[HN Gopher] Retiring Tucows Downloads
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       Retiring Tucows Downloads
        
       Author : andrewdutton
       Score  : 297 points
       Date   : 2021-01-21 18:36 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (tucows.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (tucows.com)
        
       | nevster wrote:
       | Well that's one less email I'll be getting every week - the
       | "Weekly Statistics Report" for downloads of my software from
       | tucows.
       | 
       | As below:
       | 
       | "You receive weekly download and CPC statistics because you are a
       | Tucows ARC Subscriber. If you no longer wish to receive this
       | communication, please login to ARC, enter the Profile Manager and
       | uncheck the box marked "Weekly mailings.
       | 
       | Files: weekly_report_29299_20210110004906-20210117004906.zip"
        
       | degenerate wrote:
       | The article doesn't link to the Tucows Downloads Archive, for
       | whatever reason it only links to the archive.org homepage.
       | 
       | Here's the direct link: https://archive.org/details/tucows
       | 
       | It also appears that the archive wasn't manually reviewed; some
       | items are just screenshots, and others are unrelated to software
       | at all.
       | 
       | Example (mildly nsfw):
       | https://archive.org/details/tucows_71077_Sung_Hi_Lee_2
        
         | ardy42 wrote:
         | > The article doesn't link to the Tucows Downloads Archive, for
         | whatever reason it only links to the archive.org homepage.
         | 
         | > Here's the direct link: https://archive.org/details/tucows
         | 
         | > It also appears that the archive wasn't manually reviewed;
         | some items are just screenshots, and others are unrelated to
         | software at all.
         | 
         | I'm really glad they went through the trouble of even doing
         | that. They didn't have to.
         | 
         | A lot of it's probably only good for nostalgia, before it's
         | totally forgotten without much loss; but as someone who
         | recently spent a bunch of time trying to track down 90s FTP
         | site mirrors chasing a vague memory of a game, I appreciate it.
        
         | romwell wrote:
         | >and others are unrelated to software at all.
         | 
         | Your example is software.
         | 
         | It is a "screensaver", a program that displays something other
         | than a static image on the screen when the computer is idle
         | (which prevented CRT burn-in).
         | 
         | Those used to be popular back in the day, and long after few
         | people had CRTs around.
        
         | rzzzt wrote:
         | I, ahem, had to look into this as a matter of intellectual
         | curiosity -- there is an archive file in the "DOWNLOAD OPTIONS"
         | section which holds the .scr Windows screensaver file:
         | https://archive.org/download/tucows_71077_Sung_Hi_Lee_2
         | 
         | (On another note, .scr-s are just renamed .exe-s, and it was a
         | highly questionable choice to download and run those in their
         | heyday as well.)
        
         | ars wrote:
         | Maybe email them with your findings? They to care about
         | history, maybe they'll be receptive to fixing the issues.
        
       | mdtancsa wrote:
       | But where will I download TCPMan and Trumpet Winsock from now???
        
       | Slartie wrote:
       | first thought: What, Tucows still existed?
       | 
       |  _clicks on link_
       | 
       | second thought: That's not Tucows! Where is the logo with the two
       | cows???
        
       | dceddia wrote:
       | Wow, end of an era. I guess it realistically ended a while ago,
       | but I remember downloading stuff from Tucows when I was a kid
       | playing around on the internet with dialup.
       | 
       | I was really surprised to learn recently that they own Ting (the
       | cell phone provider) and big domain-related businesses like eNom
       | and Hover. Looks like they're doing just fine.
        
       | d23 wrote:
       | Reminds me of download.com and how that was such a go-to site for
       | me. I still have that in my muscle memory when I open a new tab,
       | along with a few others from my childhood.
        
       | TtEdN7jwT wrote:
       | I remember downloading x-files windows 98 themes when I was a kid
       | on dialup on weekends. good times. Also surprised it still
       | exists. was a great time to be into computers.
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | IronWolve wrote:
       | I use to browse tucows and freshmeat and seeing what new software
       | people released, was fun to see what people created. Just a nice
       | updated list of new applications.
       | 
       | Now I have no idea what people are creating unless they post to a
       | few forums I follow, so limited.
        
