[HN Gopher] Phrack Magazine
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       Phrack Magazine
        
       Author : 0x737368
       Score  : 175 points
       Date   : 2021-03-16 12:18 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | ArtWomb wrote:
       | Worth introducing to a new generation ;)
       | 
       | If you want a representative article to sample, let it be
       | Strauss' "The Fall of Hacking Groups". A lament for the
       | subculture of yore:
       | 
       | http://phrack.org/issues/69/6.html
       | 
       | Previous HN discussion here:
       | 
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8734737
        
         | grep_name wrote:
         | New generation here, where can I go to find people who still
         | value the old hacker ethos? I'm not even that young (28), but
         | never encountered these groups when I was younger and my
         | preferences and values surrounding technology have always put
         | me slightly out of step with my peer group
        
           | turbografx16 wrote:
           | I'm also a younger hacker and I have the same issue. I've
           | found 0x00sec.org is alright, and security CTF forums can be
           | decent, but there's an awful lot of people just looking for
           | easy answers and aren't interested in learning or sharing
           | knowledge.
        
             | j4yav wrote:
             | I'm an older hacker, and it was kind of the same back then
             | too. We called them script kiddies.
        
               | _jal wrote:
               | Script kiddies will always be with us.
               | 
               | It doesn't catch all of them, but a decent defense
               | against the worst of that lot is a second forum that
               | requires reading comprehension for access.
        
             | Shared404 wrote:
             | May as well add myself into the list of younger people
             | seeking a similar community. The closest I've found thus
             | far is HN itself, which while obviously not security
             | focused is at least interested in both learning and
             | sharing.
        
               | at-fates-hands wrote:
               | I'd start here:
               | 
               | https://twitter.com/_mg_?lang=en
               | 
               | Guy does some insane hardware hacking. See who he follows
               | and who's following him. Look at who he's working with.
               | Find out where they hang out online.
               | 
               | Like all things these days, you really have to do some
               | research and dig to find the good stuff. MG is a great
               | starting point.
               | 
               | Hope it helps. . .
        
           | profquail wrote:
           | The 2600 Magazine community is still alive and well:
           | 
           | https://www.2600.com/
        
             | SeeManDo wrote:
             | Lifetime subscriber here
        
               | mtalantikite wrote:
               | I remember taking photos of phonebooths in Algeria on a
               | trip to visit family as a teenager. They thought I was
               | crazy.
        
       | freedomben wrote:
       | Phrack's article on buffer overflows on the stack was incredible
       | back in the day. It taught me more about how computers work than
       | any class in University. I referred back to it for years for
       | understanding how programs actually run. Will always have a soft
       | spot for that.
        
         | Animats wrote:
         | "The Tao of Windows Buffer Overflow"? That was Cult of the Dead
         | Cow, not Phrack.
        
           | dagw wrote:
           | Probably thinking of "Smashing the stack for fun and profit"
        
       | fny wrote:
       | Damn. I was really hoping there was a new article. I started
       | reading these as wee lad back before I knew what a malloc was.
       | Eventually I learned enough to get myself suspended. >:)
       | 
       | Thankfully, I use my knowledge for good nowadays.
       | 
       | Looking forward to the next issue whatever decade it may come.
       | 
       | The paper feed does seem active though!
       | http://phrack.org/papers/escaping_from_freebsd_bhyve.html
        
         | EamonnMR wrote:
         | I'm getting forbidden from that page
        
           | fny wrote:
           | Fixed
        
       | weare138 wrote:
       | Does anyone know if the Phrack team is still active? There hasn't
       | been a new issue since 2016.
        
