[HN Gopher] Show HN: I built an online interactive course that h... ___________________________________________________________________ Show HN: I built an online interactive course that helps you learn vim faster Author : CoffeePython Score : 433 points Date : 2021-01-20 13:46 UTC (9 hours ago) (HTM) web link (www.vim.so) (TXT) w3m dump (www.vim.so) | ehershey wrote: | It would be nice if you at least listed what the exercises are | before asking for money. | geordigeordi wrote: | I agree to a degree. Listing a bit more about Vim itself for | someone that might be coming from a development background but | does not specifically know about Vim and it's benefits could be | good, and maybe what TYPE of exercises will be involved (What | will I be be able to do at the end) - but keeping the exercises | a little secretive is great to keep interest :) | buzzerbetrayed wrote: | Wow, this is incredibly scummy. Basically your logic is, "If | they knew what I was selling, they wouldn't buy my course. | But if they don't know then I might trick a few of them in to | buying something they don't want". | | edit: Note, I realize this isn't OP that I'm replying to. Not | sure if what I wrote makes that clear. | tomwojcik wrote: | Couldn't find it anywhere either. Here is the list from twitter | https://twitter.com/KennethCassel/status/1351916897823059970 | 488pista wrote: | Thanks for this I always used nano or pico because it was easy | and always wanted to use vi but found it really strange like to | exit & save you have to do :w! or something like that. | zappo2938 wrote: | Make it multi player via websockets and a server | rav wrote: | Nice trial exercise on the front page. While trying it out, I | wanted to use the backspace key, which in Vim moves to the last | character on the previous line (when used on the beginning of a | line, that is), but that didn't work - backspace on the start of | the line doesn't seem to move the cursor at all. | | I was pleasantly surprised that cw and D are implemented | correctly though, so props on that! | mr-wendel wrote: | Want to learn vim and make it stick? | | 0. Learn the basic movements and UI interactions. Do NOT use the | arrow keys. Your future self will thank you tremendously. | | 1. Search DuckDuckGo for "vim cheatsheet" and find one that | provides a good summary of commands thats organized to your | liking. | | 2. Print it out and post it somewhere easily accessible to your | working space. | | 3. Each-ish day, review the cheatsheet a bit and pick one one new | kind of command that looks useful. Try to integrate that command | into your workflow throughout the day. It'll be clumsy at first, | but after you do it a few times you'll be surprised at how much | faster this gets. | | Focus on movement and editing first. Take note of sequences that | seem to take a lot of work, as almost guaranteed there is a | faster way you can integrate in later. | | Once you've got a small core built up, do another review and | research more specialized topics: | | - .vimrc, colors, and customization | | - plugins | | - buffers, windows, etc for quick workspace organization | | - macros ... and macros within macros! | | - visual blocks | | - various useful commands for advanced editing (e.g. regex based | find in replace in an entire doc or visual block is epic) | | Give yourself time and try not to be too loud when you have your | first "A ha!" moment when you randomly try a completely new key | combo that you think _should_ work and it actually does exactly | what you hoped. | Tepix wrote: | If you want to internalize the vi cursor keys hjkl a good and fun | way to do it is to play "hunt" (part of the "bsdgames" debian | package, man page at | https://manpages.debian.org/unstable/bsdgames/hunt.6.en.html ). | | Hunt is a text based 2d multiplayer labyrinth deathmatch game. It | even has a unique feature: Labyrinth walls that you can shoot and | that will eventually regrow (sometimes different than before). | varbhat wrote: | Before trying these courses , Please try _vimtutor_ that comes | bundled with vim . After practicing with _vimtutor_ , you can try | these additional courses. | kkoncevicius wrote: | first _vimtutor_ and then _:help user-manual_ | rjvir wrote: | Looks like "vimtutor" is primarily text explaining the hotkeys. | | For me, the bottleneck to picking up vim has not been merely | knowing the hotkeys, but more internalizing the commands and | building muscle memory. | | The interactive game format of this website could possibly | solve that, so it appeals to me. | pksebben wrote: | vimtutor is designed for you to use it regularly to train | muscle memory | baconsteakey wrote: | It says this in the 3rd or 4th paragraph: | | > It is important to remember that this tutor is set up to | teach by use. That means that you need to execute the | commands to learn them properly. If you only read the text, | you will forget the commands! | | And it's free, not 15 USD or whatever this site is charging. | mhaberl wrote: | For anyone wondering, you use it by executing vimtutor in | terminal (not in vim). | | Also, you exit by pressing ESC and then typing :q (hit enter) | libria wrote: | How fitting that the tutorial for vim needs its own pre- | tutorial for exiting. | alfiedotwtf wrote: | Having seen machines that have hundreds of Vim sessions | opened because "system integrators" didn't know how to exit | Vim, it should be the very first thing taught | Izkata wrote: | It's also in the tutor, lesson 1.2 | | But there's actually nothing special about vimtutor here: | all it does is write a temporary file and then open it in | vim. | samstave wrote: | Before replying to your post I upvoted, I had to hit a link | called [REPLY] | CoffeePython wrote: | Yep I'd definitely recommend the same, vimtutor is great. | asciimov wrote: | What does $15 get me? I don't see any listing of the lessons. | | Why is this better than vimtutor? | xalava wrote: | I know that vim is particularly enjoyed. The site looks nice and | I wish you the best luck with this. | | But for beginners, I now recommend micro as a console text editor | (https://github.com/zyedidia/micro). It's a one line install with | all the shortcuts and display that have become a standard across | editors. | patrec wrote: | Does anyone know who had the bright idea to replace vi with | nano as the standard text editor and why this became some sort | of standard? | | I really don't get it. Vi is unintuitive and unfamiliar to unix | newebies, but at some point every even half-competent person on | unix could use it enough to at least do simple config file | changes. Plus, if you took time to learn it properly, you | actually knew a quite capable editor. And the beginner | unfriendliness could presumably have been mostly fixed, without | much cost to existing expert users. For example by defaulting | to some helpful status message how look at help and insert text | (and have cursor keys and Ctrl-S etc. work as "expected" in | insert mode). Or maybe a message "press Ctrl-D to enter newbie | mode" that experienced vimers could just ignore but would | provide CUA style keybindings and modeless editing to everyone | else. | | Instead now everyone has to deal with a new (and for proficient | users really quite worthless) editor with its own set of | completely bizarre keybindings (not emacs, not readline, not | vi, not CUA), but none of the upsides that come with emacs or | vi's idiosyncracies. Ctrl-O to save? WTF? Literally the only | advantage over vi is that it displays some instructions at the | bottom, albeit not in a form any real newbie would understand | at all. | | Nano (and by extension this) feel like the worst of all | possible worlds -- what am I missing? | easton wrote: | The logic I always thought was that if you are working at the | console on a server and dealing with the default $EDITOR, you | most likely are doing some kind of emergency maintenance. In | this scenario, you want to throw the most gentle/easy-to-use | editor at the user to ensure they don't accidentally | overwrite a file or something else because they've been | trying to bring prod back up all night and can't see | straight. | | If you use the box for more than 5 minutes a year, you'll | probably change it to vim or whatever you prefer anyway. | windexh8er wrote: | I think some (maybe vim experts) jumped a bit too quickly to | _vimtutor_. In some regard, I agree. But I tried the initial | exercise on my 8 year old and was impressed, so I purchased to | have access to the rest. I 'd say I'm a sub-par intermediate vim | user - knowing enough to know that I don't know or use the true | power of vim day to day, but have memorized a few "tricks" that | seem to impress basic vim users. Hoping I can leverage this to | break a few bad habits I've gotten into. Nice UI and I think the | pricing is fair. Hopefully the content expands, but even if the | service isn't around more than a few years I feel like the $15 | will have been worth it. Nice work! | | Edit: question for Kenneth - do you plan on expanding the | content? | chapium wrote: | There is no way I'd spend money on this. It looks like every | tutorial on vim, but with a stopwatch. It would be more | compelling if a TOC or summary of lessons were provided. | tyingq wrote: | I do like the idea, but it doesn't seem to support some expected | features. | | Like <esc>:5d doesn't delete line #5. I get "Not an editor | command" | | Edit: Looked into it, and it's using the Ace Editor[1] with vim | key bindings. Which seems like an odd choice for a Vim tutor, | since Ace doesn't really try to be a true Vim workalike. | | [1] https://ace.c9.io/ | gnubison wrote: | Implementing a full vi clone seems like a nightmare -- the | POSIX specification makes me lose hope in humanity :) For | instance, what does :delep parse to? I would never have guessed | that it was the :delete command with the "p" flag (because | :delete p deletes into "p). | tyingq wrote: | There's a WASM port of Vim: https://rhysd.github.io/vim.wasm/ | | You can even do _" <esc>:e tutor"_ to run vimtutor. Also, _" | <esc>:export"_ does an http download of the current buffer | contents. | maddyboo wrote: | /%<cr>qqnxq@q@@@@... | fctorial wrote: | Another useful resource: | | http://vimcasts.org/ | brazzy wrote: | See also https://www.openvim.com/ | _jcrossley wrote: | Enormous vim fan here. I've been toying with the idea of 1:1 | "tutoring" of beginner vim and other Unix tools. If anyone might | be interested in a free 1st lesson, send a DM! | andreilys wrote: | I've started dabbling in Vim and Unix tools. Would love to try | out a first lesson, what's the best way to reach you? No dm | feature on HN unfortunately | billars wrote: | now it is time to brag on how gets the best scores in Vim I think | :) : | | Your average time was 0.32s. Click below to share your time on | twitter and compete with your friends. | julianlam wrote: | /%x | | Perhaps? haha | jimmar wrote: | Yep. Then nxnxnxnxnxnxnxnxnxnx. | _steady wrote: | nice site | | could do with taking out your console.logs | | ```export default function KeyChar(props: any) { | console.log(props); return ( <span className="text-gray-800 bg- | gray-100 text-xl leading-5 py-0.5 px-3 border shadow-md border- | gray-300 rounded-md text-center"> {`${props.keyChar}`} </span> ); | } ``` | CoffeePython wrote: | Hey y'all! | | I built this interactive course after a year of learning vim and | finding it to be extremely useful in my day to day development | experience. | | The course is designed to give you lots of interactive practice | so you can develop the muscle memory needed to effectively use | vim. | | Would love to hear what you guys think about it :) | alfiedotwtf wrote: | Well done on building this. | | For some meta-advice: ignore all the salty comments in this | thread... it must be a full moon | enriquto wrote: | I just see a gray screen (after enabling javascript). | | EDIT: with another browser, it seems to work, and it looks very | cool! But I wonder, what is the interest of learning vim | _outside of vim_? What are the advantages with respect to the | similar tutorial "vimtutor" that comes with vim itself? | CoffeePython wrote: | Awesome, glad you got it working :) | | I use vim inside of vs code and it's been awesome for my | workflow. | | vimtutor is a fantastic resource and I'd definitely recommend | using it for anyone interested in learning vim. | | vim.so gives you more interactive exercises and helps to show | you real life examples of where and how vim would be useful. | | Thanks for checking it out! | drKarl wrote: | If you use vim inside vscode check Onivim 2 out | ahussain wrote: | I purchased the course but was disappointed that it doesn't go | much beyond the basics. For example, there is no tutorial on | the dot (.) command, which is one of the main productivity | hacks for vim users. | | There's also no mention of the slash '/' command, moving to a | particular line number with 'Shift-G', 'dw' for deleting words, | or any number of things that are essential to know if you want | to use vim effectively. | cassepipe wrote: | Thanks for the feedback | arthurcolle wrote: | What does the dot command do? | flaviuspopan wrote: | Repeats the same command previously run. So if you used | 'ci"' for (change text in quotes) and entered a new string, | you can jump to a new line and hit . to replay your last | series of commands. | arthurcolle wrote: | I only ever made it to running searches within vim with | forward slash, but thanks this is useful to know. I love | only using the keyboard but can never easily internalize | all the useful macros that can be used. | akho wrote: | I don't want to spend $15. Does it just tell you to run vimtutor? | It should just tell you to run vimtutor. | fingerlocks wrote: | Can someone please explain to me _why_ I should learn vim? I 've | made several attempts in my lifetime because I thought there | would be some magical "ah-ha" moment, but it never came. | | Separate modes for command & insert just feels inherently clumsy | and slow to me. Is there some other killer feature that can't or | hasn't been reproduced by modern editors? | dbrueck wrote: | Speed of editing files (especially code, but not just code) is | unparalleled. Anytime I have to use something besides vim, it | feels like trying to run in knee-deep water - so sluggish. | webo wrote: | For me, it's mostly the key bindings rather than the program | itself. I use vim key bindings on whatever the latest $editor | is rather than learning its keyboard navigation. I got | introduced to vim very early on though. | fao_ wrote: | > Can someone please explain to me