[HN Gopher] It's time to build: a New World's Fair
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       It's time to build: a New World's Fair
        
       Author : camwiese
       Score  : 175 points
       Date   : 2021-03-16 19:05 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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       | harles wrote:
       | > Unfortunately, this all started to change after the U.S. put a
       | man on the moon. While this was certainly a "giant leap for
       | mankind," we lacked an understanding of what our next step would
       | be.
       | 
       | Is there supporting evidence of these assertions? There are some
       | interesting ideas in here, but I'm not seeing anything to back
       | them up.
        
       | kaycebasques wrote:
       | The post starts to share a vision for a new fair. Are they
       | proposing that the new fair should actually contain all those
       | elements? Or is it just an example? How were the visions in the
       | previous (successful) fairs agreed upon? Did space go to the
       | highest bidders? Furthermore, was the space divvied up so that
       | NASA had a section (for example) and Ford had their own space? Or
       | was it all intermingled?
        
         | camwiese wrote:
         | Great question. We're planning to compile the most compelling
         | vision of the future that we can. We'll shape the content to
         | suit the technologies available, but also need to ensure we
         | paint a picture of where we _can_ go.
         | 
         | Most Fairs struggle with this because the organizing body has
         | no control over the content of most of the Pavilions. By
         | privately organizing and operating it, the new World's Fair
         | will function more like Epcot where we craft the experience
         | pulling in corporations, countries, and ngo's as we see fit.
         | 
         | Lastly, the Fairgrounds are generally split up into themes with
         | each of the companies/countries hosting their own Pavilion. The
         | map from the 1964 New York World's Fair is a pretty good
         | example of this: http://www.nywf64.com/maps01.shtml
        
       | markdown wrote:
       | If you hold it in the US, it could have only American companies
       | represented and still call it the World's Fair. Just like
       | Baseball.
        
       | drivingmenuts wrote:
       | A World's Fair now would be like The Olympics, a ridiculously
       | expensive, corruption-laden affair that would cost many countries
       | more than they could ever recoup, benefiting only a few rich 1st-
       | world countries and/or multi-national companies. While the
       | average person would see "marvels", they'd be the corporate-
       | approved, mass-market-acceptable marvels that were cleared
       | through legal before being shown to the public.
       | 
       | You can see more innovation in an afternoon spent on blogs than
       | you would ever see in a 6-month long, static display of corporate
       | bullshit.
        
       | koolk3ychain wrote:
       | Yeah no, we should use this money to fund energy research. Trying
       | to woo idiots is a stupid game already won by youtube, online
       | advertising and TikTok.
        
       | devoutsalsa wrote:
       | I'm imagining a future where you can get idempotently vaccinated
       | w/ legit antibodies for any in person event you attend for near
       | instant immunity to illness.
        
       | unixhero wrote:
       | Was Walt Disney's EPCOT vision ever part of the world fair?
        
       | lswainemoore wrote:
       | Nitpicky/unsolicited UI feedback:
       | 
       | I do a lot of double/triple clicking to highlight text as I read
       | online (fidgeting, but also helps keep track of where I am). On
       | your site, triple clicking unintentionally hits the twitter share
       | button, which opens a new, unwanted window. Bit annoying.
       | 
       | Medium does something similar, but they offset the button so you
       | have to move cursor in between clicks to actually trigger the
       | button.
        
         | namrog84 wrote:
         | I do similar things constantly as well. It makes me not enjoy
         | maybe "modern" apps and web apps. That think text highlighting
         | is somehow a bad thing.
        
           | hnick wrote:
           | Sometimes I like to middle click and move my house instead of
           | using the wheel (nicer on my joints). Sometimes I like to
           | even just move it a little and have it auto-scroll as I read.
           | It's a fun game to try and match my pace and more engaging
           | that way. So many websites break these too.
        
         | camwiese wrote:
         | Thank you -- I pieced that feature together. Will tweak!
        
           | jackson1442 wrote:
           | Might I suggest having a spot in the margin devoted to that
           | button, placed either halfway down the paragraph or (if you
           | have a really really long P or selection) halfway down the
           | screen?
        
         | ksm1717 wrote:
         | I'm fascinated by that phenomenon. I don't even notice I'm
         | doing it most of the time, and I'm shocked by how many other
         | people do it.
         | 
         | Specific, common, digital tics. Another one is control-s after
         | a single line changed. Something immensely satisfying about
         | selecting that perfect block of text and making that "altered
         | document" asterisk go away.
        
         | ghostpepper wrote:
         | There are a handful of sites I've encountered that do this and
         | I hate it. Feels like a violation when I can't select text the
         | way I normally do, for some reason.
        
       | git_configured wrote:
       | Was very surprised to not see any mention of Expo2020, which has
       | been hailed as a "World's Fair for the 21st Century". UAE and
       | Dubai put tons of resources and capital into it but obviously had
       | to deal with the issue of in person events in 2020. As I
       | understand it has been rescheduled for the end of 2021...
       | 
       | https://expo2020dubai.ae/en/
        
         | camwiese wrote:
         | Expo 2020 is shaping up to be an incredible project, however
         | I'm still expecting it to fall victim to the same challenge
         | that all Fairs since 1970 have had: a lack of a unifying
         | vision. Since every country presents their own narrative, it's
         | hard to guarantee alignment.
         | 
         | I'm heading out there next month and will hopefully find
         | something inspiring to help shape our efforts.
        