       | cecida wrote:
       | Downloading Winamp from Tucows so I could listen to illegally
       | downloaded NOFX mp3s. The good old days when the WWW was so new
       | and exciting for me.
        
       | tpmx wrote:
       | > We're pleased to say that much of the software and other assets
       | that made up the Tucows Downloads library have been transferred
       | to our friends at the Internet Archive for posterity.
       | 
       | The usage of the word "much" makes it seem like IA crawled most
       | of the archive, "probably".
       | 
       | @ Elliot Noss:
       | 
       | The real classy way to shut down something as historically
       | important as this would be to transfer a 100% (edit: ~100%) dump
       | to the IA.
       | 
       | (Hoping to be disproved.)
        
         | codazoda wrote:
         | Alas, my app listing for ButtonWiz is gone (maybe I removed it
         | years ago). It was listed in Windows Magazine as one of the top
         | 10 shareware programs sometime around 1998.
         | 
         | That makes it sound bigger than it was, the Top 10 list was a
         | small 1/4 page article that appeared in a bunch of issues.
        
           | janfoeh wrote:
           | Has your app been around for longer than '98? The screenshots
           | I've found look familiar.
           | 
           | If it was available around, say, '94 or '95, I am almost
           | positive I had it installed at the time I started messing
           | around with the Compuserve Homepage Builder...
        
         | paxys wrote:
         | Sites like this have a long tail problem. Yes doing a 100% dump
         | would be best, but 90% of it is likely stuff that hasn't been
         | accessed in years and never will again. So from a resourcing
         | point of view it is better to save "most" than none at all.
        
           | stormbrew wrote:
           | And yet, all is still better than most. The IA's entire point
           | of existence is to preserve that long tail stuff that doesn't
           | get preserved otherwise, and they certainly currently hold on
           | to things that are far less useful than literally anything on
           | tucows was (for eg. a website I worked on in 1995 that
           | probably only had a few hundred visitors _even then_ ).
           | 
           | I hope this is just soft wording.
        
             | tpmx wrote:
             | > I hope this is just soft wording.
             | 
             | Yeah, I hope that too. Maybe everything except 0.01%
             | _really_ problematic content has been transferred to the
             | IA.
        
           | tpmx wrote:
           | I guess I'm mostly concerned about an authoritative dump from
           | those first years until 1996/1997 or so, probably less than 1
           | GB.
        
             | cbhl wrote:
             | I wonder if someone still has a copy of the Tucows CD-ROMs
             | from those days? (Since most folks were still on dial-up
             | and everything.)
        
         | jayzalowitz wrote:
         | Speaking as a person who faced this, licensing concerns are
         | probably driving the mostiness.
        
           | tpmx wrote:
           | Sure - I'd just like to make sure. So much early content has
           | been deleted from history for no reason at all, really. If
           | there's been a serious effort to save at least the early
           | content from the 1990s I'd be super happy. If everything
           | minus problematic content has been saved, I'd be even
           | happier.
        
       | aurizon wrote:
       | Yes, I went from audio coupled 120 baud BBS in 1983 to the 56K by
       | 1993 and loved Tucows when they emerged. Many happy years spent
       | learning at their knee - as others have said, Thanks, Tucows -
       | live long and prosper in whatever internet sea you now swim
       | in....
        
       | soheil wrote:
       | tucows and download.com were the "app stores" of the web before
       | the walled gardens of the big companies today. You could
       | distribute your app to one of these sites and have it be
       | automatically syndicated to thousands of other download sites.
       | This is how distributed web worked. We're making the web more
       | centralized and it's not just social media and youtube.
        
         | strictnein wrote:
         | Yeah. Plus you'd have FTP sites that would mirror a variety of
         | sources too. Now Chrome has removed FTP support completely.
        
           | imoverclocked wrote:
           | It's gone the way of the gopher!
        
           | gruez wrote:
           | Is there any meaningful difference between a ftp server and a
           | http server with directory listing enabled?
        
             | oriolid wrote:
             | With http you lose all the fun with active/passive FTP and
             | tricks to get around firewalls. Though stateful firewalls
             | already ruined it.
        
