[HN Gopher] Watchy: The Hackable $50 Smartwatch
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       Watchy: The Hackable $50 Smartwatch
        
       Author : ystad
       Score  : 65 points
       Date   : 2021-03-02 20:53 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
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 (TXT) w3m dump (spectrum.ieee.org)
        
       | ourcat wrote:
       | I have a couple of the PS30 LilyGo 'TTGO T-Watch 2020' ESP32
       | based 'watches'. Lots of fun to tinker with and has a colour TFT
       | touchscreen which introduced me to the very impressive lvgl
       | library to create UI. But the battery life is not great (though
       | that teaches you how to write and use deep sleep modes).
       | 
       | An e-ink display would naturally help with the battery life, but
       | the screen refresh times can be an issue for some ideas beyond
       | telling the time.
        
       | xtiansimon wrote:
       | Funny the picture shows a subway exit. One of the apps I want
       | from a smart watch is a compass. I work(d) in NYC and I'm always
       | turned around when I exit the subway at an unfamiliar stop.
        
         | johnjboren wrote:
         | When I lived in NYC during the Summers of 2005 and 2006 I
         | carried a real compass for this exact purpose.
         | 
         | Walking a block in the wrong direction before figuring it out
         | was not worth going without.
        
         | dheera wrote:
         | I found compasses don't work well in NYC either. My phone's
         | compass is always wrong in NYC.
         | 
         | I really wish NYC would paint or engrave a N/S/E/W indicator on
         | the sidewalk at every subway exit.
        
       | kingbirdy wrote:
       | Why does this article not have any pictures of the watch? It only
       | has renders, even though the author supposedly has one.
        
         | seism wrote:
         | There are a few photos at
         | https://www.instagram.com/p/CLfUCmVrChY/
        
           | monocasa wrote:
           | AFAICT, those are renders too
        
             | ohazi wrote:
             | Real pictures here: https://twitter.com/sqfmi
             | 
             | (scroll down a bit)
        
               | gardenfelder wrote:
               | Great link. Shows the product has evolved from the video
               | linked elsewhere.
        
         | dandelany wrote:
         | Photo (of mine) here:
         | https://twitter.com/dandelany/status/1348224456640974850
         | 
         | Just measured it at 9.3mm thickness with the battery - but it
         | has no case.
        
         | IrishJourno wrote:
         | I'm the author of the article and the editor of the section: a
         | while back we decided to use illustrations rather than
         | photography for this section of IEEE Spectrum--it was a style
         | choice, but it gives us more options in terms of showing
         | components and process diagrams.
        
         | jore wrote:
         | There is an assembly video at https://youtu.be/PCPxTS1aF3w
        
         | mumblemumble wrote:
         | There are some on the manufacturer's website:
         | https://watchy.sqfmi.com/gallery
        
         | tyingq wrote:
         | I suspect they are having trouble with their claimed 9mm
         | thickness...thinner than the Apple watch.
        
       | Sodman wrote:
       | Very excited for something like this! I can think of a few fun
       | projects to try that would be useful to me nearly everyday but
       | are too trivial or niche for an Apple or a Samsung to ever spend
       | time actually building. Some ideas off of the top of my head:
       | 
       | - Vibrate a bunch and notify me on-screen if my usual commuter
       | train is running late or cancelled (but only if I haven't left my
       | house yet). Also the same, but in reverse for my commute home
       | 
       | - One-button touch activate my IoT devices (toggle houselights,
       | garage door opener etc)
       | 
       | - Show me how many bikes/docks are left at my local citibike
       | station
       | 
       | - One-button touch to fake a phone call to my phone to get me out
       | of a meeting/conversation in a pinch
       | 
       | - Show me how many minutes until it's predicted to rain
       | 
       | Nothing life changing, but a fun side project that will continue
       | to be useful once it's finished by saving me 5-10 seconds here
       | and there!
        
