[HN Gopher] Coursera S-1 IPO
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       Coursera S-1 IPO
        
       Author : marc__1
       Score  : 73 points
       Date   : 2021-03-05 21:37 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | sgpl wrote:
       | I've actually enjoyed taking courses on Coursera, some paid, but
       | I've mostly audited stuff I've found interesting. Really hoping
       | that they're able to find a way towards profitability and exist
       | as a public company in the long run. Looking at the numbers it
       | doesn't seem like it'll be that hard.
       | 
       | They definitely seemed to have benefitted from covid in terms of
       | registered users which isn't a huge surprise. Registered users
       | from 2019 to 2020 grew by 67%, averaging around 23-24% for the
       | few prior years.
       | 
       | Revenue jumps at a similar rate from 2019 to 2020, from about
       | $184m to 293m, 59% growth.
       | 
       | 11,900 degree students at the end of 2020, with degree segment
       | revenue doubling from $15m in 2019 to $30m in 2020.
       | 
       | Some stats from the filing:                   year     users
       | revenue         2020 - 77m users / $293m         2019 - 46m users
       | / $184m         2018 - 37m users / $141m         2017 - 30m users
       | / $95m
       | 
       | 25+ degrees offered in the price range: $9k to $45k
        
       | vmception wrote:
       | IPO Fridays are back! Except it's everyday
        
       | awaythro15234 wrote:
       | Anyone know how different Coursera is from Udemy?
       | 
       | I recently took a course on Flutter from Udemy and was pretty
       | disappointed. Not with the platform per se, but with the entire
       | _idea_ of video courses on programmatic concepts. I only took it
       | because for Flutter most of the resources are videos, and not
       | books or articles.
       | 
       | I find that video courses do not invite the same level of
       | interactivity I feel when I learn from, say, a textbook. There
       | are also of course a horrible reference as one has to dig in to
       | find a specific video, then find the time within that video to
       | learn a concept, while with a book I can merely do a text search.
       | 
       | Videos also are frustrating in the fact that one cannot fluidly
       | control the pace. One can pause and resume and increase from 1x
       | to 2x and back again, sure, but with text I can merely... stop
       | reading to code something up and then when I am ready to proceed
       | I can... resume reading. I hate fiddling with a mouse or a
       | keyboard to pause/resume/pause/resume/rewind, etc.
       | 
       | Needless to say I will not be taking a video course for anything
       | programming related again.
        
         | segmondy wrote:
         | I hate videos too, but they are useful. If you're taking a
         | course that's GUI heavy it pays off. First time I decide to
         | learn iOS programming, it was great. Figuring out the exactly
         | 10 locations I have to click and in which order is faster with
         | video than any other way. So it depends exactly on what you're
         | trying to achieve. Before acloud guru had it's site, they were
         | on udemy. It was great for getting my AWS cert back then, I
         | just watched the videos and didn't have to wade around AWS
         | console to find out where things are. So for tech stuff, it's
         | really useful if what you're learning is more GUI heavy than
         | CLI heavy.
        
           | ghaff wrote:
           | Yeah, it depends. I've taken some LinkedIn (formerly Lynda)
           | courses on video editing and the like and it works far better
           | than text with photos would. But video for something that
           | could simply be explained with some bullet points is awful.
        
         | puddingnomeat wrote:
         | I also used to be very excited about online courses until I
         | experienced them as superficial when compared to books and
         | self-checks. I think the best way to learn some things ends up
         | being experiential, so something more like an apprenticeship
         | than a lecture would be the most efficient. But in reality, it
         | seems hard to find that.
         | 
         | You also find the same in, for example, college. Where a tutor
         | may be able to get you up to speed faster by 'debugging' your
         | learning.
        
           | kilroy123 wrote:
           | While I agree, I find I learn best by watching _then_ doing.
        
         | grumple wrote:
         | Coursera is significantly better in my experience with their
         | deep learning specialization. Lots of good jupyter notebook
         | work and quizzes.
        
       | granzymes wrote:
       | FY Ended December 31, in millions except percentage
       | |  2019  |  2020  |  YoY
       | ---------------|--------|--------|-------       revenue        |
       | $184   | $294   | 60%          gross profit   | $95    | $155   |
       | 63%          op ex          | $143   | $221   | 55%          net
       | (loss)     | $(47)  | $(67)  | (43)%         (loss) ex SBC  |
       | $(31)  | $(50)  | (61)%         free cash flow | $(31)  | $(27)
       | | 15%                total users    | 46     | 77     | 67%
       | net retention  | 106%   | 114%   | --
        
         | f430 wrote:
         | Price to earnings ratio is at an all time high, once the credit
         | bubble bursts, so will the investors appetite for such
         | companies.
        