             | [deleted]
        
             | xtracto wrote:
             | IIRC at least initially the FTP had some special modes to
             | transfer binary data, whereas HTTP was not as efficient.
             | And of course, HTTP was meant to be "pull only" whereas FTP
             | had upload capabilities too.
        
               | caf wrote:
               | The 'binary mode' of FTP just meant _not_ to translate
               | line endings or potentially character set, in opposition
               | to  'text mode'.
               | 
               | The advantage with HTTP wasn't efficiency, it was that
               | resuming interrupted downloads was typically possible
               | with FTP but not HTTP (because ranged GET took a long
               | while to get support in both servers and clients).
        
           | kevincox wrote:
           | > Now Chrome has removed FTP support completely.
           | 
           | You can just as effectively have HTTP sites that are simple
           | listings of available software. I don't think FTP removal is
           | really relevant here except for nostalgia.
        
             | Spivak wrote:
             | HTTP is one layer too low to replace FTP. HTTP can provide
             | the transport but not the application semantics. We would
             | have to agree on a protocol that uses HTTP to replace FTP.
        
               | kevincox wrote:
               | That is a fair point. WebDAV seems to provide the listing
               | and update semantics that you are looking for. WebDAV is
               | widely supported by webservers so I think it is a great
               | replacement for FTP.
        
             | sub7 wrote:
             | Disagree. FTP as a protocol made self hosting all kinds of
             | things much easier. We could soon live in a world where
             | people self host their own data powered by protocols that
             | will borrow heavily from FTP.
        
               | PurpleFoxy wrote:
               | Hardly. You can install Apache and drop your files in it
               | and the default settings make it look pretty much like an
               | FTP listing.
        
               | spijdar wrote:
               | Did it? I've always had more trouble throwing up quick
               | FTP servers vs a quick "python3 -m http.server" for a
               | throwaway HTTP server.
        
               | core-questions wrote:
               | Gemini says hello!
        
               | sub7 wrote:
               | Hello! If only protocols weren't treated as cash cows
        
             | technofiend wrote:
             | FTP has some interesting features not found in straight
             | HTTP such as charset conversion and my favorite the HOST
             | command. HOST was the escape valve for commands you needed
             | run that weren't implemented in the FTP protocol itself.
             | I'm sure it's a terrible vulnerability now but it was fun
             | to use and see what you could make a remote machine do.
        
           | ryandrake wrote:
           | I wish "removing features" wasn't such a popular thing for
           | software companies. I mean I understand the cost of having
           | complexity but is it REALLY that bad to just keep an
           | unmaintained feature going that people use?
        
             | PurpleFoxy wrote:
             | There is no way to keep an unmaintained feature in. They
             | will break so fast and there is no point keeping a broken
             | feature in. Just download an FTP client.
        
             | ergo14 wrote:
             | You do have to maintain features, fix security issues,
             | refactor surfaces get smaller, even unused - bitrotting
             | code generates at least some work.
        
             | core-questions wrote:
             | Well, now that QA is a mature process and people expect
             | tests on every single thing, it's more "expensive" to keep
             | a feature around, as you have to keep on testing it.
        
             | jagged-chisel wrote:
             | It's not that bad ... right up until someone finds a
             | security problem involving said feature, and the original
             | code authors have left.
        
         | reiichiroh wrote:
         | Handango and some others that I forget were the equivalent for
         | the handheld Palm PDA.
        
         | renewiltord wrote:
         | They were such shit though, with the fake download buttons and
         | everything.
        
           | yosito wrote:
           | I remember a Tucows before the fake download button. But as a
           | kid I definitely downloaded a virus or two on my parent's
           | computer.
        
           | snoshy wrote:
           | It must have been a big reason why these sites fell to
           | irrelevance so quickly. And to think of the missed
           | opportunities...
        
           | cogman10 wrote:
           | Those didn't come till they started pumping the site with
           | banners. From there, malware assholes figured out they could
           | advertise with a duplicate "download" button and get a
           | healthy number of clicks (certainly got me more than once).
           | 
           | They went to shit, but didn't start out that way until they
           | started to try and fund their site through a shit ton of ads.
           | 
           | That was a dark day for the internet. Thank goodness for ad
           | blockers.
        