           | whatshisface wrote:
           | I'm not sure how you could have a unifying vision for
           | something as broad and diverse as "the future," or "the good
           | parts of the future," without projecting it down into a
           | simplistic, synthesized work of very fictional storytelling
           | where all resemblance to reality (and consequently all
           | authority) has been sacrificed in favor of comprehensibility
           | and persuasiveness.
           | 
           | In other words, the clearest route to getting people excited
           | about a World Fair involves sacrificing the reason you'd want
           | people excited about a World Fair.
        
             | cmrdporcupine wrote:
             | Have you ever seen the photos from Expo 1937 in Paris? Or
             | read about it?
             | 
             | The organizers put the USSR and Nazi Germany directly
             | across from each other... talk about "unifying vision" ...
             | 
             | https://www.messynessychic.com/2016/09/21/when-paris-
             | invited...
        
             | camwiese wrote:
             | To clarify. There's no unifying vision because most of the
             | Pavilions are developed by large government committees
             | where everyone wants to show off a little bit of
             | everything. As a result, their Pavilions end up being a
             | watered down version of their vision for the future.
        
               | whatshisface wrote:
               | For better or worse, the future itself is to a large
               | extent developed by large government committees - or at
               | least the funding allocation for the cutting-edge
               | research projects that show up at World Fairs are.
        
         | mortenjorck wrote:
         | _> Today, World 's Fairs have been rebranded as "International
         | Expositions" that occur every 5 years, and are a hollow shell
         | of their former glory. They no longer showcase the promise of
         | the future or celebrate achievement. Instead, they serve as
         | national branding exercises, infrastructure development
         | projects masquerading as innovation, architecture competitions,
         | and an opportunity to promote tourism._
         | 
         | I don't know enough about Expo2020 to agree or disagree, but I
         | assumed the author's assessment above was in reference to the
         | series of which the Dubai exhibition is a part.
        
         | caslon wrote:
         | I really don't think Expo2020 counts. Rooting the future in the
         | UAE seems like a losing battle, and it seems like the amount of
         | entities that would choose _not_ to participate would outweigh
         | those that would.
        
           | diebeforei485 wrote:
           | I'm not sure this has any basis in reality, every single
           | country has committed to participating.
        
             | caslon wrote:
             | Countries are made up of _people and companies._ There are
             | _definitely_ people and companies that otherwise would
             | attend were it not at a country with massive human rights
             | issues (like, say, making homosexuality illegal).
        
           | mpalmer wrote:
           | Is there a place on Earth where that wouldn't be the case?
        
             | w-j-w wrote:
             | Given the inventions the author wanted to showcase, the
             | United States seems like the obvious place. While US global
             | dominance has been challenged, it is still very much home
             | to a lot of innovation. My biggest fear is that the fair
             | could wind up being killed by a political squabble about
             | globalism.
        
             | lambda_obrien wrote:
             | The internet? Make it a virtual event, so everyone can
             | attend.
        
               | camwiese wrote:
               | We fundamentally believe in the prosperity of our
               | physical world. The fair itself will be physical, but
               | will have a virtual component so that anyone with a smart
               | phone or, even better, a VR headset, can participate.
        
             | alexchamberlain wrote:
             | Switzerland? The Nordic countries? Even the UK hasn't
             | annoyed most countries to the point we wouldn't welcome
             | guests for something like this.
             | 
             | It's basically the equivalent of the Olympics of the
             | business and science world; of you are granted the honour
             | of hosting, you go out of your way to extend an olive
             | branch.
        
         | adfm wrote:
         | Beyond Expo2020, you can find information on the upcoming
         | Expo2025 in Osaka on the Bureau International des Expositions
         | website[1].
         | 
         | [1]: https://www.bie-paris.org/
        
       | Johnny555 wrote:
       | From the article:
       | 
       |  _...wait eagerly for Jessica Watkins to take the first step on
       | Mars_
       | 
       | There's an unfortunate name collision, I didn't know who Jessica
       | Watkins was so Googled her, and the top results are for a Jessica
       | Watkins who participated in the attack on the USA Capitol... I
       | spent a moment pondering what her link to Mars was.. but farther
       | down the results list is NASA astronaut Jessica Watkins.
       | 
       | It's a shame that the astronaut has her search results cluttered
       | by the insurrectionist. Back when I was doing online dating, I
       | shared a name (and similar age and nearby city) with the brother
       | of a recently convicted serial killer, searching for my name
       | brought up articles about him... I warned potential dates that if
       | they looked me up online, I'm not _that_ guy (which, I suppose,
       | is exactly what the brother of a serial killer would say).
        
         | DoctorBonkus wrote:
         | Yes, a bit unfortunant, and I did the same thing. Being a non-
         | american I thought she was a congresswoman as well. But it's
         | such a minor detail and in the end no less, that it shouldn't
         | detere from the main point of the article
        
         | darig wrote:
         | The first result for DDG is the oath keepers article too, but
         | they feature the astronaut's wikipedia page covering the full
         | right column, including her picture.
         | 
         | I can't compare with Google results because I don't appreciate
         | being spied on.
        
