[HN Gopher] Typing, RSI, and what I do differently ___________________________________________________________________ Typing, RSI, and what I do differently Author : robotmay Score : 37 points Date : 2021-02-11 17:27 UTC (1 days ago) (HTM) web link (senryu.pub) (TXT) w3m dump (senryu.pub) | anderspitman wrote: | My physical therapist's best guess is that I have pinched radial | nerves in both arms. Things that have helped the most: | | 1. Stretches and nerve glides every couple hours. | | 2. Ergo keyboard[0], focused on separation so my arms are more | squared with my body, and on keys that are easy to press (no more | mechanical keyboard for me). | | 3. Foot pedals for CTRL/SHIFT/ALT. I hacked together[1] a custom | solution with an arduinio and a couple industrial pedals. | | My advice is start working with a PT as soon as you notice any | pain or numbness in your arms or hands. I'm to a sustainable | point now but I should have taken action months before I did. | Maybe I could have beat it completely. Still hoping I will at | some point. You're probably going to need to take some serious | rest. It can be hard with deadlines or other work pressures, but | try to think long term. | | A gram of prevention is worth a kg of cure. | | [0]: https://kinesis-ergo.com/shop/freestyle2-for-pc-us/ | | [1]: https://github.com/anderspitman/ergo-pedals | lamename wrote: | I developed some RSI in my right followed by both wrists/fingers | last fall due to overuse and poor body/hand/arm posture. | Thankfully it relieved with lots of rest, but heed your body's | warnings lest it become permanent! | | I took 4 days off in the middle of reaching a deadline just to | correct my ergo setup, and the rest combined with learning really | helped. | | 1. Take breaks! I know it sucks, I was on a deadline. But you'll | be cursed with 0 deadlines later (out of work) if you push it too | far. | | 2. A vertical mouse is better than a standard mouse because it | moves the pressure from your sensitive, soft tissue under your | wrist to the side. But your arm/wrist isn't immune there either. | This prevents strain in my wrist now, but during an intense | period, it doesn't help. Assuming you get the right trackball, | trackball > vertical mouse > standard 'flat' mouse. | | 3. The best sources I've found are a little outdated in terms of | webpage but in the end helped me immensely! The Cornell Human | Ergo lab [0] is a big site with lots of useful information, | namely a quick snapshot of roughly idealized setup with points | like negative keyboard tilt [1], and a checklist for yourself | [2]. | | 4. A trackpad is in some ways better for your arm position than a | mouse, because it's closer to your body's midline. Of course, a | track pad can be worse on your fingers/hand. | | 5. Your ergo setup and body is a system. Even if you make one | objectively positive change, this may result in undue pressure on | another part of your body. Watch your aches and pains and adjust | each accordingly. This usually takes iteration, or changes | throughout the day (i.e. time split standing vs. sitting; time | split using mouse, trackball, pen tablet). | | Edit: #6 it goes without saying but is worth emphasizing: get | regular exercise, sleep, and eat a balanced diet. These 3 go a | long way. IME even brief brisk walks during breaks were better | than simple breaks away from the keyboard. | | [0] http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/ [1] | http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/DEA6510/dea6512k/ergo12tips.ht... | [2] http://ergo.human.cornell.edu/CUVDTChecklist.html | flarg wrote: | Fwiw I found dragon dictation software to be a godsend | esja wrote: | I've been typing for 36 years now (since I was a child), and have | never had RSI once, or anything close to it. | | I think it's because I never learned to touch-type "properly". I | use most of my fingers, and I type very fast, but I'm not hitting | the "correct" keys with the "correct" fingers - I'm just | following whatever comfortable patterns I've burned into muscle | memory over all these years. | | If someone asked me to describe exactly what I do - where my | hands and fingers hover, which ones hit which keys, etc., I | wouldn't be able to answer properly without first filming myself. | | I did once try to learn to touch-type "properly". It didn't feel | comfortable and started to hurt after only doing it for a little | while, so I stopped. | robotmay wrote: | This is very much my experience! When I developed RSI I | immediately went down the ergo-keyboard route, assuming I had | been doing something wrong, when in reality it was just the | change to a laptop for a long time. | | It was quite weird filming myself and looking back at it. I | never even noticed that I regularly hit Y with my left hand, | for example! | EvanAnderson wrote: | I've heard the same story from others, and it's my story too. I | type fast enough and accurately enough to get ideas out of my | head. I tried to type "correctly" way back in junior high (on a | typewriter, no less!) but found that my personal technique | (developed since first using Apple II's at 8 y/o) worked better | (even on a real typewriter). | | Thirty-six years typing this way and never any pain. | | I know what you mean re: the muscle memory being burned in. It, | no doubt, contributes to my frustration when developers change | keyboard shortcuts in systems I've used for years. When | Microsoft decided to change "Log off..." to "Sign out" (in | Windows 10? 