[HN Gopher] Google Cloud announces VM Manager: Operate large Com... ___________________________________________________________________ Google Cloud announces VM Manager: Operate large Compute Engine fleets with ease Author : alexrustic Score : 84 points Date : 2021-01-28 17:27 UTC (5 hours ago) (HTM) web link (cloud.google.com) (TXT) w3m dump (cloud.google.com) | XorNot wrote: | My only question is if this is getting an AWS-like key-value | store tied into their KMS offering? The big value of AWS System | Manager was actually just having a secure key-value store tied | into AWS IAM auth. | zachberger wrote: | Like the GCP Secrets Manager? | | https://cloud.google.com/secret-manager | ransom1538 wrote: | I just get some random hard to debug crash. Is this production | ready? | | [root@docker-test-image-1 ~]# sudo systemctl status google- | osconfig-agent | | ... | | Started Google OSConfig Agent. Jan 28 20:25:22 docker-test- | image-1 OSConfigAgent[25491]: 2021-01-28T20:25:22.8732Z | OSConfigAgent Info: OSConfig Agent (versi> Jan 28 20:25:26 | docker-test-image-1 OSConfigAgent[25491]: | 2021-01-28T20:25:26.2589Z OSConfigAgent Error inventory.go:57: | pack> Jan 28 20:35:33 docker-test-image-1 OSConfigAgent[25491]: | 2021-01-28T20:35:33.3380Z OSConfigAgent Error inventory.go:57: | pack> | WaxProlix wrote: | A lot like AWS Systems Manager, it seems. | kristianpaul wrote: | AWS took years to launch Cloud Shell, and now Google is catching | up with System Manager equivalent. Fair cloud! | Twirrim wrote: | I wouldn't be hugely surprised to find out there's a Gartner | points requirement for such features. | | Underneath that magic quadrant graph that Gartner publish each | year is a scoring system, x and y features are worth 1 point, w | and z features are worth 3 points, etc. etc. Typically that's | based on what other clouds are already doing, but in some | places they attempt to push features that way based on what | their market research indicates customers want. | | Clouds know what they'll be evaluated on about a year before | they're evaluated, so they know what features they need to | build during the year. Evaluation time is coming up for clouds, | so you should expect to see a bunch of features announced over | the next few months :) | logicslave wrote: | Google cloud is trash | idclip wrote: | Aah, i cant trust google services anymore, sadly. More so if | critical. | | I even treat my own gmail account with resignation these days. | | My Picasa, my rss, my google chat. | | Am i wrong to have never touched these cloud services? | | I prefer dedicated servers even over AWS, too. | | Edit: spellink | | Edit2: people downvoting me to hell .. i have to defend my | internet points a bit here .. | | How should i treat these google services if not with this | nihilism? Amazon isn't killing products. | | Ill admit to liking kube, but mostly because its open source and | "out there" where no one can kill it. Google publishing stuff | thats 100% in its control sends a shiver down my long-term- | service thinking. Add "Fleets" to it and i get a sense of dread | at the thought. | marcinzm wrote: | There's valid concerns about Google Cloud support (or lack | thereof), Google account shutdowns without notice/recourse and | Google price increases (ie: maps, kubernetes). Google shutting | down cloud given its massive revenue and likely many long term | contracts with horrible penalty clauses isn't I feel a valid | concern. | google234123 wrote: | Amazon has killed many products/services over the years... | baskire wrote: | Such as? | orf wrote: | Yes you are so totally right because a huge company scrapped a | b2c legacy acquired photo product you liked whilst merging it | with another service, they are going to shut down their multi- | billion dollar b2b cloud offering in a strategic growth market | at any moment without warning. Thank you for pointing this out! | And can I say how much I enjoy seeing this same comment | repeated on every google cloud post. | tbobm wrote: | I can not find the use-cases this might answer, is this supposed | to replace IaC tools such as ansible or Terraform? AFAIK using | standard GCE instances and updating them or re-rovisioning them | is a quite cheap operation, I'm not sure where this stands in the | whole "pet vs cattle" spectrum. I could be missing something, I | am genuinely curious about this new product. | leg100 wrote: | VM Manager is three separate services, one of which is "OS | config management", which is more akin to Ansible (or Puppet, | Chef, etc), i.e. provisioning software on a system. The other | two services look after themselves TBH. | | The OS config mangement in practice is a daemon that polls for | "guest policies" every 10 minutes. Their example policies will | give you a good idea of what it does: | | https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/os-config-management/c... | | Or better still, the `google_os_config_guest_policies` | terraform resource: | | https://registry.terraform.io/providers/hashicorp/google/lat... | | (Essentially it's pretty basic stuff: configuring package | repos, installing packages, running scripts, and copying | artefacts). | davidbrennerjr wrote: | So it looks similar to AWS Systems Manager, but only for Windows | and Linux in GCP. In their Youtube video at | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeaA66WUaaM&feature=youtu.be | they're saying however you're doing "patch compliance" whether | it's orchestration or by-hand it is still essentially being done | incrementally by hand possibly one package at a time. So instead | of using Terraform/Ansible/Vagrant to connect to GCP you can use | their VM manager to perform bulk updating of OS packages. Their | VM manager relies on agent software to connect directly to your | VM to issue system commands via your OS native console. | ROARosen wrote: | Is this intended only for VM's on GCP, or anywhere? | pm90 wrote: | This is really nice. Many/most enterprises likely still deploy on | VM's so this is likely a godsend to sysadmins/whoever has to | manage large number of VMs. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2021-01-28 23:01 UTC)