[HN Gopher] Audacity 3.0
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       Audacity 3.0
        
       Author : app4soft
       Score  : 328 points
       Date   : 2021-03-17 21:16 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.audacityteam.org)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.audacityteam.org)
        
       | vz8 wrote:
       | I'm happy to hear about the new file format. The prior "piles of
       | files" were a problem when saving to folders watched by Dropbox /
       | OneDrive.
       | 
       | Thanks Audacity, for an excellent tool!
        
       | ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
       | Ugh. FOSSHub. That enormous VPN downloader at the top.
       | 
       | It took me some time to remember to avoid it.
       | 
       | I do luvs me Audacity, though.
       | 
       | Good show!
        
         | app4soft wrote:
         | FOSS Torrents team already provided `.torrent` downloads for
         | Audacity 3.0.0.[0,1]
         | 
         | [0] https://twitter.com/FossTorrents/status/1372176177708818433
         | 
         | [1] https://fosstorrents.com/softwares/audio/audacity/
        
       | marcodiego wrote:
       | Audacity is an example that being good enough is enough. It
       | probably doesn't competes against industry giants, but
       | considering its simplicity and license, it is probably the most
       | used audio editor in use today.
       | 
       | Congrats audaciteam!
       | 
       | Disclaimer: I was a contributor a long time ago to the noise
       | filter effect.
        
       | rosmax_1337 wrote:
       | Fantastic. Audacity keeps it simple and does it well, if there
       | was ever a hall of fame of applications, Audacity deserves a
       | spot. Heck, if I were to distribute any kind of "creative suite",
       | I would always include Audacity, no matter what operating system
       | I was targeting. It is a near essential tool for working with
       | audio, daily, or every now and then.
       | 
       | The genius of the application is that it does not try to be more
       | than a waveform editor. Oftentimes, no matter if you are new to
       | audio production or a veteran audio technician, you just need to
       | edit some sound, and Audacity lets you get it done in a easy
       | enough way for newbies, and in a complex enough way for veterans.
       | 
       | Maintainers of projects like these should carry themselves with
       | pride. Projects that stand the test of time and continue to
       | deliver exactly what you needed is what makes the IT-world go
       | around.
        
       | maxfurman wrote:
       | I'm pretty sure all of the songs I recorded in high school are
       | gone forever, since I only backed up the Audacity files and not
       | the entire folder. Perhaps this is for the best, but either way
       | I'm glad future emo teens will have an easier time preserving
       | their work.
        
         | Igelau wrote:
         | Maximum emo-ness: the darkness in these songs is so
         | irredeemable that even the project file couldn't save them.
        
       | shmerl wrote:
       | I wish developers would merge the XDG Base Directory support
       | patches.
        
       | saghul wrote:
       | Thanks Audacity team and contributors! I love to see major
       | releases from tools I've been using for decades. So dependable,
       | always ready to save my bacon when I need it.
        
       | corytheboyd wrote:
       | If ever we needed to archive timeless bits is software to rebuild
       | society with, Audacity would definitely be on that list.
        
       | nvr219 wrote:
       | Audacity is one of the best open source software products out
       | there. Grats on the release!!!!
        
       | codetrotter wrote:
       | Interesting that they decided to change the project format from
       | bag of files to single file. I certainly remember when I was new
       | to computers and I was using some software and brought only the
       | project file with me to a friend and didn't know I had to bring
       | the source files also. But after the first time of making that
       | mistake I learned from it. Personally I still like the bag of
       | files approach for music and video projects because it keeps the
       | source files accessible and I use a few different pieces of
       | software and don't want my source files locked into a project
       | files (even when it's a SQLite based approach like Audacity 3).
       | And for me personally I don't want to duplicate files on my local
       | storage medium either.
       | 
       | But I can see how it will be helpful to users in general.
       | 
       | macOS has a really interesting feature that allows bag of files
       | to appear like a single file to users but it's actually just a
       | directory and you can still access the files inside by opening it
       | as a directory. Of course that doesn't help for cross platform
       | software though, as on other platforms you will still only see it
       | as the bag of files that it really is.
        
