[HN Gopher] "This Browser Is Lightning Fast": Effects of Messagi...
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       "This Browser Is Lightning Fast": Effects of Messaging on Perceived
       Performance [pdf]
        
       Author : cpeterso
       Score  : 76 points
       Date   : 2021-03-12 20:44 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | cblconfederate wrote:
       | You can fool some people some times, but people use the browser
       | every day, if it s not fast they ll use another.
       | 
       | And afaik firefox isn't planning an IPO or being acquired by
       | google so i dont see why they would want to use these cheap
       | tricks
        
         | hu3 wrote:
         | Mozilla's main income comes from Google being default search
         | engine on Firefox. I think it's about half a billion dollars
         | per year.
         | 
         | It's in their absolute best interest to market Firefox as much
         | as possible.
        
       | hu3 wrote:
       | Abstract
       | 
       | With technical performance being similar for various web
       | browsers, improving user perceived performance is integral to
       | optimizing browser quality. We investigated the importance of
       | priming, which has a well-documented ability to affect people's
       | beliefs, on users' perceptions of web browser performance. We
       | studied 1495 participants who read either an article about
       | performance improvements to Mozilla Firefox, an article about
       | user interface updates to Firefox, or an article about self-
       | driving cars, and then watched video clips of browser tasks. As
       | the priming effect would suggest, we found that reading articles
       | about Firefox increased participants' perceived performance of
       | Firefox over the most widely used web browser, Google Chrome. In
       | addition, we found that article content mattered, as the article
       | about performance improvements led to higher performance ratings
       | than the article about UI updates. Our findings demonstrate how
       | perceived performance can be improved without making technical
       | improvements and that designers and developers must consider a
       | wider picture when trying to improve user attitudes about
       | technology.
        
       | fullstckuxdev wrote:
       | There is no date in the paper...
        
         | topaz0 wrote:
         | March 10, 2021
         | 
         | https://arxiv.org/abs/2103.06181
        
       | godelmachine wrote:
       | Coming straight to it - in my perception, performance-wise
       | ranking would be -
       | 
       | 1. Microsoft Edge
       | 
       | 2. Google Chrome
       | 
       | 3. Mozilla Firefox
       | 
       | Although Firefox is a RAM guzzler and can get excruciatingly
       | slow, I made Firefox my primary browser after I got fed up of
       | Google AMP, was surprised to so many useful features in Firefox,
       | such as sending tabs across Mobile - Desktop.
       | 
       | Edge has done a pretty decent job, thought I have some issues
       | with their freezing tabs and recently introduced vertical tabs.
        
         | toast0 wrote:
         | I haven't tried the new Edge, but the old Edge used to get into
         | states where button presses on the controls would be queued.
         | That's not great for performance perception. (Incidentally,
         | firefox on Android sometimes gets there too, especially after
         | viewing npr org, hmm)
        
           | godelmachine wrote:
           | Edge Legacy would be deprecated this year, along with IE,
           | AFAIK.
        
         | astrange wrote:
         | Firefox has some of the best memory tools and your problems
         | could always be extensions. (Or if not, getting a content
         | blocker extension might help.)
         | 
         | Check about:memory.
        
         | progval wrote:
         | Did you read an article about Edge's performance recently?
        
       | jedberg wrote:
       | I think the priming effect is more subtle though. What people
       | express _out loud_ might be primed, but their actual feelings may
       | not change. I wish we had kept the data on this, but our search
       | experiment at reddit is a good counterpoint:
       | 
       | At one point we measured how search was doing, so we added a
       | button to the top of the search results that said "did you find
       | what you're looking for?". 70% clicked yes. Not great, not awful.
       | 
       | Then we upgraded the search engine, but didn't tell anyone.
       | Suddenly that stat jumped to 90%+. But people would still
       | complain just as much about how bad search is. Many months later,
       | we finally announced that we had changed the search engine.
       | 
       | The stats on the button didn't change, but the public narrative
       | did. So what people say they perceive and how they actually feel
       | may not necessarily match.
        
         | bombcar wrote:
         | People remember two things - when things don't work, and when
         | they start working.
         | 
         | The first is why people will complain something is "crappy" if
         | they had one bad experience with it, and the second is why the
         | "new" thing is often perceived as better EVEN if it has more
         | problems than the old - as long as it doesn't have the same
         | problems.
         | 
         | After awhile the "new" wears off and it's crappy again.
        