8? I can't recall...) I lost my go-to <CTRL>-<ESC> | <ESC> <ALT>-<F4> <L> <ENTER> shortcut for logging off. Now I | have to look at the screen to make sure my <S> isn't getting | "Switch User", "Sign Out", "Sleep" or "Shutdown". (I guess I | was the only person in the world who found the keyboard | shortcuts for those choices being dis-ambiguous to be | valuable...) | Diederich wrote: | I've been typing on a daily basis for the past 41 years. I took | a typing class 36 years ago, and have continued to type | probably 90-95% 'properly' ever since. This class paid off by | the way, and my accurate typing speed peaked at around 140 | words per minute. | | Like you, I've been blessed with never having any hint of RSI. | | I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but I think the whole | 'RSI landscape' is, as with most things, very complex, | including a lot of poorly understood or currently unknown | factors. | xyzzy_plugh wrote: | Interestingly enough I only really touch-type "properly" with | my left hand and that's the one I experience RSI symptoms in. | polyterative wrote: | I had a very bad episode before touche typing and several less | severe after colemak. Sheer workload seems to be the cause | eimrine wrote: | I saw the gif from your website and you are not touchtyping. | robotmay wrote: | Er, I am touchtyping, unless we have very different | understandings of the term. I look at the screen when typing, | or can type whilst holding a conversation with somebody. I can | even look at the screen whilst holding a camera under my chin | in order to film it ;) | eimrine wrote: | As a touchtypist, I can not understand how can you touchtype | while not holding your index fingers on FJ keys with sensible | relief. I feel very uncomfortable if neither left nor right | index finger touches those keys. And instead of having rest | on the buttons, your fingers are flying, which is ridiculous | from my point of view and requires an unusual level of | stamina. Sorry if I am wrong, just the animation is very | different from my experience. | nickjj wrote: | > In my personal experience I found home-row typing to actually | be unergonomic mostly because of the additional bend required | from moving both hands closer together. | | I've always thought this too. | | I've been typing a lot since about 1996 and never got into home | row typing. It never felt natural or comfortable and I don't have | abnormally sized hands either. It just felt like going against | the system. | | I don't want to jinx myself but over the decades I've experienced | no pain or issues with any joints or muscles but I've always made | sure no matter what desk I used my forearms were parallel to the | floor and my wrists were effortlessly resting in front of the | keyboard. I think this aspect cannot be ignored, especially for | long sessions. | | Then for typing style I mainly move my hands around while I type | with my all of my fingers except pinky fingers. Where like 80% of | typing is done with thumbs, index and middle fingers. Overall I | have lots of hand movement and can type without looking for just | about all key presses (except some combos) at about 70-75 wpm | with good accuracy. | | Based on his video, my hands move probably 2x more from side to | side but the overall style is kind of similar. It's also similar | in the sense that my right hand moves more than my left. | MAGZine wrote: | this rings true actually. | | I had a friend who typed with just the three fingers on the | right hand while the left hand hovered all of the most | essential letters with all five fingers. it seemed to work | pretty well to just have one hand hunting around the keyboard. | That said, it might making correct shift-usage correct which | can negatively affect the other hand. | | That being said, I have my laptop on my lap right now and if I | have one hand on home row, and the other hand just kind of idly | floating over the right side of the keyboard, when you go to | place the fingers on home row, you can really feel in the wrist | and forearm the muscles pulling the hand "outward," in relation | to the rest of the arm. This, incidentally, is where a lot of | my RSI-type pain has come from. | | The elbows going out, fore arms craning inwards, and then the | wrist pulling to straighten the hands back out is a recipe for | pain. | robotmay wrote: | The thing