         | rectang wrote:
         | > _macOS has a really interesting feature that allows bag of
         | files to appear like a single file_
         | 
         | I think this is what you're referring to:
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Package_(macOS)
         | 
         | I used to have problems with running out of file descriptors on
         | MacOS, and I recall that the maximum number was 256. I was
         | wondering if this package abstraction could be used to work
         | around it.
         | 
         | But then I checked `ulimit -a` and it looks like on Big Sur the
         | max is now 2560. Progress!
        
           | quesera wrote:
           | The wikipedia article does not mention the most common
           | example -- .app "files"/bundles.
           | 
           | E.g.:                   zsh% ls
           | Applications/Firefox.app/Contents         CodeResources
           | Library         PkgInfo         _CodeSignature
           | Info.plist      MacOS           Resources
        
           | codetrotter wrote:
           | > I think this is what you're referring to
           | 
           | Almost. I was actually referring to
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundle_(macOS) which is the
           | same concept.
           | 
           | See also https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/document
           | ation/Mi...
        
         | jdmichal wrote:
         | I wonder: Is it like the new Office formats, where it's
         | actually a zipped bundle? In this case, maybe they just zipped
         | up all the files they already had and saved a lot of
         | reimplementation in other parts of the system.
        
           | coliveira wrote:
           | No, they're using SQLite3 as the repository.
        
       | klodolph wrote:
       | > We also fixed over 160 bugs that had been accumulating over the
       | years.
       | 
       | This is good news indeed. Previous versions of Audacity are so
       | buggy that they're barely usable. Version 2.4.2 crashed more
       | often than not when I used it.
        
       | rsj_hn wrote:
       | I was taking a zoom class and they released some youtube videos
       | in which the vocabulary words were pronounced by a native
       | speaker. I downloaded Audacity, grabbed the youtube video with
       | python's youtube downloader, and was able to splice up the
       | recording into individual vocab words and put them on my Anki
       | cards.
       | 
       | So Audacity helped me to learn a foreign language. Thanks!
        
       | dang wrote:
       | If curious, past threads:
       | 
       |  _Audacity 2.2.0 Released_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15621681 - Nov 2017 (146
       | comments)
       | 
       |  _The Future of Audacity, Interview with the Team_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9392035 - April 2015 (28
       | comments)
       | 
       |  _Removing background noise in Audacity by differencing stereo
       | channels_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6158058 - Aug
       | 2013 (13 comments)
       | 
       |  _Audacity 2.0 Released_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3714766 - March 2012 (63
       | comments)
       | 
       |  _Learning a new language with Audacity_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2962284 - Sept 2011 (9
       | comments)
        
       | tony wrote:
       | For those interested Audacity's underlying design, it's featured
       | in _The Architecture of Open Source Applications_ :
       | https://www.aosabook.org/en/audacity.html
       | 
       | There's a section that references .aup files, see _2.6.
       | BlockFiles_ (Audacity 3.0.0 introduces the .aup3 file format)
       | 
       | The most memorable parts of this to me was wXWidgets. Here's
       | ShuttleGUI:
       | 
       | https://github.com/audacity/audacity/blob/master/src/Shuttle...
        
         | app4soft wrote:
         | Also may recommend to read FLOSS Manuals' book on Audacity[0]
         | 
         | [0] https://en.flossmanuals.net/audacity/_full/
         | 
         | [1] https://en.flossmanuals.net/audacity/_info/
         | 
         | [PDF] https://flossmanuals.net/pub/audacity-en-2018.02.pdf
         | 
         | [EPub] https://flossmanuals.net/pub/audacity-en-2018.02.epub
        
       | tomduncalf wrote:
       | Audacity is a great project and I'm very glad it exists.
       | 
       | Personally I only need pretty basic wave editing and am happy
       | with OcenAudio (https://ocenaudio.com - free but closed source),
       | it's the closest thing I've found to Cool Edit 2000 (which I
       | still think is the best wave editor ever!) and has quite a nice
       | UI.
        
         | brtkdotse wrote:
         | Cool Edit became Adobe Audition and is still very nice to work
         | with.
        