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       | Ansil849 wrote:
       | Some more old-school H/P/V/A/C (man, I miss seeing that acronym
       | pop up on sites, anyone else?) zines:
       | http://textfiles.com/magazines/
       | 
       | And newer-school (90s-00s) zines:
       | http://web.textfiles.com/ezines/
        
       | _joel wrote:
       | A blast from the past! Reading those articles back in the day
       | definitely piqued my interest computers and telephony.
        
       | k1rcher wrote:
       | This is incredible to read n many years later. I was a per-
       | pubescent adolescent around the time of the publication of the
       | "last great zines", and was only ever really exposed to a small
       | subsection (HTP5, the MIT.edu and Linode incidents) through
       | several mutual friends of mine who were, at the time, enthusiasts
       | of and in the scene.
       | 
       | That era and community was without a doubt the foundation for who
       | I am today as a young adult, and who I strive to be in all
       | aspects of life. I have and no doubt will continue to consume all
       | of this content I may have missed out on since then.
       | 
       | P.S. If I may call your attention to volume 0x0f, 0x45, part A of
       | section 6 (Notes); wow. This, along with everything else, is
       | enormously prophetic, profound, and intriguin:
       | 
       | "--[ 6 - Notes
       | 
       | A) In respect to social networks, while they are a valid
       | community-building mechanism in nature, selfishness prevails in
       | common usage, by means of the indulgent pleasure that fuels
       | chronic "pluggedness", at times voyeur, at times exhibitionist
       | and needy."
       | 
       | - http://phrack.org/issues/69/6.html
        
       | kleer001 wrote:
       | Would someone more knowledgeable than me sketch out the
       | relationship between Phrack and 2600? I think someone here knows
       | it off the top of their head.
        
       | cozzyd wrote:
       | I was hoping there'd be a new issue :(
        
       | goshx wrote:
       | For those not familiar with it, Phrack was teaching how to
       | exploit buffer overflows back in 1996 [1]. This is still relevant
       | today and required for some certifications in cyber security like
       | the OSCP.
       | 
       | [1] http://phrack.org/issues/49/14.html
        
         | goshx wrote:
         | Also worth mentioning the Hacker's Manifesto from 1986:
         | http://phrack.org/issues/7/3.html
        
           | rtuin wrote:
           | Such a classic.
           | 
           | One of my favorite things ever written.
        
           | xtracto wrote:
           | Also notable that The Mentor (Loyd) actually participates (or
           | used to participate) here in Hacker News. I had a brief
           | starstuck moment when he commented here in another thread in
           | the past.
           | 
           | I was so identified by this in the early 1990s because I was
           | very lonely in my small town in a developing country where
           | nobody cared about computers and programming. As I got access
           | to the internet I finally found a sense of belonging.
        
             | goshx wrote:
             | That's my story as well, but late 90's.
        
       | amenghra wrote:
       | A classic, been around since 1985.
       | 
       | https://github.com/deadbits/Zines used to be an archive of tons
       | of similar ezines, the repo has been disabled -\\_(tsu)_/-. Some
       | of the zines it used to have include HITB, PhineasFisher,
       | TeaMp0isoN, ZF0, anti-anti-sec, anti-sec, b4b0, dikline, el8,
       | h0no, htp, owned and exposed, phrack, pocorgtfo, uninformed.
       | 
       | On a more modern note, https://pagedout.institute/ is great.
        
         | DrPhish wrote:
         | 40hex was one of my favourites back in the day, but it was
         | focused purely on virii
         | 
         | It was fascinating get an unvarnished look inside that world,
         | complete with ethical/political discussion and of course source
         | code with annotations!
        
           | tptacek wrote:
           | Some of the 40hex people turned into pretty hardcore
           | vulnerability researchers (at least by 1990s standards).
        
           | amenghra wrote:
           | Love that 40hex was "raw" with little editorial (aS wELL aS
           | pOSTS wITH iNVERTED cASE). E.g.                   XOR is a
           | matamatical function that can be used to cifer and decifer
           | data with the same key.
           | 
           | Some of the code comments are pure gold.
        
         | homarp wrote:
         | https://files.awknode.com/zines/ seems to be a mirror
        
       | vehemenz wrote:
       | Anyone have any ideas about making an 80-character-wide,
       | plaintext-style website responsive?
       | 
       | I really like the style, but it doesn't work well on phones.
        
         | anotheryou wrote:
         | in CSS you can do "max-width: 40ch" on smaller devices if you
         | want. For fancy decorations you'd need need to draw them with
         | css and/or pseudo elements.                 pre{        max-
         | width: 40ch !important;      white-space: normal;       }
        
           | vehemenz wrote:
           | Good idea. I didn't know about ch units.
           | 
           | I experimented with setting a fixed vw width, which kinda
           | works, but at the end of the day 80 characters is probably
           | just too much.
        