       | jaredsohn wrote:
       | Some related obscure nostalgia - I used to like downloading games
       | from Happy Puppy.
       | 
       | https://web.archive.org/web/20000815211217/http://www.happyp...
       | 
       | "Happy Puppy was launched on Valentine's Day 1995, establishing
       | itself as the first-ever commercial games site. It was an
       | overnight success and has been the leading gaming lifestyle
       | publication on the web ever since."
       | 
       | Related in the sense that it was another site I would download
       | software from in that era. Disappeared in 2006.
        
         | bityard wrote:
         | I remember Happy Puppy. Although the thing I remember most is
         | that I won a free 56k 3Com (nee US Robotics) external serial
         | modem from them just by entering my name and address into a
         | sweepstakes on the main page. It just showed up in the mail one
         | day. It was a nice upgrade from our winmodem. My mom was sure
         | it was some kind of scam.
        
           | comprev wrote:
           | Buying an external 56k US Robotics modem was a giant leap
           | when I was a teenager. It opened up the internet as I only
           | had a winmodem at the time and RedHat 7.3 didn't play nice.
        
         | bitwize wrote:
         | I remember HappyPuppy back when it was run by Jennifer Diane
         | Reitz, who sold it off in 1995 or 1996 and whose career since
         | has been... interesting, to say the least.
         | 
         | She changed the background to one of the puppy mascot peeing on
         | the Communications Decency Act, back when the "Blue Ribbon
         | Campaign" was a thing.
        
       | felixr wrote:
       | Oh wow. I have not heard of or seen tucows for ages. The last
       | time i visited their page must have been 15 years ago because it
       | looked like
       | https://web.archive.org/web/20050715014500/http://www.tucows...
        
       | therealmarv wrote:
       | Used Tucows as most reliable source for downloading software for
       | Windows back in the days (I think I did not trusted e.g.
       | download.com). Will remember all the cows on the early internet
       | days ;)
        
       | Octopuz wrote:
       | I still have my 'official mirror' T-shirt from Tucows (1994?)
        
       | jbverschoor wrote:
       | tucows, jumbo, and x2ftp.oulu.fi were my goto places :-)
        
       | cosmodisk wrote:
       | Wow.Just wow.The last time I was on their website was probably
       | nearly 20 years ago. No way I would have imagined they not only
       | exist but also hiring. Kind of glad they pivoted to other areas.
       | 
       | [Edit]: I occasionally cover tech stocks in my spare time- this
       | is definitely one I'll write about!
        
       | artificial wrote:
       | Excellent run! It's been ages since I've downloaded things from
       | Tucows, mainly late 90s and early 00s. The era of PlanetQuake and
       | all the other sites. Hmm, off to the IA for a nostalgia browse...
        
         | xyzal wrote:
         | ... and IE for a nostalgia browser
        
           | Consultant32452 wrote:
           | Let's not get carried away.
        
         | comprev wrote:
         | PlanetQuake... the nostalgia is running through my veins! Not
         | heard that name in two decades.
        
       | Scoundreller wrote:
       | > Old sites are a maintenance challenge and therefore a risk.
       | 
       | Hard disagree unless you want/need to update it. They've moved it
       | to internet archive, so I'm happy, but still a dumb statement.
        
         | Sohcahtoa82 wrote:
         | Updates are going to be a requirement if you care at all about
         | security.
         | 
         | New vulnerabilities are being found in the most popular web
         | servers on a regular basis.
        
         | gmiller123456 wrote:
         | Even if the software it was running on never had a bug finding,
         | the hardware would eventually fail and it'd have to be updated
         | to run on modern software. Coupled with the fact that bugs do
         | pop up in operating systems, web servers, etc, it is no free to
         | maintain. The Internet Archive screen scrapes everything and
         | just saves the pages you see, but even that isn't free or
         | trivial if you don't already have the software.
        