         | dale_glass wrote:
         | Such things are very tricky, because negative experiences are
         | remembered vividly. Search working is expected, search not
         | working is a huge problem. Also, search is a hard thing to get
         | right.
         | 
         | When it goes wrong on reddit, it goes annoyingly wrong. For
         | instance, my main issue is that some searches return a flood of
         | irrelevant content. Searching for some games brings a flood
         | from r/GameSwap or some such place. Or, trying to search about
         | Nikola Corporation will bring up a whole lot of sports
         | personalities.
         | 
         | That makes sense in that it's a tough problem to solve, but
         | what's annoying is that it has to be dealt by hand every time.
         | I can write a filter, but what I'd really like is a permanent
         | setting: "I'm not ever interested in results from /r/GameSwap
         | or /r/SportsSubreddit". Also it might be helpful to be able to
         | set a limit how much stuff can come from a single subreddit,
         | because some contain very repetitive content that drowns out
         | all useful results.
         | 
         | Edit: Also, search should parse youtube URLs and ignore HTTP vs
         | HTTPS, youtube.com vs youtu.be and the ?feature=share junk at
         | the end. I can't be the only one who thinks "This must have
         | been discussed on Reddit, and the discussion has to be more
         | useful over there", but Reddit comparing the URLs literally
         | makes it annoying to find matches.
        
         | steve_adams_86 wrote:
         | I'm not sure why people hate Reddit search so much. I've never
         | used it much, but when I have, it's been fine over the last
         | decade or whatever.
         | 
         | The narrative is so strong though, I'm not sure how you could
         | defeat that without creating a radically different solution
         | that derails the narrative.
        
           | faizshah wrote:
           | I've been using reddit since around 2012 and throughout that
           | time I rarely used Reddit's search mainly because it didn't
           | search through comments in a post to score relevance. The
           | only times I would use Reddit's search was if I remembered
           | some words or phrases in the posts title and I had a specific
           | post in mind I was looking for. I'm also pretty sure that
           | back then the relevance of search results in general using
           | Reddit's search was far inferior to site:reddit.com
           | specifically in query expansion (synonyms & misspellings in
           | particular).
           | 
           | I only started using Reddit's search recently because of
           | changes to google that make reddit search results have
           | incorrect times.
        
           | FalconSensei wrote:
           | I hate that in the new design, when I'm IN a specific
           | subreddit, there's no way to limit search to that specific
           | subreddit. After the search is done, it'll show a link do
           | only display results from inside that subreddit, but 100% of
           | the time I'm in a subreddit, I want results from that
           | subreddit.
           | 
           | Edit: adding that because of the search, and lack of managing
           | multi-reddits, I'm still using the old reddit with the RES
           | extension
        
         | cameldrv wrote:
         | The fact that the search engine changed though is information.
         | If the search engine is the same, maybe they had 490 mediocre
         | experiences with the old one, and then 10 better ones. Since
         | it's the same search engine, they're going to average all of
         | those together and say it sucks.
         | 
         | If you tell them that the search engine is brand new, they'll
         | reset their expectations and only look at the new data to make
         | a judgment.
        
         | Stupulous wrote:
         | I am guessing that most people wouldn't use reddit search
         | because of its reputation, so the 90% of people saying they
         | found what they were looking for were a small % of users. When
         | you posted that you updated search, a lot of people who had
         | given up on it might have tested it out again and changed their
         | opinions.
         | 
         | Does that check out with your data?
        
           | jedberg wrote:
           | Sadly I don't remember nor have the data. But that is
           | certainly possible and could have skewed the data.
        
         | kempbellt wrote:
         | Besides the rare "OMG! This is AMAZING!", people who are upset
         | by something are much more likely to make noise than people who
         | are content with it. It's just how we are wired.
         | 
         | Odds are, no changes you make will completely silence the loud
         | few, and even if it does, it'll trigger others. You can track
         | engagement though. If the majority of people silently but
         | demonstrably show that they enjoy how things are, you have a
         | solid foundation to build on. The numbers will speak for
         | themselves.
        
