall.
        
           | grenoire wrote:
           | It really does seem a local/global maxima problem with the
           | way they're trying to improve. I think they've been locking
           | themselves into the local maxima, and at their scale it's
           | probably really hard to expand the search beyond what's 'safe
           | and known.'
        
         | toper-centage wrote:
         | Google is data driven and AB tests the hell out of their
         | features, so I would assume these changes make them money
         | somehow. Your personal preferences or anyone else's is merely a
         | very small data point in their design process.
        
           | thotsBgone wrote:
           | Yes, companies are profit-driven always. Not customer-
           | satisfaction driven, unless that's what will bring them the
           | most profit (especially true for newer, smaller companies).
           | 
           | This makes me wonder if there is some structure similar to a
           | corporation which would maximise something besides profit,
           | without either being out-competed by a corporation or turning
           | into one.
        
             | ghaff wrote:
             | Competition ("out-compete") implies competition on some
             | metric such as profitability. So, if that's the metric,
             | then they'll be profit-driven. Of course, profitability can
             | be optimized for over different time horizons--even if
             | speculatively. For public companies, time horizons tend to
             | be relatively short, or at least quarter-to-quarter
             | profitability is important.
             | 
             | A private company, however structured, can define out-
             | competing however its owners want to so long as it can pay
             | its bills and employees.
        
           | fbelzile wrote:
           | I wish it was money they optimized for. It's probably
           | engagement or some other obscure marketing metric.
           | 
           | The problem with that is if they introduce a bug that
           | requires you to refresh the page more often. All they'd see
           | is an up-tick in "engagement" and keep the change with the
           | bug. I think it happened to me with Facebook page
           | notifications and not being able to clear them properly, at
           | least on Firefox...
        
           | michaelmrose wrote:
           | Doctors used to believe that basic hygiene was unnecessary
           | despite having enough information in theory to figure out
           | this wasn't so.
           | 
           | The presumption that someone in theory has access to lots of
           | information and therefore is making the best or even good
           | decisions on some dimensions by virtue of the their access to
           | data is poorly considered. It is entirely possible to be
           | smart and possessed of good data and still use it poorly.
           | People are flawed so companies made of of people are also
           | flawed.
           | 
           | Google image search is a poor product not worth using
           | compared to bing.
        
         | Triv888 wrote:
         | The only thing that I like about gmail.com is the search
         | feature and the fact that most of my accounts are tied to it.
         | But I use Thunderbird for getting my emails...
        
         | kungito wrote:
         | I'm pretty sure that the big corps are changing the design
         | based on some toxic metrics where they don't really care if we,
         | a small demographic of power users, get annoyed all the time
        
           | userbinator wrote:
           | "Not everything that counts can be counted, and not
           | everything that can be counted, counts."
        
       | 6357357457 wrote:
       | Just use the Yandex image search.
       | 
       | Yandex hasn't yet removed or crippled its face recognition-
       | enhanced image similarity search capability like Google and Bing
       | did (probably because women complained that it turned up their
       | old nudes/ludes), and Yandex doesn't exhibit bizarre racial
       | biases like this:
       | 
       | https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/76372135/
       | 
       | Sad that Americans have to use a Russian search engine to get
       | away from Google/Bing censorship, bias, and politicization.
        
       | zkmon wrote:
       | Forget UX, the image search itself _doesn't_ work. Search for
       | some known person's name. 90% of the image results will be from
       | the side bars on LinkedIn page of that person, which have no
       | relation to the search key words.
        
       | flokie wrote:
       | This including no results from Pinterest is a great combo
        
       | michaelmrose wrote:
       | I really like this in theory but if an adware company someday
       | buys your addon I could be compromised. It's easier to use bing
       | image search which has been better than google for images for a
       | while now.
        
         | _underfl0w_ wrote:
         | TFA is a github page, friend. If you truly care about
         | compromise as stated, just build the add-on from source. No
         | reason to point to nonexistent future threat vectors.
        
           | michaelmrose wrote:
           | Do you remember Stylish? It was a very popular firefox/chrome
           | addon with 2 million users which was sold to an ad company
           | that started using it to siphon off users data.
           | 
           | https://arstechnica.com/information-
           | technology/2018/07/styli...
           | 
           | The threat isn't nonexistent and having the source doesn't
           | help as much as you might imagine. Most people can't read the
           | source in any meaningful way and those that can might still
           | trivially miss something malicious. In practice its only as
           | safe as the meaningful analysis by skilled hands makes it in
           | actuality. Realistically you would be lucky if someone
           | notices several months after it started siphoning off your
           | data and only if its egregious enough to get it kicked off of
           | the extensions store.
        
       | gpmcadam wrote:
       | This is good but what annoys me most about Google lately is that
       | all searches turn out to be product searches instead of images of
       | a thing. Just makes me trust the results less and less.
        