       | sfRattan wrote:
       | Maybe I'm a curmudgeon, but I have subzero interest in
       | smartwatches, even hackable or open source models. I want my
       | watch to tell me the time, and I want it to do so 10, 20, and 30
       | years from now without having to fiddle with software.
       | 
       | I love Linux. I cut my teeth on it in high school after one too
       | many viruses on Windows XP made me bite the bullet and try
       | debian. I love my Raspberry Pi. It went from retro-gaming console
       | to brief dev environment to Pi-hole server. There are tons of
       | other hacked up solutions in my home.
       | 
       | But sometimes I just want a tool that does one thing, essentially
       | unsupervised, essentially forever.
       | 
       | Apple Watch, Android Wear, Pebble, and now Watchy... All these
       | devices will be e-waste in 30 years (most in less than 10). My
       | Seiko automatic will still be ticking (and, as I wear it almost
       | every day, I only wind it once or twice a year).
        
         | pthreads wrote:
         | I feel similarly. I bought a hand-wound mechanical watch. And
         | my electric blender - does only one thing i.e. blend. Then
         | there is the stone knife sharpener.
         | 
         | I am making a list of things along similar lines i.e. devices
         | that do one or two things really well, preferably mechanical,
         | well-built etc.. Suggestions?
        
         | jakecopp wrote:
         | I currently own a Pebble Time Steel, but I love the idea of
         | getting an open source watch I can build my own (very simple)
         | UI for that might outlast the hardware.
         | 
         | I guess it's a bit like the itch of building your own desk or
         | some beautiful wooden furniture - I like the idea of slowly
         | refining my own watch software until it's perfectly suited for
         | me.
        
         | jagger27 wrote:
         | I found I had to wind my Seiko far more often than that. Is
         | this because you wear it daily and the self winder keeps it
         | going? How often do you have to adjust the time?
        
           | sfRattan wrote:
           | I adjust the time maybe once every three months, which has
           | naturally fallen into a pattern that lines up with daylight
           | savings time. My watch gains at most few minutes over that
           | interval. There's a single complication for date (1-31) that
           | I adjust on the first day of every month.
           | 
           | Seiko watches aren't the absolute best, but as long as I
           | don't leave it on the shelf for more than 24 hours the self-
           | winding mechanism still works. I'd call them the Toyota of
           | watches.
           | 
           | I'm not a watch-o-phile per se (is there a better word for
           | that hobby/interest?)... More like a /r/BuyItForLife [1]
           | person. Seiko fits the bill to buy it for life without
           | spending luxury good money.
           | 
           | [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/BuyItForLife/
        
         | drewzero1 wrote:
         | I feel the same about my Casio Tough Solar. I've had it around
         | 6 years and it feels like it'll never get old. For the last
         | year or so I've been wearing a Pebble Time Steel and while I
         | appreciate the extra features I know that one day it will stop
         | working, and I'm sure my Casio will be there waiting.
         | 
         | About the Pebble -- I am definitely a fan, and haven't yet seen
         | another smartwatch with its particular appeal. After playing
         | around with a lot of watchfaces I ended up almost always
         | sticking with an analog face which I'm finding helps me
         | visualize the passage of time a lot better than a digital
         | readout.
        
         | zepto wrote:
         | Will it?
         | 
         | My guess is that you will need to have it serviced somewhere in
         | that time period.
         | 
         | I am with you in regards to how great an automatic watch is,
         | but unless your seiko has an oil-free escapement of some kind,
         | e.g. silicon or DLC coated, 40 years seems like a stretch.
         | 
         | https://www.rwsmithwatches.com/journal/roger-announces-nano-...
         | 
         | https://www.sinn.de/en/DIAPAL.htm
        
           | sfRattan wrote:
           | I'll take one servicing in that period over replacing my
           | watch every 3-5 (2-4?) years as the software becomes obsolete
           | and all support vanishes into the myopically short tech
           | upgrade cycle. It's why I say 'essentially' unsupervised and
           | 'essentially' forever. The point of comparison with
           | smartwatches is so far to the other extreme that I believe
           | the language is largely justified.
        