that always confused me about home-row typing is that | it seems oddly hard to hit Enter. My only guess to that is that | it works better with an ANSI keyboard than with an ISO | keyboard. | | I also found I type rarely with my pinkies, and in fact I do | pretty much only use them for Ctrl + Shift. Using the Shift on | the opposite hand from the target key most of the time took | some practice but I think lends itself well to not having to | over-stretch the pinkies :) | 5tefan wrote: | I never learned touch typing. I am a free floater myself. Rather | trying to split the load evenly between my hands. Touch typing | position puts a strain on my wrist. | | Incidentally I also own a Topre board. I also have my trackball | to the left and I have to reach out less to move the pointer. To | the right I would have to cover additional distance and the arrow | keys and num pad... I felt that in my shoulder, hence the change | to the left. | | I also don't hate myself if I make a break or typying more slowly | occasionally. | ericbarrett wrote: | I had a brief but serious bout of RSI in my right wrist in my | early 30s. Ergo keyboards and novel typing layouts didn't help at | all, nor did a wrist brace. What eventually relieved it was a | trackball (which the author of this article also used) and a | wrist pad for that hand. I avoided normal mouses, trackpads, and | the IBM/Lenovo "mouse nipple," going so far as to bring my | trackball with my laptop. | | I've switched back long since, for precision, but the RSI never | returned. Definitely check out trackballs if keyboard mitigations | aren't helping. | | Also, buy wrist rest pads! | Xevi wrote: | Which trackball did you use? I have tried almost every | different kind of ergonomic keyboard / mouse alleviate my pain, | but I haven't tried trackballs yet. | robotmay wrote: | I have a Logitech MX Ergo which I quite like, which is a | thumb trackball. I'm not sure how that compares to finger- | trackballs though as I've never owned one, but a few friends | have things like the Kensington one and like it a lot. | Xevi wrote: | Alright, thanks. I've looked at that mouse before but I'm | afraid that the ball will wear out my thumb even more. | Maybe it's worth a shot though, or maybe I should go for | one of those Kensington trackballs that you use your whole | hand with. | robotmay wrote: | Yeah it's a shame they're all quite expensive really and | thus quite hard to try a few different ones longer term. | A vertical mouse might also be worth investigating | perhaps? | | One thing I like about the MX Ergo is that it's very easy | to use reclined with it on your chest, which sounds odd | but can be good when you're just clicking about. | throwaway_moo wrote: | This is not excellent advice regarding the keyboard used. | Instead: | | - learn about the risk factors: https://kinesis- | ergo.com/solutions/keyboard-risk-factors/ Keep in mind that there | are hundreds of tendons in our hands, so the pattern of | inflammation is very personal. Anecdotes are not your friend. | | - use split keyboards (or any ergo keyboard with enough space | between hands) with inclination to limit pronation | | - use ortholinear (aka matrix) key layout | | - use the Dvorak layout | | - avoid hard/mechanical keys | | - exercise and stretch every 30 mins | accelbred wrote: | Typing on ortholinear is quite uncomfortable for me. I find | column staggered to be far better. Also why would someone | learning a new layout pick Dvorak when there are better | alternatives like Colemak, Workman, or Colemak mod-DH? Theres | softer mechanical keys too like silenced linears. | lawn wrote: | While I agree with your points I'll add that Dvorak is far from | the ultimate layout. For instance just try to type 'ls', which | as a command-line user you'll do a lot. | | People are different and will prefer different layouts. Colemak | DH is a very popular and very good one, if you dislike using | your pinkies the BEAKL style layouts are very good and if you | have a split keyboard you might want E on one of the thumbs so | RSTHD might be good. There are many, many more and you can also | tweak them or create a completely new one. | | Oh I'll add tenting as a good thing explore. | eimrine wrote: | Your argument about Dvorak is far from the ultimate layout | because of "ls" utility is strange. I think it is really best | layout and in regular typing "ls" is rare. If "ls" case | bothers you, you can just add an alias. What you can not get | in any other layout is alteration of right and left hands, | that is what makes Dvorak ultimate. | Symbiote wrote: | alias h=ls alias hh='ls -l' | | Job done. | | I strongly disagree that Dvorak is "far from the ultimate | layout". Compared to Qwerty, the differences between most of | these ergonomic layouts is minor, so there's no reason to | discourage someone from using Dvorak. | | My immediate minor criticism of Colemak-DH is typing "the", | or specifically "he". | | It's a "backwards roll" of the fingers: typing ASDF on Qwerty | is easier than typing FDSA, but "HE" on Colemak-DH is a | common digraph in the wrong direction. | | (On Dvorak, "THE" is equivalent to typing "KJD" on Qwerty, | i.e. the "TH"/"KJ" is in the correct direction.) | robotmay wrote: | The article does address both split keyboards and ortho-linear | layouts. I disagree with both, personally. | | Interestingly the Kinesis article you link supports the | arguments I make in the article, but their solution is | obviously a split keyboard because that's what they sell, | rather than offering an alternative typing style. My typing | style avoids all the risks they identify. | throwaway_moo wrote: | > My typing style avoids all the risks they identify. | | From the article: "This is the Way" | | Also: "The hands should move freely over the keyboard" | | These are good examples of why we should not listen to advice | based on a single example of RSI and contradicts the | conclusion "no universal solution for everybody" | | A lot of people experience contraction and sometimes pains in | the shoulders, trapezium, arms due to moving the hands over | the keyboard instead of not doing so. | | It's a well documented problem. | robotmay wrote: | Ah perhaps it's not clear enough that those 3 items are my | own ideals and I wouldn't claim them to be correct for | everybody. The article exists precisely because I was | seeing comments arguing entirely to the contrary, such as | "movement is bad", which I know to be wrong for me. | | There is a lot of cognitive bias towards the one way of | solving RSI (buy an ergonomic keyboard) which then | frustrates those for whom it doesn't work. I'm hoping to | offer a different experience which worked for me. | jarnagin wrote: | A lot of people really underestimate the impact that mobility and | strengthening can have addressing issues with RSI. If you're | struggling with RSI, consider going to physical therapy as your | condition may be caused by a wide variety of issues that aren't | obvious based on the pain you're having. | | My own experience was that I dealt with ulnar nerve RSI for about | a year. During that time I wore braces at night and tried just | about every keyboard and keyboard layout imaginable, and at best | I managed to keep it at bay. When I finally made up my mind to go | to physical therapy I learned that: | | 1. I had postural issues which led to trapping the ulnar nerve in | my shoulder (not my wrist, that was just where the pain referred | to) | | 2. I had deep myofascial issues that were preventing my muscles | and nerve from moving freely in my arm | | 3. I had poor mobility which was contributing to decreased | function overall | | Where I thought I had a localized problem in my wrist, it turned | out I had a systemic problem which required strengthening through | my entire arm, shoulder, back, neck, and core. I resolved these | issues through physical therapy and my ulnar RSI hasn't returned | since, though I now maintain an exercise routine that focuses on | mobility. I still use an ergonomic keyboard, but I'm now | convinced that the issue can't really be solved with gear. | vgel wrote: | Same, I had horrible RSI in my wrists and went to a hand | therapist (just a physical therapist who specializes in hands). | She made me some thermoformed wrist braces to wear at night and | gave me wrist massages which felt awesome, but the main thing | she did was prescribe a set of simple wrist exercises which | take about 2 minutes to do. I did them every day and my RSI is | much better. I still can't do certain things that require 90deg | wrist bends that support a lot of weight (mostly pushups), and | I'm planning to go back after covid to continue improving, but | I can actually type fine for 8 hour+ stretches at a time with 0 | pain afterwards. | | Most of the ergonomic typing stuff I see online is 100% bunk | IMO. People spend tons of money and time on ergonomic keyboards | and relearning how to type on different layouts just to buy | wrist rests and type with their hands tilted up 15 degrees. | Eek. | azinman2 wrote: | What are the exercises? | AQuantized wrote: | What sort of exercises do you do to help with this? I've been | finding it very hard to work on shoulder strength, especially | the scapula, without just impinging it more | Xevi wrote: | I'm also interested in knowing this. On top of that I would | like to know how often they exercise and for how long. I | found that doing strength training helps a bit, but the | relief I get from it is only temporary. I try to do it a bit | every day but I guess I could increase the amount each day. | jarnagin wrote: | I actually needed a few weeks of body work and mild exercises | to teach me how to correctly engage my scapula before I | graduated into more rigorous exercise, and I still require | work to keep my infraspinatus from feeling like a steel | cable. Things that helped