           | Scoundreller wrote:
           | > The Internet Archive screen scrapes everything and just
           | saves the pages you see, but even that isn't free or trivial
           | 
           | That's what I'm suggesting: you run a big screen scrape job,
           | disable the search and any other forms (review entry or
           | comments) and host that. At the end of the day, you have an
           | unchanged archive running on your existing www server.
           | 
           | At least that's how I've kept up old stuff that isn't popular
           | anymore but still pulls in enough visitors and ads to cover
           | costs.
        
           | [deleted]
        
         | tehlike wrote:
         | Depending on the underlying infrastructure.
         | 
         | Unless you freeze the infrastructure too, this is incorrect.
        
       | canadianfella wrote:
       | 12 hour downloads of 7mb Paint Shop Pro trial...
        
       | samsquire wrote:
       | There was something magical about this era when I was a child
       | downloading gameboy emulators like No$GBA.
       | 
       | I miss download.com
       | 
       | Is there fewer people making desktop software nowadays? It seems
       | there is less software available. It's also very hard to be
       | profitable and monetize software.
        
         | codazoda wrote:
         | I hated Download.com. It was buying up all my favorite download
         | sites of the era and shutting them down without integrating
         | their features. I think SoftSeek was my favorite and I'm hard
         | pressed to find even a screenshot of it these days.
         | 
         | Off to look.
        
           | p1mrx wrote:
           | Yes, I was late '90s downloading enthusiast, and SoftSeek was
           | the best one, particularly because every app had a
           | screenshot.
           | 
           | https://web.archive.org/web/19991118153527/http://www.softse.
           | ..
        
         | oriolid wrote:
         | > Is there fewer people making desktop software nowadays?
         | 
         | Yes. Developing native desktop apps is more work (Win32 and
         | Cocoa, who even knows those? you'll have to implement the app
         | in both) and these days you'll have to go through the app
         | signing bureaucracy even if you're not using app stores. And
         | good luck with the monetization, especially if you're not
         | distributing through app store or other and paying a huge share
         | for it.
        
         | arkitaip wrote:
         | I feel like native desktop development has stagnated a lot in
         | the past 10 years. But Electron and other frameworks have
         | enabled hundreds of desktop software that are basically web
         | tech based.
        
           | Sohcahtoa82 wrote:
           | And all those frameworks add so much bloat.
           | 
           | Windows Calculator now consumes 12 MB of RAM. Sure, 12 MB is
           | nothing when systems have 8+ GB, but if you think about the
           | fact that it hasn't really changed much since Windows 3.1,
           | you have to wonder why it takes a couple orders of magnitude
           | more memory without having significantly more functionality.
           | 
           | I bet if DOOM were to be written today, even using the same
           | assets, it would be a 2 GB install that consumed 4 GB of RAM
           | while running.
        
       | wiremine wrote:
       | This is the worst part of the internet: Tucows was such a bit
       | part of life for so many people, and now it's just... gone. We
       | have the internet archive, which is great, but it feels like
       | there should be a way to highlight touchstones these sites.
        
         | dimator wrote:
         | Well, in this way, the internet is just like real life. How
         | many stores in your hometown have lasted 20, 30 years? It's
         | hard and it sucks losing them, even though they might not be
         | part of your life anymore. They were touchstones to someone's
         | past.
         | 
         | My favorite little bookstore was called Readmore, it's been
         | gone for 20 years, but every time I see the GNC in it's old
         | location, I still get nostalgic. Part of life I guess.
        
         | disgrunt wrote:
         | Tucows isn't gone. They're the second largest domain registrar
         | in the world. They run OpenSRS and Hover, for example. They
         | also run Ting.
        
           | selimthegrim wrote:
           | Ting was sold to DISH in September. They may have kept the
           | ISP part.
        
             | richardwhiuk wrote:
             | It's a joint venture now apparently.
        
       | ChrisArchitect wrote:
       | The Ultimate Collection of Winsock Software - wow internet
       | history. I forgot that TUCOWS even stood for that
        
         | canada_dry wrote:
         | Back from the days when hotmail.com stood for HTML mail.
        