         | giantrobot wrote:
         | So long as you're actually using HTML (and not literal plain
         | text) all you need to do is add a viewport meta tag:
         | <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width">
         | 
         | Mobile browsers set the viewport width to a default of 960px
         | (Android might be a little different from iOS). That's why a
         | plain text file displays so poorly on mobile. It's rendering to
         | a pixel width larger than the display (and zoomed to fit).
         | 
         | For the "plain text" look set the font family to monospace. Bam
         | readable and responsive "plain text" look.
        
       | Communitivity wrote:
       | Has this now been reclaimed by hackers? If so, that is great
       | news. It used to be an amazing source of information, back when
       | Tarod and Knight Lightning ran things. Then it slowly seemed to
       | get taken over/become for the cyber-security professional crowd.
       | The P.H.I.R.M. publications are great reading too. gatech.edu
       | used to have an archive of all the old Phrack issues somewhere,
       | and more, but I've no idea if it's still there.
        
         | tptacek wrote:
         | A lot of those people from the KL days were security
         | professionals.
        
           | scienceman wrote:
           | I think there's an implication difference between security
           | professionals and cyber-security professionals.
        
             | tptacek wrote:
             | When did that supposed shift happen? I lost track after
             | Schiffman, but everyone up to that point was pretty much
             | the same kind of people as the KL crew.
        
         | segmondy wrote:
         | Once the editor changed from an individual to "The Phrack
         | Staff" it kinda lost it's charm. I also take it as a sign of
         | the times tho, folks who needed to earn a living couldn't risk
         | being strongly associated with the zine. Folks also began self
         | publishing on their own sites/blog and bugtraq really became
         | the place to publish your CVE... It was fun while it lasted.
         | I'm sure the new & current gen have their own idea of the "in
         | thing".
        
           | tptacek wrote:
           | I can't think of any time since the mid-1990s where being
           | affiliated with Phrack would have jeopardized a high-status
           | career in software security.
        
             | NateLawson wrote:
             | There was some ongoing consternation at ISS around 96-97
             | about an employee being a Phrack editor. Management talked
             | to them but it didn't threaten their career.
        
               | tptacek wrote:
               | You're not serious. Look at who _ran_ ISS!
               | 
               | I have faint memories of SNI people being upset that ISS
               | salespeople tried to pigeonhole us as hackers (this all
               | precedes the widespread adoption of the hat coloration
               | system).
               | 
               | I guess, on post-97, pre-99 ISS, I stand corrected. :)
        
             | kbenson wrote:
             | I think perhaps not everyone that would want to participate
             | had their career in software security though, and I can
             | imagine some other software sectors where they might look
             | unkindly on the relationship. E.g. Someone working deep in
             | the bowels of some company in the financial sector but
             | their hobbies are more diverse.
        
               | tptacek wrote:
               | That's funny, because a plurality of the O.G. Phrack crew
               | wound up working in security in finance, particularly at
               | the i-banks.
        
               | kbenson wrote:
               | You know, I might be conflating phrack with 2600 in my
               | head. IIRC (which is by no means guaranteed) 2600 was
               | (is?) a bit more edgy, but I was regularly reading both
               | at around the same time in the early 2000's, so some of
               | my ideas about them might be mixed after all this time.
        
               | happyconcepts wrote:
               | maafakaz!
        
               | NateLawson wrote:
               | Hacking became "cool" for the corporate world in the late
               | 90's. Movies like The Matrix and the fact that nothing
               | too valuable was online yet meant that getting hacked was
               | likely just web site defacement. Meanwhile, there was
               | finally real money to be made in developing security for
               | when the web finally became worth protecting.
        
       | Bluestein wrote:
       | Ah! A classic :)
        
       | rootsudo wrote:
       | The old zines, inspired me so much, I'm fortunate that I was able
       | to get tons of blacklisted411, phrack and 2600 in my youth. :)
        
         | j4yav wrote:
         | They still publish pay phone photos in the back, I've managed
         | to get several in there over the years.
        
         | bluetwo wrote:
         | This just had me thinking about 2600. A bookstore on South
         | Street in Philly used to carry it on their racks.
        
