[HN Gopher] I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and ... ___________________________________________________________________ I bought 300 emoji domain names from Kazakhstan and built an email service Author : tinyprojects Score : 1200 points Date : 2021-03-11 11:17 UTC (11 hours ago) (HTM) web link (tinyprojects.dev) (TXT) w3m dump (tinyprojects.dev) | ada1981 wrote: | Missed opportunity here is to have made this free with a "powered | by emojimail" link. Give people 1 month free for every friend | they refer and after 3 months charge them for the year. | opinologo wrote: | "I cried into my keyboard forking out yet more money for a llama | emoji that I probably didn't need." | | Kudos to the author for such a fun project | rwmj wrote: | I thought IETF had banned emoji domain names after the unicode | snowman was registered? | (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2035572) | alexmingoia wrote: | I did too... I'm assuming some registrars just haven't properly | dealt with this case. | setBoolean wrote: | ICANN banned emoji gTLDs. But there are ccTLD registries that | don't fall under ICANN regulations. | ylere wrote: | Cool project! Like others noted mail can be such a pain though, | you'll need a lot of customers to make it worth keeping it | running after the first year. | | Note: In the FAQ it says the price is $5/yr, but it seems to be | $9.99 now. | vidarh wrote: | I co-founded Nameplanet. Back in '99 we registered ca. 60,000 | domains to provide vanity e-mail addresses (not at full price - | we negotiated steep bulk discounts for several TLDs). In the | end we moved on to create the dot-name TLD, and sold the e-mail | service. It took the purchaser less than a year to recoup a | multi-million purchase price by converting a tiny proportion of | the userbase to paid accounts. | | So, yes, you'll need a lot of users, but there's been a market | for paid vanity e-mail addresses for a very long time, and this | seems to be an untapped niche... I doubt he'll get rich off it, | but there's a good chance he can grow it to a size that makes | it very worthwhile. | Aldipower wrote: | This address will not work for obvious historic reasons in | Germany. | yoodenvranx wrote: | Yeah, that product is pretty much dead on arrival in Germany | | Such emails would look _very_ sketchy to most Germans | [deleted] | sieste wrote: | As a native German I have to admit that the problem with .kz | only occurred to me after you mentioned it. I'm not sure if I | should feel good or bad about this. | carstenhag wrote: | For anyone outside the german-speaking countres: | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camps -- In | german: Konzentrationslager, abbreviated with KZ. Similarly, | never use abbrevations like SS, NS, AH, HH, HJ in Germany. | Also, some of these are forbidden on our license plates. | umanwizard wrote: | Why is Konzentrationslager KZ rather than KL ? | Cockbrand wrote: | Good question! German Wikipedia says because it's got a | harsher sound to it: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konzentr | ationslager#Nationalso... | qwerty456127 wrote: | Are Buddhists and Hinduists allowed to use Swastika in | Germany? | bsenftner wrote: | The German swastika is a mirror reflection of the religious | icon, btw. | SavantIdiot wrote: | Btw, there are dozens of other occurances, not just one: | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika | | "In Chinese, Japanese, and Korean the swastika is also a | homonym of the number 10,000,..." | qwerty456127 wrote: | No, it isn't. Dharmaic traditions use both directions. | dheera wrote: | This is correct. | joeberon wrote: | Yes | qayxc wrote: | Yes they are. The Swastika is a religious symbol, the | Hakenkreuz is not. | rob74 wrote: | For the same reason, I hope he doesn't support this emoji | https://emojipedia.org/star-of-david/ - or else the service | would attract customers he might not want to be associated | with... | thrwyoilarticle wrote: | Take nazi's money and give them a broken email system in | return? Sounds win-win to me. | 0-_-0 wrote: | Jews? | | edit: nevermind, I get it now. | capableweb wrote: | Eh, you don't want the service to attract Jews or what? Star | of David is a symbol within the Jewish community. What you | are referring to is probably the "Yellow badge" that was used | by Nazis for identifying Jews. Two very different things. | | Let's not make all Jewish symbols Nazi-related, we have | enough of that already. | | Also, some soldiers wore the Star of David as a symbol of | defiance against antisemitism. So if you see someone wearing | that symbol (or using a domain with that symbol), assume they | are Jews/supportive of Jews, not that they are Nazis. | Tepix wrote: | Associating the star of david with the .kz TLD | (concentration camp) is not a good idea. | capableweb wrote: | Unless you're a avid Jew living in Kazakhstan of course. | capableweb wrote: | For us who don't have the historic context (nor understand the | reference to past concentration camps), what do you mean it | won't work? | shakow wrote: | KZ is the shorthand for Konzentrationslager, i.e. | concentration camp. | capableweb wrote: | Ok, and .kz is the ccTLD for Kazakhstan. You think people | can't realize the difference? | ben0x539 wrote: | I'm sure people can realize the difference, but I'd | expect the thought process in Germany to go something | like | | 1) hmm, they have .kz as the TLD | | 2) apparently thats kazakhstan? TIL | | 3) kinda weird that they, not being from kazakhstan, | would choose to have that as their TLD. Maybe they're | using it with another meaning in mind. | | 3.5) Let's give them the benefit of the doubt but remain | wary of potential secret nazis, as one has to, here. | atleta wrote: | It's not whether they realize what it means as per the | intent of the service provider, it's about what people | think it means for other people. Since we're talking | about an email service. I.e. I guess it's one thing to | email someone in Germany from an <emoji>.kz email address | and a completely different one to have customers (well, | at least non-neonazi ones) signing up for such and | address. Even if they do realize what kz stands for. | shakow wrote: | I'm just giving the explanation of the historical context | to GP, I'm neither German nor a lawmaker in Germany. | wongarsu wrote: | Germany is a bit over the top in this regard. When | abbreviating a name to two letters (like as an avatar or | as a short form for a newspaper author name) we usually | specifically avoid KZ, HJ, NS, SA, SS. You also can't get | those in a license plate. | | There must be some demographic which cares. I've | personally only seen people amused by it. | NullPrefix wrote: | Could you please explain HJ, NS and SA? | wtf_is_up wrote: | HJ = Hitlerjugend (Hitler Youth) | | SA = Sturmabteilung (NSDAP paramilitary org) | | NS = idk, probably NatSoc / National Socialist | Doctor_Fegg wrote: | There's a difference between "realising the difference" | and "actively wanting it as my internet identity". | ratww wrote: | Yep. If you're a German living or working in Kazakhstan | it's certainly fine to have a _.kz_ email. | | Using it as in a vanity domain like we do with _.me_ or | _.io_ , on the other hand, will definitely look weird. | growt wrote: | If you asked 100 people in Germany(!) what "KZ" stands | for the result would be something like 95 say | "Konzentrationslager", 5 say "I don't know" and 0 "ISO | code for Kazakhstan". | capableweb wrote: | Indeed. But if you ask the whole world (as we're on the | internet), 1% might recognize it as | "Konzentrationslager", 2% might recognize it as | Kazakhstan and the rest have no idea. | | So for general internet usage, I think it's fine. We're | not modelling the internet after German customs after | all. | eloisant wrote: | No we're modelling the internet after US customs, which | is why boobs are banned from mainstream Internet services | and have to hide in the porn. | | I'm not sure we're better off. | capableweb wrote: | Maybe if you frequent websites based in the US, yeah. | Otherwise no, there is plenty of boobs all across the web | and some sites don't hide porn as not everyone is as | prude as the americans. | | But there are other webs out there, speaking many | different languages and carrying many different customs. | The beauty is that if you don't like US customs, you can | usually find communities that are far away from US | culture. | growt wrote: | I just tried to explain why the .kz email-address would | be problematic for germans. I didn't propose that this | should be the general rule for all the internet. | Personally I don't have a problem if someone from another | country emails me from a .kz domain. But I wouldn't get | one myself and if the person emailing me is german I | would probably look twice to see what the reason behind | that domain choice is. | thomond wrote: | You think the average person would know what a ccTLD is | or that kz refers to Kazakhstan? | garbagetime wrote: | I think the average internet user is familiar with | country-specific TLDs. | hvdijk wrote: | I think the average Internet user is not familiar with | country-specific TLDs except for their own country and a | few others. Most people do not realise that .me, .tv, | .cc, are country TLDs, they think they are country- | independent TLDs similarly to .com, .net, .org, and in | practice they may well be used more by organisations and | people that have no relation to those countries than by | those that do. In this case even users who are aware that | they are strictly speaking country TLDs have reason to | assume the same applies: .kz was _not_ picked because of | any relation between Mailoji and Kazakhstan. It was | picked for technical reasons, but users would not know of | those technical reasons, they would have no reason to | think it was picked for anything other than .kz being | seen as a good name. | folli wrote: | i.e. Nazi Death Camp | shakow wrote: | No, concentration camp. Extermination camps were a subset | of concentration camps. | | Doesn't mean that prisoners were expected to be well | treated in a concentration camp (typically just well | enough to be productive as a slave), but they were not | directly sent to the gas chambers. | krsdcbl wrote: | we don't make too much of a distinction in Germany or | Austria in general usage of the word - while what you | point out is technically correct, pretty much everybody | here will understand "KZ" as "the whole of the nazi death | machinery" and will definitely want to avoid to append it | to their mail address in such a prominent way | shakow wrote: | Oh I'm all for simplifying the general language, the | distinction doesn't really matter. However, I prefer to | stick to the correct terms in writing :) | ludamad wrote: | I think words here do matter. Concentration camp isn't | taken as a euphemism, per se, but Nazi-specific jargon. | This weakens its ability to invoke sympathy for other | high-density, high-mortality regions | quickthrower2 wrote: | I really enjoyed the rabbit hole and sort of wished you made more | money. | | I think you need FOMO to get this to take off. My idea would be | to join clubhouse app (I can invite you if you need) and tell | people about your story as it's entertaining, get some | influencers there to have an emoji email on their bio as a | contact - which is a perfect fit as most bios have a lot of | emojis and clubhouse has no DM feature but people like to get I | touch. The idea is a nice mix of utility and craze. Better than | those NFTs in my opinion. | | Plus I'm tempted to get one :) I'll sleep on it though. | | Good luck! | mbreese wrote: | And now, I own yet another domain name. At least this one is so | that my kid can have a very unique email address. That's some | high quality tween cred. | kuu wrote: | Really fun idea and interesting to see how it grew and grew :) | teddyh wrote: | When we can't even discuss current tech events here on HN because | HN filters out the characters needed, maybe it's time for HN to | rethink its emoji filtering policy. | tester34 wrote: | I think you may expect way too much from such a simple website | emodendroket wrote: | Supporting Unicode characters is too much? | scbrg wrote: | Supporting Unicode characters comes with a set of | complications that you may want to address, as, for | instance the infamous HTML-parsing with regex rant shows. | | As soon as you start trying to address those, the simple | problem suddenly grows quite a lot in scope. | enriquto wrote: | Notice that HN already does support unicode: a b g e o | Ben | | It actively filters out a small part of it, mostly emojis | (which I think that it is a good thing to do). | Biganon wrote: | I find this trend of despising emojis quite pretentious | and annoying. They are very useful in some circumstances. | Acting like anyone using them is a dumb teenager, or they | will automatically ruin a community, is completely | absurd. | vmception wrote: | Its Gen X and you know it | | They don't know it, but the rest of us do | | Its not a trend its out of touch old people that dont | know they're out of touch old people yet | emodendroket wrote: | What exactly are we afraid will happen if someone uses an | emoji instead of typing :) ? | enriquto wrote: | it's not really a big deal. Just like not allowing bold | or colored text in the comments. | xPaw wrote: | Is HN actually filtering these, or they use utf8 in mysql | which is famously not full utf8mb4? | [deleted] | capableweb wrote: | Hah, you think HN would use something mainstream like | mysql?! I don't blame you. | | But HN is 100% custom software, and built with it's own | programming language as well, Arc (on Racket). AFAIK, HN | still runs on files-as-a-db. You could check out the | source here: http://arclanguage.org/install | gus_massa wrote: | That release is quite outdated. They added a lot of stuff | to filter spam, voting ring detectors, and other | moderation stuff. Anyway, as far as I know, everything is | still saved to the file system. | enriquto wrote: | Why "still" ? Is there anything wrong in using the | filesystem as a database when it suits to do so ? | capableweb wrote: | Nope, I'm not implying it's bad, just that they used to | do that and they still do that to this day. I have | nothing against storing data in files. In fact, I do that | all the time myself too. | KorfmannArno wrote: | Don't databases also store data in files or am I missing | the point? | capableweb wrote: | Yes, ultimately they do (usually) and yes, you are | missing the point. | | "filesystem as a database" is not referring to database | software that stores the data on disk but rather that the | application is directly interacting with the filesystem. | Imagine dumping a JSON document to disk, then reading it | from disk, compared to storing a JSON string in a DB. | Sure, they are both backed by the disk, but one is not | "filesystem as a DB". | monstersinF wrote: | I am very thankful that it's not supported | corobo wrote: | Lets just use punycode, it can be the new l33t xn--g28h | Symbiote wrote: | I think it would be acceptable to support emojis, but set | the font to use the black/white ones rather than colour. | That removes most of the distraction. | | At present, this can be done by following any emoji | character with the text variant selector, U+FE0E [1] (the | example works perfectly on Firefox on KDE). | | Later, it will be possible with CSS [2]. | | [1] https://mts.io/2015/04/21/unicode-symbol-render-text- | emoji/ | | [2] https://drafts.csswg.org/css-fonts-4/#font-variant- | emoji-pro... | ada1981 wrote: | These still work: | | [?] [?] [?] [?] [?] [?] [?] / \ / \ | - - - > [?] [?] | [?] < [?] [?] [?] [?] [?] [?] [?] [?]