why I should learn vim? I've | made several attempts in my lifetime because I thought there | would be some magical "ah-ha" moment, but it never came. | | It's faster. I've been using vim motions for almost 9 years at | this point, 8 years in vim, vi, ex-vi, neovim, etc. Most | recently I've moved to Doom Emacs (Which feels like an editor | I'll be using in whatever forms it takes, for the next 20+ | years). The experience of when you get used to it is | essentially that you are so practiced with the motions that | they become sub-concsious, muscle-memory. I don't have to think | about where to place the cursor, figure out where the mouse | cursor is, deal with a bunch of weird pasting tricks. To delete | a line I just have to will myself to delete it (using 'dd'), | just like I don't have to think about the complex action of | getting up off the bed, I just do it (At least, on days when Mr | Depresso isn't visiting). Eventually, it feels like the editor | is part of you. And at this point I can't give up vim motions. | Editing in anything else is uncomfortable and painful because | the ease and speed with which vim allows me to do complex | motions and actions is so convenient. | | I can't speak for your experience, but for me I had to struggle | through it a bit until I found the 'ah-ha' -- that might not | come for you, or maybe you haven't found it yet, unfortunately. | | I would look into using more motions, don't see it as a | replacement for Gedit, or Atom, or any of the mouse+keyboard | text editors -- it's not. Trying to use it like those will lead | nowhere. | | The trick that worked for me is to find motions that are | convenient, and move ESCAPE to a more palatable key -- I | swapped it with CAPS LOCK, since I pretty much never, ever have | to use that key (I can always highlight 2 words with `v2w` and | press `~`, which will swap the case of it, anyway). The | 'finding of the motions' is important. I spend 90% of my time | in a text editor moving, and cutting text, rather than typing. | A motion like `}` allows me to move the cursor down a | paragraph, `d}` will delete said paragraph, `v}y` will copy it, | etc. Often I find myself deleting `t`o a place. So I can do | `dt#` to delete to the comment at the end of a line. ^O will go | to my previous cursor position, etc. | | I would also recommend looking up Practical Vim -- it's | probably the best Vim handbook out there (Easily accessible via | genlib if you want to try before you buy), and there are still | things in there I haven't learned and integrated into my | workflow yet (For example, `vi)` to fast-edit bracket | sequences, that I haven't bothered with much). | | --- | | Regardless of all of that you need to decide if that effort is | worth it _for you_. I know an extremely skilled programmer who | writes and deals with extremely complex code just using Gedit | (previously Geany). | gnubison wrote: | In vim, most commands take the form "[count] operator [count] | motion". When you learn a new operator, you can use it with any | motion that you know and vice versa; and you can add a count to | either. To give a few examples: | | - gqip to format (gq) a paragraph (ip). | | - g?g? to ROT13 a line (doubling the operator makes it operate | on the current line -- in this case, g?? also works). | | - y2w to copy (y) the next two words (2w) -- this requires you | to be at the start of the word, but you could use y2aw if you | were in the middle of a word. | | - dj to delete (d) two lines (j); see ":h linewise". | | - dt. to delete (d) until a period (t.), not including the | period. | | - y% to copy (y) until the matching parentheses (%). If you | aren't already on one, vim searches until a "(", which means | that you can use this to copy a C-like function call. | | Additionally, a subset of these operators and motions are | available in plain vi, which is available on any POSIX system | (Linux, macOS, *BSD, ...) | | It should be possible to do this with a "regular" type of | editor, where you have a keyboard shortcut to, for instance, | select to the matching parentheses; there just aren't any | editors (that I know of) with the same range of motions and | operators as vim. | | Not moving to the arrow keys or using ctrl-, alt- far outweighs | the cost of switching between insert and normal mode. | rossmohax wrote: | > but you could use y2aw if you were in the middle of a word. | | Wow, how does it work? Why y3aw doesn't fully work for 3 | words (it captures space before the word I started with)? | vbrandl wrote: | y2iw should copy without enclosing spaces. My mnemonic is | "inner word" vs. "a word". | gnubison wrote: | Playing around with this, [count]iw seems to have some | really strange behavior -- I need to do 3iw to select two | words, 5iw to select three words, etc.? I'm not sure if | I'm missing something. (I normally don't use many text | objects; bdw is in my muscle memory instead of daw, for | example.) | fingerlocks wrote: | I appreciate the tutorial, but I probably do already "know" | vim, but it's not part of my muscle-memory. Context switching | to something like writing an email or filling out a web form | really makes it not worth getting too comfortable with all | these esoteric shortcuts. Do you write all of your emails in | vim and browse the web on the command line as well? | | From reading the rest of the replies, it sounds like the real | answer is "because it's everywhere", which isn't really | satisfying. I don't work on lots of machines that aren't my | own (embedded/mobile space, which _don 't_ have vi | installed!), so I don't actually encounter it everyday | despite living on the command line. | sigil wrote: | > Do you write all of your emails in vim and browse the web | on the command line as well? | | Yes! I use mutt + vim. Composing emails in a textarea is a | terrible experience by comparison. (Respect to emacs mail | mode users, that's a great option too.) | | I also use w3m for browsing technical stuff, and use tmux | for copy & paste into vim. | gnubison wrote: | Sorry -- I never know when to assume a large amount of | knowledge or a small amount of knowledge. The worst for me | is "ctrl-w" to delete a word backward in Insert mode, and | to delete a tab in the web browser :) Vim is in my muscle | memory and it's faster for me, so that's why I use it. It | might be faster for you and it might not be faster for you, | and if you don't need the portability for POSIX machines | it's probably not worth the time. | bmurphy1976 wrote: | If you live and breath the command line it's a great skill to | have because it's available everywhere and it's a very powerful | editor. If you're not a heavy command line user, you are | probably fine sticking with whatever you already know. | ttt0 wrote: | Modern editors often implement a vi mode, so technically | everything already has been reproduced in modern text editors. | | Aside from just decades of experience in efficient editing of | plain text files over slow connections plus all the modern | stuff on top, I'd say text objects, which is one of the first | things you learn about vim. And it's not a web browser. | Fellshard wrote: | Higher precision in intent for many standard operations. These | aren't perfectly Vim commands, but from the Vim-like 'evil | mode' for emacs, I have some examples of common