the most: | | - Prone T's/I's - Cat Cows with thoracic spine emphasis - | Child's pose - Open Books - Supine Chin Tucks - Dead | bugs/Bird dogs - Upper trapezius stretch - Levator scapulae | stretch - Quadruped open book - Foam rolling back (every few | days) | | These all caused pain at various points, but as I learned to | keep my shoulder rooted in the socket and learned how to | correctly engage my scapula (pull down and back rather than | up and back) I was able to do them without pain. I also | learned to listen to my body and skip things for as long as | needed when I wasn't feeling right. Pushing through nerve | pain just leads to more pain. Your body will adjust | eventually, but it will do it at its own pace. | | EDIT: | | 1. Exercise frequency: daily/as tolerated | | 2. I also scrape the muscles in my inner forearms with a | fascia release tool (butterknife, but you can find real ones | online) a few times a week and this helps tremendously. | robotmay wrote: | I can heartily recommend folk music and ridiculous | instruments ;) | | But more seriously, I did tai-chi in the past and found that | a very reasonable low-impact way of developing strength in | various areas. | LukeShu wrote: | Copying an older post that I wrote | (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20665338) in case it helps | anyone (as the OP writes, there's " _no universal solution for | everybody_ "): | | ---- | | I (25yo), also had pain in my right pinky and wrist, starting | about 2 years ago. | | I spoke with a friend who had surgery for Carpel Tunnel Syndrome, | and knew a lot more about this than me. What he told me: | | * Carpel Tunnel Syndrome affects the thumb/index-finger; pain in | the pinky side of your hand could be caused by the ulnar tunnel | or the cubital tunnel. | | * He does sets of 10 of these stretches every hour | https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cl-rpkmgPqI/UeUWdH4oMUI/AAAAAAAAA... | https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8a/a4/2c/8aa42cc5c059cabf9aeb... | | * "One of the biggest things you can do is splint your wrist at | night. This is one of the best wrist braces I've found: | https://www.amazon.com/Mueller-Fitted-Wrist-Brace-Number/dp/... " | | My experience: | | - I got a foot pedal, and put Alt, Ctrl, Shift, and Enter on it | (and for a while pulled those keycaps off the right side of my | keyboard, to force myself to learn to use the foot pedal). This | allowed me to keep using a computer while I recovered, and | allowed me to avoid stressing my pinky after I recovered. I wrote | a bit about that on Reddit | https://reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/7remed/has_anybody_used_... . | | - The tendon gliding exercises were very helpful. The other | stretches didn't seem to make much difference. While I was | recovering, I tried to do them hourly. I now only do them if it's | acting up. | | - I second his endorsement of those wrist braces. When using | them, I wear them at night, and when typing if I can (I can use a | desk keyboard with them, but can't use my laptop with them). | While I was recovering, I used them all the time, now I only use | them if it's acting up. | | - More recently, I got a Keyboardio Model 01, which puts the | modifiers on the thumbs, not the pinkies. The foot pedal is | entirely unnecessary with it; it puts much less strain on my | hands. | | Nowadays, my wrist acts up maybe once a month or two. | shocks wrote: | IME wrist braces don't help, they just lead to muscle atrophy. | | I picked up rock climbing and my RSI hasn't come back since. | LukeShu wrote: | I suspect that most of the value I got from them was wearing | them while sleeping, in that they protect the blood flow to | my wrists from being cut off by me lying on my arms. | d6e wrote: | My doctor said the same thing. Only use braces while | sleeping. | twobitshifter wrote: | I recently bought a Microsoft ergonomic keyboard. It's a split | design but still one piece. It took me about a week to get used | to. As a touch typist I had one key that Microsoft stuck on the | left, that I type with the right, B, which is dead center on the | bottom row on a usual keyboard. I don't know which hand it | canonically belongs to but it didn't take me long to switch. | | I purchased this more proactively and it's probably unnecessary. | I did get RSI symptoms while working preCOVID. When I switched to | work from home, I used my Microsoft media keyboard and Logitech | mxMaster mouse. The RSI went away. We briefly returned to the | office and within a week I was getting pain in my right hand | again. The office mouse was a cheap flatter Logitech mouse with | no tilt or thumb test. I believe that mousing about was the | actual cause of my RSI and that the improved grip of the mxMaster | was enough to fix it. Like OP sometimes it can just be small | changes. | test1235 wrote: | supposedly the b key belongs to the left 'cos columnally(?) | it's