!! !?~[?](c) (r) (tm) # _ | 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 m (Zhu) (Mi) | [?] [?] [?] [?] # #_ # 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 | teddyh wrote: | The unfiltered ones include, incredibly, the _private use | area_ of Unicode. You know, the code points that might show | up as any symbol at all depending of the font? | | About a year ago, | (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22741817) someone here | used what they thought was the Apple logo symbol, but some | fonts (which follow the ConScript (unofficial) Unicode | Registry for private use characters) might show a KLINGON | MUMMIFICATION GLYPH instead! | marban wrote: | Thanks for the reminder, I now own a double rainbow domain. | elliekelly wrote: | It's a bummer the username can't be an emoji, too. <money | bag>@<rainbow><rainbow>.kz would be an awesome email address. | tobib wrote: | I love how it says everywhere to "buy" a TLD when it's really | renting or leasing. It's not like it's a one time payment and | then you own it. | tobib wrote: | Is this wrong? Am I misunderstanding anything? I'm genuinely | curious. | pwdisswordfish0 wrote: | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26421454 | quickthrower2 wrote: | This is not _that_ | Toutouxc wrote: | Maybe the whole covid thing lowered my happiness-level standards, | but I find this charming. | | Also I would be scared to receive actual money from people for | something as out of my control as email. I hope the author | doesn't get hit by a wave of "my emoji emails are not being | delivered to @commercial-behemoth or @government-branch and I've | made my emoji adress my main one and it's all your fault" a few | months down the line. | notsureaboutpg wrote: | On the mailoji website it says you cannot currently send emails | using your mailoji address. It's just for forwarding mail to | your main inbox at the moment | gnopgnip wrote: | The clever part about this is they don't deal with | deliverability at all. This is only for incoming email. | Tepix wrote: | The emoji part is charming. | | The name grabbing (netflix and facebook domains) - not so much! | maybevain wrote: | Personal preferences aside, the original article [0] on the | Netflix and Facebook domains gives context which is no less | charming, at least on ethical grounds. | | Quoting the relevant part: "They're welcome to have them back | anytime they want." | | [0] https://tinyprojects.dev/posts/i_bought_netflix_dot_soy | jefe_ wrote: | The customer's words echoed in his mind. 'robert at lightbulb | emoji dot kz, but with a real lightbulb emoji.' The clerk had | registered thousands, maybe tens of thousands of e-mails into the | Nordstrom Rack Nordy Rewards program, and he had seen it all, but | this, this was something entirely new. This wasn't the single | letter username or the overly sexual address or the gmail address | with the plus sign, all mildly interesting but within the bounds | of what was possible. What was normal. What was sane. This was | something entirely new. The point of sale workstation has no key | for the lightbulb emoji. This was the predicament. But if an | emoji can be an e-mail address, maybe some other part of the | computer can be a keyboard. Maybe the floor can be a table. Maybe | hands can be screwdrivers. The clerk began touching the screen. | Pawing at the sides of the monitor. He began mumbling as he moved | his attention to the receipt printer, ripping it open, 'there's | gotta be an emoji button in here somewhere.' As his search | intensified, so too did the stares of customers waiting in line. | In a final effort the clerk hoisted the register above his head | before smashing it on the ground, bringing himself down with the | machine. Associates had pooled around their coworker and were | urging calm. Emergency Services had been notified and were en | route, and slowly the chaos turned to calm. An associate reached | out to ask the customer if she could finish ringing him up on | another register. 'Sure,' he replied, 'but this time let's just | use my gmail address.' | devoutsalsa wrote: | >> Maybe the floor can be a table | | Why wouldn't you throw stuff all over the floor. It's the | biggest shelf in the room. | kozak wrote: | By the way, we already have an "emoji button" on our keyboards: | on Windows, it's the Win+. keystroke. Try it if your Windows 10 | is updated enough. | TurkishPoptart wrote: | On my work computer on Win10 it just opens up the magnifier | :( | allannienhuis wrote: | it's <winkey> AND <periodkey>. I tried <winkey> AND | <pluskey> the first time too :) | fegu wrote: | Thanks, did not know this. In fact, learned both Win + plus | (and discovered Win + minus along the way) as well as Win + | dot :) | rendall wrote: | <-- Yes! | | Edit: Alas, it does not work on HN. Pity. | MegaButts wrote: | Where does this work? | oauea wrote: | Literally everywhere. HN just strips out emojis from | posts, because they're obnoxious. | [deleted] | [deleted] | oauea wrote: | > Try it if your Windows 10 is updated enough | | And if it's not, please go update your Windows. You should | not be reading HN with out outdated operating system. | akx wrote: | That UI is hilarious (for a given value of hilarious) in the | sense that the search for emojis uses whichever input | language you're using, even if your UI language is something | else. | | So, for instance to find the light bulb emoji, I need to | start typing "valo" (light in Finnish), which really threw me | off at first. | Razengan wrote: | The iOS and I believe macOS emoji picker let's you use any | language to search for emojis. hato brings up hearts for | example. | codetrotter wrote: | But you have to switch to that language first. | | For example on my iPhone if I type in Norwegian and jump | to emoji then I can type "hjerte" and find the heart. But | if I type "heart" then there are no results when the | language is Norwegian. So if I want to search for emojis | by English name, then I must first ensure that my | keyboard is in English. And this is good I think, but | wanted to point it out. | garmaine wrote: | On my phone at least (latest iOS) it will search any | installed keyboard languages. | belval wrote: | The default Android keyboard has similar behaviour. I was | learning Spanish so I switched my phone to Spanish then | back in English at some point later. Yet the change never | propagated to the keyboard for some reason so my emojis are | still in Spanish. | Razengan wrote: | _eggplants in Spanish_ | chordalkeyboard wrote: | _la berenjena_ | Nition wrote: | I originally thought the typing didn't work at all, because | the couple of times I tried pressing Win+. the emoji UI | came up, and it said "Keep typing to find an emoji", but | nothing happened when I typed. | | Turns out the search only works when you have a text entry | area selected elsewhere. | ezekg wrote: | For other readers: emoji keyboard is ctrl + cmd + space on | macOS. | jfk13 wrote: | Not always; that's app-specific, not a system-wide setting. | [deleted] | dhosek wrote: | I think it is system-wide. At least I've not encountered | any input field where it doesn't work. Even Microsoft | Office, which uses its own input routines, supports it. | GekkePrutser wrote: | It doesn't work in every app sadly. Qt based apps for | example | dhosek wrote: | Hmm, I guess I've never used any Qt-based apps. | GekkePrutser wrote: | I use two now, Quassel which is an IRC client, and QtPass | which is a password manager. Both are cross-platform | which is great because I don't use just Mac. I use pretty | much everything. Mac, Windows, Linux, FreeBSD. | | That means most of the built-in facilities of the Mac | (like iCloud Keychain) are no good for me. Because they | only work on Apple OSes. | | But anyway both these apps don't support this. When I | press the keystroke, nothing happens. I suppose it only | works for apps that use the native text input boxes, or | that have built specific support for the feature like | browsers. | | In my password manager I can do without Emoji, though it | allows for text comments and it would be handy there. In | IRC it's quite handy to have the option these days. | jfk13 wrote: | It's a shortcut to an Edit menu item within the | application, so whatever shortcut the app gives it; e.g. | in Firefox it appears to be simply Cmd-<space>. | | But wait... that doesn't actually work (it just switches | to the next input layout). Maybe that depends on my | keyboard settings in System Preferences. Or maybe it's | just a Firefox bug. | vulcan01 wrote: | Cmd-space launches Spotlight. Ctrl-space switches the | input layout. Ctrl-Cmd-Space launches the emoji viewer | (even in Firefox...) | jfk13 wrote: | Not for me. (I suspect the details of this vary between | system versions, and they certainly depend on settings | chosen in System Preferences / Keyboard / Shortcuts.) | ezekg wrote: | Works fine for me in latest Firefox. I've never had it | not work in a specific app. Though, sometimes the | keyboard crashes and doesn't come back up until a restart | (that could be the fault of my Ryzen Hackintosh, though). | jfk13 wrote: | What exactly works in Firefox -- is it Command-Control- | Space or just Command-Space? | dhosek wrote: | It's the standard behavior. If you do something to modify | or override it of course it won't work, but that's like | changing the keyboard to Dvorak and saying that pressing | the g key gives an i instead so you can't count on | getting a g when you press the g key. | jfk13 wrote: | It's standard for Cocoa-based apps, I think, but it | doesn't appear among the system-wide shortcuts in System | Preferences on my Big Sur system, at least. The only | shortcuts offered under Input Sources there are to select | the previous or next input source (which are set to Cmd- | Space, Cmd-Opt-Space). | | A command to open the Emoji & Symbols palette is | generally at the end of each application's Edit menu, and | that's where its shortcut appears. But in current Firefox | the item in the Edit menu shows the shortcut as Cmd-Space | (not Cmd-Ctl-Space), and it doesn't work for me because | the system-wide shortcut takes precedence. | | If I disable that shortcut in System Preferences (which | may well be the default, particularly if multiple input | methods are not enabled), then Cmd-Space _does_ work in | Firefox to bring up the Emoji palette -- but note that it | 's not the standard Cmd-Ctl-Space combination. | joshstrange wrote: | On macOS I use Rocket [0]. It's not perfect but it's the | best I've used and it does make finding the emoji you want | pretty easy. You can add custom alias/shortcuts for the | emojis and you can also use it to insert images/gifs from | the searcher. | | [0] https://matthewpalmer.net/rocket/ | pilsetnieks wrote: | The globe button on newer Macs can be retasked to call up | the emoji input panel (I guess any button could be before | with custom keyboard shortcuts but now it's a simple | dropdown in keyboard preferences.) | scaladev wrote: | A couple of alternatives for Linux users. | | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IBus#Emoji_input | | The kitty terminal emulator supports this out of the box (it | also works on two other platforms): | | https://github.com/kovidgoyal/kitty | | Ctrl+Shift+U opens a Unicode input panel with fuzzy search by | symbol code or name. | mxmilkb wrote: | https://github.com/Mange/rofi-emoji | codethief wrote: | And another character picker for Rofi: | | https://github.com/fdw/rofimoji/ | lights0123 wrote: | GNOME has Ctrl+period. | dorfsmay wrote: | It doesn't do anything for me. Can you point to a doc? | lbhdc wrote: | Does it? I am in stock gnome and this shortcut isn't | bound by default. What distro are you using? | dcminter wrote: | I believe it has to be a GTK app - which almost none of | the things I use on a daily basis are. Try in gedit or | something like that. | | My daily drivers are IntelliJ, Firefox, Chrome, and | Terminator so it's not super useful to me... :'( | lbhdc wrote: | Oh wow, you are totally right, that does work in GTK | apps. My daily drivers are about the same :( | lobstrosity420 wrote: | Check out this extension: | https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1162/emoji- | selector/ | | It implements a system level emoji keyboard that you can | trigger with <Super + e>. It works pretty great and on | all apps, I use it a lot. | thesuitonym wrote: | KDE has one, too. Not sure what the default was, I | remapped it to Super+Period | gerdesj wrote: | I use KDE and I've never tried it before. Win+. works! | gnull wrote: | I use Compose key for this, surprised nobody mentioned it | here yet. This way it works in all X11 apps (Sway supports | this out of the box as well), with no need for extra | software or some specific desktop environment. | | Just put something like <Multi_key> | <semicolon> <parenright> : "" <Multi_key> <t> <u> | : "" <Multi_key> <t> <d> : "" | | in your ~/.XCompose. | | Yes, you have to put all the emojis you want there | manually, but I use very few of them so it works for me. | | EDIT: HN removed the emojis from my snippet. The double | quotes there contained smiling face, thumb up, and thumb | down. | boogies wrote: | My n00buntu derivative has some emojis and other | logograms out of the box, eg. lines 326-337 of | /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose: | <Multi_key> <C> <C> <C> <P> : "" U262D # | HAMMER AND SICKLE <Multi_key> <O> <A> | : "a" U24B6 # CIRCLED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A | <Multi_key> <less> <3> : "" U2665 # | BLACK HEART SUIT <Multi_key> <colon> | <parenright> : "" U263A # WHITE SMILING FACE | <Multi_key> <colon> <parenleft> : "" U2639 # | WHITE FROWNING FACE <Multi_key> <backslash> <o> | <slash> : "" # PERSON RAISING BOTH HANDS IN | CELEBRATION <Multi_key> <p> <o> <o> | : "" U1F4A9 # PILE OF POO <Multi_key> <F> | <U> : "" U1F595 # REVERSED HAND WITH | MIDDLE FINGER EXTENDED <Multi_key> <L> <L> <A> <P> | : "" U1F596 # RAISED HAND WITH PART BETWEEN MIDDLE AND | RING FINGERS | | Unbutchered: http://ix.io/2SsC | tux3 wrote: | Oh, those are in Debian, as a matter of fact! | bmn__ wrote: | https://github.com/kragen/XCompose