[HN Gopher] Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts ___________________________________________________________________ Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts Author : shinkim0914 Score : 106 points Date : 2021-01-28 17:04 UTC (5 hours ago) (HTM) web link (www.shinkim.io) (TXT) w3m dump (www.shinkim.io) | brdd wrote: | During a pandemic, the only roles that you can hire for are ones | that are remote (by definition, more or less). So this is not | really charting a "shift". The question is, post-pandemic, will | _new_ roles continue to be permanent remote or will they | gravitate back towards office roles? | | As someone who has posted many remote Who is Hiring posts, I know | that they've had little bearing on our company's decision process | to move new roles back in-person or stay remote. | shinkim0914 wrote: | In the data, I've seen companies marking jobs that are remote | only during the pandemic as "onsite", "COVID remote", "remote | until COVID is over". I've classified those type of posts as | _NOT_ remote in this analysis. For example, I 'd assume if you | are a NYC based company, and want everyone to be onsite after | the pandemic, you wouldn't hire someone from Alaska without | sharing the onsite expectation upfront (i.e. marking your job | post as "onsite"). | skeeter2020 wrote: | That's not what the GP is saying though. You won't even | bother posting to fill a job that can't e done remote, so you | need to consider the volume of postings as well as the | composition. | shinkim0914 wrote: | That's a fair point that the overall volume needs to be | considered. And during Apr-Jul it was true that hiring | volumes were subdued, and it is likely that onsite-centric | companies simply weren't able to hire at all. However, job | post volumes exceeded pre-pandemic volumes from August and | onwards. This suggests that there was actually a change in | behavior. The job post volume charts didn't make it into | the article but can be viewed here: https://docs.google.com | /spreadsheets/d/1jlLJkZJz3NBeyjylzTYA... | pieterhg wrote: | "A recent IBM survey found that 61% of workers want to continue | working from home permanently even after the COVID-19 pandemic | is over." https://mytechdecisions.com/facility/ibm-61-want- | permanent-r... | | Some other surveys show a considerable percentage of business | owners, executives and managers at companies think the same. | | I can attest to the growth. I run a job board called Remote OK | and you can see the explosive rise in job posts and revenue | here from around May 2020: https://remoteok.io/open | eli wrote: | That's funny coming from IBM | | https://qz.com/924167/ibm-remote-work-pioneer-is-calling- | tho... (2017) | [deleted] | 908B64B197 wrote: | The best thing we did was bite the bullet and stop hiring remote | folks using some CoL metric invented by HR. | | The pool and quality of candidates we interviewed pretty much | went up overnight and we started getting a lot of quality | internal referral. | shinkim0914 wrote: | To clarify, your company didn't stop hiring remote, it just | stopped making a cost-of-living adjustment to salary offers to | remote candidates? Did management also increase salary for | existing employees who lived in ow CoL areas? | 908B64B197 wrote: | We stopped making cost-of-living adjustment to salary offers | to remote candidates. | | Wasn't a company-wide move however. | offtop5 wrote: | I'm all for this, I might even be able to move to a cheaper | country and do the full digital nomad thing. I sort of want to | find a way to save a minimum of $100,000 per year in order to | retire within the next 10 years. | | I definitely could see the government creating incentives to get | people back to work. The big issue of people no longer commuting, | is millions of people working auxiliary industries which are | getting screwed right now. The guy who works at the cafe next to | your office, the landlords who own buildings, even car mechanics. | | I suspect by the end of 2021, we'll see more 50% work from home, | particularly for new engineers. | onion2k wrote: | _I suspect by the end of 2021, we 'll see more 50% work from | home, particularly for new engineers._ | | I like remote working, and I've done it on and off for more | than 2 decades. It suits me. | | In my experience, mentoring junior devs and new hires on my | projects is _much_ harder for everyone involved when you 're | not in the same office. Sometimes you're lucky and get someone | who'll speak up and ask questions when they get stuck, but | often ( _especially_ with juniors) people will just try to | figure things out on their own in order to not look bad at | their job or incompetent or something. Some devs would rather | spend a whole day on a problem and only bring it up in the | following day 's stand up than show they can't solve it alone. | That is really bad for a project. I find I have to poke the | quieter juniors regularly on Slack just to make sure they're | OK, but then people get annoyed about being micromanaged. This | is something I really want to solve... | wikibob wrote: | Check out Puerto Rico. | | Only jurisdiction in the entire world where an American tax | subject can go and pay ZERO federal income tax. | izacus wrote: | > I'm all for this, I might even be able to move to a cheaper | country and do the full digital nomad thing. I sort of want to | find a way to save a minimum of $100,000 per year in order to | retire within the next 10 years. | | As someone from a "cheaper country", a crazy amount of these | jobs dries out when they figure that they'll need to deal with | your tax/labor law employment situation. | | There's still plenty of remote work, just make sure you don't | go into this completely blind. | offtop5 