[HN Gopher] Amazon rainforest rock art 'depicts giant Ice Age cr...
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Amazon rainforest rock art 'depicts giant Ice Age creatures' (2020)
Author : Thevet
Score : 50 points
Date : 2021-02-27 14:18 UTC (8 hours ago)
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| QuizzicalCarbon wrote:
| It's interesting that they consider those figures to be "turtle-
| type" men rather than people wearing "clothes" (vegetation,
| animal skins).
| consp wrote:
| Looks like a shorthand for what they look like at first glance,
| not what they represent, in the same sentence the researcher
| hints to a far more probable "pregnant women" as the actual
| representation. Though I agree with you it might be a bit
| sensational and therefore probably included by the author.
| awinter-py wrote:
| > image captionJose Iriarte describes this painting as either
| pregnant women or "turtle-type" men holding hands
|
| they predicted the ninja turtles
| faitswulff wrote:
| Wasn't there a story arc where the Ninja Turtles went back in
| time...?
| namenotrequired wrote:
| To me, that picture looks like baby turtles going towards the
| sea, probably a well-known phenomenon even back then
| tyingq wrote:
| Yes, like this: https://imgur.com/a/1XgKSMF
|
| The squiggles in the rock art are the ocean.
| Alex3917 wrote:
| Are those magic mushrooms growing in the mastodon poop? Where is
| Andy Lechter when you need him :-)
|
| http://andy-letcher.blogspot.com/2011/07/selva-pascuala-mush...
| mensetmanusman wrote:
| Fun imagining the dimly lit caves being used as shelter. The
| drawings were probably important to show the children some of the
| risks to expect outside the safety of the walls.
| namenotrequired wrote:
| The article does not say the drawings are in caves, and as far
| as I know, rock art in South America tends to be out in the
| open.
| mensetmanusman wrote:
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_shelter
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| The article describes these types of caves.
| jnsie wrote:
| This art shows a real lack of perspective
| ddingus wrote:
| It may be our lack.
|
| When I read your comment, my mind mused about perspective and
| context.
|
| Maybe they were telling us, others in the future about how the
| big animals were dying. People surviving.
| briga wrote:
| Perspective in art is a relatively recent invention--it didn't
| really become widespread in the West until the Italian
| Renaissance. But then the people who made these paintings
| didn't have the same visual language that we use today. So I
| don't really see it as a lack of talent from the artists,
| rather they were just using a different set of visual tools to
| make their art.
| aksss wrote:
| Generally true, though you do see it employed in Lascaux cave
| paintings.
| https://archeologie.culture.fr/lascaux/en/perspective
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| And linear perspective/DoF/foreshortening shows up in Ancient
| Greek art and the Ajanta caves in India, amongst other
| examples.
|
| Understanding rules of perspective is an advanced skillset.
| I'm not sure I'd equate it to raw talent as it's a learned
| skill, and once learned may or may not be employed. I'm not
| sure if the artists in the Amazon rainforest had the skillset
| and were making a choice to not employ it. Art skills do
| develop with leisure time and patronage, and in that sense
| this art was less developed in a broad sense. That shouldn't
| take away from it though - they communicated ideas in ways
| that were recognizable - as you said, their visual language.
| I find the choices they make in sizing elements of an animal
| pretty interesting. More to their credit, they survived under
| extremely harsh environmental challenges and found some time
| to paint.
| yesenadam wrote:
| I was excited to see it, but..what that link shows,
| strangely, isn't use of perspective.
|
| "The reserve technique involves leaving an uncoloured space
| between two anatomical segments that are normally joined or
| superimposed. The idea is to optically dissociate two
| planes that are found at two different depths."
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| Like, when painting two black animals and one is supposed
| to be behind another, use a white outline to differentiate
| their forms. Nothing to do with perspective, which is
| characterized by foreshortening.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_(graphical)
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| That page does mention one kind of perspective not using
| foreshortening - _aerial perspective_ , "the technique of
| creating an illusion of depth by depicting distant objects
| as paler, less detailed, and usually bluer than near
| objects." That does seem like a different thing though! Not
| one word of the 5 paragraphs in the Overview applies to
| "aerial perspective".
| wombatmobile wrote:
| Perspective is in the eye of the beholder.
| BrandoElFollito wrote:
| I wonder how the archeologists came out with the fact that what
| is drawn is drawn at scale.
|
| Proper relative scale in drawings is a (relatively new invention.
| When you look at ancient drawings, they are often out of scale
| for ego reasons (Egiptian art for instance), or just nobody cared
| (European Middle-Age).
|
| We sure have other cases where the scale is more or less correct
| (Romans) but without more references than localized paintings I
| have doubts about teh ability to draw conclusions.
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