           | greenie_beans wrote:
           | They just released a new issue:
           | http://store.2600.com/collections/2010-2015/products/new-
           | iss...
        
           | downtime-vam wrote:
           | I have a lifetime subscription to 2600. Still going strong!
        
       | dang wrote:
       | If curious, past threads:
       | 
       |  _Phrack Magazine (1985-2016)_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18288767 - Oct 2018 (73
       | comments)
       | 
       |  _Phrack 69 released_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11644340 - May 2016 (56
       | comments)
       | 
       |  _Phrack Issue #68_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3841721 - April 2012 (50
       | comments)
       | 
       |  _Phrack Magazine 's classic article on OS/kernel development_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2583591 - May 2011 (3
       | comments)
       | 
       |  _Phrack 66 (June 2009)_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=744821 - Aug 2009 (9
       | comments)
       | 
       |  _Phrack #66 is out_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=652545 - June 2009 (14
       | comments)
       | 
       | Those are all about Phrack in general. I omitted threads about
       | specific articles, except one because it's short and has a fun
       | comment.
        
       | turbografx16 wrote:
       | Where are the hackers hanging out these days? 5 or so years ago
       | /r/netsec was pretty good, and 0x00sec seems a decent (if small)
       | community.
       | 
       | I miss having a place to hang out with other people messing
       | around with random security projects and CTFs...
        
         | StopTheWorld wrote:
         | > Where are the hackers hanging out these days?
         | 
         | The Admiral's Club at SFO
        
         | bynxbynx wrote:
         | I help run the OpenToAll CTF team - while the primary focus for
         | most are CTFs, the community (>500) has really expanded, e.g.,
         | (in the slack workspace) we have active channels for N-day
         | repros, bug bounties with internal competitions, financial
         | trading shop talk, and hardware hacking. You wont find much OTR
         | or blackhat stuff ( due to slack ToS), but Ive found the
         | community loves learning and discussing all things sec.
         | 
         | It doesnt hit your mark completely, but hopefully its somewhat
         | helpful
        
           | thegeekbin wrote:
           | Have any bridge to Matrix? It would be pretty awesome to
           | join.
        
           | buzzert wrote:
           | > ( due to slack ToS)
           | 
           | With restrictions like that, it surprises me that Slack
           | appeals to hackers at all. Why not IRC?
        
             | bynxbynx wrote:
             | Originally we were on IRC. As the team grew, more CTFs were
             | being played - often concurrently - so having dedicated
             | (private) channels for a given CTF and "sub" channels for
             | its challenges gave us a lot more flexibility.
             | 
             | That being said, we've considered migrating to Discord,
             | Zulip, or Matrix - just haven't gotten around to it yet.
        
               | kemonocode wrote:
               | Please consider using either Zulip or Matrix from the
               | get-go, else if you just pick Discord you will find
               | yourself in the very same situation as with Slack before
               | long.
               | 
               | I was in a little CTF server which got flagged and taken
               | down, even though there wasn't anything too particularly
               | nefarious going on. Maybe someone did upload something
               | dumb which raised flags on Discord's end, though.
        
       | icedchai wrote:
       | I remember reading Phrack during the early 90's, x.25 hacking
       | days. Anyone remember QSD or Lutzifer? I've long forgotten those
       | NUAs now.
        
         | tptacek wrote:
         | This is a _crazy_ read; I was there (though very young and not
         | well connected) and, just try to get your head around a world
         | in which the Internet was so new and unstable:
         | 
         | http://phrack.org/issues/45/8.html
         | 
         | Also: $300 for an X.25 hookup! I totally could have run an X.25
         | board!
        
         | justanother wrote:
         | 0208057040540 is still in finger-memory
        
       | dagw wrote:
       | Hats off to the old Phrack team. I can safely say that I probably
       | wouldn't have this career I have now if it wasn't for Phrack.
        
         | mtalantikite wrote:
         | Same, Phrack was mind expanding for my teenage self in the 90s.
         | Is there anything similar floating around these days? So much
         | on the Internet seems filtered through corporate platforms that
         | are antithetical to the counter-cultural spirit. Or maybe I'm
         | just old now!
        
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