           | ChrisArchitect wrote:
           | bunch of years before that... but wait, did hotmail really
           | mean that?! Not sure I've ever heard that! Or at least also
           | forgotten that. Feel like when MS acquired they didn't
           | promote/brand it like that so the HTML connection was lost
           | (even tho it was obviously a website/webmail etc) :)
        
       | _joel wrote:
       | Where will I be able to download my winsock.dll apps now though?
        
       | laumars wrote:
       | I didn't even realise Tucows were still around. Man I loved that
       | site in the 90s.
       | 
       | So long and thanks for all the fish :'(
        
       | TedDoesntTalk wrote:
       | > Old sites are a maintenance challenge and therefore a risk.
       | Maintaining the Tucows Downloads site pulls people away from the
       | work that moves our businesses forward.
       | 
       | This is the larger tragedy.
        
         | devmunchies wrote:
         | do you even use their download site? nobody does anymore. To
         | keep it up would be hoarding. We can archive screenshots and
         | move on.
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | rado wrote:
       | The second best thing after print magazines' CD-ROMs... also
       | extinct :-<
        
         | obscura wrote:
         | Agreed! I used to love exploring those discs, which were jam-
         | packed with new demos and utilities, or new games or add-ons
         | for existing ones.
        
       | firecall wrote:
       | It's funny how you never know when your last visit to a site will
       | be!
       | 
       | One day it's your go-to site for things, the next it's not on
       | your radar.
       | 
       | Maybe search engines, mobile, and app stores all contributed to
       | changing the .
        
       | throwaway5752 wrote:
       | "The Ultimate Collection of Winsock Software" ... For a company
       | that's now the 2nd large domain name registrar, started and sold
       | a successful MVNO, and runs a fiber internet service it's been a
       | crazy ride. I had no idea the download site was still up. That
       | and Sourceforge were so important at one point.
        
       | pjmlp wrote:
       | Now that is a name I had almost forgotten about.
       | 
       | Like many I had plenty of downloads from there, back in the day,
       | on the university connection.
        
       | danans wrote:
       | Though it is now headquartered in Toronto, it is interesting to
       | note that Tucows was originally founded in Flint Michigan, the
       | only internet company I'm aware of that comes from there.
        
       | josh2600 wrote:
       | Elliott Noss is super smart and humble. Left a huge impression on
       | me when I met him way back in the day as a youngster. He had
       | nothing to prove at all, just super bright and very fun to talk
       | to; I met him at a tradeshow and he spent 30 minutes with me just
       | because he thought our product was cool.
        
       | ryeguy_24 wrote:
       | Wow, nostalgia, it's been years since even hearing about Tucows.
       | Tucows was a huge part of my childhood from 10 to 18 years old.
       | Good run and great early repository for software. Thanks Tucows.
        
         | user3939382 wrote:
         | I register my domains through hover.com to support Tucows. It
         | happens to be an excellent registrar.
        
         | ai_ja_nai wrote:
         | I remember downloading GetRight download manager from there.
         | Aeons ago, truly Internet 1.0.
        
         | pmiller2 wrote:
         | Speaking of nostalgia, I remember downloading Trumpet Winsock
         | from Tucows way back when....
        
         | solomonb wrote:
         | Me too! I miss the era of the internet that Tucows represents.
        
           | MisterTea wrote:
           | I miss the walnut creek days of ftp.cdrom.com. Many an id
           | demo and FreeBSD isos downloaded. Before that I knew of them
           | from actually buying their CD's in the mid 90's before we had
           | the internet.
        
             | mdtancsa wrote:
             | my fingers still have muscle memory for "ftp ftp.uwasa.fi"
             | which I think pre dated cdrom.com (for me anyways)
        
             | alfiedotwtf wrote:
             | Memories!
             | 
             | There was a time where you could replace "www" for "ftp"
             | and in most occasions there would be a file listing!
        
             | chrisdhal wrote:
             | I was a maintainer of a FAQ that was posted to
             | news.answers, which in turn was mirrored at Walnut Creek.
             | They would send maintainers free CDs of the archive
             | periodically. Good times.
        