for those who prefer a | more methodical approach. | sphaerophoria wrote: | There's also https://github.com/salty-horse/ibus-uniemoji | if you want something a little more interactive. | | I wrote https://github.com/sphaerophoria/ibus-memebox for | myself because I wasn't quite happy with the performance of | any of the solutions I found. | t0mas88 wrote: | There is an actual emoji button on new dell keyboards as well | as a lock button. Not just a repurposed FN key but really a | separate key with a smiley on it and one with a lock next to | it. Both work without extra drivers in Windows 10. | jraph wrote: | Do you know if this key produces the regular shortcut for | invoking the emoji input method in Windows, or if it has | its own key code? | t0mas88 wrote: | Not sure. And I only know how to figure that out in Linux | but it's my windows work computer. Is there a windows | method to see what key code the keyboard is sending? | username3 wrote: | Win+Period or Win+Semicolon | TeMPOraL wrote: | If your Windows isn't updated enough, grab AutoHotkey[0], and | try this: [1]. It's a little "emoji keyboard" I wrote a few | years ago, to insert most important emojis into team | conversations. Globally binds itself to F2, and it's | ergonomic. You press F2, then number, then CTRL+V (that last | step could be automated too). | | The script is easy to extend with new emojis, and also | supports selecting alternatives based on which program you | had focus on when invoking the keyboard - you can see it | using Skype-specific notation for Skype. | | -- | | [0] - https://www.autohotkey.com/ - it's the keyboard | rebinding / advanced automation platform for Windows. | Literally the first thing I install on a new Windows machine | (mostly for rebinding Caps Lock to Ctrl). | | [1] - https://gist.github.com/TeMPOraL/d330edccf8ba9a2b13d01b | 4e7f1... | russfink wrote: | Brilliant! | dmingod666 wrote: | Very well written. | | Bill burr on his podcast was talking about, when he first | discovered reddit. He couldn't understand what it was... He | then realized later.. "it's a site for people that really like | to type.. that's what it is.." | danaliv wrote: | I like to think of Wikipedia as a site for people who like to | correct other people. | scrozier wrote: | Oh, that cuts to the quick. | giantrobot wrote: | "Well actually..." given form. | 29083011397778 wrote: | I'd never actually tried to describe Reddit so | succinctly; in the same vein as yours, maybe Reddit is | just Jeopardy where every comment must be in the form of | a correction. | | Perfectly accurate or not, I think the venn-diagram of | "People unlikely to already know what Reddit is" overlaps | heavily with "People who know and understand what | Jeopardy is", making it an excellent analogy :) | ddingus wrote: | This is brutal, and potent. Nicely done. | anderspitman wrote: | One of my favorite reddit shower thoughts: | | "Wikipedia built the biggest modern information hub using | nothing but nerds' need to correct each other." | danaliv wrote: | It's really quite astonishing how powerful a force that | is, and how well Wikipedia channels it toward something | good! | gottavomment wrote: | This is art. I worked as a cashier for a couple years, and this | feels like a fever dream about those days. | ethbr0 wrote: | Sample size dichotomy. | | From a customer's perspective, this is the way everyone does | things. (Sample size: themselves) | | From a cashier's perspective, this weirdo is a few standard | deviations outside the mean. (Sample size: 1,000+ customers) | juliend2 wrote: | There should be a museum for those kinds of HN thread comments. | | This kind of prose is truly hilarious. | | Thank you. | vlunkr wrote: | Come to HN for the news, stay for the short fiction. Well done. | fennecfoxen wrote: | right, okay, robert@xn--ds8h.kz, got it. thanks, Punycode! | duiker101 wrote: | I use an email address that ends in .io and the amount of | people that still ask me ".io? are you sure that's correct?" | never ceases to amaze me. | thesuitonym wrote: | I use hello@firstmiddlelast.com | | I also have firstmiddlelast@gmail.com, and about half the | time I tell someone my email address, the send it to the | gmail one. | joshstrange wrote: | I use first@firstlast.com and wasn't able to get the | firstlast@gmail.com so I guess I'm just hoping I'm getting | all my email. I will say that having my name be my email | makes life /so much/ easier. Especially over the phone, | "Yes, my email is first@firstlast.com, just like the name I | just told you and/or is already on your screen when you | pulled up my account". | davchana wrote: | For me, they send emails at mydomain.com@gmail.com | thesuitonym wrote: | Ah jeez, maybe they do that to me, too, and I just don't | know it? | davchana wrote: | I know because I registered an actual | mydomain.com@gmail.com name too. | MrsPeaches wrote: | Just FYI, .io is the TLD for the British Indian Ocean | Territory, which has a less than savoury history. | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Indian_Ocean_Territory | swilliamsio wrote: | Please don't tell me there exists genuine attempts to | "cancel" the .io domain. | MrsPeaches wrote: | Sorry maybe I missed the memo, but is this how things get | "cancelled"? | | I was just pointing out that the domain is tied to a sad | history. | | At no point do I advocate for/against using it, nor did I | pass any judgment on people who choose to use it. | | The only opinion expressed in my comments is that the way | the British and American governments have behaved is bad. | If you take issue with that, let's discuss but please | don't put words in my mouth. | Miraste wrote: | > is this how things get "cancelled" | | Yes, associating tangentially-related controversies with | previously innocuous topics is how things get canceled. | Bringing up topics like this on a post about emoji emails | implies that you want the conversation to flow in a | certain direction; that's how conversation works. It's | only missing Twitter and the word "problematic." | lupire wrote: | Are you cancelling free speech? | belval wrote: | Owning a .io domain is taking part directly in the | enslaving and poisoning of the island's native /s | mynameisvlad wrote: | Not everything has to be "cancelled" but if you are | buying a domain, you should probably inform yourselves of | what that TLD represents since people you're | communicating with might and might not look too favorably | on its use. | imwillofficial wrote: | Yeah, .io represents "Input/Output" as much as .net | represents "Network" | | Domains often have little connection to their intended | meaning. | mynameisvlad wrote: | Let's say you're running a startup and decided to be hip | and get an io domain. You reach out to a potential major | client who happens to be of Chagossian descent. | | They probably wouldn't care for your interpretation of | the domain, they just see you supporting the people who | relocated their entire group of people from their native | homeland. | | So, yes, you should be well aware of what the io domain | represents and who you're supporting when buying one. | Because it might bite you in the ass down the line and | could have easily been avoided by just getting a | different one without a storied past. | | No "cancelling" going on, but just like a lot of other | things, it's a risk that should be taken into account. | gadders wrote: | Mine ends in .by as my surname does as well and people still | say "Is that it?" | | EG if my surname was "Gummersby" my email domain is | "Gummers.by" | lorenzhs wrote: | If your surname contains an "a", say Gaddersby, you could | also do "g@dders.by" to confuse people even more | codethief wrote: | Try spelling that, though. :) | maratc wrote: | I have purchased some domains for myself and my friends | based on that rule, like rubinste.in, fedorovi.ch, or | oba.ma (not real names). They thought it's cute but didn't | hold them for long. | | A friend with a last name that ends in ..skova wasn't so | lucky as Vatican doesn't sell domain names. | Semaphor wrote: | My domain ends in .me which according to Aliexpress is not | real. So instead of me having to manually unsubscribe, they | got sent to the huge spam box that is gmail. | davchana wrote: | My domain ending in .in is not supported by Discover Bank | because it can be used only "in" India. | ymolodtsov wrote: | A ton of services kindly ask me if my personal domain on | .me TLD is correct one, but at least they don't block me | from using it. | alasdair_ wrote: | Which reminds me, I used to use me@myname.com but gmail's | UI gets weird when viewing emails from me as it uses "me" | to indicate the owner of the gmail account. | tadzik_ wrote: | Hell, booking.com will even tell you that "your address looks | incorrect" (sometimes, I got it once out of two bookings made | on a single day), if you dare to use your own domain .com. | They used to nag me about "ohh, are you sure it's not | tadzik_@gmail.com"? And I'm not sure what's worse. | tyingq wrote: | It does work well. I used a customized version of | https://github.com/mailcheck/mailcheck on an ecomm website | and the amount of bounces due to typos went way down. | | It is important to tune it a bit based on what you see | after installing it to reduce the amount of bad | suggestions. | fennecfoxen wrote: | You got nothing on my firstname@lastname.technology email. | | Can't register at half the sites, and if you can register | sometimes you can't log in. Banana Republic, in particular, | lets me log in through one login flow, but not the one | that's integrated into the checkout process. | Ductapemaster wrote: | Ah! What a coincidence -- I registered my Banana Republic | account with a gmail "+" email (eg, | my_email+bananarepublic@gmail.com) as is my standard | practice with retail accounts, and I have the same login | issues. It's quite odd, but I'm glad it's not just me! | davchana wrote: | Wallethub let me register email+wh@gmail.com but did not | allow + sign in login. Cant signup again with | email@gmail.com Had to ask support to fix that. | [deleted] | samanator wrote: | tsdyq gmvr th! | dkdbejwi383 wrote: | Same using me@domain.cricket or similar. "Do you mean | me@domain.com?" | hc-taway wrote: | If they're just warning but letting you proceed, that's | fine. They do that because they see looooots of people | screwing up their own email addresses in a few common ways. | Run any email signup with a general audience and any kind | of volume and you'll end up doing the same, to reduce the | load on support. | walrus01 wrote: | My spouse, who does not work in an IT/software related field, | has an email address that is firstname@lastname.com and quite | a large number of people refuse to believe that such a thing | is possible. There has been more than one instance where some | person treated them as if they were so clueless that they | didn't know how to properly format an email address. | mywacaday wrote: | Try using a .Irish domain | dkdbejwi383 wrote: | Mine is my name, like john@jsmith.com. The number of people | who exclaim "I've never heard that one before!" surprises me. | Obviously other people don't use it, because it's my name. | mihaaly wrote: | ok, ok, but is that really correct?! ;) | Jonovono wrote: | Mine ends in .sexy, the looks I get are even better than when | I used my .io one ;p and then if they follow up for my phone | number it gets even better when I tell them as it ends in | 6969. | archon810 wrote: | Is it by chance 420-6969? | Jonovono wrote: | I wish, but that is now my goal to find that number! | https://howlett.sexy/ its over on here if you want to see | ;p | lupire wrote: | Your web page font is unreadably thin. | capableweb wrote: | Yeah. Try using wildcard email accounts together with a | uncommon TLD, and people ask me if I work at their place all | the time. | | Last time I booked a car at Hertz: | | > Me: My email is hertz@capableweb.work | | > Agent: Woah, you work here at Hertz? That's so cool | | > Me: sure, can you remind me of the employee discount again? | | So many email validations fail with a uncommon gTLD that I | started switching everything to a .com domain instead. | Sometimes I even get rejected when my email address contains | the company name... "Sorry, your email seems invalid" is all | I get, but changing one letter of the company name makes it | pass the validation... | wcfields wrote: | From doing agency/marketing work for numerous large corps, | I can tell you that many have a straight up block on | _corpname_ on any email name or domain to prevent phishing. | hamburglar wrote: | Yes, I recently got a new chromecast, which now requires | a google account to set up via the google home app. I | knew I was never going to use this single-purpose account | for anything real so I decided to make the name very | descriptive and tried to put "googlehome" in the | identifier but google would not let me get away with the | string "google" anywhere in it. Ended up with | "GewgleHome." | lupire wrote: | I've never seen that and I have dozens of | company@me.example emails signed up. | hinkley wrote: | On just meeting a girl in school whose last name was the | first name of a lead actor in a popular TV show, I started | blurting out "Are you related to X" and my brain was | already sending X to my mouth before I realized no, stupid, | that's not how names work. | | Turns out she's a nice girl, and she answered happily, "no, | but that would be cool". I smiled back while I died a | little inside. | | It's always possible the person figures out this is not | right before they get to the juicy bit. But I've been wrong | before. | toast0 wrote: | My spouse got that a lot growing up, sadly she now | sometimes gets another one since she took my last name. | Thankfully the new actor is not very relevant anymore so | it doesn't happen often. | codethief wrote: | Aw man, this _exact_ situation happened to me last time I | rented a car with Sixt. I wish I had thought of this genius | line of yours, | | > Me: sure, can you remind me of the employee discount | again? | | Sooo... did it work? | Theory5 wrote: | As a security person its hard as heck training (some of) | our users to understand how basic domain formats work. We | use a phishing simulation service, and outside of certain | content,putting part or all of our company name in the | domain but adding other words/underscores/etc is what | tricks a lot of people. I tend to explain how it works in a | basic format, and often you can see the light bulb go off | when I point out how a subdomain works and why an | underscore or dash creates a whole new domain anybody can | register while a subdomain is something our company can | only create/use (mind you, I'm not going to confuse them by | explaining how this can be abused, these people i talk to | about this are having enough trouble grasping the basics). | DavidAdams wrote: | I registered .com domains with my kids' names when they | were born, and when one of them discovered that they | could get the email address gmail@hisname.com he was | stoked. His friends don't understand how it's possible | for that email address to work. As a practical joke, he | always says "what do you mean? Doesn't gmail@yourname.com | not work too?" | cmehdy wrote: | This stuff is not really well made for normal people, to | be honest. Just look at all the discussions and troubles | (tickets, misunderstandings, security risks) related to | email and hyperlink parsers.. | | It took me a while to know that FQDNs can (and sometimest | must?) start at root with a period, meaning every address | you've ever typed could have finished with a period | (news.ycombinator.com.) and I recall some newspaper (NYT? | News Yorker?) failing to test for that when people want | to bypass their paywall. And this is a valid email | address apparently: #!