idioms I use | frequently: | | - 'I want to change the name of this variable. <cw> (Change | Word)' | | - 'I want to copy the contents of this braced block. <yi{> | (Yank Inside Matching-braces)' | | - 'I want to surround this word in parentheses. <vaws(> | (Visual-mode (region selection) Around Word Surround-with | Matching-parens)' | | You get used to the separate modes fairly quickly. Your | existing editor already works that way when switching between | 'region' and 'insert' modes; it's just the command mode that | throws people off initially. It's not that rough, especially if | you have a reasonably placed key to return to command mode. | fao_ wrote: | > - 'I want to surround this word in parentheses. <vaws(> | (Visual-mode (region selection) Around Word Surround-with | Matching-parens)' | | Holy shit, thank you. I've been looking for something like | this for half a decade and never found it (I don't even know | how I missed it!) | Fellshard wrote: | I believe Vim-proper needs a plugin for that behaviour, so | keep that in mind. | fao_ wrote: | Do you know what plugin it is? I will try to search for | an evil version (Or I could just write my own, but my | task list is large and my energy very low these days) | benjaminogles wrote: | https://github.com/tpope/vim-surround | mellavora wrote: | ysiwb yank-surround-in-word-brackets also does it. If you | have https://github.com/tpope/vim-surround/ installed. | Fellshard wrote: | Thanks for the translation! I'll keep that around for | future reference. | cartoonfoxes wrote: | Having worked both as a sysadmin and a developer, vim is more a | benefit to the former by virtue of its ubiquity. Learn vim if | you know you will be encountering vim. | jeromenerf wrote: | > why | | There is no reason really, you either hear the call of the wild | or you don't and it's perfectly fine if you prefer emacs, acme, | nano or vscode. | | The simple fact that the choice is so large is that people | "click" in many interesting ways. | Tepix wrote: | If you work a lot on the command line on UNIX and Linux | systems, vi is the best choice for many because it is extremely | widely available and it is also very powerful once you have | mastered it. | fingerlocks wrote: | Sorry, but this is the same non-answer I have heard my entire | life. | | I do primarily work on the command line and I can assign | $EDITOR to anything I want. So what makes it so much more | powerful than the plethora of other editors in the space? | gnubison wrote: | If you deal with many machines, it's very possible that | they don't all have your preferred editor (unless it's vi). | vi is on _every_ POSIX system. | tasuki wrote: | > Separate modes for command & insert just feels inherently | clumsy and slow to me. | | Interesting, I have the opposite experience. In normal mode, I | can do a lot using very few keystrokes. In editors without | modes, there's always a lot of keyboard shortcuts which are | difficult to remember and hard to execute. | bdamm wrote: | Because the text motions, once learned, are extremely powerful | and will cause your relationship to textual data to | fundamentally change. All while avoiding wrist injury, because | some critical keys (f, t, g, j, q) are so lettered due to the | location on the keyboard. Think of your keyboard as more like a | piano than an alphabet. | ystad wrote: | Any similar course for tmux ? | Twisell wrote: | Well I think the nice point of doing excercise in a web browser | is that you can quickly switch to another tab and search for | daring questions such as " by the way why on earth does this | monstrosity want me to use hjkl? That don't make any sense!!!!" | | https://catonmat.net/why-vim-uses-hjkl-as-arrow-keys | | For a mostly data/SQL guy wanting to learn more about coding it | still don't make much sense but at least I know why and I can | move on. When I was trying vimtutor in a CLI interface I was less | curious and more WTF F... this is pure madness kind of mood. | | Dunno if I'll subscribe but nice first experience through this | demo. | sodapopcan wrote: | HJKL also allows you to keep your fingers on the homerow at all | times which is really great. I had issues with RSI that when | away when I started using Vim properly. Travelling to the arrow | keys now feels like a painful task to me! Of course, as a | sibling comment mentioned, hjkl is the worst way to move | around--"power users" generally only use them to move a | char/line or two. | pandemic_region wrote: | Not when using Dvorak, here's how it maps from Qwerty: H->J | J->C K->V L->P | | Still works pretty well, i've gotten used to it. | mynameisash wrote: | Fortunately, j & k are next to each other, and I never | noticed any disconnect in vim w/Dvorak. I never use h & l | -- mostly space, w/W, or b/B. But I also learned Dvorak | before vim, so I never got used to hjkl. | arendtio wrote: | On the other side, it is probably the most unnecessary | inflicted pain for beginners. Even after years of using vim | on a daily basis, I can't get used to hjkl and still use the | arrow keys. I tried a few times with different approaches, | but it never lasted more than a few days. So pushing someone | new to use hjkl for navigation is so unnecessary and just | kills a lot of motivation for very little value. | | Starting with deleting, yanking and pasting would be a lot | more fun. Even navigation with gg and G plus numbers would be | a lot more useful too. Like when you get an error message | that is caused by line 42, you know why you want to use vim | next time. | montalbano wrote: | The way I got used to hjkl home row was by completely | disabling the arrow keys in my vimrc file (in normal and | insert modes). I was struggling before that though. | cptnapalm wrote: | Opposite problem: I get so used to hjkl, I screw up | everywhere else for awhile. | rtlfe wrote: | I got a fancy keyboard with layers and set one to have | arrow keys on hjkl so I can use them everywhere. | bdamm wrote: | Yup, I wish all text fields had a vi mode. | fantod wrote: | The most shocking thing to me was that after weeks of | struggling to get used to hjkl for navigating in vim, I | realized that I had already been using jk for navigating up and | down on numerous sites (reddit, gmail, twitter) for YEARS. | tasuki wrote: | > " by the way why on earth does this monstrosity want me to | use hjkl? That don't make any sense!!!!" | | Indeed, why? Using hjkl is about the worst way to move around | in vim... | runeb wrote: | When you consider the concept of home row keys and touch | typing I find it very natural, actually. Its ergonomic and | very fast if you get into the habit of resting your fingers | on the home row. | | Though you may have been alluding to more powerful movements! | X6S1x6Okd1st wrote: | /%<CR>qqnxq19@q is clearly the solution to the "navigate to % | and delete it" | drKarl wrote: | Or f%x | X6S1x6Okd1st wrote: | That doesn't finish the challenge | bdamm wrote: | It does, actually. But you have to precede the command | with <num>G to go to the correct line. | biohax2015 wrote: | lolwut | enriquto wrote: | > the nice point of doing excercise in a web browser is that | you can quickly switch to another tab and search for daring | questions such as (...) | | On the contrary... I'd say that if you are _outside_ a browser, | it is somewhat