             | core-questions wrote:
             | I remember getting Windows 95 on the Internet, not having a
             | browser, but having the command line FTP client built in
             | and FTPing to cdrom.com to download a copy of Netscape so
             | as to be able to get browsing.
        
               | cairoshikobon wrote:
               | Windows has and still does an excellent built-in FTP API
               | also that was very handy. It works even on Windows 95 all
               | the way to Windows 10.
               | 
               | https://docs.microsoft.com/en-
               | us/windows/win32/api/wininet/n...
               | 
               | Downloading from HTTP has always been messy, specially
               | for big files. The FTP API been always rock solid.
               | 
               | Edit: Apparently the Gopher API is also still available!
               | 
               | https://docs.microsoft.com/en-
               | us/windows/win32/api/wininet/n...
               | 
               | and even has websites!
               | 
               | In January 2020, Veronica indexed 395 gopher servers,[16]
               | within which it indexed approximately 4.5 million unique
               | selectors.
               | http://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw?gopher/0/v2/vstat
        
             | meepmorp wrote:
             | I still have my copy of Walnut Creek's FreeBSD 2.2.3
             | distribution, a double CD set with Beastie on the front.
             | And we had the internet back then, it was just over a 28.8
             | modem.
        
               | xtracto wrote:
               | Haha me too! It was such an amazing thing for me, a 12
               | year old in 1994 _in Mexico_ to actually receive the
               | FreeBSD CDs with all the nice paraphernalia (beastie
               | stickers and whatnot) on it. A friend of my family bought
               | it for me because he was happy I was into computers at
               | that age.
        
         | pxlpshr wrote:
         | Same!! So many fond memories of the early web. I miss what was
         | that "new frontier" feeling.
        
           | ryeguy_24 wrote:
           | How do we get that feeling again? Where is the newness today?
           | I miss that feeling so much.
        
         | alfiedotwtf wrote:
         | So say we all
        
         | NDizzle wrote:
         | Yep. It was one of your first stops after you reformatted
         | Windows. Like you, I haven't heard about them in a long time. I
         | haven't thought about them in a long time, either. Guess that
         | means Windows got more stable? I don't reformat anymore...
        
           | cogman10 wrote:
           | Adding windows defender by default has gone a LONG ways in
           | fixing windows.
        
             | benbristow wrote:
             | Well Windows 7 (and Vista?) had it by default but it was
             | pretty useless. Basically a user-friendly GUI to the
             | firewall with very basic anti-virus. Microsoft released
             | Microsoft Security Essentials (MSE) which was the precursor
             | to what we see now built into 10. It's come a long way.
        
         | markandrewj wrote:
         | This brings up memories for me also. I was under the impression
         | that Tucows was founded in Canada though, because their
         | headquarters is in Toronto. Although most people know them for
         | their download site, they have also always been a pretty big
         | domain registrar. According to wikipedia, they are the second
         | biggest at the moment.
        
         | SummerlyMars wrote:
         | A former coworker of mine went to work there, and my immediate
         | thought upon learning of this was "The download site?"
         | 
         | It turns out they're doing pretty well for themselves. They
         | might not have much brand recognition these days, but they're a
         | much bigger company than I thought.
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucows
        
           | mikejarema wrote:
           | Union Square Ventures invested in them a few years back, and
           | blogged about their rationale and some info on where Tucows
           | is/has been headed as a business:
           | 
           | https://www.usv.com/writing/2017/02/tucows/
        
           | slg wrote:
           | I have used Hover for years. I don't really do anything too
           | complex with them, but I have no complaints which is
           | basically the best endorsement I can giver for a domain
           | registrar.
        