$%&'*+-/=?^_`{}|~@example.com | | RFCs/codified norms by tech people are just weird to | normal people. | chaos_a wrote: | This root period was mentioned on reddit a while ago | because the domain "youtube.com." would fail to serve | ads. | | https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/gzr3cq/fyi_you_c | an_... | usmannk wrote: | > I recall some newspaper (NYT? News Yorker?) failing to | test for that when people want to bypass their paywall. | | For a long time I could access Bloomberg for free because | they failed open when you did this | ableal wrote: | Please stop downvoting this. If not an unpleasant truth, | it's at least a widely held perception, which must have a | reason. (And I suspect that reason is because it's true | ...) | | > this is a valid email address apparently: | #!$%&'*+-/=?^_`{}|~@example.com | | If so, that's actually the same as #!$%&'*@example.com | (mail user 'foo+bar' is the same as 'foo'). Many | webforms/DBs don't know that. | scubbo wrote: | > If so, that's actually the same as #!$%&'*@example.com | (mail user 'foo+bar' is the same as 'foo'). Many | webforms/DBs don't know that. | | Actually, no. To the best of my knowledge (and I'd be | delighted to be corrected!), that's merely a convention | that lots of providers (including GMail) conform to, but | it's not part of the RFC or standards. | | Don't get me wrong - it irritates me when that very- | common behaviour isn't supported (and, at the very least, | `+` shouldn't be considered an illegal character). But | it's also technically-not-wrong to consider | `a+1@test.com` as different from `a@test.com`. | umanwizard wrote: | You are right. In fact, RFC 5321 specifically forbids you | from interpreting the local part of an address in any | way. | | > the local-part MUST be interpreted and assigned | semantics only by the host specified in the domain part | of the address. | scubbo wrote: | See your sibling comment for another perspective! (EDIT: | which, to be clear, doesn't invalidate your point. Though | it's worth considering, I guess, whether "only assigned | semantics by the host specified in the domain" prevents | user-tracking systems from calling "foo+bar@gmail.com" | the same user as "foo@gmail.com". After all - if they're | being interpreted "as" user IDs, rather than as emails, | does that really breach the RFC?) | kevinmgranger wrote: | It's explicitly called out in RFC5233, at least: | https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5233 | scubbo wrote: | TIL, thank you! | [deleted] | capableweb wrote: | As a human who had to describe the internet, computers | and email addresses to some of our older population, I | agree, stuff is really hard for newcomers. Most of them | barely understand the mouse abstraction, so getting them | to understand some of the finer details of the modern | computing world is a exercise in humongous patience. | spoonjim wrote: | Be careful using illegitimate car rental codes. Sometimes | they look so cheap because they cancel a lot of your | insurances, because your employer carries those insurances | itself. So if you crash or the car is damaged, the clerk | says, "Don't worry Hertz Corporate will pick that up" but | of course when they discover you are not an employee they | will not. | lupire wrote: | No one wants car rental insurance anyway. | | Especially not Hertz, who doesn't honor claims anyway and | is thankfully bankrupt. | spoonjim wrote: | I fucked up a truck and they covered it without | questions, I guess their customer experience was highly | variable. | capableweb wrote: | I'm sorry, did you reply to the wrong comment? I'm trying | to understand where "illegitimate car rental codes" comes | from here, as I never mentioned that or anything related | to it. | | I agree with you, just trying to understand how it's | connected to what I wrote initially. | AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: | They are referencing the line about the employee | discount. | spoonjim wrote: | If you use a discount code, say the Boeing discount code | when you rent at Seattle Airport, Hertz will cancel any | insurance off the price because Boeing covers those risks | itself for its employees. But, if you're not a Boeing | employee and you crash, you're not insured by Boeing and | you're not insured by Hertz. | prostanac wrote: | They are talking about this line: | | > Me: sure, can you remind me of the employee discount | again? | | Which suggests that you would/did ask for (an employee) | discount code when renting from that company. | vultour wrote: | My favourite is when the validation rejects anything with | the service name in the email. I wonder whether it's to | prevent somebody registering <anything>@<service> as a | joke, or a really bad attempt at preventing | <service>@mailinator. | shakna wrote: | It's because it is a common spam action to use | <site>@<free_email> when blasting out stuff. It's also | common to try and use <something>@<site> in either/or the | to/reply-to fields for spambots. | | So, it is easier to blacklist it altogether. | fencepost wrote: | Well that would have caused me problems when Oracle | started requiring registration for some form of Java | downloads. | | They haven't spammed that though, I don't think I've ever | received any actual email to the "oracleblowsgoats" | address. Probably keeps any sales droids from even | bothering with me as well. | athenot wrote: | Same experience, though I never tried to get a discount out | of it. | capableweb wrote: | In that case she tried to apply the discount via my email | or something like that, but she said it failed. I blamed | on it that I was a new employee and I'm a rush, so | nevermind, let's proceed normally. | | I'm not sure I would actually accept it if it went | through, but I'm always curious to see if it works | sometime. | jguimont wrote: | Sometimes it is better not to be too clever. I built a CRM | like app for the construction industry and used | "inc.construction" and "inc.services" as the app domain. So | customer would have | | <business-name>.inc.construction | | I thought it was clever, but people do not understand them. | Everything is .com in their mind. | vmception wrote: | Its 2021 and I am just finding people that treat .co emails | as normal and don't mentally overwrite that as .com and | create a typo | | For services that actually require correspondence, I register | the cool fun tld and a seperate .com for email | | This also lets mailing lists het marked as spam without | harming the deliverability of the other | criddell wrote: | My domain has a hyphen in it and I find places that reject it | all the time. | hbosch wrote: | I have a very short .co - gets 'em every time. | mikey_p wrote: | I have a simple email address: | | firstname @ (nickname for firstname) + (last initial) .net | | And it's amazing how hard it is to explain this to people | over the phone or in store for email receipts, etc. | | I'm shocked how few folks seems to be vaguely aware that .net | as TLD exists even though it's one of the original TLDs from | when they were first created: | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.net | bionade24 wrote: | Besides lots of other adresses i have forname @ forname- | surname .de as an adress easy to understand. I totally | understand your problems, I have this even with people who | already have forename and surname on their screens, it's | ridiculous. | dkdbejwi383 wrote: | Yes, I just posted something similar. My domain is initial | + surname, and the most common response I get when giving | my email is that the person hasn't heard of "that one" | before. | | To make matters worse, I chose a slightly uncommon tld. | tijuco2 wrote: | "The next step was to convince someone else to buy an emoji email | address. TikTok seemed like a good place to start given its | demographic" that's accurate haha | Paradigm2020 wrote: | Read the full article and watched your amazing trailer :) but | loved the last line and fully agreed: | | "But they're fun, and I think tech should be more fun." | | Right on man !!! Applause. | | Added to personal wish list when I'm not sinking all my money in | domain names & startup :). | matsemann wrote: | Why so fixating on buying google.<tld>, netflix.<tld>, | facebook.<tld> etc? The fact that one of those might be available | does not make them valuable at all. | macksd wrote: | You can resell it to another speculator. Which I don't like, | but isn't so different from a cryptocurrency that is never | actually used for trade. | goldcd wrote: | Just wanted to say I enjoyed that story - whimsical little tech | project, written up in an entertaining and informative manner. | | Not that I dislike more serious stories, but nice to have a mix. | ghoomketu wrote: | This guy seems crazy about registering weird domain names. | netflix.soy, google(.hebrew).. good to see him making his money | back and kudos for doing the jokes so thouroghly. | | I too have such crazy stupid ideas all the time, but it's one | thing to think about it and another to actually finish it and | start marketing it with videos on producthunt and tiktok. | altgans wrote: | Why stop at emojis? Why use the aubergine emoji when you can | instead use ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs[1]? There is even an | anti-aubergine [2]! | | In my opinion there is an untapped marked here. And it also is a | "full circle" moment - i bet in the next millennium emojis will | also be counted as hieroglyphs. | | 1: https://unicode-table.com/en/130BA/ | | 2: https://unicode-table.com/en/130B9/ | _jal wrote: | Heavy use of emoji is a great way to make me stop reading. I | don't parse images super well - icon buttons in applications | slow me down a lot, too. | | Mentally trying to reconstruct meaning from icons might be a | fun recreation, but it is a high-load, annoying waste of time | for me when we just need to convey some info. Use your words, | or I'm likely to check out at some point. | hedora wrote: | Try explaining how to type "Bob@naughty-croquet-hieroglyph.kz" | in mixed company. | runnr_az wrote: | I built a site for that: | https://weirdonecharacterdomainsuperstore.com | sabertoothed wrote: | On my machine (Ubuntu, Chrome), every special character is | literally just a rectangle. Makes the website look a bit less | interesting that way ;) I am not techie enough to be able to | fix the view at my end. | cptwunderlich wrote: | Uff, ph is all sold out :smh: | ing33k wrote: | Borat would say "very nice" | koboll wrote: | I'm kinda disappointed that I can't register an emoji handle. No | diamond at hands dot kz for me, I suppose. | Zelphyr wrote: | This was such a fun read. It inspired me to buy http://xn-- | vn8hkk.ws/ | | Edit 1: TIL Hacker News doesn't support emoji. lol | | Edit 2: Yeah, I know; that's a cow, not a bull. Don't yuck my | yum! | rendall wrote: | I went to [lightbulb-emoji].kz and it transformed to http://xn-- | ds8h.kz | nancy99 wrote: | That is to prevent phishing with latin characters that look | identical to normal ones. | Biganon wrote: | That's punycode. Your browser is configured to display | everything as ascii, using the punycode "transcoding". It's a | good practice, see the binance hack that used binance.com with | a tiny diacritic on one of the letters, that lead to a huge | phishing attack. | blfr wrote: | The real scoop is Netflix.soy. Excellent. | | https://tinyprojects.dev/posts/i_bought_netflix_dot_soy | leokennis wrote: | Registered an e-mail address. I'll probably only use it to mildly | impress some people and it's entirely possible it will stop | working within the year. | | Then again, it's $9.99... | qwerty456127 wrote: | Borat would be proud of you. | plumeria wrote: | Ironically, you cannot use emojis for the username (e.g. | :crab:@:crab: ) | aaron_oxenrider wrote: | I found this strange too. I wonder if there is some other | technical reason or just somehow didn't think of this in the | validation? | simias wrote: | I'm genuinely impressed by the author's willingness to come up | with such a silly idea, go through with it, implement a | completely barebones website that won't even let you send emails | from the addresses and starts selling subscriptions for $10/year. | | I'm not being snarky, I'm genuinely impressed. If it were me I'd | spend 2 years mulling about it and never actually do it because | I'd be worried about not managing to make it work correctly. | rhythmofrest wrote: | I'll take "things you can do when you're single"... can't quite | imagine sidling up to significant other with the gambit | "Darling, would you mind terribly if I spent PS1000 on | Kazakhstani emoji domains?" | tener wrote: | I guess software dev can afford to blow 1000$/year on silly | side projects. Especially seeing how he got back significant | portion of his expenditure. Being single or not has nothing | to do with that? It sure seems fair to agree on spending | policy with your significant other beforehand, but other than | that... | tenacious_tuna wrote: | I've come to believe that there's a certain amount of | insanity required to be a great entrepreneur. Like Jobs or | Musk--their personal qualities aside, they both had arguably | legitimately insane visions that they refused to let people | talk them out of. | | The side effect is they're also crazy in other ways (Musk- | time and the billionaire-playboy-cyrptocoin-gambler being | easy examples), but I think it really does take someone who | operates with a totally different set of constraints on the | world to pull Really Cool Stuff off. Like reusable rockets. | Or electric performance cars. Or an incredibly versatile | computer that fits in your pocket (while also giving the | middle finger to Flash, the incumbent web media tech at the | time). | hilbertseries wrote: | Steve Job didn't invent the smartphone and Elon Musk didn't | invent the electric car, they did both make those things | cool. | | Steve Jobs also had a treatable form of pancreatic cancer | and died from it, because he refused traditional medicine. | | You can point to countless