       | dgellow wrote:
       | > Now, flicking your wearable token with impatient fingers, you
       | feel a slight force as your Hyperloop pod comes to a stop.
       | 
       | You lost me at "Hyperloop". How is that a vision of the future
       | when we know for a fact that the idea doesn't make practical
       | sense?
        
         | temp0826 wrote:
         | It's the monorail _of the future!_
        
         | saalweachter wrote:
         | To be fair, most "visions of the future" are filled with
         | impractical ideas.
        
         | Scene_Cast2 wrote:
         | The US already has established air travel. And mass transit via
         | trains is not a technological problem, it is a political and a
         | marketing problem. Hyperloop has the potential to solve the
         | political and marketing problems.
        
           | dgellow wrote:
           | Hyperloop may solve political and marketing problems, but
           | doesn't solve the "cheap, safe, and fast transport problem"
           | in any ways. That's a completely impractical concept.
        
           | bluescrn wrote:
           | Until the first 'hypercrash'
        
           | jcranmer wrote:
           | Hyperloop struggles mightily with the "mass" part of "mass
           | transit." Its theoretical capacity is easily [?]th of an
           | equivalent rail line, and even then you're making some heroic
           | assumptions about how frequently the "pods" can be safely
           | dispatched.
        
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       | albertTJames wrote:
       | World fairs were possible because labor was cheap and the west
       | was rich.
        
       | reactspa wrote:
       | YouTube is the world's fair.
        
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       | xwdv wrote:
       | Why is the future always just a catalog of cool shit you might be
       | able to buy one day if they figure out how to make it?
        
         | jiofih wrote:
         | Did your parents buy a moon landing back in the 60s?
        
       | Aeolun wrote:
       | > They no longer showcase the promise of the future or celebrate
       | achievement. Instead, they serve as national branding exercises,
       | infrastructure development projects masquerading as innovation,
       | architecture competitions, and an opportunity to promote tourism
       | 
       | I kind of feel that these were the exact goals of the original
       | world fairs too.
        
         | tomphoolery wrote:
         | This is true, and the reason for why they are no longer a thing
         | is the same reason why companies don't sponsor theme park rides
         | anymore. They simply don't need to. With the ability to reach
         | more people more quickly with less money over our mass media
         | networks, there's no real reason to sponsor an attraction of
         | any kind.
         | 
         | At any rate, World's Fairs are still happening, just not in the
         | US... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_fair
        
         | _joel wrote:
         | Definitely, there's no difference. Just look at the 1937 Paris
         | Expo.
        
       | ipsum2 wrote:
       | No mention of Expo 2010, which had representation from 65
       | different countries:
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expo_2010_pavilions. I didn't go,
       | but the photos of the architecture from the different countries
       | were beautiful.
       | 
       | > After the six-month run, the Expo had attracted well over 70
       | million visitors. The Expo 2010 is also the most expensive fair
       | in the history of World's Fair, with more than 45 billion US
       | dollars invested from the Chinese Government
        
         | klenwell wrote:
         | > I didn't go, but the photos of the architecture from the
         | different countries were beautiful.
         | 
         | Apparently, the American pavilion was not among them:
         | 
         |  _Now that the US Pavilion has been open for several days, its
         | reviews, to be generous, are mixed. Visitors, after a two-hour
         | wait, enjoy the upbeat attitude of the student "ambassadors"
         | who greet them in Mandarin -- but few are impressed by the
         | three films that constitute the US Pavilion's content. (One
         | reporter noted that the price for the three shorts, about $23
         | million, is more than the production costs of the Oscar-winning
         | film, The Hurt Locker.) The "American people's" sole walk-on
         | are brief vignettes that flicker on the screen and then are
         | gone. Chinese visitors are reported to have remarked,
         | especially after the hype and long wait, "We expected more from
         | America." Visitors exit the theater into a large hall dedicated
         | to fawning over the 60-odd corporate sponsors whose names and
         | brands are the only aspects of American life and culture to
         | which the pavilion accords recognition._
         | 
         | https://www.huffpost.com/entry/an-epic-failure-of-planni_b_5...
        
           | jhu247 wrote:
           | Not necessarily for lack of effort. I was there and Obama
           | recorded a video specifically for the visitors to the US
           | Pavilion.
        
           | thepasswordis wrote:
           | The US seems to have largely decided that any amount of
           | national pride is something to be ashamed of.
        
             | WaxProlix wrote:
             | Is that sarcasm? American nationalism and over-the-top
             | expressions of patriotic pride border on the jingoistic.
        
             | markdown wrote:
             | Ordinary people hang US flags off the front of their
             | houses. In a bizarre indoctrination ritual, they make their
             | kids pledge allegiance to the state from a young age. They
             | think they're the greatest country in the world.
             | 
             | Have you taken a good look at your own country.
        