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           | quietbritishjim wrote:
           | > In 2000, Tucows acquired Linux Weekly News.
           | 
           |  _What?_ I had no idea.
           | 
           | There's a reference too [1]. The next article [2] in that
           | series (which was a retrospective about five years later)
           | goes on to say:
           | 
           | > Meanwhile, by this time [2002], Tucows had come to terms
           | with the fact that its acquisition (and ongoing operation) of
           | LWN was not helping it, given the directions its business was
           | taking. So, after some discussion, LWN was unacquired - it
           | was given back to its creators, with Tucows holding on to a
           | small piece just in case.
           | 
           | [1] https://lwn.net/Articles/264980/
           | 
           | [2] https://lwn.net/Articles/265813/
        
             | corbet wrote:
             | That was a while ago at this point, back when the download
             | site was still a significant part of what they did.
             | 
             | The acquisition was at the end of the dotcom boom, and we
             | had several options to choose from. We ended up with Tucows
             | for a number of reasons, but right near the top was the
             | fact that they seemed like truly decent and honest people.
             | That decision, I think, is a big part of why LWN still
             | exists today.
             | 
             | The end of the download site is definitely a moment in
             | nostalgia...but in truth I didn't know they were still
             | running it. Tucows has long since moved on; I'm glad they
             | are doing well.
        
               | snoshy wrote:
               | Reading TFA, that was exactly the sense I got: a wistful
               | announcement that a cherished part of the Internet was
               | maintained for years beyond most of its users even
               | noticed, and is being closed down. It seems readily
               | apparent from their actions and words that they truly
               | seemed to care about Tucows Downloads, whatever it might
               | be worth financially.
               | 
               | Glad to get to the comments and see further reinforcement
               | of that feeling. It seems you had a great read on them as
               | people. Kudos.
        
               | breck wrote:
               | Seeing "TUCOWS" was like smelling something I hadn't
               | smelt in decades. I barely remember what it was, just
               | have positive associations with that word from my child
               | hood. Very cool to read that I'm not alone in that.
        
           | selimthegrim wrote:
           | They did sell their Ting Mobile division to DISH the other
           | month though, so some retrenching has apparently been in
           | order.
        
         | Svperstar wrote:
         | >Tucows was a huge part of my childhood from 10 to 18 years
         | old.
         | 
         | Same. One of the first places I downloaded software in the mid
         | 1990s
        
         | tomjen3 wrote:
         | For me it seems like a decade or two, but that can't be right
         | because I haven't had internet that long.
         | 
         | Maybe it is just that it was a different life and therefore it
         | seems like that long ago?
        
           | BuildTheRobots wrote:
           | They've been hosting downloads since 1993. That's more than
           | two decades, and certainly a couple of lifetimes ago for me
           | :)
        
       | tambourine_man wrote:
       | Tucows and, the more Mac focused, Version Tracker, where a huge
       | part of the early Web.
       | 
       | Besides finding new stuff (which was awesome), in those days you
       | had to manually check in those sites to see if there were new
       | versions of your apps. I'd be very surprised if you told me back
       | then that we're all OK with apps calling home to check for
       | updates regularly.
        
         | dmurray wrote:
         | > I'd be very surprised if you told me back then that we're all
         | OK with apps calling home to check for updates regularly.
         | 
         | I think we'd have thought of that as a great development. "In
         | the future, you'll automatically get bug fixes and new features
         | in your programs as they're released." What's not to like?
         | After all, you already trust the developer (the programs were
         | not typically open source).
         | 
         | The justified distrust we have now for software vendors
         | shipping "features" that benefit them rather than us came much
         | later.
        
           | tambourine_man wrote:
           | Trust changes. Software owners do as well. It was also common
           | back in the day to keep running old versions of your apps for
           | whatever reason. It's much harder and sometimes not possible
           | these days.
        
       | obscura wrote:
       | Haven't thought about Tucows in many years... I used to love
       | exploring it to find new software to try out. There were so many
       | interesting utilities and such to enhance Windows 95/98. Would
       | love to give it one last browse. Ah well! Thanks for the good
       | times, Tucows.
        
       | war1025 wrote:
       | I own several domains that I registered through Hover.com .
       | 
       | I noticed the billing statement always comes through as from
       | Tuwcows Corp, but I didn't realize Tuwcows was it's own thing
       | that existed apart from just Hover.
       | 
       | According to Wikipedia, its been around since 1993, so a relative
       | dinosaur on the internet. Wild.
        
       | anthony_barker wrote:
       | One of the early success stories in Toronto based internet
       | companies (besides ISPs).
       | 
       | Hover is pretty good. It looks like their fiber business is
       | growing too.
        
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