       | marcodiego wrote:
       | A classic: mojave experiment
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsStHxtVr_w
        
       | smoldesu wrote:
       | I'm prepared to catch a lot of shit for this, but I get the
       | feeling this is where we're at with the M1. Yes, the M1 Macbook
       | Air is faster than Intel Macs, but that's not a high bar of
       | entry. People were reasonably frustrated with how Apple gimped
       | Intel's CPUs to run in ultra-thin machines, so why take that
       | anger out on Intel? Intel is far from being the best company on
       | the block (or even the CPU space), but it's pretty concerning to
       | watch how fast people jump to conclusions based on the messaging
       | they get from YouTube and Twitter. I've argued about this with
       | several Apple users, and it always boils down to the same closing
       | argument: "but I want to use a Mac!" There's nothing wrong with
       | that, but it's certainly a certainly a better place to start than
       | "This x is so fast!"
        
         | neogodless wrote:
         | I'm not sure what you're getting at.
         | 
         | I might agree that the M1 Air being faster than the previous
         | Macbook Air is one reason why users perceive it as faster,
         | though that doesn't really explain it seeming "much faster."
         | You'd also have to argue that Big Sur makes up for some of the
         | difference, and assume comparisons aren't being made between
         | updated Intel Macbook Airs.
         | 
         | I haven't had an opportunity to use an M1-based device, so I
         | really just have to accept that it's surprisingly fast. Of
         | course, just like some "want to use a Mac", I "want to use a
         | gaming PC/laptop" and so I do. And my gaming PC and laptop are
         | both "very fast." I don't know that their speed would
         | _surprise_ people coming from older, Intel-based PCs or
         | laptops, though depending on what they are doing, they might.
         | 
         | But I still don't know what point you're trying to make. I
         | guess you're just saying people read that the M1 machines are
         | fast, and so they think they are. But there also benchmarks
         | that show it performs remarkably well, on par with low-wattage
         | Ryzen laptop CPUs and in some benchmarks / single-core with
         | high-wattage Ryzen desktop CPUs, which are really fast.
        
       | toomim wrote:
       | Great! More Academic articles about how to lie to users and
       | convince them that your software is better than the competition
       | without actually making it better.
       | 
       | Dark Patterns are the new Light Patterns!
        
         | toomim wrote:
         | Here's another academic article about how to lie to your users
         | from just 8 days ago:
         | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26345283
         | 
         | Truth is so 1995. Nobody cares about honesty anymore!
        
           | switch007 wrote:
           | I wonder if we're happier when we're lied to. Reality kind of
           | sucks
        
             | modzu wrote:
             | brave new world
        
               | gumby wrote:
               | Same old world
        
         | _Microft wrote:
         | Thought experiment: two programs take exactly the same time to
         | complete a task but one of them is _perceived_ as slow and the
         | other as fast (for whatever reason). Shouldn 't this make the
         | latter the better one of the two programs? At least I would
         | count "being less annoying than the other program" (assuming
         | that perceived slowness is annoying) as a positive feature.
        
           | toomanyducks wrote:
           | If the only basis for perception of speed is essentially
           | deceit, ``being less annoying'' means it lies to you more ---
           | I don't think I'd call that an intrinsically positive
           | feature.
        
             | _Microft wrote:
             | Why should the perception of speed have to be based on
             | deceit?
             | 
             | I bet I would perceive a progress bar that progresses with
             | constant speed as faster than one that stalls and stutters
             | even when both of them take the same time to completion.
             | Even more if the alternative would be an indefinite
             | progress indicator (hourglass pointer, spinner) that just
             | goes away when the task finishes.
             | 
             | On the other hand if the result is that a user is less
             | annoyed by a process, I do not see why it should be wrong
             | to convey that feeling artificially by setting up a
             | situation in which the same result makes them feel better
             | than in a more "honest" one (as you might call it?).
        
               | matthewrobertso wrote:
               | I definitely agree that showing a progress bar makes a
               | slow operation feel faster, I've seen this work many
               | times.
               | 
               | I think I disagree about the constant speed vs stuttering
               | progress bar example though - Progress bars which
               | progress smoothly are great if they are accurate. But
               | because sometimes a UI will show a fake progress bar
               | smoothly filling that will empty after filling and fill
               | again, I've been trained to become skeptical of them. I
               | don't think I've ever seen a stuttery progress bar that
               | was "fake" in that way.
        
         | RedShift1 wrote:
         | I agree, instead of making it look faster, make it actually
         | faster. Websites these days are filled with unnecessary crap
         | that just slows things down, start by eliminating those things
         | ffs.
        
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