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               | jiofih wrote:
               | I don't get the fuss with the pledge of alliance (non
               | American here).
               | 
               | > "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States
               | of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one
               | nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice
               | for all."
               | 
               | Why is it bad to declare your commitment to the country
               | you're born in and it's values? It's not like you can't
               | leave (except for the IRS) if you don't like it.
        
               | orf wrote:
               | Borderline indoctrination. You're not pledging commitment
               | to it's "values" and young children are not at an age to
               | have a nuanced discussion or awareness about what those
               | exactly those values are, and make a decision about if
               | they should be declaring a commitment to them or not.
        
               | jiofih wrote:
               | Should everyone wait until their kids turn 18 to start
               | teaching them their own morals and values? You'd just be
               | auctioning their brain to random others who _are_ willing
               | to do that.
               | 
               | I think we either have very different concepts of what
               | indoctrination is, or there is much more beyond the
               | pledge itself, and that is where the real issues are?
        
           | ipsum2 wrote:
           | Definitely, check out the photos on the Wikipedia article I
           | linked. USA looks very plain, compared to Thailand, Taiwan,
           | India, France, Portugal, UK etc. USA's architecture looks
           | closer to North Korea than the others.
        
           | alaxsxaq wrote:
           | Sounds like Disney. Disney World (? - the one in Florida,
           | USA) had a gift shop at the exit to every ride last time I
           | was there. The bean counters probably consider it a great
           | addition, and I'm sure it pays dividends, but that sort of
           | unadulterated cashing in puts me off.
        
         | jonathannat wrote:
         | How do you make sure that the utopian visions in this New
         | World's fair doesn't end up being dystopian?
         | 
         | For example, China showing up with a whole bunch of companies
         | like hikvision or DJI (which are effectively state sponsored)
         | and tries to push for dictatorship enabling tools, tools they
         | are perfecting on concentration camps for Uighur muslims in
         | Xinjiang? Where forced labors/rapes are occuring.
        
         | jhu247 wrote:
         | The pavilions were truly incredible (from what I remember,
         | Saudi Arabia comes to mind, just look at that! https://en.wikip
         | edia.org/wiki/Expo_2010_pavilions#Saudi_Arab...) but like the
         | article says, it felt more like each country's branding
         | exercise rather than any unified vision of the future.
        
         | canadianfella wrote:
         | Was beautiful
        
         | grillvogel wrote:
         | i went to Expo 2005 in Japan which was also pretty cool
        
       | minikites wrote:
       | We as a species gave up trying to solve difficult problems and
       | now we're only concerned with inflating asset prices to feel
       | "wealthy". Smart engineers are working for HFT firms instead of
       | NASA. We've equated "wealth" with "progress" and we're now
       | discovering how hollow all these fake numbers are.
        
         | DubiousPusher wrote:
         | > We as a species gave up trying to solve difficult problems
         | 
         | We live in an era of constant fascinating biological and
         | cosmological discoveries. In the past 3 years we have entered
         | the era of gene therapy healthcare with several genetic
         | treatments recieving approval by he FDA. We are on the cusp of
         | break even if not effective fusion energy.
         | 
         | I cannot deny that the financialization of everything has
         | diminished the moral imperative of some of these efforts but to
         | act as if no one is attacking big problems is silly.
        
           | camwiese wrote:
           | Absolutely. Everyone wants to talk stagnation, but we don't
           | realize how much incredible work is being done in the
           | background. Then, because we live in filtered versions of
           | reality, we don't see it. The Fair serves as a showcase of
           | all of the incredible work being done to shape the future to
           | 1) give people hope and 2) inspire more people to help build
           | it.
        
           | minikites wrote:
           | The fact that every nightly news program includes a report on
           | the stock market (which they invariably conflate with "the
           | economy") but not any of the things you mention is kind of my
           | point. We used to glorify that work. Now the best we can hope
           | for is that it gets ignored lest some senator notice and cut
           | their funding to "eliminate government waste".
        
             | camwiese wrote:
             | One of the largest problems is due to the negative media
             | cycle and focus on things that drive engagement. Hopefully
             | by stepping out of this algorithmically generated world, we
             | can get experiencing the future and imagining their role in
             | it.
        
         | purple-again wrote:
         | I'm a pretty smart guy, or at least I keep getting told that,
         | and I work near HFTs in the finance world. I am also a huge
         | space nerd thanks to a love for things like Star Trek and Star
         | Wars in the 70's 80's. I would take a significant pay cut to
         | work for NASA because that work would feel amazing compared to
         | the grind I've been in.
         | 
         | I am 100% confident I would not be hirable by NASA, confident
         | enough in that assertion to shut down without trying. I think
         | you may have some bias from your media bubble coloring your
         | perception if you truly believe what you wrote is true.
        
           | spacethrowaway1 wrote:
           | I have good news and bad news. The good news is you're
           | probably more hirable than you think. The bad news is it's
           | still just a job.
        
       | u678u wrote:
       | I'm pretty sure they are still going, though less frequently.
       | After 2020 Dubai, 23 is in Argentina and 25 will be in Japan.
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_fair
        
         | camwiese wrote:
         | As stated in the essay, they now operate as "International
         | Exhibitions", not "World's Fairs." There's some nuance to this,
         | but the problem is still the same. These events are national
         | branding exercises & architecture competitions, not a place
         | where the future becomes real.
        