       | meibo wrote:
       | Nice! The current image search is still a great product, with
       | some filters, especially with the "find by image" stuff - this
       | takes it to another level.
       | 
       | Can't fathom how Getty was able to make them remove the "view
       | image" button. Thanks copyright.
        
       | errantspark wrote:
       | Fuck Getty Images. Fuck IP law. Fuck copyright. All that shit
       | needs a massive refactor. I can't bear to think about how much
       | harm has been done to software and human reality in general by
       | lawyers and MBAs seeking to extract the maximum amount of value
       | from things.
       | 
       | I'm glad things like this exist, but so sad that they need to.
       | 
       | EDIT: and as one commenter astutely pointed out, fuck Pintrest
       | too, a perfect example of the hubris of SEO focused trashes with
       | no morals or sense of personal responsibility; degrading the
       | commons for their own gain
        
         | amelius wrote:
         | You forgot to mention Pinterest.
        
         | gkoberger wrote:
         | What's wrong with Getty? They spend a lot of money to take
         | pictures, and other people pay money to use them. How would you
         | change their business model?
         | 
         | EDIT: I hadn't realized that Getty is the reason for the
         | removal of the view image button! I stand by my comment in
         | general, however I do think removing that button is crappy.
        
           | markdown wrote:
           | Getty charges $1000 for public domain photos. Fuck 'em!
           | 
           | EDIT: They also fraudulently claim to own public domain
           | photos and legally threaten people who use them, demanding
           | payment.
        
             | gkoberger wrote:
             | I don't understand your point. If you hate copyright and
             | IP, then you inherently also have to believe Getty should
             | be allowed to take public domain photos (or someone else's
             | photos) and sell them.
        
               | markdown wrote:
               | > If you hate copyright and IP
               | 
               | Are you responding to someone else? Wrong thread? Because
               | I haven't expressed that sentiment here.
               | 
               | > you inherently also have to believe Getty should be
               | allowed to take public domain photos (or someone else's
               | photos) and sell them.
               | 
               | Are you responding to someone else? Wrong thread? Because
               | I never said they shouldn't be allowed to profit off
               | public domain photos.
               | 
               | There is profit, and then there's just fucking people
               | over. $1000 for a photo they didn't take and didn't pay
               | for is just disgusting. All it does is restrict access to
               | historical photos to 99% of the world, allowing only the
               | very rich access to this window into our past.
        
               | matttb wrote:
               | I'd never heard of this before so I searched it and the
               | first result turned up this[0] (see lines 2-4/Exhibit A).
               | Big jump from selling public domain images to seeking out
               | payment for public domain images.
               | 
               | [0]
               | https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3001353/Filed-
               | Com...
        
           | Xelbair wrote:
           | What's worse - instead of fixing their shit, they bloody sue
           | google.
        
       | therealmarv wrote:
       | Just use Yandex Image search. It also has a reverse image
       | functionality and it does not censor as much as Google Images.
        
         | ZoomStop wrote:
         | It also allows for searching by size which of course Google
         | removed with updates but helps greatly when searching for
         | icons, wallpapers, etc.
        
       | ubercow13 wrote:
       | But why that version? It wasn't much different from the current
       | version. I preferred the version before, when the page didn't
       | automatically expand and collapse and scroll around in a
       | disorienting way.
        
       | hartator wrote:
       | At SerpApi, we'll be happy to sponsor this! Reach to me via email
       | julien _at_ serpapi.com.
        
       | kyriakos wrote:
       | Really missed that view image button especially for Pinterest
       | images that are pure spam
        
         | javawizard wrote:
         | That button was removed in response to a lawsuit from Getty:
         | https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/02/internet-rages-after...
        
           | tzfld wrote:
           | Is there anything good done by Getty since its existence?
        
             | kyriakos wrote:
             | They keep buying off smaller stock image platforms as well
             | killing competition
        
           | natch wrote:
           | Would love to see somebody make an image search site that
           | lets you filter all that stuff out. It would be fine with me
           | as a user if it respected no-hotlinking policies too. But the
           | filter could just omit paywalled / registrationwalled sites
           | and those that do trickery like obnoxious watermarks or
           | showing one image to the search crawler and another one to
           | site visitors.
           | 
           | I have nothing against sites trying to make money. But
           | sometimes I want to see just the stuff that is straight out
           | there and isn't wrapped up in dark patterns.
        
         | poisonborz wrote:
         | There were multiple scripts and extensions popping up to
         | restore the feature right after it was removed. Eg.
         | https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/view-image/jpcmhce...
        
         | ffpip wrote:
         | Just right click the image and press 'I'.
        
           | kyriakos wrote:
           | I don't think you get the full size original image
        
             | forgotpwd16 wrote:
             | You are. But wait for the image to load or you'll get the
             | thumbnail.
        
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