easier to have a browser window side by side and | ALT-TAB between both. Having two tabs visible at the same time | is a bit cumbersome. | Deivuh wrote: | Is there anything similar for emacs? | teddyh wrote: | Maybe this: https://www.masteringemacs.org/ | xwdv wrote: | But why? Vim comes with a tutorial: vimtutor | kaladin_1 wrote: | It's "gamefied" vimtutor... Also, he must have learned a tonne | of vim building the game. | | Though, I totally agree with you, haven't seen anything that | beats vimtutor, except maybe for a vim cheatsheet as reference | material. | mihaifm wrote: | If you're looking to practice the h,j,k,l keys in a fun way, | simply play Nethack or other roguelikes that support these | movement keys. In 2-3 hours you'll be flying around the map and | you won't even know how you're doing it. | amelius wrote: | Is there an easy way to kill another vim instance if you open a | file for the second time in another window, preserving the edit | buffer? | Syzygies wrote: | I liked the first exercise, then I had to use the mouse to | dismiss my success dialog! I thought the whole point of vim was | ... | | (That's up there with Haskell package management depending on | "global variables" in a fixed settings file.) | 0xTJ wrote: | It seems cool, though I agree that not knowing | DeanWormer wrote: | I like how this uses repeated actions to help learn. | | A free resource I really like is simply running `vimtutor`. It | gives you a text file with exercises and you edit that text file | directly. | fokinsean wrote: | Does anybody have recommendations on how to go from "comfortable" | to "expert"? | | I've been using vim as my daily driver via the intellij plugin | for a few years. I mostly just navigate and never do anything | complicated, it gets the job done. | | For example I mostly use w, d, o, hjkl, y, p, w, b, t and | recently discovered the `c+i` combo which is awesome. | | But I feel like there's still a side of vim I haven't conquered. | | Any tips? | brianvli wrote: | I use vim as my main driver at work. Some things that helped me | out personally: | | - Playing some vimgolf and seeing what neat tricks people used. | This is where I learned about "." | | - Going into the deep-end of just using vim (or just vim in | IntelliJ without the mouse) will make you notice all the issues | that make you unproductive with only vim e.g getting around | with only hjkl is really slow so you might investigate other | ways to navigate or deleting a word always involves getting to | the end of the word and using lots of backspace may make you | wonder if there are more efficient ways to do the same thing | | - if you decide not to go into the deep-end, just being more | picky about how much you're spamming certain keys may help you | gradually incorporate new commands into your flow | westoque wrote: | yes! my path to "expert" was more in the lines of questioning | my commonly used editing functions: | | 1. how to delete text inside a double quote and go to insert | mode? - c+i+" | | 2. how to move to the end of line? - $ | | 3. how to delete everything before "x" character and go insert | mode" - c+t+x | | ... | | EDIT: updated mistakes. | nsomaru wrote: | > 1. how to edit words inside a double quote? - "ciw" | | ciw will change inner word, ci" will change inside quotes | | > 2. how to move to the end of line? - "g_" | | $ is generally used as the noun object to represent "end of | the current line" | | > 3. how to delete everything before "x" character" - "ctx" | | dtx would delete everything before the next x. ctx would | delete and then put you in insert mode :) | westoque wrote: | thanks for correcting my mistakes :) | phonebucket wrote: | > For example I mostly use w, d, o, hjkl, y, p, w, b, t and | recently discovered the `c+i` combo which is awesome. | | In addition to these, I've found (my personal experience, | ymmv): | | 1) f/F to jump to next/previous occurrence of character to help | navigating within a line very effectively, in conjunction with | ; and , to jump around within these occurences. 2) use relative | line numbers in conjunction with your hjkl. | | E.g. jump up 5 lines and go to the start of a bracket is | '5kf('. If it's a nested bracket you want, then '5kf(;'. | fokinsean wrote: | nice, thanks for the tips | jchook wrote: | Maybe try vim golf for fun. | | I would recommend using vim in the console without the mouse | because your editor will always give you a way out of learning. | | Every time you get stuck or feel inefficient, do a web search | and learn one thing. | | Learn to use and love :help. | | I think a few plugins can really improve the experience such as | coc, ultisnips, vim-surround. Also set some settings like | relative number and highlighted yank. | | Some other stuff to investigate... zz and scrolling, folding, | G, macros, registers, f, $ and ^ and 0, %, }, ctrl-o, ctrl-] | and ctags, formatting gq = etc | | Edit: also remembered enable set hidden and use buffers and | splits (eg :sbp). Use markers. Also I like the fzf plugin for | quickly opening files etc. | blueagle7 wrote: | Mayte try learn vim the hard way? | https://learnvimscriptthehardway.stevelosh.com/ | fokinsean wrote: | This looks great! Thank you! | RMPR wrote: | Practical Vim by Drew Neil is definitely a way to go. It | teached me stuff I wouldn't have discovered otherwise. | colinbartlett wrote: | I've been using Vim for many years and felt like there was | constantly stuff to learn. So a partner and I started an email | newsletter that sends tips twice a week: | | https://vimtricks.com | | The idea was that by forcing myself to write about Vim | consistently, I would learn and absorb more and boy has it | worked. | clashmeifyoucan wrote: | thanks for making this! The undo from insert mode1 one sold | it for me :) | | [1] https://vimtricks.com/p/undo-from-insert-mode/ | yjftsjthsd-h wrote: | Um. I think that's wrong, though. Pressing c-u just erases | to the beginning of the line in insert mode, it's not an | undo. | clashmeifyoucan wrote: | Ah, I guess should've tried before saying. Just excited | there's a way. | yjftsjthsd-h wrote: | Oh, I was excited too:) So excited that I immediately | tried it... | colinbartlett wrote: | Updated the post, thanks! | fokinsean wrote: | Looks great, subscribed! | clashmeifyoucan wrote: | As an aside, I love the vim keybinds with IntelliJ combo, vim | makes it so easy to navigate and perform operations, eg. the | one I use most being dt<some char> to delete until a char. | | Never can seem to get vim selections and deletions right | though, because it deletes the character after the cursor as | well so the mouse comes clutch there. | ttt0 wrote: | RTFM. Seriously. | leokennis wrote: | Hate to be a negative Nancy, but on a bog standard Chrome on a | bog standard Windows 10, in the first exercise the HJKL keys do | nothing. The arrow keys do work... | CoffeePython wrote: | Oh strange, I haven't had anyone report this bug yet. I'll look | into it. Thank you for letting me know! | cbm-vic-20 wrote: | noremap <Up> <Nop> noremap <Down> <Nop> noremap | <Left> <Nop> noremap <Right> <Nop> | | There, now your arrow keys do nothing, too! (This is a good way | to "train" yourself to not depend on the arrow keys.) | password321 wrote: | Or just use vim adventures, vim tutor for free... | godot wrote: | A tangential question, why is .so the new cool TLD to use for | tech startups/projects? | | I know the lack of availability of .com/other common TLDs is a | problem. I understand the reasoning behind using .io to represent | software/saas startups (stands for inputs/outputs). I don't | understand .so though. From what I remember, Notion was probably | the first high profile startup using it, and it just kinda took | off. Searching "why .so domain" comes up with nothing except a | Reddit thread with the Notion founder saying it was mostly | because it was just an available TLD for "notion" at the time. | ketanmaheshwari wrote: | Just last week we took a detour from our normal project that I am | doing with my daughter and started teaching her vim. We used | vimtutor and found it quite useful. I will definitely give this a | fair trial. | chris_wot wrote: | Can I get a list of the areas you cover? | CoffeePython wrote: | There are 10 exercises and 1 video that shows how I use vim in | my normal development workflow. | | The lessons are: | | - Basic Navigation | | - Command Basics | | - Insertion | | - Append | | - Deletion | | - Word Level Navigation | | - Select Mode | | - Advanced Word Level Navigation | | - Yanking/Putting | | - Matching within tags {} () " | chdlr wrote: | Or maybe just read/bookmark this single post: | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1218390/what-is-your-mos... | Havoc wrote: | That's neat. Inspired me to give it another go. Thanks | farbrortumm wrote: | Quick tip, this would make a great gift for people. Would be nice | to have a "Send this as a gift to someone" option. | ilaksh wrote: | I know I felt a constant social pressure to learn vim or emacs | over the years in order to fit in with those religions. | | I gave in to that social pressure early on. But even 30 years ago | in the early 90s when I started learning vim (and Linux), vim and | emacs were very dated programs. | | Over the course of thirty years I have managed to finally learn | how to set up syntax highlighting, terminal colors, and spaces vs | tabs and do a basic cut and paste operation. But the cut and | paste never works in a sensible way for me and I always end up | having to fix something after pasting. So I am probably still | doing that wrong after thirty years. Lol. | | I suggest using sshfs or Docker and then you can just use a | graphical client. Even gedit is a huge advantage over vim in my | opinion (especially if you also have fish in another window). I | like how lightweight and simple it is and I think it's really | underrated. But also VSCode, Sublime, maybe Atom. Maybe WebStorm. | | There is nothing wrong with using nano in the terminal. It's more | modern than vim and probably going to be much more productive. I | recommend if you are embarrassed about using nano and someone | asks, think of it as if someone asked you if you are Christian or | Jewish. You can just say you are agnostic about editors, and use | a modern tool. | | Also take a look at TextAdept in the terminal. It is customizable | with Lua. | | I really like Jupyter Notebooks for lots of things. It's a great | implementation of literate programming, especially if you take | advantage of the markdown to explain things thoroughly. Of course | a lot of teams are not going to like that but there are projects | where you can. | | Back in the early 90s there was this thing called Borland Turbo | Pascal which had things like mouse usage, automatic syntax | highlighting, F1 for instant contextual help, an integrated | debugger. Those were the days. Lol. You can configure vim to do | all of those things in kind of a janky way, but it's so | convoluted, I feel like they should award a PhD if you achieve | that. And they don't. So it's not worth it. | | People love to glorify the "power" of vim commands. But it's not | that way because the original author knew some secret to power | editing. It's that way by default, because when it was created, | commands and modes were the paradigm by default because of | historical terminal limitations. A few people were still using | Teletype at that time. Real-time editing was not even a thing. | | The terminal they initially developed vi on did not have separate | cursor keys. That's why it doesn't use cursor keys, not because | it's some deliberate choice they made to save time and be more | "advanced". | | http://xahlee.info/kbd/keyboard_hardware_and_key_choices.htm... | | I just feel like not only are people repeating the mistakes of | their fathers, but even their grandparents at this point. It's | not 1978 anymore. It's 2021. | necrotic_comp wrote: | That's fine!!! I don't think vim (esp. neovim) is janky at all, | but part of it is how your brain works. If you want to use nano | or vscode or whatever, there shouldn't be any social pressure. | | I think it comes down to how people like to use their tools and | how they like to shape their working environment. I've gotten | my vim/linux machines into a place where editing code is | comfortable, and I'd love to share it with people, but I | understand that they may not want to do it. And that's fine! | | Use what works for you to get your work done! | ilaksh wrote: | Also I actually use vim a lot more than VSCode which I have | not used much. | | But I also think I wasted a lot of time over the years | figuring out how to use it and how to set it up. I am trying | to save some people a lot of time. I actually think I am | still wasting time with it and its because of social pressure | to use an outdated program. Its like some kind of | psychological thing that has me compelled to be irrational to | fit in. | ilaksh wrote: | It's not something about "how my brain works". That's a | sneaky way of accusing me of being too dumb to use those | editors. But the user interfaces from 35-40 years ago are | bad. Objectively. Unless you are using them on the terminals | from the 70s or 80s. | necrotic_comp wrote: | I am absolutely not calling you dumb! Emacs doesn't work | for my brain at all, but Vim does. There are lots of tools | that are made for different kinds of people and they all | help us towards getting to a certain result. | | I don't think it's fair to say that the user interfaces are | bad, though. The defaults may be bare bones, but the point | is that they are programmable environments that allow you | to tailor them to your needs if you want to. | | That's it. | ilaksh wrote: | Ok, I'm sorry but I believe you are incorrect. People do | not have different brains that way. Just like they don't | have different 'learning styles'. That sort of thing is a | discredited myth. | | I also think that it is objectively true and not only | fair but also important for people to start to point out | how bad these interfaces are. At some point traditions | start to become a drag on society. | | One of the core principles of user interface design is | useful defaults. And there are many better modern editors | with equal amounts of programmability as well as useable | and useful defaults. | necrotic_comp wrote: | I don't understand that line of reasoning, and it seems | like you're being obstinate for the sake of being | obstinate. I hope you understand that even though you | might feel one way, other people may think another and | there's no orthodoxy. | | Have a good