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       | UncleOxidant wrote:
       | I'm not sure we can ever get back to the techno-optimism that
       | characterized much of America in the past. This article seems to
       | suggest that we as a country can become optimistic about the
       | future again by having a World's Fair. That by doing so we'll
       | recapture a shared vision of the future and a shared cultural
       | purpose that we had until it started to fall apart in the 90s.
       | It's a quaint idea, but it doesn't seem likely to succeed in
       | bridging the widening gaps between various tribes. Much of this
       | cultural disintegration was caused by technology.
        
       | mattowen_uk wrote:
       | Here in the UK (and Commonwealth) we had The Great Exhibition:
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Exhibition
        
       | ngcc_hk wrote:
       | Talk to the U, Hk, and B people in Asia, ... sorry but
       | "collective vision" is the problem. NASA does not dominate but
       | individual. Collective is evil and commonness is a crime. Let
       | individual be individual. You do not need this for a steve job to
       | thrive. But any joint ignoring individual rights ... it would be
       | 1984 coming today, as it has and coming to a lot of human beings.
        
       | musicale wrote:
       | I miss the Maker Faire in its heyday, when it was mostly
       | individual inventors and crafters showing cool stuff they had
       | made and how they made them.
        
       | CaptArmchair wrote:
       | I feel the article is, at best, a nostalgic take to a Post-War
       | time between 1945 and 1970. And, at worst, merely an itch to
       | indulge in consuming modern technology.
       | 
       | Both takes are missing the mark about what a World Fair is about.
       | Here's why.
       | 
       | The 3 decades after 1945 were a time when economies of formerly
       | allied nations were booming. In France, these years are known as
       | the "Trente Glorieuses". Many more countries had their own
       | "economic miracle" during this time. Even West-Germany and
       | Austria had their own "Wirtschaftwunder" as their economies
       | bounced back.
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post%E2%80%93World_War_II_econ...
       | 
       | Many parts of the world were still formal colonies to Western
       | nations, or their economies hadn't fully modernized yet to a
       | point where a sizable middle-class has access to democratized
       | /commoditized comforts of a Western lifestyle e.g. aviation,
       | healthcare, education, even sanitation, access to media and so
       | on.
       | 
       | Not to mention the spectre of the Cold War that loomed over these
       | decades.
       | 
       | Against this historic backdrop, the fair is notable because it
       | was a showcase of mid-20th century American culture and
       | technology. That shouldn't really come as a surprise since it was
       | firmly organized within the sphere of influence of America's
       | hegemony.
       | 
       | Such were the times in 1965. And they are incomparable to 2021.
       | The organization of a World Fair in 1965 happened in a vastly
       | different context, with vastly different incentives, interests
       | and motives then it does in 2021.
       | 
       | The author misses that completely and marches blindly onward
       | hence:
       | 
       | > Today, World's Fairs have been rebranded as "International
       | Expositions" that occur every 5 years, and are a hollow shell of
       | their former glory. They no longer showcase the promise of the
       | future or celebrate achievement. Instead, they serve as national
       | branding exercises, infrastructure development projects
       | masquerading as innovation, architecture competitions, and an
       | opportunity to promote tourism. If anything, they're the perfect
       | representation of our current vision for the future: unfocused
       | and uninspiring.
       | 
       | > But it doesn't have to be this way; we can't afford for it to
       | be this way.
       | 
       | > The world has changed dramatically since 1984. We now live in
       | the most incredible time in human history. The internet has
       | brought billions of people together and tech companies have given
       | us supercomputers in our pockets. We're starting to build
       | hyperloops and supersonic jets. We're on the cusp of incredible
       | breakthroughs in genetics, biology, medicine, food science,
       | energy, transportation, manufacturing, computing, and robotics.
       | We're finally going back to the moon and then on to Mars. We've
       | once again seen the power of a collective vision with the record-
       | breaking development of the COVID-19 vaccine.
       | 
       | The World's Fair is a reflection of the World in 2021 and the
       | future. With the complexity of representing 7.8 billion people,
       | an array of sovereign nations which didn't exist in 1965. It's an
       | event which competes with against the complexity of a exploding
       | plethora of modern mass media, new stakeholders, emerging
       | markets, and so on fueled by globalisation, digitization and
       | automatisation.
       | 
       | A Fair isn't just an marketing event, it's a global forum that
       | aims beyond other events that present themselves as global fora
       | or gatherings. It's an opportunity for nations and peoples to
       | present a showcase to the world. It gives them the chance to put
       | a message out. In that regard, the World Fair is akin to that
       | other global event where the world gathers: The Olympics.
       | 
       | The organization of the World Fair is no longer rooted in the
       | political or economical global hegemony of a handful of "first-
       | world" (for lack a better term) nations showing off their
       | industrial might and international prowess, such as it was during
       | the latter half of the 20th century.
       | 
       | The Fair is now also home to many new nations and upcoming
       | economies or regional powers who are making their entrance to the
       | World's stage, and to whom the importance isn't plain
       | "technological innovation" but above all showing themselves to
       | the world, what they have to offer to the world, what their
       | aspirations are, what they hope for the futre, and taking part in
       | the global forum.
       | 
       | In that regard, the vision for World Fair extends far beyond
       | technology per the offical website:
       | 
       | https://www.bie-paris.org/site/en/what-is-an-expo
       | 
       | For sure, there's going to the Moon or Mars, and there are
       | hyperloops and driverless cars, or there's even developing a
       | COVID vaccine. These are wonderful developments. But are they
       | really the developments that need to be put front and center at
       | World's Fair at the expense of everything else? Are these the
       | only developments that should matter to 7.8 billion people in
       | 2021?
       | 
       | The second part from this article seems to voice a want for the
       | World's Fair to limit itself to showcasing technology,
       | engineering and media. To me, it sounds like not much more then a
       | want for being able to indulge in advertising when visiting the
       | Fair. And that comes across as, well, rather tone deaf.
       | 
       | A World Fair isn't about merely basking in the marvels of
       | technology or innovation. It's about the humans and humanity that
       | are represented, visit and meet at a Fair.
        