below the g key | dwdz wrote: | I'm using this[1] and I love it. Adding 1 column of spacing | between two hands is real game changer. I've tried Colemak and | Workman before but I found qwerty-wide to be more comfortable | than both of them. It's also much easier to learn, especially if | you're Vim user. | | [1] https://www.keyboard- | design.com/letterlayout.html?layout=qwe... | ping_pong wrote: | I guess everyone is different. For me, laptops especially the | MacBook help. The mouse was the problem for me, and when I | started getting RSI over 20 years ago, I discovered that when I | used a pen-type mouse, everything cleared away. It was because I | was using the mouse at the side of the keyboard and that was | causing my wrist to twist, which ended up aggravating the nerve | in the wrist that ran up and down my arm. | | I ended up typing on an ergonomic keyboard, with my mouse in the | middle. Whenever I need my mouse, I would push away my keyboard | and use the mouse where the mouse is right in the center with my | hand slightly askew at a similar angle to where I write with a | pencil. This prevented the nerve from being twisted, and my RSI | has largely gone away since then. | | The MacBook keyboard with the mousepad also in the middle seems | to work well for me as well. The main thing is ensuring I don't | twist my hand away away from my body that causes the nerve to get | compressed. | superjan wrote: | By far the best ergonomics advice I got was: do what feels | natural to you. For me that's a trackball, and home row typing | with my lower arms resting on the table. I have had episodes | where I was dangerously close to RSI, but after that last piece | of advice those troubles were over. For a while, I stockpiled | Trackman marble trackballs, but the MX ergo is finally a good | successor. Split keyboards did not make that much difference. And | watch out with weak laptop keyboards: if the keys go too easy, | you increase muscle tension to avoid typos. | melling wrote: | First saw this Using Python to Code by Voice almost 8 years ago. | | https://youtu.be/8SkdfdXWYaI | | I'm disappointed that we've gone nowhere in that time. | | Anyone with early symptoms could use voice as an option, or | partial option. | lunixbochs wrote: | We've gone places in that time. There's Talon (my full time | project), Dragonfly/Caster, and Serenade at least. Voicecode | also came and went. | | My goal with Talon is to give people at all ability/pain levels | a high quality free keyboard/mouse alternative - you can use it | preventatively, or if you start to feel discomfort, or if you | can't type at all. | | I also linked some more recent talks / blog posts in this | comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26118864 | elanning wrote: | I have suffered from fairly bad RSI/tendonitis issues since my | early 20s. Now a days I have a split keyboard and use wasd keys | for my mouse, which is slower, but causes less pain. I would not | wish this kind of pain on anyone. It has greatly negatively | impacted my life. Hopefully future treatments will give some | help, the current treatments are very lackluster. | Xevi wrote: | That makes two of us. For the last year I have considered | abandoning my job as a developer. 8 hours in front of the | computer 5 days a week really wears you down. I do find | temporary relief after having exercised. But the pain quickly | returns if I start working again, even if I have a standing | desk, ergonomic keyboard, touchpad and mouse. | elanning wrote: | Sorry to hear. I hope you find something that works for you. | I wish I could help, but like me, I'm sure you've already | researched most solutions. | Xevi wrote: | Yes I spent a considerable amount of money to upgrade my | workstation to be more ergonomic. But I still have a lot of | things left to try. It kind of hurts to spend $400+ for a | single keyboard though, haha. | | I have even thought about buying a Mac just to be able to | use the built-in Voice Control feature. But they are really | expensive, and the new Mac Mini didn't have enough ports | for my monitors. | lunixbochs wrote: | My project, Talon, is free and cross platform. It might | have some options that can help you: | https://talonvoice.com | | Some blog posts: | | - https://www.joshwcomeau.com/blog/hands-free-coding/ | | - | https://www.admiralbumblebee.com/music/2021/01/18/Reaper- | Day... | | - http://nsaphra.github.io/post/hands/ | | Some talks: | | - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKYWt8B9hgs | | - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKuRkGkf5HU | | - https://media.ccc.de/v/rc3-11436-accessible_input_for_r | eader... | Bishop_ wrote: | Yup, I have had tendonitis in my forearms since I was 19, hurts | pretty much all the time. Still not sure if i'm ever going to | get rid of it or if I need to just keep dealing with it. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2021-02-12 23:00 UTC)