[HN Gopher] The Victims of the Eviction Moratorium
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       The Victims of the Eviction Moratorium
        
       Author : jseliger
       Score  : 27 points
       Date   : 2021-02-23 21:38 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | daniel-thompson wrote:
       | Clearly some landlords are getting hurt due to some tenants
       | taking unethical advantage of the situation. But I think we need
       | to wait to draw broad conclusions until this can be
       | systematically analyzed at the macro level, rather than doing so
       | from the one-off anecdotes in the article.
        
         | testfoobar wrote:
         | Landlords are part of the financial system. Deciding landlords
         | must take the loss on rent so that their tenants can be safe is
         | sensible health and social policy during the acute uncertain
         | phase of the pandemic last year. That uncertainty is now gone.
         | 
         | If the government wants to house people in rental properties
         | indefinitely, then the government can pay to do so at the
         | prevailing market rates.
        
       | tomg wrote:
       | I don't understand how a waiter and a home-care provider can
       | afford to buy a rental property that is apparently worth charging
       | $80,000/yr in rent. I'm in the wrong business!
        
       | ceejayoz wrote:
       | As with much of the US pandemic response, a half measure with
       | significant consequences.
        
         | testfoobar wrote:
         | The sad part is how politicians and organized groups are
         | seemingly afraid to change their direction for fear of voter
         | retribution. Comparing datasets across states and regions, it
         | is not entirely clear to me which had the most effective
         | policies. I would like to see an official CDC report that
         | identifies which policies worked and which did not. I don't
         | think we're going to see a report - because it would become an
         | instant political hot potato.
         | 
         | Eviction moratoriums in 2021 - a full year after the start of
         | the crisis are nonsensical. Individual owners such in the
         | article will eventually lose their properties to deeper pockets
         | - further entrenching wealth disparity.
        
           | jedmeyers wrote:
           | > Individual owners such in the article will eventually lose
           | their properties to deeper pockets
           | 
           | How do we know that's not the actual goal of those policies?
        
       | testfoobar wrote:
       | Sad story. It is time for eviction moratoriums to be lifted. The
       | second peak of the pandemic is behind us in nearly all datasets
       | in the United States.
        
         | techsupporter wrote:
         | But is the second-wave of the economy coming roaring back so
         | that people have jobs to go to in order to pay rent behind us
         | in nearly all datasets in the United States?
         | 
         | Or would those people still be thrown out onto the street with
         | no housing?
         | 
         | Because if there's anything we need to be doing in the United
         | States, particularly on the West Coast, it's bringing _more_
         | people to homelessness.
        
       | heavyset_go wrote:
       | I find it hard to be sympathetic with people who chose to
       | overleverage themselves with their investments.
        
         | bigmattystyles wrote:
         | You could make the exact same point towards the renters who
         | were banking on their job to pay the rent. One is called a
         | mortgage while the other is called rent.
        
           | heavyset_go wrote:
           | There's a difference between working to eat, and investing.
           | Investments have inherent risk, and if you can't bear that
           | risk, don't overleverage yourself.
        
             | bigmattystyles wrote:
             | Reading the article, the owners aren't exactly rolling in
             | it and are also depicted as mostly working class. If it
             | wasn't for a global pandemic, most would have been fine and
             | they would have thought to have invested very
             | conservatively. In my mind, it's just that it's
             | convenient/expedient to make them eat the cost of unpaid
             | rent -
        
           | rob74 wrote:
           | The difference being that you can choose to take out a loan
           | and buy a house, but you can't really choose not to pay rent
           | (unless you want to be homeless of course, but that's not an
           | option I would recommend to anyone)
        
         | RupertEisenhart wrote:
         | Do you also find it hard to sympathise with people who are
         | trying to escape the trap of poverty? If I made assumptions
         | about your circumstances, would I be surprised?
        
       | bigmattystyles wrote:
       | I feel the same way about rent control. It's not fair for society
       | at large to make property owners eat the cost or the lost
       | potential income alone. I am aggressively pro rent control and
       | pro eviction moratorium during the pandemic, but I am for a
       | (progressive) tax to fund these programs. It's just unfair to
       | make yourself feel good by supporting these programs when you
       | don't have any skin in the game. I'm not naive though, I know
       | that if you raise taxes to fund these programs as a society as
       | opposed to a property owner having to fund it alone, those
       | programs will lose their popularity. This is a case where most
       | people's support for these programs is literally all talk. And
       | yes, some property owners are scum and/or large corporations and
       | people will game the system. But then you address that with
       | oversight with teeth.
        
         | pasabagi wrote:
         | What is the moral basis of rent? Rent is by definition
         | differentiated from service provision in that it is simply the
         | use of a legal right to extract an income.
         | 
         | I don't see a moral basis, so I don't see how anything that
         | impacts the interests of renters can be unfair. Bad on
         | pragmatic level, perhaps, but not a moral one.
        
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