         | jiofih wrote:
         | Technology and engineering are universal achievements, and a
         | main part of how society as a whole progresses. A sociology
         | focused world fair would just be the words most hated and
         | divisive fair ever, exactly the opposite of what it should set
         | out to achieve.
        
       | colecut wrote:
       | This will probably get some flack and I am not a hardcore burner
       | by any means, I went for a few days in 2010...
       | 
       | But Burning Man to me seems like a bit of a World's Fair. I met
       | some people who brought a massive insect-inspired art car from
       | Australia..
        
       | hyko wrote:
       | Does nobody remember the Millennium Dome?
       | 
       | They had an exhibit called "MoneyZone" which included a tunnel
       | made out of PS1 million in crisp fifties.
       | 
       | Good times.
        
       | fortran77 wrote:
       | The 1963-64 world's fair shaped my entire life. My earliest clear
       | memories were from that fair, and ever since I've been fascinated
       | by "futurism", technology, computers, space, architecture, etc.
       | 
       | Every school and career choice I've made was based on some
       | inspirational spark that hit me there.
        
         | camwiese wrote:
         | Thank you for sharing this. Giving people hope and a belief in
         | the future is what the Fair is all about -- especially in the
         | face of extreme pessimism.
        
       | zestyping wrote:
       | Hmm. I fear that a World's Fair would be an extremely attractive
       | venue for quackery and pseudoscience. How would we avoid that?
        
       | poisonborz wrote:
       | I admire the optimism and motivational tone of the article, but
       | fairs and expos are a thing of the past. We don't need to build
       | elaborate, carefully constructed single-use cities to showcase
       | the scientific advances of the world. Those showcases happen day
       | by day on the internet and mass media.
        
         | postalrat wrote:
         | Nobody lives in the internet or in mass media.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | foateaca wrote:
         | Yet international art fairs and specialty conventions had been
         | taking off for the 20 years before the pandemic. People still
         | like to travel and come together under well organized events.
         | The issue is the wisdom of a city or region pouring in billions
         | of billions for a week-long event. Maybe there's a new model to
         | be invented.
        
         | TedDoesntTalk wrote:
         | The annual CES convention is still popular. I see it as the
         | modern equivalent of the world's fair, even if it is not quite
         | the same and missing some aspects.
        
         | kratom_sandwich wrote:
         | I don't think the argument is valid because it can be applied
         | to nearly every event where people come together, including
         | sporting events and concerts. But like with the Olympic Games,
         | the World's Fair can serve as a catalyst for urban development
         | projects.
         | 
         | Also, the "science showcase" is a thing of the past, the BIE
         | switched to "individual country showcase" a couple of years
         | ago, which makes the whole thing a lot less appealing IMHO, but
         | that's another issue.
        
           | Fordec wrote:
           | I find this perplexing because the Olympic Games is
           | _notorious_ for draining an urban centers resources for years
           | and the result being a bunch of infrastructure that the
           | majority of the time just slowly decays due to the local
           | community not having the same volume of population to fully
           | utilize the utility. The handling of the 2016 games was an
           | especially bad case.
           | 
           | It's overall a nationalistic country level flex at the
           | _expense_ of the local area. It 's part of why only big
           | countries host it, the side affects will only affect one city
           | and you have other places to sustain the nationwide economy
           | despite the hit.
        
             | labster wrote:
             | Speak for yourself. Los Angeles ran a profitable Olympics
             | in 1984 and we look forward to doing so again in 2028. And
             | nationalism is at a low ebb here, given our last four years
             | fighting His Nibs on everything. It's all about competition
             | and entertainment for us. And infrastructure that can be
             | reused for more entertainment.
        
               | Fordec wrote:
               | The 1984 Olympics, considered to be the most financially
               | successful Olympics ever, were ran on the basis of
               | renovating existing infrastructure, not building new
               | stuff in a new city _because_ the previous two Olympics
               | were financial disasters. Also, yes, if you mess up LA
               | the United States will still truck on.
               | 
               | Also Nationalism isn't just flags, hate and hands in the
               | air, it's also an outward expression of ideas and ideals
               | raised on a pedestal to say look how great we are. Such
               | as getting to say "we are all about competition and
               | entertainment" as a story to tell the world as a form of
               | soft power.
        
               | gkop wrote:
               | > profitable
               | 
               | > we look forward to doing so again in 2028
               | 
               | Oligarchs and capitalists benefit, the masses lose
               | though. Especially those most vulnerable
               | socioeconomically.
        
               | xeromal wrote:
               | The hope for the 2028 olympics in LA is more public
               | transportation which is currently being built. It's
               | exciting to see the new lines currently popping up.
        
             | pharke wrote:
             | That always confused me about the Olympic Games. I guess it
             | makes sense if you think about it as an opportunity for
             | pork stuffed building contracts. It would make more sense
             | for each country to have 1 or maybe 2 locations that are
             | reused whenever they host the games. They could also host
             | national level sporting events in the interim. That way
             | they can be maintained and upgraded over the years without
             | saddling municipalities with decaying and unwanted
             | facilities.
        