           | tomduncalf wrote:
           | I tried it out a while back and it felt really heavyweight
           | for what I needed (often just trim, normalise, export)... so
           | I'm happy with a lightweight, fast wave editor, then I do
           | anything more involved in a DAW. Thanks for the
           | recommendation though!
        
       | schlowmo wrote:
       | Very pleased that Audacity is still actively developed. I said it
       | before but I think this can't be overstated:
       | 
       | Audacity may had some quirks over the years but it's still one of
       | the most (if not the most) accessible tool for audio editing by
       | non-professionals with an adequate feature set. It's used by
       | community radio stations all over the world since it's easy to
       | teach and cross-platform while being free.
        
         | ObsoleteNerd wrote:
         | Audacity is up there for me with those open source projects
         | that deserve to go into some form of OSS Hall of Fame.
         | 
         | Audacity, VLC, Blender, KeePass, Inkscape, OBS, etc (there's
         | many more but those are the ones I use regularly). Programs
         | that have been around forever, are used by millions every day,
         | and yet continue to do it (and do it damn well) just because
         | they want to.
        
         | xtracto wrote:
         | Audacity has a chapter in the "Architecture of Open Source
         | Applications" book ( https://aosabook.org/en/audacity.html ).
         | It is a nice read to understand the internals of the
         | application and some of the technical challenges the have
         | confronted.
        
           | nick0garvey wrote:
           | The main lesson I learned from that chapter was the
           | importance of a clear plugin interface. Especially for
           | software used by people with different needs. This avoids a
           | lot of pull requests into the main code that are unlikely to
           | be maintained.
        
         | simias wrote:
         | Audacity is a godsend for amateur audio makers, but man the UI
         | is really really clunky. If I was a rich philanthropist I'd
         | throw them some money to gut the core of the software and
         | rebuild a decent user interface around it.
         | 
         | But hey, UI is hard and audio processing UIs are probably
         | harder than most.
        
           | dharma1 wrote:
           | I'm working with the Audacity dev team on a redesign of the
           | UI/UX. More on this soon!
        
             | the_cat_kittles wrote:
             | im sure youve heard it before, but priority 1 for me is get
             | the playhead scrubbing reset and looping all sorted.
             | something like logic is very intuitive imo. cheers!
        
             | ketzo wrote:
             | Wow, that's awesome news!
             | 
             | I'm super interested in the UI design of really complex
             | applications (like Audacity, or Photoshop, etc.). I would
             | _adore_ some kind of writeup on y 'all's design process
             | whenever you towards the end!
             | 
             | (Obviously a big ask for someone already doing a bunch of
             | work for free, pls feel free to ignore me; just saying that
             | I'd be interested :D)
        
               | noizejoy wrote:
               | You could volunteer ...
        
             | leviathant wrote:
             | This is fantastic news!
        
           | rosmax_1337 wrote:
           | I completely understand that people find the UI offputting.
           | But the UI is effective. Or maybe I should say the UX is
           | effective? Either way, an effective UI/UX is more than what a
           | lot of "newer and fancier" UIs have going for them. And since
           | the application is meant as a tool for creators, and not a
           | product facing consumers (as a website might be), personally
           | I can completely forgive a "clunky ui", as long as it is
           | logically laid out and with normal workflows.
        
             | nitrogen wrote:
             | I use and like Audacity, but it really is clunky. Having to
             | use separate "tools" to edit envelopes, move events, etc.
             | is pretty clunky compared to, say, a DAW like ACID or a
             | commercial audio editor like Soundforge. The active regions
             | for hovers, clicks, and drags (e.g. to resize tracks)
             | really need tweaking as well, and the horizontal scroll
             | after a zoom change is also really hard to predict or
             | control.
        