         | Sodman wrote:
         | Sounds like this watch is absolutely not for you then, and
         | that's totally fine! For me, in 2021, a watch needs to display
         | more than just date/time to earn a place on my wrist. I'm also
         | ok spending another $50 every 3-6 years on a new watch, that
         | doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
         | 
         | Conversely, I'm not keen on the idea of having to manually wind
         | my watch, or remembering to fix the date at the start of every
         | month.
         | 
         | More options is good for everyone though, so I'm glad both
         | exist!
        
       | dillondoyle wrote:
       | Has anyone found a good fitness metrics watch that is more open
       | source (no monthly fee)?
       | 
       | Oura looks new with no monthly subscription fee. It looks like
       | horrible to wear for serious sport though.
       | 
       | I have Whoop but will cancel the monthly fee once my intro period
       | is over.
       | 
       | But Whoop would be worth it for me if instead it would be a flat
       | price own outright + they allow 3p access to all the data not
       | just heart rate.
       | 
       | The whoop in theory is great but it doesn't capture my sport's
       | 'strain' well and the heart rate lags my treadmill band. I can't
       | verify the sleep but it seems to be more accurate at least
       | measuring my interruptions. But if it was flat rate not $30 a
       | month i think it would be good enough.
        
         | obenn wrote:
         | In development: https://www.pine64.org/pinetime/
        
       | djrogers wrote:
       | This looks interesting, but I'm always leery any time I don't see
       | any photos of the product - the linked article and it's source
       | both just have drawings. That's kinda concerning.
        
         | mumblemumble wrote:
         | https://watchy.sqfmi.com/gallery
        
       | dividuum wrote:
       | Relevant link to the project:
       | https://www.crowdsupply.com/sqfmi/watchy
        
       | airbreather wrote:
       | Lily Go have had something cheaper and maybe better, ESP-32 and I
       | think there is a LORA version, that is something worth having
       | 
       | https://www.banggood.com/LILYGO-TTGO-T-Watch-2020-ESP32-Main...
        
       | statenjason wrote:
       | For another hackable smartwatch, see the PineTime.
       | 
       | https://pine64.com/product/pinetime-dev-kit
        
       | renewiltord wrote:
       | Cool device. A bit short on the sensors, but I understand why for
       | a first iteration. Hope it's successful enough that later
       | revisions will include a few things I'm keen on:
       | 
       | * Pulse ox
       | 
       | * Continuous heartrate
       | 
       | * GPS+Compass
       | 
       | But it's a cool device anyway.
        
         | mwambua wrote:
         | Adding those would be awesome (Especially if they could still
         | keep the price under $100). The primary reason I use a
         | smartwatch is for all the health-related features. I'd
         | otherwise just wear a dumb watch whose battery will last me 10
         | years.
        
       | airbreather wrote:
       | This is a bit bigger, but GPS and LORA, accelerometer, color
       | screen, still cheaper
       | 
       | https://www.banggood.com/LILYGOTTGO-T-Watch-ESP32-Chip-Progr...
        
         | Black101 wrote:
         | There are no open LoRa alternatives yet?
        
         | mlillie wrote:
         | Comment there says they're only selling the "Basic" which
         | doesn't include GPS or LORA
        
           | airbreather wrote:
           | Search around, AliExpress as well, I think it is just that
           | particular vendor is out.
        
       | barbs wrote:
       | Looks interesting! Any word on battery life? Couldn't seem to
       | find anything...
        
         | dandelany wrote:
         | I have one... The battery life is currently OK but not great -
         | something like 55 hours. But I think this can be improved with
         | some firmware changes - and the firmware is open source.
        
           | gardenfelder wrote:
           | are those batteries available anywhere, or just form them?
        
       | geoffhill wrote:
       | For cheap esp32-based smartwatches and wristbands, I've had good
       | success with LILYGO and the esp-idf toolchain.
       | 
       | $18 T-Wristband:
       | https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000527495064.html
       | 
       | $26 T-Watch-2020:
       | https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000971508364.html
       | 
       | esp-idf: https://github.com/espressif/esp-idf
        
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