[HN Gopher] Little League wants all your information
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Little League wants all your information
Author : ColinWright
Score : 69 points
Date : 2021-02-28 20:38 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| bruceb wrote:
| People complain about data harvesting (and I don't want mine
| harvested either) but would would also balk at paying the "true"
| cost of some things if the data being sold subsidy was removed.
|
| Shorter: You get what you pay for.
| kstrauser wrote:
| Your contention is that Little League would be more expensive
| if they weren't allowed to sell your financial records?
| kstrauser wrote:
| Oh hey, Hacker News! This is my post.
|
| I'm not strictly allergic to proving that I live in a certain
| place, so long as the evidence is securely deleted afterward. I'm
| _very_ opposed to the idea that they can share all of those
| records with any of their partners or sponsors as they see fit.
| For example, "proof of residency 3" includes financial or medical
| records. Suppose that Large Corporation donates $1,000 to Little
| League. Per the privacy policy, Little League could share those
| financial or medical records with them. Nuts to that.
| hirundo wrote:
| I'd be OK with this if "trusted sponsor" meant Bob's Plumbing,
| and Bob's the second baseman's father who bought the team's
| uniforms. Sure, let Bob have my email so he can try to sell me
| a tankless water heater. But it's as likely that they're global
| corporations selling horrible products that damage our kids'
| health and shorten their lives, like Coca-Cola. And we're
| handing them a sheaf of vectors to insert their promotional
| material into our every crevice.
| quotha wrote:
| I hear ya- we just had to go through this whole process and
| thought it absolutely ridiculous, but didn't feel had much
| choice since we'd like our kids to be able to play.
| kstrauser wrote:
| That's exactly where I'm at. I really, _really_ didn 't want
| to do this, but if I don't then my kid can't be on a team
| with his friends. That's a crummy deal.
| Spooky23 wrote:
| I think this is just poorly written, or written to fit all use
| cases. There is a lot behind little league, and it's not
| obvious until you get into it.
|
| I was on a little league board. In my state, we had pretty
| strict background check requirements, and those providers were
| the "trusted partners" that were given sensitive information.
| Now, little league volunteers are mandated reporters in New
| York, so the government gets information for training
| enrollment.
|
| The school enrollment information was used for eligibility...
| the eligibility requirement was to live or go to school in the
| territory. It frequently came up for kids in private school
| outside the zone or kids in shared custody arrangements. There
| are many edge cases, especially with shared custody, foster or
| arrangements where "easy" forms of required information just
| isn't available for various reasons. Most "nuclear" families
| provided a birth certificate and any letter from a utility,
| bank or tax bill.
|
| Age is very important for leveling kids appropriately and
| keeping them safe, which is why birth certificates are required
| -- parents are insane and go to extreme lengths (I personally
| encountered forged documents, parents who delayed entry into
| kindergarten to age 6, bogus documents from siblings or
| cousins, etc) to try to let older kids play in younger levels.
| It's a hazard for an 11 year old to pitch or hit against 8 year
| olds. Little League is used as a way for folks to get kids into
| elite travel teams, etc.
|
| Marketing stuff was totally different and may vary by league.
| We wanted all communications to our folks to go through and be
| approved by us. "Bob the plumber" could hand out flyers, get an
| ad or have a blurb in an email campaign. The big companies
| (currently GM, Gatorade, Honda in my region) just push
| materials down and use contests to get personal data.
| sdan wrote:
| I was in Little League around 10 years ago and my parents are
| certain it was them who sold our info (SSN included) to
| advertisers since we got all sorts of junk mail and email all the
| time right after I joined. I'm surprised they're still doing it
| nowadays.
| kjakm wrote:
| Is "Little League" a national organisation? I always assumed it
| just meant a kids baseball game and that would be something run
| by the local community. If it's the former...why does such an
| organisation even need to exist?
| kens wrote:
| I also had always assumed that Little League was just local
| kids baseball, but it's a big organization that goes back to
| 1939. It has millions of members, its own official rules,
| rating system, World Series, board of directors, TV partners,
| and museum. It even has a federal charter in US law.[1] It's a
| bit alarming to discover that something you thought was casual
| turns out to be a giant organization.
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| [1]
| https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title36/sub...
| omni wrote:
| Among other things, it organizes a yearly international
| tournament https://www.littleleague.org/world-
| series/2021/llbws/
| ape4 wrote:
| Why do they "need" 3 proofs of residency?!
| adjkant wrote:
| I'm reminded of the scene in The Politician where they aren't
| letting a high school student vote for student body president
| because she doesn't have her school ID on her by saying "if we
| let anyone vote, they would just bus in kids from other
| schools". Feels like about the same level of importance.
|
| I suppose you could theoretically have all the best players
| apply for the league in one area to try and game the system to
| have the best team for the little league world series, the
| horror!
| throwawaygulf wrote:
| I'm just starting to forge documents for this garbage. School
| records? Easy, download them, change my address to one a few
| miles away in the same city, change a few numbers of my SSN, etc.
| Same goes for utility bills, financial records, etc.
|
| Fuck the data miners. The isn't even criminal to do because I'm
| not defrauding anyone. The address is still one in my city. They
| never do any actual verification so it always works.
| bombcar wrote:
| What's even more asinine is that the big credit burros already
| provided identity as a service -- I guess they don't want to
| pay for that.
| Spooky23 wrote:
| That costs a lot of money.
|
| "They" don't pay -- "you" as the customer pay.
| edoceo wrote:
| Those jackasses!
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