       | vallas wrote:
       | The real value of education is what students do with it. I wish
       | Coursera put all the content free for users and make a living on
       | income share agreement based on a small part of users.
        
         | alexashka wrote:
         | Or maybe they can die, burn in hell and let universities record
         | their lectures with a phone and a 50$ microphone, upload them
         | to youtube, post pdfs of slides, lecture notes, etc and be done
         | with it?
         | 
         | Coursera and other 'education' companies are mostly attempts to
         | put themselves in-between government subsidized higher
         | education and citizens who already fucking pay for higher
         | education institutions through taxes.
         | 
         | This company is pure scum, let's be honest about what it is.
        
           | echelon wrote:
           | You could apply your perspective to any industry and company.
           | 
           | I think you should reframe what's being done here.
           | 
           | Coursera sees an opportunity to make money by creating a
           | market for affordable educational content. Universities do
           | not feel compelled to offer their educations for free or at
           | reduced costs, because that's how they sell their expensive
           | services to students and wealthy families.
           | 
           | You have many forces acting in a complex, multi-dimensional
           | market. Don't assume evil. Different brains, different angles
           | of attack. Lots of offenses, defenses, and interesting state
           | space landscapes.
        
       | breck wrote:
       | Key numbers in millions:                           2019 2020
       | Revenue. 184  293         Profi.   -46  -66
       | 
       | Cash in the bank: 285
       | 
       | Disclosure: IAN good at reading S-1s.
        
         | totaldude87 wrote:
         | any debt? i wonder what do they do with that much of cash in
         | hand
        
         | echelon wrote:
         | I don't see a compelling story for their product. There's great
         | educational content all over the web, much of it freely
         | available. Their credentials are worthless, and in some
         | industries may actually have negative value.
         | 
         | They lucked out with coronavirus, as that sent people
         | scrambling for distance learning. That won't last.
         | 
         | edit: Apparently folks disagree. We don't all see the same
         | things or interpret the future the same way. I think education
         | as an industry is going to go into decline, but I don't see
         | companies like Coursera as being able to thrive by feeding off
         | the corpses.
        
           | grumple wrote:
           | Companies like Coursera are the reason there is going to be a
           | corpse. I went to university, but I've also taken many online
           | courses from Coursera, Udemy, and others. Coursera's classes
           | in particular were far better than my classes at that top 25
           | university.
        
       | justicezyx wrote:
       | What's the valuation?
        
       | bschne wrote:
       | Coursera has definitely aggregated some great content, but the
       | evaluations on most of the courses if you go for the certificate
       | are ridiculous -- it works well for auto-graded programming
       | assignments, but so much of the other stuff is peer-graded with
       | lots of spammy submissions, so it's barely more meaningful than
       | e.g. a microsoft certification.
       | 
       | Does anyone have some experiences with their degree programmes?
       | Curious to hear if these are more promising...
        
         | nonameiguess wrote:
         | I'd be inclined to trust the degree programs, but can't speak
         | from personal experience. There are reputable universities
         | putting their names on the line and giving out degrees. They're
         | also cheaper than in-person degrees but way more expensive than
         | the specialization certificates. There is clearly effort there
         | and I'm sure you get real TAs grading your work and giving
         | feedback, not peers, and the classmates are people who
         | qualified to get into a MS program, not literally anyone who
         | clicked a sign up button. UIUC and Penn aren't going to give
         | you a MS if you didn't earn it.
        
         | ghaff wrote:
         | Based on my experience in a couple courses a while back, the
         | programming auto-graders were pretty good. Not perfect, your
         | code could presumably be a total tire fire but so long as it
         | produced the right answer it was OK--which is admittedly a good
         | part of the battle.
         | 
         | But, yeah, every peer-reviewed assignment and use of discussion
         | board was awful. This isn't a university where everyone is more
         | or less on at least roughly the same footing with respect to
         | language, educational level, and commitment. At least company
         | certs have to maintain some quality floor if they're going to
         | have some value for employers and therefore of interest to
         | would-be employees. As soon as they become viewed as diploma
         | mill trash they're done.
        
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