[HN Gopher] Architectural Decision Records (ADRs) (2018)
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       Architectural Decision Records (ADRs) (2018)
        
       Author : kornish
       Score  : 66 points
       Date   : 2021-02-07 08:14 UTC (14 hours ago)
        
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       | mountaineer wrote:
       | I first learned about ADRs in a course led by Michael Nygard,
       | author of the book Release It
       | (https://pragprog.com/titles/mnee2/release-it-second-edition/).
       | Since then, I've seen them used well by our Platform Team
       | (Scaling/SRE/Infra), but our product teams have not adopted.
       | 
       | Interesting to also read Nygard's post from 2011 on ADRs:
       | https://www.cognitect.com/blog/2011/11/15/documenting-archit...
        
       | vikingcaffiene wrote:
       | We just started using these at my job. I like how the approach
       | takes the conversation out of a slack thread and generates some
       | documentation to boot. The tooling ecosystem is also excellent
       | (adr-tools is awesome) and you can easily integrate stuff like
       | confluence document generation as part of your ci pipeline.
       | 
       | We've taken the approach of submitting adrs as a pull request on
       | the repo they affect (we have a dedicated repo for higher level
       | adrs) and submit the link to a dedicated slack channel so folks
       | can have a look and submit any comments they might have on the
       | proposed decision. Once everything has been hashed out, we either
       | merge the PR and get busy implementing the idea or close out the
       | PR and move on.
        
       | GSGBen wrote:
       | I started using something like these a little while back and
       | they're phenomenal. Nothing like being able to answer "what the
       | hell was I thinking 6 months ago?", or a stakeholder's "why are
       | we doing it this way?". Also great for getting a new contributor
       | up to speed. My preferred format is a simple Excel table: ID,
       | Date, Area, Decision, Reason, People Involved.
        
       | sdfhbdf wrote:
       | There is a nice discussion around a GitHub blog post about them
       | from 6 months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24146594
       | 
       | This could give some context to people hearing about ADRs for the
       | first time
        
       | ryeguy wrote:
       | How do RFCs and ADRs play together? Would you consider a
       | finalized RFC (all comments/concerns addressed in some way) to be
       | an ADR?
        
         | vaughandroid wrote:
         | We use at both in my department at work. They is some overlap,
         | but since each have different strengths I think they work well
         | together.
         | 
         | RFCs are great for capturing discussions and exploring ideas in
         | depth. You can get deep into the details if needed. ADRs are
         | all about capturing a decision. They should capture the
         | important bits of context and consequences, but without a huge
         | amount of detail.
         | 
         | In terms of the process for producing these documents, if a
         | decision is straightforward we will go straight to writing an
         | ADR. If there are multiple options or we want to explore some
         | corner cases, we'll start with an RFC. An ADR is often part of
         | he output of an RFC which reaches consensus, but not always.
         | Related RFCs and ADRs include links to one another.
         | 
         | If people are looking to get up to speed on something, their
         | first port of call is the ADRs. If they have concerns, disagree
         | with a past decision, or simply want to know more then they can
         | dig into the RFCs.
        
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       | GordonS wrote:
       | Anyone know of any OSS projects that are using ADRs?
       | 
       | I'd love to see some examples of them being used in the wild.
        
         | draklor40 wrote:
         | https://github.com/backstage/backstage
         | 
         | Makes it easy to understand the reasoning behind a lot of
         | decisions.
        
           | doctor_eval wrote:
           | I haven't seen backstage before and it looks awesome. Thanks!
        
         | jph wrote:
         | Yes this open source repo:
         | 
         | https://github.com/joelparkerhenderson/architecture_decision...
         | 
         | See the `examples` directory for real ADRs, such as for CSS
         | frameworks (e.g. Bulma), secrets storage (e.g. Bitwarden,
         | Vault), programming language stack (e.g. Typescript, Rust),
         | etc.
        
         | _nhynes wrote:
         | https://github.com/oasisprotocol/oasis-core/tree/master/docs...
         | 
         | This one was my first exposure to ADRs. I liked how they went
         | with something standard instead of doing the blockchain
         | traditional X Improvement Proposal (BIP, EIP).
        
       | The_rationalist wrote:
       | IMHO Architecture is a too vague term, there can be many
       | decisions that will be user facing and that doesn't alter the
       | "overall architecture" of the software. Calling them Technical
       | decisions records or simply decision records would be better and
       | less cargo-culting prone.
        
       | dijit wrote:
       | I tried using these multiple times (I even know a contributor to
       | this endeavour) but I always struggled with what the scope should
       | be.
       | 
       | For a little bit of context, I work with server architecture in a
       | role that used to be defined as sysadmin, then devops and now
       | SRE.
       | 
       | But there's many decisions a day and there is a huge trade off in
       | having many records (which become essentially write-only as
       | nobody will trawl through) or too few (which leave some gaps or
       | become very large).
       | 
       | Has anyone found a good threshold for what should be a new ADR
       | from an ops perspective.
        
       | ta988 wrote:
       | I'm interested in those kind of software related processes
       | documentation approaches. If you have other similar things I
       | would be happy to check them out.
        
       | baconforce wrote:
       | Regardless of whether one chooses to use ADRs or not, recording
       | the factors that went into a major decision is a great practice
       | which can help counter the tendency to use Resulting. That is, we
       | have a tendency to judge whether or not a decision was sound
       | based on the outcome, rather than all the factors and conditions
       | that made up the decision at the time we were making it.
        
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