inventions and advances in | humanity that are not due to crazy asshole geniuses. What | happens to people is that the better you are at something, | the more willing they are to forgive your flaws. This | allows those flaws to grow and grow, to the point where | you're accusing random people that insult you of being | pedophiles. But these flaws are not a requisite part of | being driven and not giving up. | satellite2 wrote: | Classic correlation / causation bias | baybal2 wrote: | There are way more insane people in mental institutions | than insane billionaires. | [deleted] | tiborsaas wrote: | A common wallet with a SO freaks me out :) | sangnoir wrote: | You don't have to go all-in, but a common wallet is very | useful as a wash account for _common expenses._ | | Having an account just for expenses, with no overdraft, | that's usually at $0.00 balance is useful for other | purposes too (ACH pull is dangerous! Especially when | everyone who has _ever_ looked at your check can do it) | ALittleLight wrote: | I feel like he could've got it going with 5 or 10 emoji and | spent a lot less. Also impressed with his commercial. | simias wrote: | I thought about that but I think the main advantage of | doing it this way is to corner the market somewhat. You get | all the "good" ones and make it harder for anybody to clone | your idea. | Grakel wrote: | I'll never understand this, but I see it all the time. People | should have shared money, and they should also have their own | money. Does my wife like it when I buy myself expensive toys? | I have no idea, it's irrelevant unless I stop covering the | bills. | _AzMoo wrote: | When your family has limited resources and needs to | prioritise it's frustrating when somebody chooses to use | those resources on frivolity. | konschubert wrote: | You can still have personal budgets, even if they are | very small. Heck, when things are tight, even having 10 | Euro personal "fun money" a month for each partner can | give a bit of freedom. | satellite2 wrote: | Freedom | | 10EUR | konschubert wrote: | GP mentioned a situation where money is tight. | | I'm glad you've never been in a place where 10 Euro fun | money felt like a bit of a luxury. | tikhonj wrote: | I've never been that poor, but I've had limited funds in | the past, and I can say that having even a small amount | of money that you're psychologically comfortable spending | on _anything_ is a massive relief. Sometimes the best | thing you can do in a situation largely out of your | control is to consciously take back _any_ amount of | control you can, even if it ends up being more symbolic | than anything. | _AzMoo wrote: | For sure, but the original article and the comment I | replied to are talking about relatively expensive spends. | asciimov wrote: | It's for family budgeting and trust. We generally | ask/inform if we are going to spend more than $100 on any | given project/item. This helps both of us realize if it's a | need or want. That way if I mention I'm going to get a new | video game, I'll be stopped if its the third one in a | month. Or if she wants new luggage, is it because it is | needed or is it desired because it's a new color that is | available. | | You might make enough money to not really need this kind of | consent. That's great if you do. For us, it is just a small | check to help us get to our goals. | bcrosby95 wrote: | Bills. And retirement savings. And college savings for the | kids. Oh yeah, saving for the new stove. | | I give myself $50/mo to spend on whatever I want. Anything | else I mention it to my wife. Oh, and if it takes space in | the house I mention it too. | rileytg wrote: | It's a time thing also "Sweetie, I don't want to go to your | parents for dinner b/c I'm building <insert silly fun project | here>" | atleta wrote: | But why would you do that? I mean if that's you money, why | would you ask your partner? I'm pretty frugal, don't spend on | stupid things easily (well, things that _I_ find stupid, at | least), but if I had a business idea or even a fun project I | don 't think I'd need permission from my partner to spend _my | own money_ on it. Discussing it is a different story, of | course. | coolspot wrote: | Maybe in a "partnership" you don't need to ask a "partner". | | But in marriage you don't have "your money" - you are both | on the same team, so all money are shared. If you spend | $1000 on something random, that sets your team, your | family, back of its common goals - house down payment, | vacation, etc. | konschubert wrote: | Agreed. But as somebody mentioned above: It's good to | maintain a (small) personal budget for each partner that | they can spend as they please. | simonbw wrote: | I think it's pretty common that when people get married it | becomes _our_ money instead of _my_ and _your_ money. | lupire wrote: | And _we_ can buy emoji domain names. | alexchamberlain wrote: | It's a matter of trust; my wife and I don't sweat the small | stuff, but if we're spending more than PS100 on something, | we'll probably discuss it first - that doesn't mean she | gets to say no to the top of the range MacBook Pro, just | that she knows what's going on. | vz8 wrote: | I keep expecting this to tie back to a Borat sequel. | ljm wrote: | On the one hand, I'm single and if I wanted to I could also | blow a few grand on emoji domains for an experiment, then I | could. On the other, I'd be taking a few grand from my | mortgage deposit. | | This isn't about relationship status, the author of this post | just has money to burn. | | And even if the author expected to get their money back | through paid sales...they're on the hook for those accounts | now unless he personally writes it off. | throwaway_kufu wrote: | I started registering some emoji domains on Ethereum Name | Service, not to be a total squatter I'm building static sites and | deploying them on IPFS...it's fun but expensive so hopefully NFT | dWeb/web3 domains turn out to have cryptoart value. The use case | mostly seems to be a novelty wallet address but I'm going full | blown GeoCities with building decentralized websites. I even | built a NFT search engine deployed on IPFS at geocities.eth | | The emoji domains are cool in theory but there are issues to say | the least. Many services asking for your domain name don't | recognize the emoji character (google programmable search engine, | fleek, github, etc...). I did manage to "hack" the system a | little and register a single character emoji domain ( .eth) | because it renders as 3 characters. | dmitrygr wrote: | > It was slightly painful watching my bank account going down, | and the number of emoji domains go up. | | And this is why they are "all taken" on all other domains... | EugeneOZ wrote: | > and yes, most form validations hate them. | | Big mistake of these forms. Sometimes people are enormously | resistant to following the specifications. | flal_ wrote: | I used to have an email address at university along the line of | "f.d'a@university.edu". I couldn't make use of it, because no- | one believed it was a valid address even though it is allowed | by the goddam RFC. turns out you could put a lot of funky stuff | in the local part of an email, spaces ? yep. | https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3696#page-5 | sybercecurity wrote: | always relevant: "So you think you can validate email | addresses": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxX81WmXjPg | | Which is also why proposals to put email certs (S/MIME, | OpenPGP) in the DNS led to hashing the local part, as DNS | only allows ASCII and is case insensitive. | Biganon wrote: | Pretty stupid of your university to give you this address. | Sure it's technically valid, but they know perfectly well it | will be refused almost everywhere, and even when not | explicitly refused, it will cause bugs. Being technically | correct is useless if you're the only one doing it. | flal_ wrote: | Yes, it was I guess that was a bug I'm the student name to | email generator. They quickly provided me a convenient | alias but I was still able to receive mail at the address | with the apostrophe, and it was cool. Having an apostrophe | in my name still triggers a surprising numbers of bugs to | this day... | ape4 wrote: | Why can't you pick an emoji as username | CyanDeparture wrote: | I will never use this, but I'm delighted it exsits. | petercooper wrote: | There's a big downside to using .kz in that the registry has a | policy (as per https://nic.kz/rules/) that .kz hostnames must | relate to "Internet resources" located on hardware and software | located within the territory of Kazakhstan. | | I think the OP is OK as it appears the IP addresses of both the A | and MX records are located within Kazakhstan, but something to be | aware of if you think registering a .kz is a fun idea(!) :-) | Theory5 wrote: | I learned some countries have things like this after an article | last month where someone traced an IP range used by palor or | another organization like that to a country with similar rules, | and filed a complaint with the company that leased it, who | revoked the range. (Going from memory here, sorry if I'm | getting things wrong). | | Especially given Ive heard some of these TLDs are cheaper to | encourage their use, people who want to run services on these | should be careful even if enforcement is often lax or | nonexistent until a complaint is filed. | pull_my_finger wrote: | This is something to keep in mind with all TLDs really. They're | not all created equal and can be subject to rules specific to | their operators. Have to do your homework before you buy that | cute domain. | Cthulhu_ wrote: | Like how many UK businesses and individuals had to give up | their .eu domain name after leaving the EU. | londons_explore wrote: | I'm really surprised they didn't do the logical thing and | grandfather all existing domains in when the UK left the | EU. | | It seems like the policy was simply designed to frustrate | as many people as possible for no real gain for the EU. | rorykoehler wrote: | It could be a fraud prevention and accidental legal | misrepresentation defense mechanism to take away the .eu | domains from the UK. If you go to a .eu domain and buy | something you would expect not to be subject to import | duties etc. | tialaramex wrote: | The EU continues to control .eu because it is available | only to EU citizens. Nothing changed. | | Your surprise exactly reflects the typical beliefs of a | Brexit supporter, you thought the idea is you get to keep | all the benefits you had before, and also you get rid of | any downsides you didn't like, and somehow it's the EU's | job to help you achieve this after you leave. | | That didn't make any sense in 2016, and it still didn't | make any sense in 2020, and so unsurprisingly here we are | in 2021 and it isn't what happened. "We told you so" is | boring but it's true. We told you so. | alibarber wrote: | The EU domain is available to EU residents and citizens, | not just citizens. I as a British citizen and EU resident | am entitled to one (not that I have bothered - someone | got the one I wanted first :O ) | | I guess an EU citizen living in the UK could also hold | them on behalf of UK based UK citizens. Thinking about it | this situation does seem a little convoluted... | londons_explore wrote: | But this policy doesn't make sense for the EU either. | They lose domain registration revenue. Thousands | companies migrating to a new domain name will lead to | confusion for EU citizens too, etc. | | It just seems like a case of "we want it to be as painful | as possible for you, even if we have to take a bit of | additional pain for us too". | hedora wrote: | They maintain sovereignty though. That's more important | than domain registration revenue. | | If I somehow owned tax.gov, and was running a tax prep | service from it, I doubt the "I'm grandfathered" argument | would fly. | | It's likely similar to lawyers.eu (I made that domain | up), etc; people should be able to expect that to be an | EU based service, not something overseas. | kyawzazaw wrote: | That revenue is tiny compared to being able to say .eu | domains for EU orgs and businesses. | Uberphallus wrote: | > They lose domain registration revenue. | | I think only micronations have a significant revenue | coming from tlds (e.g. Tuvalu) | tinco wrote: | And so it should be. The Brexit should be as painful as | possible for the UK. The more the UK is reminded of what | they gave up, and what they will be missing, the better, | as it positions them better for reentry. | | Who cares about domain registration revenue? The only | reason it isn't free is because of the administrative | hassle of distributing frivolous domain registrations. | | If EU citizens are confused about UK companies | disappearing, maybe they'll search and be exposed to EU | competitors, how could that be a bad thing? | dreadlordbone wrote: | Who hurt you? | tinco wrote: | The British? | JamesDeepDown wrote: | Fortunately most institutions of the EU are not as | absurdly extremist as you are. | zimpenfish wrote: | > They lose domain registration revenue. | | But in the other scenario, they now have to deal with | support queries ("why can they have a .eu when I | can't?"), possibly legal action ("why can they have a .eu | when I can't?"), etc. | alwayseasy wrote: | A British business suing the EU in an EU court about a | contract that explicitly says for EU members? Wouldn't go | far. | rvba wrote: | The idea is that (at least in theory) when someone has | the .eu domain, then they are in EU. | | There are many ways to skip it, but it blocks at least | some. | beowulfey wrote: | .EU has a functional purpose, and to grandfather in those | names would lead to disruption of the functional meaning. | | Think of it as a UX reason rather than financial. | rendall wrote: | Harsh. But fair. | tshaddox wrote: | It might make sense for certain Internet resources to be | made available only to citizens of some political region. | It might make sense to revoke access to such resources if | an individual renounced their citizenship or loses it due | to their own actions (like, say, treason). But it really | doesn't make much sense that I could lose access to an | arbitrary Internet resource I legitimately possessed | because of large-scale political changes unrelated to my | actions as an individual. | sigio wrote: | Just a matter of getting a TTP / Intermediary to hold the | domain for you in the EU, same as for the local presence | requirements in for example .no(rway) and many other TLD's. | | It's just another $10-20/year and fixes your 'problem' | | Many domain registrars will offer this service, as 90+% of | their clients will need it for these ccTLD's. | swiley wrote: | The most fun TLD is .su Someone on IRC managed to register | "kremvax.su" a few years ago and gave anyone in the channel | who wanted them email addresses (so I briefly had | swiley@kremvax.su for example.) | | Unfortunately the were