               | dstroot wrote:
               | I came to say this. Well put. Take my vote.
               | 
               | https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/aban
               | don...
        
               | chha wrote:
               | The problem for most countries is that it can be decades
               | between hosting two Olympics, meaning that facilities are
               | either worn out not fulfilling the current Olympic
               | technical requirements.
               | 
               | Also; very few countries has a need for facilities with
               | the capacity the Olympics require, so this would be a
               | huge burden for most of them.
        
         | nelsondev wrote:
         | Why bother showing up at the Olympics in person? We can just
         | watch it on TV right? :p
         | 
         | But to refute more directly, the unplanned interactions with
         | other visitors, being able to talk directly with makers who
         | built the things you're seeing, the viral sense of wonder; all
         | are good reasons to have it in-person.
        
           | jhbadger wrote:
           | The vast majority of people do just that. The small number of
           | people who actually attend the Olympics in person are 1)
           | journalists covering it 2) relatives of the athletes 3)
           | people living near the venue who attend a few events out of
           | curiosity and maybe have discounted tickets because of where
           | they live 4) wealthy people who can afford the high cost of
           | decent tickets with a clear view of the athletes.
        
         | pjc50 wrote:
         | Who remembers the Millenium Dome? It was a self-conscious
         | emulation of the 1951s Festival of Britain, that ended up being
         | characteristically Blairite bland.
        
           | musicale wrote:
           | The Millennium Dome (notably the Millennium Experience
           | inside) was terrific. I don't know why nobody showed up, but
           | it was really uncrowded and enjoyable to visit!
           | 
           | One futuristic thing that has stuck with me from the
           | Millennium expo was a demonstration of structural/mechanical
           | and electrochemical simulation of the human body with
           | computers, for example the skeletal, muscular, and
           | circulatory systems. Which of course can be augmented with
           | models of various organs and micro-level models of cellular
           | interaction and cell internals. The brilliant bit seemed to
           | be the idea of using a finite element and/or modular
           | decomposition, potentially at multiple levels of resolution
           | and abstraction. It seemed like the sort of thing that could
           | yield huge benefits in medicine, health/fitness, education,
           | and video games/animation. ;-)
        
         | basch wrote:
         | I am very much pro World Fair revival.
         | 
         | But
         | 
         | I am also very Cold War revival. We should be launching
         | competitive science wars with each other, not unlike the
         | Olympics. Set objectives, set time periods, when the time and
         | objective expire all knowledge gained is pooled and published
         | for the world, for free. National or International propaganda
         | campaigns to recruit for teams. Spies, espionage, moles. Not
         | just a science fair, but something a bit more dirty and fun.
        
           | UncleOxidant wrote:
           | > I am also very Cold War revival.
           | 
           | Complete with threats of total annihilation?
           | 
           | > We should be launching competitive science wars with each
           | other
           | 
           | Don't we have this now with competitive global capitalism? I
           | guess it's not the nationstate so much now as the
           | multinational corporation, though, that are the entities
           | competing.
           | 
           | I can kind of understand your wish for a Cold War revival -
           | we certainly had more of a sense of national purpose during
           | that period. But it was driven by fear of the other and I'm
           | not sure that ultimately that's a good motivation.
           | 
           | You'd think that maybe something like a global pandemic would
           | give us a national purpose that would have brought us
           | together, but look what happened, just more fracturing: anti-
           | maskers, anti-vaxxers, even covid-deniers.
        
           | shadowofneptune wrote:
           | Slightly more seriously, something like the International
           | Geophysical Year could be interesting:
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Geophysical_Year
        
         | cosmodisk wrote:
         | Yes and no. I do agree that probably nobody's going to build
         | another Eiffel tower or Crystal Palace any time soon,but we
         | need spaces to explore science, innovation,and simply have for
         | people to do something more interesting than just mindlessly
         | walking through shopping malls. Fairs and expos inspire. I
         | still remember going to a tech expo as a teenager and seeing
         | all these latest gadgets and thinking: I want to be part of it!
         | Now imagine going to one of these in the middle of last century
         | and seeing rockets, nuclear car prototypes and things like
         | that. You almost instantly want to sign up or at least show it
         | to your kids.
        
       | reaperducer wrote:
       | Naysayers always complain that these fairs cost too much money
       | and are entirely fluff events. History shows that's not true.
       | 
       | For example, over a hundred years later, Chicago is still making
       | money from the economic, social, and infrastructure benefits of
       | its fairs.
        
         | whatshisface wrote:
         | > _over a hundred years later, Chicago is still making money
         | from the economic, social, and infrastructure benefits of its
         | fairs._
         | 
         | Because of the way the economy works, this can be said of
         | absolutely any expenditure anywhere anytime for any reason. If
         | even one project laborer buys a cup of coffee on the job, at
         | least $4 of value then gets sent out into circulation in a way
         | that has been plausibly colored by the construction of the Big
         | Money Pit of 1849.
        
           | mynameisvlad wrote:
           | And stimulating local economies is a problem... why?
        