wrote: | Okay, cheaper American city ! | thatfrenchguy wrote: | Sadly most american cities are cheap for a reason, unless | you're into suburban life obviously. | dudul wrote: | One of these reasons is often the lack of jobs. Suburbs | are actually often fairly expensive since they try to | bring the good of the country (individual houses, bigger | lots) closer to the city where good jobs are located. | offtop5 wrote: | Actually I found Chicago to be extremely affordable, and | really lively. The absolute friendliest people on earth. | | If remote work holds up I expect to see San Fran's real | estate market, at least it's rental market collapse | shinkim0914 wrote: | The cost of living in Chicago is amazing for a Top 3 | metro. My theory has always been that the winter weather | discount is baked into the CoL. | pchristensen wrote: | Chicago has a wealthy, top-tier global city of 500k | inside a depressed Rust Belt city of 2.5M. There's | significantly less economic and population pressure on | the core global city. | offtop5 wrote: | Such a great place, I try to tell, particularly young | people how important picking the right city is. If you | pick a bad City, you're going to end up not being able to | afford to live your life will be needlessly stressful, | you won't be able to find a partner. But if you pick a | good city live can be pretty good | 908B64B197 wrote: | > As someone from a "cheaper country", a crazy amount of | these jobs dries out when they figure that they'll need to | deal with your tax/labor law employment situation. | | Why not make your laws more friendly? | izacus wrote: | It's not about friendliness, it's about difference. As soon | as the legal situation changes, many companies immediately | get cold feet. | dghlsakjg wrote: | Reforming an entire country's tax and employment law to | enable a few hundred people to work for companies too lazy | to comply with the law is impractical at best. It's an edge | case, and many of those laws are there to protect workers | anyway. | | Frequently the issue isn't so much that compliance is | extraordinary difficult, it is that there is no section in | the HR manual for handling it, and they don't want to deal | with it. Most of the time it would take two days of labor | at most, and a small percentage of the employee salary to | make it kosher. In Canada it is so common that there is an | entire industry that will arrange legal employment of | Canadians by foreign corporations with no local presence. | Most US companies don't even want to hear about how easy it | is to comply. | rhacker wrote: | We need to convert the "ice-cream trucks" of my youth into | drive by coffee shops... lol - except without the music, more | like an app saying they're coming. Free business idea if anyone | is listening. Put your order in on the phone. | shinkim0914 wrote: | Yes! Drive-by Blue Bottle coffee trucks please!! | sensitive-ears wrote: | We already have that where I live. It's an espresso machine | in a van, they drive by offices in the morning and then stop | and parks and other communal spots during lunch | dont__panic wrote: | Espresso trucks/vans seemed to be a big thing in the EU | when I lived there, but don't seem to have much of a place | in the US. Maybe it's due to the low walkability of the US | and tendency to travel via car? Or maybe it's hard to get | the licensing for it? | DonHopkins wrote: | I just wish they'd bring back milk delivery, like in the old | days, but 24/7. | | I ran out of cream for my coffee at 3AM in Amsterdam. But of | course there's a 24/7 nitrous oxide delivery company in | Amsterdam: | | https://amsterdamlachgas.com/ | | I'm not a customer, but I would only consider it if they'd | actually deliver fresh cream without any nitrous oxide at | 3AM, to keep up the pretense that the N2O was actually | intended for making late-night whipped cream. | | But no, they brashly deliver incriminating accessories like | balloons and "Slagroomspuit" dispensers. But no cream! Fuck | that. | | https://amsterdamlachgas.com/lachgas-toebehoren/ | | Somebody should start a 24/7 milk and cream delivery service. | DeliverMOO! | | I think you could make a killing delivering 24/7 fresh milk, | cream, and dairy accessories like breakfast cereal and | chocolate mix. | austincheney wrote: | From looking at various HN comments working from home is | appealing due to only one factor: personality. It appears | economics, commute, child care issues, martial status, and other | personal indicators are largely irrelevant. People that can | handle being away from social interactions appear to love working | from home while people who need social interaction do not | regardless of whether all other personal indicators are | stressors. | wobbly_bush wrote: | Or perhaps those are the most vocal people. The other people | might just be trying to wait things out instead of being | particularly vocal about it. | 11thEarlOfMar wrote: | Very interesting take. | | Would be cool (and likely even more dramatic) to see the chart | going back 10(?) years. | shinkim0914 wrote: | Indeed! :) | parentheses wrote: | HN who's hiring represents the most progressive companies. The | numbers are deceiving. Though the shape of the chart is still | correct | parentheses wrote: | HN who's hiring represents the most progressive companies. The | numbers are deceiving. Though the shape of the chart is likely | correct | shinkim0914 wrote: | I agree that the directional trend is more important than | absolute numbers. Though I will say there are a fair number of | traditional employers hiring on HN (e.g. Disney, NASA, Oracle, | USDS). | stakkur wrote: | This would seem to be a lagging indicator, not a predictor. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2021-01-28 23:01 UTC)