asked for some documentation they | couldn't provide a few months later and it got shut down. | matsemann wrote: | Which OP didn't do multiple times and got his purchased | annulled. But hopefully in the future, heh. | SavantIdiot wrote: | Uh oh. How do I find rules for other domains? I went a little | batty with the .de domain years ago and have quite a few. But, | I'm not in Germany. While there is a mild ethical cringe at | doing this, am I running afoul of some rules that might | actually bite me later? | taneliv wrote: | In general, Wikipedia has some starting points for all | ccTLDs, for example for .de here: | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.de | | The information on Wikipedia itself is mostly descriptive, | while the registry website or other external links should | have the actual rules and restrictions. | dmitriid wrote: | > There's a big downside to using .kz in that the registry has | a policy (as per https://nic.kz/rules/) that .kz hostnames must | relate to "Internet resources" located on hardware and software | located within the territory of Kazakhstan. | | Any country TLD is a potential risk that most western | "entrepreneurs" blissfully ignore. | | Just a month ago notion.so had troubles with it's domain | because .so belongs to Somalia, and Somalia changed some rules | around registration and ownership [1] | | The same, really, goes for Tonga's http://dev.to, Libya's | http://bit.ly or Greenland's http://goo.gl... | | [1] | https://twitter.com/EpsilonTheory/status/1360239738020634629 | worldofmatthew wrote: | Aka why I mainly stick with .com | belval wrote: | The issue it that a lot of .com are taken so for the sake | of a personal email address it is not ideal. | | The person that owns "belval.com" literally registered it | before I was born so I settled for "belval.org", | "belval.me", "belv.al" but only the first one is accepted | by most company. | vxNsr wrote: | My last name ends in al but the domain is taken. The .com | one is taken by a guy who's using it to showcase his | Holocaust family tree. I tried reaching out to him to see | if he was interested in taking like .org but he's not :( | so I got .me | SavantIdiot wrote: | All 4-letter .com's were taken as of 2013. | | https://whoapi.com/blog/we-are-out-of-4-letter-com- | domains/ | | I wonder how long until all 5- and 6- letter are gone. | davchana wrote: | Exactly, I too had to use .net & .us, because.com was | registered in 1995. | smartbit wrote: | Some extensions require presence in the EU, eg .eu & .it [0] | | IOW not available to citizens or companies in Europe, but not | member of the EU eg. _Bosnia and Herzegovina_ | | [0] Who can register a .it domain? | https://www.nic.it/en/find-your-it/faq | | _The registration of a domain name in the ccTLD .it is | permitted only to persons who have citizenship, residence or | a registered office in the countries of the European Economic | Area (EEA), the Vatican, the Republic of San Marino, and | Switzerland._ | kuschku wrote: | Although .gl isn't much of a risk, as Google has some | presence in Denmark and relations to the country. | | But you shouldn't use TLDs of countries with which you have | no affiliation. | kureikain wrote: | My hat off to tinyprojects. This is a very cool project and I'm | so happy to see they wrote this at the end: | | > But they're fun, and I think tech should be more fun. | | Apparently I run https://hanami.run an email forwarding service | and I also say that | | https://hanami.run/blog/posts/welcome-to-hanami/#the-future | | > At the same time, we like to make email more fun. We are | commited to build tools that help you process email easily. Your | banks don't have an API to help you build a real-time activity | tracker? Just use email. | | Email can be really fun, especially with webhook. I build | https://pix.fastloop.xyz where you simply email pix@fastloop.xyz | a picture to have it show up on the site. | | I'm thinking about comment for a static site. Simply send an | email to a magic address to comment? Similar to news letter? | Anyone like this idea | holistio wrote: | Do you have some protection filters on for | https://pix.fastloop.xyz? | | I cautiously opened the site and was basically prepared to be | greeted with (child) pornography. How do you prevent that? | kureikain wrote: | I rely on email spam filterting, which seems effectively | filter out them. No sophisicated filtering yet. I didn't | advertise it anywhere outside of Hacker News and not many | people know about it yet. | kwhitefoot wrote: | It works. But what is it for? How do other people interact with | it and the images? | | I like the commenting idea. | tzfld wrote: | >https://pix.fastloop.xyz | | Nice but I see some risks there | (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26357033) | kureikain wrote: | wow, thanks so much for that information. I'll have it | migrate to some different domain. | kalipso wrote: | I would recommend advertising that at | https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/ | | the people there are f'ing addicted to the rocktes emoji and dont | care how much to pay to have it appear somewhere | simias wrote: | I was actually just thinking that he should probably register | the [diamond][hands].kk domain, there's got to be some demand | for it given how much it gets spammed over there. | magneticnorth wrote: | Diamond hands appears to be taken everywhere listed by the | mainstream emoji registration sites, sadly. It was a good | idea | rileytg wrote: | way ahead of you... OP was right, it was a pain to use that | registrar. | roozbeh18 wrote: | hah | siltpotato wrote: | I've been seeing more of this title recently and can't suss out | the pattern. Is this about it? | | "I x'd (something ridiculous) [and (more ridiculous)]" | tener wrote: | Huh. Neat idea, but why does emoji needs to be a part of the | domain? <rocket>@emojimail.com would work just fine? Plus, you | can have mail aliases that way and combine multiple emoji too. | <rocket><moon>@emojimail.com could be equivalent to | rocket.moon@emojimail.com for compatibility purposes. | chias wrote: | IIRC the email spec requires all characters to be ASCII. | | Technically your email address isn't bob@[mailbox].kz, it's | bob@xn--h78h.kz which your browser and possibly some mail | clients will render as bob@[mailbox].kz. But xn-- | h78h@emojimail.com will always just display as xn-- | h78h@emojimail.com. | | For the domain part, browsers and email providers have | collectively agreed to render domains of the form | xn-[stuff]-[stuff].[tld] according to the Punycode | specification, but no such rendering exists for the username. | tener wrote: | The ASCII only restriction feels very artificial. I wouldn't | be surprised to find some work in progress to lift it. | | Edit: yep, there is clearly work in that area and not even | that recent. Of course support is spotty depending on actual | software in use. See: | https://stackoverflow.com/questions/760150/can-an-email- | addr... | aequitas wrote: | Why even bother with registering emoji domains? | | Just allow people to register bob.<emoji>@mailoji.com. | | TikTok users probably wouldn't care where the emoji was in the | email address. Most non technical people don't even understand | email addresses (you work here too? is the most common question I | get when I tell people my email is | <theircompanyname>@mydomain.com). Only internet nerds really care | that the emoji is in the domain name. | dheera wrote: | This seems ripe for phishing, similar to @arr[?]e.com (which | isn't @apple.com -- go ahead and check) and someone actually did | this once. [0] There are lots of emojis that are hard to tell | apart from each other. | | [0] https://www.xudongz.com/blog/2017/idn-phishing/ | sideproject wrote: | For anyone who is going down the impulse-buying of many domains | (me!) and then finding yourself having too many unused domains, I | created a little tool to make use of those unused domains (and | maybe even monetize them) | | https://www.newsy.co | weinzierl wrote: | This is a great fun project but a risky business idea. Only 13 | registrars allow emoji _now_ and one could also say only 13 | _still_ allow them. It is well possible that they will stop | supporting emoji, like other registrars did in the past. | | How do I know? Many years ago happen to own the single unicode | character domain name that was coincidentally very similar to the | logo of my website. At some point the registrar informed me that | my domain will not be allowed by the NICs rules anymore and they | had to cancel it. Made me a bit sad, but it ever was only a | novelty anyways. | blackearl wrote: | This is hilarious. I just tested it as a subdomain. O365 flatout | won't let me send to emoji addresses, at least through the | regular browser UI. Gmail is happy to oblige though | felixfbecker wrote: | How does this work? Is it converted to some super ugly punycode, | or do domains actually support full Unicode? | simonbarker87 wrote: | This is delightful, enjoy your massive headache running this | thing | vmception wrote: | > Mailoji was not a proper business yet, so there was no way I | could publish my ad. | | I always have shelf businesses registered and available for this. | | Its an art and almost passtime for me to sit down with bankers | and open accounts for these things soon after registration and | give the bare minimum information | | "It's a tech company" | | "no, there isn't a website its 2021 it just uses telegram and | wechat to get customers" | | (remember: the bank doesn't _actually_ care about their anti- | money laundering statutes either, they care about you giving them | a reason to care, which is very different.) | notsureaboutpg wrote: | >I always have shelf businesses registered and available for | this. | | Don't you pay an annual fee for these? | Gys wrote: | > Using vanilla HTML, JS and CSS, plus Stripe's API for payments, | I cobbled together an MVP over a few weeks. | | Appreciate the honesty of a few weeks. The number of great | looking projects on HN that mention 'build last weekend' are hard | to belief. | jkhdigital wrote: | > complete with Japanese voice actor saying the words "Mailoji" | | Almost spit out my coffee laughing at this | had-rien wrote: | I like the idea of having an email dedicated to joke and not | serious stuff so I rushed to register one. | | Kind of disappointed that I cannot send an email now, it takes | away a lot of fun until I can especially since I've learned about | this after paying :/ | latexr wrote: | > TLDR; (...) made $1000 in a week | | > (...) | | > I cobbled together an MVP over a few weeks. | | > (...) | | > Even though I still haven't made the money back on all the | emoji domains I bought | | So it took longer than a week and you haven't made any money. If | you're having fun and things are going well by your metrics, why | exaggerate ( _especially_ ) in the TLDR? | | It brought me back to a recent Indie Hackers post[1]: | | > It took me a while to both learn how this stuff works and also | that those posts can exaggerate or hide information to better | sensationalize the post. | | [1]: https://www.indiehackers.com/post/i-made-my-first-20-but- | did... | zacharycohn wrote: | You're a monster. This was a delightful read. | silentsea90 wrote: | This is so cool, wish I were as good an engineer as you! I am | sadly trapped in my backend big tech world and haven't spent time | nor effort to dig myself out of that hole | AndyMcConachie wrote: | ICANN SSAC Advisory on the Use of Emoji in Domain Names | | https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-095-en.pdf | | A good document outlining many of the issues with using Emoji in | domain names. | e-clinton wrote: | Great job. Consider offering a more expensive option like $50 | free forever. Also $10/year feels cheap for such a fun | project.... try a random number like $16, I'm sure you'd have | similar conversion. Kudos | anoncow wrote: | Ben Stokes is also a very popular English cricketer. | marckohlbrugge wrote: | Emoji domains are a lot of fun for sure. | | Shameless plug: A few years ago I discovered them for the first | time and made https://.to which listed all available single-emoji | domains for the .to extension. | | Within a few days hundreds of emoji domains were registered and | very few were left. I think I netted the registrar 10,000s of $$$ | in days. (I got a nice commission myself as well of course). | | Edit: okay so HN doesn't like emoji domains - here's a blog post | that goes into more detail with the actual URL: | https://marc.io/emoji-domains | LeonM wrote: | This service should come with a big fat warning that the emoji | email addresses should never be used for anything remotely | serious. | | Running an email service is not, by any means, a 'tiny project'. | I would never pay, nor rely on an e-mail service that is | effectively a one-men side project. | | I just took a quick check on the 'mailbox' domain (I can't paste | emoji here on HN). There seems to be no DMARC, no MTA-STS and no | TLS-reporting set up for these domains. The SPF record allows a | single /48 (65k) IPv6 block of addresses to send email on behalf | of the domain. The MX does not seem to support TLS. The SPF | record seems to be added at the '@' domain, so it is returned on | every query, even where it is not supposed to be returned, so you | can be sure DKIM will fail (you _did_ set up DKIM, did you?). | Just to name a few issues. | | But even if implemented perfectly, there are _a lot_ of | 'enterprise' email 'solutions' out there that are not even close | to implementing even the most basic of RFCs. Do not expect them | to support punycode. Do not expect your emoji email to de | deliverable to any of these services. | swiley wrote: | I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't expect something like this | to work reliably. | thatguy0900 wrote: | He advertised it to a general audience on tic tok,and it is a | service people pay for. Why would they not expect it to work? | That makes no sense to me. It seems that way because you | understand how dysfunctional email is. I would be upset if I | bought a service for something I don't understand that is | normally completely functional and free and when I relied on | it it broke only for people who understand it to laugh at me | because I should have just known that vendor was unreliable. | notsureaboutpg wrote: | This isn't true at all. Many many many of my non-technical | family members would not have any clue why emoji domain names | and emoji email addresses could not be used. They love emoji | (like most people) and want to use them everywhere. And if | someone offered them an emoji email address, they'd easily | pay for it and expect it to work like gmail/hotmail/yahoo | | They would not understand the following terms: unicode, | punycode, domain name, mailserver, mail forwarding, tld. They | would even probably reply to the wrong email (the website | shows