day. | ilaksh wrote: | Of course people have different opinions. | | That's not what you said though. You said brains work | differently. | necrotic_comp wrote: | Brains do work differently - if they didn't, everyone | would learn at exactly the same pace if given exactly the | same input, and people would all have the same | preferences. There's a reason why the term "neurotypical" | exists. | | You don't like what I like, and that's fine, but I can | tell you that I _like_ the design of older computer | systems more than I like the design of modern computer | systems. There 's a reason why I use the tools I do and | why I can write really good software really fast with | them. | | You can argue that they're dated, and that's fine, but | you're arguing that if we like them that we're wrong, and | that's not okay. | | I'm realize I'm shouting at the wind, though. | AlchemistCamp wrote: | I don't think calling the subject matter the OP is trying to | teach "a religion" or predicting downvotes on your comment is | productive. | | The 2nd is definitely against the site guidelines. | | To address your other comments, I can share a personal | anecdote. When I started programming, I basically just learned | the bare minimum VI commands to get around. I didn't see it as | "a religion" or a relic from the past, but I saw a fairly steep | learning curve that wasn't a high priority for me to tackle at | the time. | | Years later, I did get into it. It's been good for me in terms | of efficiency, but much more importantly, it's been good for my | health. At the end of 2017, I had severe RSI and from working | an extreme schedule on a startup and a poor ergonomic setup. My | wrists were so injured that it hurt to even brush my teeth. | | I got an ergonomic keyboard, and made a concerted attempt to | use the mouse as little as possible (and balance that little | bit between both hands). I made VIM my primary driver, | regardless of what other editor I was using. Even on web pages, | I attempted to use keyboard navigation where feasible, | especially in email and similar apps. | | As a result, I've no healed to where I do full-time weeks at | the keyboard again and I will probably always be grateful to | VIM (and Kinesis!) | ilaksh wrote: | I'm not allowed to predict the downvotes? I'm just supposed | to "take it like a man"? | | It absolutely is like a religion and an enormous amount of | time has been wasted with people feeling they need to learn | how to use these extremely outdated programs with user | interfaces invented 40 years ago. | | I am trying to save some people some time. The fact that you | are trying to stop me from doing that indicates to me that I | have committed heresy. That is why you want to have my | comment declared invalid. It contradicts your worldview. | Zababa wrote: | > I'm not allowed to predict the downvotes? I'm just | supposed to "take it like a man"? | | In the guidelines | (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html): | | > Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It | never does any good, and it makes boring reading. | ilaksh wrote: | Okay, if someone shares the same specific type of disability | due to repetitive stress injury, then yes, that is a good use | case for vim. | cupofcoffee wrote: | Lots of people use vim just to appear hardcore and not because | it confers serious editing advantage. | | Vim itself is a really really bad editor. It's so obvious that | it was written by a programmer with commands like 5dd, 6gg etc. | I find it so ridiculous that a computer program can be that | much loved and yet it doesn't even provide line numbers out of | the box nor indentation. Does a person really need to spend | half an hour googling just to tell vim to indent Java code as | they type. | __m wrote: | I think it does offer editing advantages, though they don't | matter that much unless you work in a sweat shop. For me it's | just fun going like "look mum, no mouse" | Bluecobra wrote: | Thanks for posting this. I have been using vi(m) for at least 15 | years and finally got the hang of yy only recently. I used to | work at a Solaris shop a long time ago and had to learn vi to get | anywhere. I wish I had this then! | jehlakj wrote: | This is neat but newcomers beware. This is the easy part. Setting | up your config and plugins is why most people go back to ides | triangleman wrote: | Aren't you supposed to avoid plugins and config so that vi/m | will be familiar everywhere you go? That's the advice I've | gotten on this board. | bdamm wrote: | My approach is to just use all the tools. I use clumsy IDEs | when I really need powerful debugging. I use vim when I need | powerful editing/macros. Sometimes I do code browsing with | ctags. Sometimes I do code browsing with Eclipse. There's no | need to be a purist. | | Except vim. No plugins into vim. That is sacrilege. | qwerty456127 wrote: | Does it include practical use cases demonstrating how vim tricks | can really come in handy in real life? This probably is the | hardest part for me - I can't imagine a case where I would like | to use any of them I've ever read about (yet I still feel | interested). | corytheboyd wrote: | Not a mega power vim user, but maybe this qualifies. I use vim | as my git editor. When doing interactive rebase, if I want to | squash/fix commits, for example, I go to the first commit I | want to change the command for, 'ciw' to change the command, | 'esc' to exit exit, then for the subsequent commits I want to | squash/fix, just use '.' to replay those same commands to the | new line. Works very well! I love using vim as the git editor, | it's stupid fast, and doesn't take you away from the command | line | julianlam wrote: | That's a neat tip, thanks for sharing that, this is the exact | use case I was looking for. | | I was hoping to kick the can on learning vim macros down the | road, and so here we go... | corytheboyd wrote: | No problem! Happy to help with things I wish people told me | long ago :) | CoffeePython wrote: | Yes it does, all the exercises past the basic navigation one | are real life use cases for how it can be used. | | I need to add some better copy and examples on the landing page | so people will know what they're getting. | | Here's a video on twitter that demonstrates one of the | exercises | https://twitter.com/KennethCassel/status/1351178904686514178... | h2000 wrote: | Nooooooooooooooo! | ryeguy_24 wrote: | I never buy things but this just hit on my exact pain point of | trying to get good at VIM. The one thing that's holding me back | is understanding how much content there is behind the 15 dollars. | I really liked the demo exercise but are there only 10 more | behind that? | Deivuh wrote: | I'm considering learning more vim besides "esc /insert and :q :w" | and this might be a great start. | | As an emacs user it's frustrating having to install emacs to do | some config editing whereas in my experience vim is included | anywhere. e.g. my router. | swirepe wrote: | You've also got "u" for undo. That's another one for you. | corytheboyd wrote: | This looks great! Do agree with others though, that you should | expose the course sections. I don't use vim as my main IDE but I | still do use it for quick edits and commit messages, so I don't | know nothing about it. Would be great to see if the