[HN Gopher] Website scores kill our success, waste our time ___________________________________________________________________ Website scores kill our success, waste our time Author : AuthorizedCust Score : 28 points Date : 2021-02-20 16:53 UTC (1 days ago) (HTM) web link (www.arencambre.com) (TXT) w3m dump (www.arencambre.com) | viseztrance wrote: | On stackoverflow you can spend your reputation on bounties for | certain questions (niche, difficult) that would otherwise get | ignored. | | Personally I spent about 1000 reputation points on those, and | some of the answers were surprisingly good. | amarant wrote: | Is this guy saying you can't pay rent with internet points? | | Huh... | tyingq wrote: | I think there are some web scores that are actually useful. The | ssllabs one comes to mind. | onion2k wrote: | HN karma isn't important? I've wasted my life. | amelius wrote: | Scores often don't just benefit the website owners, but arguably | also the other users (and thus also you). Without karma, HN could | be a different place. | tyingq wrote: | I think the initial ramp of karma up to whatever the threshold | is to allow downvotes is helpful. I'm not sure it has much | actual utility past that. | bigwavedave wrote: | > I think the initial ramp of karma up to whatever the | threshold is to allow downvotes is helpful. I'm not sure it | has much actual utility past that. | | I have to agree (at least, in my case). I know that when I | first started here, I was a lot more reactionary and | frequently found myself wishing for a way to downvote people | who disagreed with my perspective, but I couldn't act on that | immaturity because of the required ramp up. I'm still human, | I'm still reactive- but instead of just saying "I disagree; | you're canceled," it's forced me to take a moment and | actually focus on both perspectives and the merits that other | paradigms offer. I'm not anywhere close to perfect, but it's | certainly helped me grow :). | undefined1 wrote: | I think scores on github, stackoverflow and HN may be a net win | for all concerned. | | Twitter and Facebook scores on the other hand... a massive net | loss for all but Twitter, FB, their employees and shareholders. | kodah wrote: | I'm not really convinced GitHub scoring is realistic or even | really representative of much. Kubernetes has tons of stars, | yet how many stars do all the packages that Kubernetes consumes | have? The ingredients and the arrangement of the parts are | often more important than the whole; yet look who is rewarded. | | HN scores, to me, stop mattering past about 500, maybe 1000. By | then you should know the guidelines, how to conduct some proper | discourse, and should have dropped baggage from previous | websites like Twitter or Reddit. | Taylor_OD wrote: | I like having more green boxes than not on github. But at | least 10% of my little green boxes are just commits little | nonsense commits I made for the sake of getting a green box. | | Is a potential employer ever going to look over every one of | my commits to see what percentage are meaningful? Nope. Will | a potential employer look and see a lot of green boxes and | think that makes me more qualified or passionate? You bet | your ass they will and have. | | Is that good? I don't think so but I'll keep doing it as long | as it helps me get paid. | MaulingMonkey wrote: | > Is a potential employer ever going to look over every one | of my commits to see what percentage are meaningful? Nope. | | What they'll do instead is look at a semi-random sampling | of your repositories and commits. They don't need to look | at every commit to get a statistically meaningful sampling | of what your commits look like, and they can look at even | less to get a vague, rough idea of what you're up to. | eivarv wrote: | "When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good | measure". | | That's not to say anything about any beneficial side-effects, | though. | | [0]: | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law#Generalizatio... | aeturnum wrote: | The sociologist in me suspects that scoring systems are popular | because they instrumentalize interaction in a sufficiently | ambiguous way to do work for many audiences. It's really useful | that comment scores have vague relationships to a lot of socially | important qualities (interest / sentiment / etc). I 'use' changes | in my HN karma as a cue that someone is interacting with one of | my comments. For me the karma system could be totally replaced by | reply notifications - but others might use it differently. | | Keeping the score system basic leaves each person to have | whatever thoughts they want about their karma without the website | telling them how to feel. There's a dark pattern aspect to this | where web sites can foster unhealthy levels of interaction while | saying that's not what they intended. There's also an emergent | behavior side where scoring systems are used in ways the makers | can't predict. | theamk wrote: | Those scores are a part of the game, but that doesn't mean they | are meaningless. They are just as meaningful as goals in soccer, | or stats in RPG, or gold coins in platformer games. | | That means: realize this is a game, understand rules, and decide | if you want to play this game for the score. If not, don't waste | time of them. If yes, don't forget to periodically re-evaluate if | this game is still worth your time. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2021-02-21 23:00 UTC)