that the emoji email forwards mail to a normal email | which sends the mail to you, so you should not click "Reply" | on any email forwarded from this service to you). | | Don't assume customers' expectations. | kureikain wrote: | What you say is entirely true. But in practice, this is for | fun, no one gonna use their emoji email for anything important. | But it's great to have an emoji email to give to medium when | they ask for it? Isn't that great. | mrtksn wrote: | That's what Dogecoin's creator said. 7 years later it sits at | 7 Billion $ market cap and it is a big deal. | | After all, people pay money to obtain these. Why anybody | paying a subscription fee would expect that the product is | useless? | ilaksh wrote: | And soon to be the official currency of Starbase, Texas. | Apparently. Although I might be misinterpreting Musk's | tweet. He definitely said Dodge though. | mihaaly wrote: | That is all until The Queen snatches up that reserved | Liz@[crown].kz, after that the MI5 will buy and run the | [union-jack].uk for all governmental parties and typing in | very.important.person@parliament.uk istead of [serious-face- | with-a-tie]@[big-ben] will be considered rude in high | circles, believe me that! | | ;) | LeonM wrote: | > no one gonna use their emoji email for anything important | | I disagree. | | We, as technical HN crowd, know not to do this this. But any | non-technical person who sees 'get a next-gen email | addresses' being advertised for 9,99/year will expect more. A | lot more. | | Do not underestimate how naive and demanding consumers can | be. | rorykoehler wrote: | Caveat emptor | lenkite wrote: | Yep, this is going to bomb big time in the next year or | even less. No doubt there will be fodder for another HN | post.. | kristopolous wrote: | I've become a big fan of structuring onboarding in a way | that makes problem customers never complete. Maybe the OP | should think about how to do that here | diogenesjunior wrote: | >We, as technical HN crowd, know not to do this this | | UWU US HACKER NEWS USERS ARE SO INTELLIGENT!!! | | Worse than reddit. | thatguy0900 wrote: | I mean, normally I would agree with you, but here it's | the case. Someone is paying for an email, address, they | will expect it to work. Noone knows how email actually | works, why should they. | kureikain wrote: | Thank you for open my mind. I see your point now. | ethbr0 wrote: | And for a long time, no one used email for anything | important. | | Very few new things emerge feature-complete. | Invictus0 wrote: | It amazes me how people on HN can handwave away these | huge concerns. Have you met human beings? The users just | sees "email" and thinks it's exactly like gmail except | with a funky emoji in it. It's only a matter of time | before someone tries to pay their taxes with this. | ethbr0 wrote: | You know what breaks, in human beings' experiences? | | Everything. All the time. | | So the holier-than-thou, thou-shall-not-deploy-less-than- | perfect perspective is pretty irrelevant. | | This is a side project. That did something neat. The | author should be commended, not lambasted for not | rebuilding Gmail on their own. | | And God knows the Internet would be a better place with a | little more weirdness again. | thatguy0900 wrote: | I dont think they are being lambasted, they should just | put a warning on their site. Email is a very messed up | ecosystem, and people who use email don't understand | that. This is very cool, there should just be a | disclaimer that this is a side project and will break | often. Email is notoriously a pain in the ass if it's a | full time job, much less a side project that's losing | money. He's not selling this to quirky techies, his | primary advertisement was tic tok. That's kind of | irresponsible to not warn people this should just be for | fun. | a1369209993 wrote: | You're not _wrong_ per se, but rather: there should just | be a disclaimer _on Email_ that this is a very messed up | ecosystem and will break often. It 's not specific to xn | --ds8h.kz et al. | kwhitefoot wrote: | How do you pay your taxes with email? | hedora wrote: | If enough people start using it, the big email providers will | follow, or the new service will get around to fixing it. | | It'll work out either way. | | I'm not going to shed a tear for gmail if they have to start | putting up with someone else's busted non-standard email | infrastructure. They should be able to get what they give. | dylan604 wrote: | >They should be able to get what they give. | | Except, that will never happen. What's more likely, Gmail | changes what they do to accomodate some goofy emoji system, | or users of some goofy emoji system get frustrated about it's | incompatibility and stop using it because it is so | frustrating? I'm not talking about tech nerds on HN or the | likes. I'm talking about FOMO/YOLO types that think it's | "cool", but then new shiny happens, and they just forget | about. One group significantly outnumbers the other. | dmingod666 wrote: | 'Serious', 'enterprise'.. and email addresses ending in star | emoji, eggplant emoji.. wonder how that venn diagram would look | like.. | path411 wrote: | Yes but yourname@[computer] is quite appealing for a dev. I | already bought it from OP | insert_coin wrote: | > This service should come with a big fat warning that the | emoji email addresses should never be used for anything | remotely serious. | | I don't know, we said the same thing about jeans. | kirykl wrote: | If you know so much about this stuff instead of criticizing, | offer to help for a consulting fee and get your own paragraph | in the next update to this story | shp0ngle wrote: | This service doesn't support even sending, just receiving. So I | don't think there is DKIM even considered. | sofixa wrote: | Or SPF for that matter. | toxik wrote: | It should have an SPF record saying nobody can send as that | domain. | motoboi wrote: | It needs DKIM so other people cannot send e-mail pretending | to be you. | LeonM wrote: | It says send support is 'coming soon' on the website, so | expectations are already set for those paying for this | service. | Dries007 wrote: | I bought <beer>@<computer>.kz but it doesn't work, the forwarder | doesn't have SMTPUTF8 support sadly. | | The QA engineer in my couldn't not try that one :) | vbezhenar wrote: | Please note that all kz domains must be served by servers located | inside Kazakhstan. | rntksi wrote: | Can you have emoji@emoji.emoji email address? | | So your email address would just be 5 "characters" including the | @ and the dot | cyberlab wrote: | Just be careful with ccTLDs. Read more about the .IO debacle a | few years back: https://gigaom.com/2014/06/30/the-dark-side-of- | io-how-the-u-... | | Also recently, Notion had issues with their .SO TLD More info | here: https://www.theverge.com/2021/2/12/22280127/notion-down- | sche... | | > but some speculated that it may have to do with Notion's web | address: notion.so. The "so" suffix is the domain for the country | of Somalia, and a deleted tweet from Notion asked if anyone knew | people in Somalia. | finiteseries wrote: | A decade ago, Artsy had to move away from art.sy when Syria was | sanctioned by the US. | | The .ly's and Libya were around that time too, I'm not sure if | any of them were affected though. | easyKL wrote: | TLD .cf supports emoji and can be bought for free (up to 12 | months). Now good luck finding a reseller that processes the | purchase of an emoji domain name..... | Symbiote wrote: | I just bought (not with the free deal) a one-letter emoji .cf | domain name. EUR9 at Freenom.com. | | (It would probably have been better to use the free deal for a | few months first.) | johnbatch wrote: | I'm surprised it doesn't support emoji in the name field. No | <emoji>@<emoji>.kz | Tepix wrote: | When email addresses were standardized, unicode wasn't around. | | For domains and hostnames we have punycode which maps unicode | characters onto the ASCII charset, which is why it works. | | This does not apply to the user portion of the email address. | | Emoji as part of the display name should work, i.e. "Emoji" | <user@emoji.kz> | layer8 wrote: | RFC 6531 adds support for internationalized local-parts. | Support in actual software may be lacking though. | ganzsz wrote: | I sometimes run into sites that won't even allow a + in the | name part of an email address. | | And yes, I use gmail and the + functionality extensively. | layer8 wrote: | In the early days I used "/" in local parts, which is | syntactically valid. That turned out to be a bad idea, as | some mail software was mapping local-parts to file | names... | Doctor_Fegg wrote: | This is a fun hack, but there is no way I would get involved in | providing any form of commercial email service for $1440 arr. I | wouldn't do it for $1440 a _day_. Everything involved with email | is pain. I wish you luck. | scandox wrote: | > Everything involved with email is pain. | | Wish I'd seen this comment 4 years ago. | ludamad wrote: | What would you have done differently? | 177tcca wrote: | Probably not run an email server. =[ | tcgv wrote: | > Everything involved with email is pain | | Agree. Even if you comply with most important technical | standards/requirements you still need to spend a lot of time | overseeing your system, and researching best practices and | recommendations that directly affect domain and IP reputation, | to avoid getting blacklisted. | | Shameless plug: A while ago I decided to try build a home made | SMPT Mail submission component for better understating what's | going on under the hoods (and for "fun"), it was really though, | and once I was able to send a DKIM verifyed e-mail to GMAIL | servers I called it a day and moved on [1] | | [1] https://thomasvilhena.com/2020/01/mail-submission-under- | the-... | zimpenfish wrote: | > Even if you comply with most important technical | standards/requirements | | ...there's no guarantee anyone else will. Currently I am | getting moaned at because the "Money Stuff" newsletter is not | arriving - which appears to be because Bloomberg have flubbed | their DKIM. What am I supposed to do about that, eh? | dieortin wrote: | The other day I setup a postfix server in my VPS, which I | intend to use with mailman3 to have some mailing lists. | | It was a bit of a pain to set up, but nothing too difficult. | The worst part was setting up DKIM and SPF. | | The thing is, I constantly hear people saying that managing an | email server is something extremely difficult and that requires | constant attention. | | Am I doing something foolish by attempting to do this by | myself? Should I just pay for a big email provider? (They're | quite expensive for the resources my organization has) | | I've tried to set everything up as securely as possible, but | I'm not an expert in email either. I'm just afraid I might be | creating big trouble for myself in the future. | TimBurr wrote: | I set up a personal mailserver a few years back, and have hit | a lot of painpoints. The main ones were software complexity | (setup) and dealing with blacklists (ongoing). | | Setup for a normal mailserver requires Postfix (SMTP | send/recieve), Dovecot (IMAP mailbox management), | SpamAssassin, a webmail frontend (Roundcube), something for | user management (MySQL + PHPMyAdmin for me) and a generous | amount of glue. Things like DNS records, config files, spam | rules and classifiers, etc). | | Blacklists are far more annoying, especially w.r.t. GMail. I | use a DigitalOcean node, and some of their IP ranges are | blacklisted due to past spamminess. Depending on the | provider, there may or may not be a bounce email, and may or | may not be a whitelisting process. I've even seen mixed | results within GMail. I can send from my custom domain to my | GMail without trouble, but emails to a friend using a custom | domain on GMail are dropped silently. (That's the worst of | self-hosting, I think. Silently dropped messages are way | harder to detect than a mailer-daemon block notification.) | | Long story short, it's a mess :) | | On the flipside, similar commercial plans (3 domains, 20GB | shared storage) run $30/mo or so, which is way more than I'm | willing to spend on a vanity email. Sounds like a similar | story for mailing lists. | | I'd give self-hosting a shot and see how it goes. Since | mailing lists are opt-in, users will know if they aren't | receiving what they signed up for, and are likely to reach | out for support help. That's different than conventional | email, where a silent drop and no reply are hard to tell | apart for the recipient. | | Hope that wasn't too much info/text, and good luck! | amenod wrote: | Note that OP is actually generating loss at this point - 300 | domains at $8 equals $2400, which is in itself bigger than the | income. | | Can you maybe share what problems OP might have? I have toyed | with an idea of starting something similar and would love to | know what I'm getting into. | notsureaboutpg wrote: | But in one year he'll have almost doubled his investment | unless subscriptions all cancel within the year (highly | unlikely with things like domain names / email addresses / | etc.) | texasbigdata wrote: | That was before HN though! You have any idea how many | eggplant emoji handles he's sold since? | manquer wrote: | Depends. If he is actually running only a forwarder , it is | much easier than running an full fledged service with mailboxes | and other support. | LeonM wrote: | Running a 'forwarder' still means that you have manage the | MTAs, and all the infrastructure around it. It's still a lot | of work. | closeparen wrote: | This is awesome. But why make the recipient copy and paste the | reply address? Can't you use the Reply-To header? | unnouinceput wrote: | OK, so somebody sends an email to one of those cute emoji | addresses he has the service implemented for. Now the recipient | hits reply - where does it go? From article I understood he did | some forward service in order to avoid direct emoji domain | blocking. So the recipient will hit reply and at the "Send to" | field will be the email address of the normal domain, not the | emoji one. How do you overcome this? | had-rien wrote: | I've purchased an email to try it (not for serious stuff of | course). | | So for now you cannot send an email, only receive one. | | When someone sends an email to your emoji account then it s | forwarded to an actual email address of your choice. The mail | will have the following signature at the end : | | Sent via Mailoji. Don't reply to this email. Reply to the | sender email address below | | From Sender Name: sender@email.com to your Mailoji you@emoji.kz | | --------- | monstersinF wrote: | Fun idea! But It's too bad that Kazakhstan's decision to MITM all | HTTPS traffic makes this a nonstarter for actual use | | https://www.zdnet.com/article/kazakhstan-government-is-now-i... | Tepix wrote: | That seems completely unrelated to an email service, especially | if most of its users are