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             | Guest42 wrote:
             | I feel as though early 2000s was the peak of UI, they took
             | peak performance and made it look good enough
        
               | app4soft wrote:
               | What about _AzPainter_ [0] UI?
               | 
               | [0] https://git.io/azpainter
        
           | zelly wrote:
           | if someone "upgrades" the UI you just know it's going to be
           | some Typescript/React/Electron monstrosity. so I'll keep the
           | 90s look.
        
           | jpindar wrote:
           | Last time I checked, Audacity Portable had a better UI than
           | the regular version, so you might want to try that.
        
         | Ericson2314 wrote:
         | "MS Paint for sound"
        
           | marcodiego wrote:
           | I'll agree the day MS Paint becomes multiplatform and FLOSS.
        
             | cmehdy wrote:
             | Does this count?
             | 
             | https://jspaint.app
             | 
             | (& github: https://github.com/1j01/jspaint )
        
             | Ericson2314 wrote:
             | I agree, but that wouldn't be so pithy would it? :)
        
       | jan_Inkepa wrote:
       | Audacity is a wonderful piece of software - I've used it in a lot
       | of projects for mastering/tweaking sound-effects. And it's come a
       | _very_ long way in terms of stability. Long may it continue to
       | thrive :)
        
       | Humphrey wrote:
       | While I use Logic for making "real" audio, Audacity is great for
       | those other audio tasks. For example, I used Audacity's "Import
       | Raw Data" feature to open a dd image of a USB drive to recover
       | corrupted audio FTW!
        
       | app4soft wrote:
       | JFTR, There is already a _project_ [0,1,2] on adding Audacity
       | into Blender:
       | 
       | > _The Blender & Audacity add-on playing both apps in sync -
       | without Jack - so you can edit sound in Audacity and using
       | Blender as video player_
       | 
       | [0] https://github.com/tin2tin/audacity_tools_for_blender/
       | 
       | [1] https://twitter.com/tintwotin/status/1371885605735530500
       | 
       | [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f61Zvb8AipA
        
       | VectorLock wrote:
       | I remember seeing this project launched at CodeCon way way back
       | in the day and I'm happy its been cruising along ever since.
        
       | nickjj wrote:
       | I have to commend Audacity for making a tool so easy to use that
       | regular (but technical) folks can use it with no prior recording
       | experience. It being cross platform and runnable on so many
       | devices due to low hardware requirements is a big perk too.
       | 
       | I've recorded 70+ episodes of the Running in Production
       | podcast[0] and to get the highest quality audio I can for the
       | show I ask guests to locally record their side of the
       | conversation with Audacity while I do the same on my end. Then we
       | talk in real-time over Zoom to have the actual conversation.
       | 
       | Out of 70+ episodes there hasn't been a single case where
       | something went wrong due to Audacity. These are shows where we're
       | continuously recording for 60-90 minutes too.
       | 
       | All I ended up doing was write up a quick guide. Basically how to
       | download it, making sure your "good" mic is selected and doing a
       | test recording. No one has ever complained that the process was
       | too involved or hard to follow. Most folks get set up in less
       | than 2 minutes with no assistance and most guests have never
       | recorded audio before.
       | 
       | [0]: https://runninginproduction.com/
        
       | dvirsky wrote:
       | Audacity is an awesome project. I know a LOT of non technical
       | people with no affinity to open source who are using it. I think
       | a UI refresh to something modern looking will help it increase
       | its popularity even more, I hope they find someone to help with
       | this.
        
       | ShaneMcGowan wrote:
       | Love to see audacity still going strong, was one of the first
       | audio tools I used for music production back in the day and is a
       | great piece of software
        
       | EamonnMR wrote:
       | Audacity is a great tool. It's not a DAW and doesn't try to be
       | one; I find myself using it most when I need to do a quick edit
       | on a sound or make a recording and I'll be done before my DAW
       | would even have started up.
        
         | sidpatil wrote:
         | It's like the Microsoft Paint of audio editing.
        
           | xuhu wrote:
           | More like the GIMP of audio editing.
        
       | TestPersonTwo wrote:
       | this is six
        
       | sedeki wrote:
       | Did they fix the macOS issue(s)? You had to run Audacity from the
       | command line for whatever reason from macOS Catalina.
        
       | roddylindsay wrote:
       | Thank you Audacity for an absolutely indispensable piece of
       | software for anyone who works with audio.
        
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