             | whatshisface wrote:
             | All expenditures stimulate the economy equally, as measured
             | by the "marked bills" theory. That means the only way to
             | compare them is to evaluate opportunity costs. Spending a
             | million bucks on constructing a big hole in the middle of
             | nowhere, and performing an important infrastructure
             | revitalization, will both put dollars in the hands of
             | laborers, and thereby grocery stores and so on, at the same
             | rate. That's why all of the useful parts of the discussion
             | are on the specific, immediate consequences; the distant
             | consequences are the same no matter what you do.
        
               | iso1631 wrote:
               | > the distant consequences are the same no matter what
               | you do.
               | 
               | Three things
               | 
               | 1) Spend the money on blackjack and hookers
               | 
               | 2) Spend the money on a new bridge
               | 
               | 3) Burn the money on a bonfire for giggles
               | 
               | Those three have very different "distant consequences"
        
               | whatshisface wrote:
               | 1) Money ends up in the local economy
               | 
               | 2) Money ends up in the local economy
               | 
               | 3) Currency deflates, making all owners of currency
               | richer, and as long as nobody expects deflation to
               | continue, stimulates the economy.
        
         | camwiese wrote:
         | Yes! Success for most Fairs depends on the timeline you're
         | looking at. Even the 1984 World's Fair in New Orleans (which I
         | know I call out in the essay), was considered a failure at the
         | time. Now 30+ years later, New Orleans has a thriving
         | waterfront district that wouldn't have been developed without
         | the Fair.
        
           | ant6n wrote:
           | How can you be sure it wouldnt have happened without the
           | fair?
        
       | neon_me wrote:
       | thought CCC is the worlds fair of the 20's ... :)
        
       | Animats wrote:
       | The last really prophetic world's fair was New York, 1939. That's
       | famous for GM's vision of the future of 1960, the original
       | "Futurerama" . Freeways everywhere. RCA had television. AT&T let
       | you make free long distance calls. All that stuff happened.
       | 
       | The 1964 World's Fair had another GM exhibit. Colonization of the
       | Moon. Underwater cities. None of that happened.
       | 
       | What could we have in a World's Fair now that looks ahead?
       | Colonization of Mars? Mars sucks as real estate. There may be
       | research bases there someday, but as a self-sufficient area, it
       | would be tougher than Antarctica or a continental shelf. Robots
       | may some day be a thing, but they still don't work well in
       | unstructured environments.
        
         | CobrastanJorji wrote:
         | GM was at least a little bit right. Their moon base had a moon
         | car and some sort of silvery structure. Five years after the
         | exhibition, we had some guys walking around on the moon and
         | returning to a silvery structure, and two years after that, we
         | had a lunar rover.
        
         | musicale wrote:
         | Certainly it's harder to get to Mars, but is the environment
         | more hostile than on the moon?
         | 
         | Mars has something of a CO2 atmosphere, and might have more
         | accessible water. The soil may be more usable as well.
        
           | mminer237 wrote:
           | It's not physically more hostile than the moon, but we've
           | never colonized the moon for the same reason. It's really
           | hard to live there for not much benefit. There are plenty of
           | sparsely-inhabited deserts on Earth that are much nicer
           | places to live.
        
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         | spankalee wrote:
         | We have a lot of environmental challenges ahead of us. A
         | forward-thinking World's Fair could paint a picture of how we
         | get from here to a carbon-negative economy: solar & wind,
         | battery tech, autonomous cars and less car-oriented cities,
         | better telepresence, carbon sequestering, architecture, etc.
        
         | potiuper wrote:
         | Build a dome over New Orleans or York; Call it the New Palace.
         | Or to be more optimistic a nuclear plant, maybe Governor's
         | island? or just finish Shoreham; recommission Indian Point,
         | along with district heating.
        
         | topkai22 wrote:
         | My mom went to the '64 worlds fair almost every day (according
         | to her, she had an uncle that worked there.) She told us
         | stories about various exhibits when we were kids, but the thing
         | she remembered the most was the video phone- that she should
         | see as well here someone across the planet.
         | 
         | Fast forward to 2020 and she is spending hours every day on
         | video calls with her grandchildren.
         | 
         | We might have missed on some of our dreams from 1964, but not
         | all of them. We'll miss more in the future if we don't
         | articulate them.
        
         | terse_malvolio wrote:
         | We choose to go to the Moon. We choose to go to the Moon...We
         | choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other
         | things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard
         | (...)
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_choose_to_go_to_the_Moon
        
       | jhu247 wrote:
       | It's amazing to me that the World's Fair gave us so many iconic
       | and wonderful structures, all of which are probably too
       | impractical to build otherwise: the Eiffel Tower, Space Needle,
       | Unisphere, Palace of Fine Arts, etc. It's unrealistic, but it's
       | worth having a new world's fair just for an excuse to build
       | another one of these!
        
       | alex_young wrote:
       | It's not exactly the same, but Burning Man comes pretty close in
       | a lot of ways.
       | 
       | If you haven't been, there are thousands of art projects at a
       | grand scale, things that take up blocks of space a piece, and
       | they are built by artists from around the world, giving everyone
       | a global perspective of what is possible.
       | 
       | I also love the idea of showcasing what is possible for a
       | society. There is a true sense of community, immediacy, and
       | collaboration where everyone there is an active participant.
       | 
       | There are dozens of smaller events with similar properties,
       | likely one nearby.
        
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