course is | more/less/same as my current working knowledge. But also a one- | time $15 isn't bad at all, thank you for not trying to make this | a subscription :) | __m wrote: | Most IDEs have a vim extension that gives you the basic vim | editing behavior. It's great to get into it without having to | dive into plugins, buffers, windows etc. | viach wrote: | The typical conversion rate is ~1/100, so you'll need 10000 | visitors to earn 1500$ this month (optimistically). The next | month you'll need another 10000 to earn the same amount. Taking | into account the amount of work put into this project, what's | your marketing strategy besides Show HN posts? | CoffeePython wrote: | I worked on this for 3 days. I've been getting around 1k on | average visitors from direct traffic and twitter since I | launched it into access around 10 days ago. | | I'm going to work on SEO next for it :) | heroHACK17 wrote: | This is great! | | Another great resource I gotta plug is | https://github.com/ThePrimeagen/vim-be-good. Essentially the same | but it's a native vim plugin. It's free, doesn't require a login, | and did I mention it's a native vim plugin? | cbm-vic-20 wrote: | This guy also streams on vim topics frequently on Twitch. | | https://www.twitch.tv/theprimeagen | andai wrote: | Also YouTube! | https://youtube.com/channel/UC8ENHE5xdFSwx71u3fDH5Xw | CoffeePython wrote: | Oh this is neat! I haven't seen this one around before :) I'll | have to check it out. Thanks for sharing | wes-k wrote: | I'm tempted to buy it, but I don't know what I'm getting. What | will this teach me? Do I already know it? | ctrlp wrote: | I you want to learn vim movements quickly, start using a browser | plugin with vim keybindings like VimFX it Vimium. Stop using the | mouse to browse the internet. You'll get hours of practice doing | something you'd do anyway. The muscle memory will be there when | you open vim. Also, turn off arrow keys in vim. Vim is keyboard | and home row centric, all else follows. Also doing dojo exercises | like on commandlinefu.cim helps. | rohithkp wrote: | Need something like this for Emacs/org-mode | claytongulick wrote: | My (issue?) with vim is that I've been using it so long, all day | every day, that I can't remember any of the commands - I only | have muscle memory. | | If someone asks me how to do something, I have no idea, I have to | physically pretend like I'm doing it on a keyboard to figure out | the command. | andreygrehov wrote: | Pro tip to exit vim: Shift+Z+Z | i_am_andy wrote: | I have to recommend this too: | | https://vim-adventures.com/ | | I used it to get to grips with vim | buzzerbetrayed wrote: | I love vim-adventures. It was the only way I was able to stay | motivated to learn vim well enough for it to "stick". I just | hate that you can only buy 6 month access to it. I'd happily | pay 2-3x the price for lifetime access, but the fact that I can | only buy 6 more months makes me pretty sure that they won't be | getting any more money from me. I think I would still hop on | for a few minutes every few months to practice up on some stuff | that I forgot. | ignitionmonkey wrote: | Have you tried contacting the developer? | greenbay20 wrote: | Awesome idea, gamifying learning vim seems the way to go. | | Minor detail: I would recommend you set up the keyboard focus on | the game as soon as the page loads. Saw a comment mentioning that | the HJKL keys were not working and the same happened to | me...right until I clicked on the command-line box in order to | have my keyboard focus it. | slowhand09 wrote: | $15 for lifetime access... rubs chin... I'm old. Would you take | $5 as my life is 2/3 gone? | tux1968 wrote: | No offence to OP intended at all, but as these things often go, | you're paying for the lifetime of the site, not your own. | simonebrunozzi wrote: | Even though, admit it... If the course is really good, the | extra $10 are nothing compared to the several hours of | frustration that you could save. | irrational wrote: | Or save all frustration and just don't use vim ;-) | pc86 wrote: | It seems one of these vim tutorials comes up every 6 months | or so, and the one thing they're all missing is a | convincing explanation of why someone should learn all the | esoteric incantations of a 30-year old text editor. | pletnes wrote: | If you think vim is frustrating for a beginner, you have no | idea what it feels like to edit text in non-vim for a half- | assed vim user. Really, I don't master vim after >1decade, | but that's not necessary. | NovaDev wrote: | Pair programming is a real pain for me when most of my | colleagues just don't use Vim. | ranit wrote: | irrational indeed :-) | chongli wrote: | I've used vim for many years now. It is true, learning vim | makes it very frustrating when you find yourself having to | use another editor. Luckily, vim is pretty much everywhere | so those situations are rare. | maskedoffender wrote: | I find that vim really shines in editing text on touch | screens with on-screen keyboards. I can do complicated | commands without doing too much typing out digging | through menus or using ctrl alt whatever keys. | stingrae wrote: | it's actually the lifetime of your email address | medecau wrote: | you're going to outlive the site | shafin_ wrote: | Easiest way to learn vim is to force yourself to use vim | noarchy wrote: | The only time I use vim _is_ when I am forced to use it. | bdamm wrote: | Then you will never learn vim. Which is fine, not everyone | needs to be a vim ninja. | Vaslo wrote: | In the same vein, we learned excel shortcuts by unplugging the | mouse | vz8 wrote: | Show HN: I built an online interactive course that helps you | learn vim* faster | | *You have a small typo in your title: should be spelled "emacs" | ;) | | Kidding aside, the course is fun, nice work. | | Per other comments in the thread, if you want to integrate vim | muscle memory and browsers, check out the Vimium extension for | Chrome (granted, I've overwritten the defaults with emacs, but | the idea has still been helpful and minimized mouse use). | SiteRelEnby wrote: | Emacs tutorials can be one line: "ctrl-x ctrl-c". | mettamage wrote: | So can vim by typing: vimtutor | yjftsjthsd-h wrote: | That's, ah, not the same joke:) | vz8 wrote: | An Ode to Quitting Vim: | | ESC | | Ctrl-C | | ESC | | Ctrl-Q | | ESC | | Ctrl-Z | | * dangit, suspended * | | fg | | ESC | | :q | | E37: No write since last change (add ! to override) | | ! | | E37: No write since last change (add ! to override) | | !:q | | E37: No write since last change (add ! to override) | | @!&^#!&!!:q | | E477: No ! allowed | | _Reboots Server_ | dubya wrote: | Teach a man to fish: Ctrl-Z kill -9 | %1 | geordigeordi wrote: | I've been considering Vim for a while now.. If I do choose to | pick it up this will definitely be my first choice! Looks great | :) | CoffeePython wrote: | Wow thanks! Learning vim is fun :) I'm glad to see so many | people interested in it | unwoundmouse wrote: | Do macros -> delete % break it? I tried to race the first | exercise by setting up a macro to speedrun the first example and | i got something where multiple % showed up | CoffeePython wrote: | I guess it does! Haven't seen anyone do this before. I'll look | into fixing this though! ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2021-01-20 23:00 UTC)