[HN Gopher] Six-exoplanet system challenges theories of how plan...
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       Six-exoplanet system challenges theories of how planets form
        
       Author : dnetesn
       Score  : 36 points
       Date   : 2021-01-26 11:01 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | rbanffy wrote:
       | "Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known." - Carl
       | Sagan
        
       | gmuslera wrote:
       | Could it be a message? Why to send from place to place a radio
       | signal when we could set up a bunch of planets in an
       | improbable/impossible regular configuration to be noticed from
       | everywhere during a very long time frame?
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       | Probably it is the argument of several existing science fiction
       | books.
        
         | rbanffy wrote:
         | "We were"
        
         | Razengan wrote:
         | That is exactly what happens in Star Control II. One of the
         | most satisfying Easter Eggs I found on my own.
        
           | philsnow wrote:
           | are you talking about the rainbow worlds pointing corewards,
           | or something else?
        
         | TeMPOraL wrote:
         | Star Trek: Picard did that with _stars_ recently.
        
         | svachalek wrote:
         | Yeah the Pierson's Puppeteers in Ringworld (1970) did something
         | like that, and I'm sure there are others.
         | 
         | But in this case I just don't think this is weird enough, it's
         | probably more a matter of tweaking planetary formation models.
        
         | ardy42 wrote:
         | > Could it be a message? Why to send from place to place a
         | radio signal when we could set up a bunch of planets in an
         | improbable/impossible regular configuration to be noticed from
         | everywhere during a very long time frame?
         | 
         | Intuitively, for signalling purposes, setting up six planets in
         | a weird orbital configuration to attract attention seems like
         | it would take WAY more energy to do. Also, it tells you nothing
         | about how to reply to the hail.
         | 
         | Though I could see it as some kind of solar system-sized
         | monument.
        
       | macintux wrote:
       | I was born in 1970. Had you told me in my teenage years that we'd
       | have supercomputers in our pockets, I'd have probably been
       | skeptical, but had you told me that we would be not only
       | discovering planets in other systems but measuring their density
       | and composition I'd have assumed you were drunk.
        
         | varjag wrote:
         | It took me a while to realize my younger peers have no
         | recollection of times when we didn't know if the planets
         | existed outside our solar system at all. Now it's like the
         | obvious part in the Drake equation, mind-boggling.
        
           | TeMPOraL wrote:
           | I was born late 1980s and I think by that point we still
           | didn't have any evidence of extrasolar planets...
           | 
           | ...but damn if it wasn't bloody obvious there must be some.
        
             | TheGallopedHigh wrote:
             | The first time we discovered an exoplanet was in the late
             | 90s orbiting I believe a binary pulsar system.
        
               | TeMPOraL wrote:
               | I'd assume people had some some indirect evidence before.
               | I remember some noise about exoplanets during my teenage
               | years - there was a Polish astronomer[0] involved in the
               | first discovery. But I thought to myself, surely everyone
               | expected this to happen? I was later surprised to
               | discover that even in the 90s, people seriously believed
               | there were no extrasolar planets.
               | 
               | (Perhaps theirs was the more scientific position, and I
               | was just a nerd biased by science fiction stories. But
               | then, I was taught the Sun was just another star, and if
               | God wanted our solar system to be special, surely He
               | wouldn't need to create more planets than just the Earth?
               | I guess I had some intuition for Occam's razor before I
               | knew it by name...)
               | 
               | I only got a more complete picture of the timeline of
               | discoveries much later in life, from this video[1].
               | 
               | --
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               | [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksander_Wolszczan
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               | [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gai8dMA19Sw
        
             | varjag wrote:
             | Believe it or not people used to argue that planetary
             | formation can be super rare or even a set of conditions
             | unique to our system. Not quite unlike the current
             | narratives about extraterrestrial life.
        
             | dvfjsdhgfv wrote:
             | I remember my teachers mocking me when I was saying that if
             | the Sun is a star it's rather logical there are planets
             | around other stars and that the view that they don't exist
             | is the extreme one, but I was scoffed at that this is "pure
             | speculation" and "science fiction".
             | 
             | On the other hand, when seeing a model of atom and solar
             | system for the first time I was convinced reality is a set
             | of layers with the micro- and macrocosm being just the two
             | closest ones we're able to perceive, but I'm far less sure
             | of it now.
        
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       | reedwolf wrote:
       | I wish Musk/Bezos/Branson et al would spend their billions on
       | colossal space telescopes rather than Mars vanity projects.
       | Imagine being able to image the surface of an exoplanet...
        
         | TeMPOraL wrote:
         | That's like saying, "I wish the government was spending money
         | on constructing stuff up the mountain, instead of vanity
         | 'roads' that lead to it".
        
         | anchpop wrote:
         | Any progress on "Mars vanity projects" directly helps the
         | project of colossal space telescopes. The reason the James Webb
         | Telescope is so expensive is because old spaceships didn't have
         | enough cargo volume to hold the telescope unfolded, so they had
         | to create an incredibly expensive and error-prone unfolding
         | mechanism. SpaceX's Starship is big enough to hold the JWT
         | unfolded - something that would dramatically lower costs on any
         | future telescope of the same size or bigger.
        
       | LatteLazy wrote:
       | Video simulation of the system I found on YouTube:
       | 
       | https://youtu.be/-WevvRG9ysY
       | 
       | It's incredible to me that within my lifetime we've gone from
       | "planets around other stars might not even exist" to "here's a
       | list, you want rocky or gas, big or small, habitable zone or
       | not?"
       | 
       | Also, as always, xkcd:
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       | https://xkcd.com/1298/large/
        
       | sradman wrote:
       | > The new research has revealed that the system ["TOI-178, a star
       | some 200 light-years away in the constellation of Sculptor"]
       | boasts six exoplanets and that all but the one closest to the
       | star are locked in a rhythmic dance as they move in their orbits.
       | In other words, they are in resonance... A similar resonance is
       | observed in the orbits of three of Jupiter's moons: Io, Europa
       | and Ganymede.
        
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