outside of Kazakhstan. | qmarchi wrote: | .kz registrants, like many ccTLDs, are required to host core | services within the borders of Kazakhstan. | scaladev wrote: | They don't MITM anything. There were a few ridiculously | incompetent failed attempts. There will undoubtedly be more, | but HTTPS works fine at the moment. | | Just wanted to clarify this. | dbrgn wrote: | With the state of unicode support in the legacy systems that | make up of our e-mail infrastructure, I doubt any emoji domain | will be ready for any actual use, where you rely on e-mails | being actually delivered to you. | totetsu wrote: | Emojis are "fun" in the same way hallmark melody greeting cards | are "fun" | amenod wrote: | I have a domain that would be great for an e-mail forwarding | service, but I have second throughts about starting it... Is | there someone here with experience in this area? What should the | OP be most scared of? | Tepix wrote: | Abuse by spammers and criminals, DDoS and hacking attempts for | starters. | | Lots of spam complaints to handle manually. Also payments using | stolen credit cards. | kureikain wrote: | I run an email forwarding service call https://hanami.run | | It's fun because you gotta learn alot about email. Especially | when you play with DKIM, ARC chain you found yourself reading | through RFC. Or when I discover weird issue like this: | https://hanami.run/blog/posts/the-quirks-of-gmail-ui/ | | I think the OP mail one is for fun, people who registered an | emoji email properly expect some fun aspect and OK with email | being lost. | | In practice, the most scared thing is having your IP on | blacklist. Very quickly people will complain when they lost | email or too many email goes to spam or just rejected | completely. | | Due to the nature of email forwarding, people usually own the | domain, so they use random address for many random | website(coupon, download free ebooks, shitty newsletter...) so | it attract a large amount of spammer I have to constantly deal | with now. When gmail return a 550 in their SMTP server(550 mean | they block/rate limiting), I got a bit worry at first but I | learnt to live with it nowsaday | bikson wrote: | I'm still don't know why emoji's are a thing. | krapp wrote: | People like to communicate their emotions through cute | pictograms, it's not difficult to understand. | Biganon wrote: | I find it fascinating that some people fail to understand | that. It's so obvious. Emojis are hugely useful to convey | intent and emotion. But they're relatively new, so I suppose | they're automatically stupid, get off my lawn etc etc | macksd wrote: | Emotional context is easily lost over text. Adding an emoji at | the end helps makes it more explicit when you're employing | irony, sarcasm, or when expressing a genuine emotion like | sadness. | [deleted] | sshagent wrote: | I think i might have realised I've become old, when the very idea | of an emoji domain causes me anger. _sigh_ | capableweb wrote: | Don't think it's about age. I'm also considered old (in the | technology sphere at least) and I don't really enjoy the | "emoji" humor either, but I don't get mad about seeing them. | Let others have their fun, no need to get angry about things | you cannot control. | sshagent wrote: | Yeah thats what i meant. I should see the fun as the primary | part of this. I guess we're just one step away from meme | email addresses. | robotbikes wrote: | I think I'm old in that I was thinking how would I write this | emoji email address on paper. Also I can just imagine the | joys of form validation when you add an emoji into the email | address. On the other hand I doubt most email harvesting bots | crawling the web would be configured to recognize an emoji | email. | thrwyoilarticle wrote: | You shouldn't use any vanity email address as your only | address, unless you want your online life lost to inbound | GMail and outbound corporate filters. So, if there's a | situation where you need to write it down, use the | 'serious' address. | ttt0 wrote: | I'm not old and I hate it. I don't even know how to insert | an emoji on a computer. | mfkp wrote: | I'd be more inclined to use it if he doubled up on the domains, | for example also providing "clownemoji.kz" as well as (actual | clown emoji).kz (so if I were to tell someone my email is "mfkp | at clown emoji dot kz", they could either use the clown emoji, or | spell it out. | [deleted] | prepend wrote: | > I setup an email forwarder to route all email sent to .ws to my | regular email address. >Eagerly I typed ben@.ws into the "to" | field of gmail and hit send. > The email never hit my inbox. It | was lost forever in cyberspace. | | I think this was just caused by Gmail now working when a message | is sent and received at the same account. It just disappears. [0] | | It's really annoying, it's not part of a spec, it's just gmail. | | I ran into this because I have some forwarders too and if I send | an email from gmail that goes out, when my external mail server | sends it back to gmail it never gets there. It's not deleted, | it's not marked as spam, it just doesn't exist and there's no | record. | | I suspect if author had sent from another account it would work | fine. | | [0] https://support.dnsimple.com/articles/troubleshooting- | email-... | mns wrote: | Exchange also does this, if you are part of a group, send an | email to that group, you will never get it. We ran into it when | one of our systems were sending an alert for a failed action to | a group, but it was sending it on behalf of the person that | tried to do that action and eventually failed. Everyone in the | group was getting the email, except the original person. | prepend wrote: | That's not so bad, but it's not as bad as gmail. | | Exchange will return a message that comes back to the mailbox | via a forward. Also, I think, Exchange is doing this because | the list is on server and it's part of Exchange's deduping. | If I send to the list and foo and foo is in the list, foo | gets one email, not two. | | For example, I have foo@gmail.com, foo@outlook.com, | foo@prepend.com. | | I set up foo@prepend.com to forward to foo@gmail.com. | | If I send a message from bar@gmail.com to foo@prepend.com, it | comes through as expected. | | If I send the same message from foo@gmail.com, I never get | it. Prepend.com's mail server has a record of sending it to | gmail.com, but my gmail account has no evidence of it | anywhere. | | If I change foo@prepend.com to forward to foo@outlook.com, I | don't have this problem. | [deleted] | kureikain wrote: | This is the most confuse part of gmail. I run an email | forwarding service and I got this exact problem. | | I ended up build a "Test button" where customer click, then we | send an email from our own address and let them know why we did | that and also link to your link. | | Gmail is no doubt very useful but they have quite of few of | quirks. | hedora wrote: | This is a "feature". If an incoming message is "from" the | recipient account, and somehow makes it past the spam filter, | it puts it in sent. | | In a perhaps apocryphal story, at least one person was fired | when a malicious coworker used this to forge harassing emails | from the victim. | wccrawford wrote: | Can confirm. This bit me recently until I thought to use | another account for testing. | tyingq wrote: | I'm confused, as I'm able to send and also forward messages | from myself to myself just fine in gmail. How would I recreate | this? Does it only come up for emails coming from outside of | gmail? | prepend wrote: | You need a third party in between. | | That's what is crazy and took me a long time to debug. If I | send from my gmail to myself it works fine. | | But if I send to an external mail account that redirects back | to me it's gone. | | You can test this with any mail server you run. You can | theoretically run a mail server locally and test it if you | have DNS resolution that gmail can see. | | I use cpanel on one of those countless Linux shared hosts and | they have a decent mail admin, I expect any other host will | have the same or similar. | davchana wrote: | set up an account two@any.com. | | Two@any.com forwards every incoming email to one@gmail.com | | Send an email from one@gmail.com to two@any.com (which will | automatically get forwarded back to one@gmail.com). | | There will be no incoming email back in one@gmail.com. it | will disappear at two@any.com | Tyr42 wrote: | Should be in your sent folder right? | prepend wrote: | Yes, but it never gets to inbox. So it looks to the client | exactly the same as a broken forward config, or some other | bug where the recipient mail server doesn't error back. | abdullahkhalids wrote: | Is this some sort of abuse protection, where people use gmail | as free storage? | LeonM wrote: | Gmail already is free storage, AFAIK it shares you data quota | with you Google drive account. | | Most likely this is a 'mail-loop' prevention. If you setup | two accounts that forward to each other, then emails will be | stuck in an infinite loop. Inject a couple of multi-megabyte | emails into that loop and you can take down the entire | service. This is effectively a DOS attack. | londons_explore wrote: | It could also be an implementation detail. | | Mail messages have a unique identifier. Gmail might just | concatenate the mail identifier with your account | identifier to use it as a primary key to store your email | in the "mails" bigtable. | | If you send email to yourself, when it comes to put the | mail into the mails bigtable, the result will be "primary | key already exists, cannot insert" | prepend wrote: | Maybe similar to this, but it works if my message stays | in gmail when I send from my gmail straight to my gmail. | prepend wrote: | I don't think so as email forwarding is pretty basic and it's | blocked even for tiny messages. | | I suspect it was just some stupid developer pre-optimizing, | thinking they were clever and not thinking through use cases. | "Every email from me to me will skip external routing and | just get flagged in storage; therefore, any email from and to | me and not through that process must be fraud and we'll just | save the user from that and black hole it." | kube-system wrote: | IIRC, at one point in time, there was a way to evade spam | filtering by setting the "from" and "to" to the recipient. | Maybe this has something to do with that | prepend wrote: | Perhaps but this is where gmail is being stupid as they | should be able to authenticate that the message actually | was genuinely generated from a gmail account. | rwmj wrote: | I don't know if it's related to this, but gmail deduplicates | emails based on the Message-Id. This is entirely broken | behaviour and causes trouble for us with mailing lists (eg. a | mail is sent to the inbox and a mailing list, or sent to two | mailing lists). Another in the list of reasons not to use | gmail. | nashashmi wrote: | But if you send yourself an email, you will get it? How does | deduplication work for that? | [deleted] | rplnt wrote: | Cool, but I also wish this wouldn't exist. | heleninboodler wrote: | Neat. Suggestion: it would be useful to have a text search so I | can see if you have a particular emoji without having to squint | at the whole list. | Thoughtful wrote: | Emojis in subject lines can sometimes cause issues with ticketing | systems, so I can only imagine how ticketing systems will like | emojis as domains. | beiller wrote: | My God! I've been waiting for this since the day the architects | told me "only ASCII characters are allowed in the email database | field" | williesleg wrote: | Hooray? | sitzkrieg wrote: | the author may like to know Cyrillic doesn't automatically mean | Russian | simias wrote: | The website is in Russian though. The author probably knew that | because he had to use some online translation tool to go | through the purchase process. | | Fun fact: the Kazakh government decided to replace Cyrillic | with Latin for the Kazakh language. Apparently the process is | supposed to end in 2025, but I have no idea how widely adopted | the new alphabet is at the moment. | scaladev wrote: | >I have no idea how widely adopted the new alphabet is at the | moment | | Not much. Most publications and websites are still using the | old alphabet, including the most important government portal | which is used by pretty much everybody: | https://egov.kz/cms/kk | | I rarely see it on anything more substantial than ad banners | and propaganda posters (like "don't litter" and "vote for our | beloved leader"). | sitzkrieg wrote: | ah wow neat | acvny wrote: | This promotional video is epic: | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKxEXZv4G3c | sixhobbits wrote: | I'm confused by the post about if I can buy g@ or only g@.kz - | the post seems to suggest the former but I don't understand how | that would work | sixhobbits wrote: | oh HN doesn't support emojis - that is | g@<unicorn-emoji>.kz | | or g@<unicorn-emoji> | kuon wrote: | I think you need the .kz, if you don't, I can officially say | that I am out of the tech game and need to go grow potatoes. | wohfab wrote: | You need a TLD but IIRC, the second level is not required. | So you _could_ have something like `http://google`, which I | think, Google actually had at some point in the past. | Cannot however find anything related to this anymore. | sofixa wrote: | The .ai TLD has an A record, so http://ai/ works. | kuon wrote: | Yes, this I understand. But not the other way around. | Biganon wrote: | I wrote a post about that: | https://www.simonjunod.ch/projets/webtld/ | | It's in French, but it's easy to understand the gist of | it | sschueller wrote: | I am also confused. I assume the email address would always | be postfixed with .kz or the email would not arrive. | bellyfullofbac wrote: | Yeah, the YouTube ad shows this (there's a quick screenshot | of an email address with .kz after the emoji). But the ad | also does the trick of eliminating the ccTLD after gmail | and yahoo, it asks you "Still using an @gmail address?" ... | well I use an @gmail.com address, but I see what you did | there, you eliminated the .com so you could also hide the | fact that your emoji address actually needs a .kz at the | end. | _s wrote: | g@<emoji>.kz | mminer237 wrote: | You need the TLD. He was just saying that he was looking for | TLDs where it was currently possible to register a single emoji | as the second-level domain. He found .kz and is now selling | <whatever>@<emoji>.kz | CalChris wrote: | That was freaking awesome. | | Basically it's a long and technical shaggy dog story. He started | with an insane premise ( _emoji domain name_ ?!), added enough | detail ( _The night of 150 emojis_ ) to strain even a willing | suspension of disbelief yet still without breaking it, and then | ended with an anti-climactical (because it _is_ a shaggy dog | story even if true) $1440 /year ARR. | | Bravo. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2021-03-11 23:00 UTC)