[HN Gopher] PinePhone Beta
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       PinePhone Beta
        
       Author : pavelsof
       Score  : 37 points
       Date   : 2021-03-19 21:08 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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 (TXT) w3m dump (www.pine64.org)
        
       | rhizome wrote:
       | Make a screen+mobo+speakers+... (the top 1/3 of a phone), give it
       | an SD slot, and make it a unit that clicks onto a generic
       | battery. Case makers will fill in the rest.
        
       | neolog wrote:
       | Why is it so cheap? Aren't the customers people who want to
       | switch from $1000 phones for freedom (not price)?
        
         | echelon wrote:
         | > Aren't the customers people who want to switch from $1000
         | phones for freedom (not price)?
         | 
         | That's me at least.
         | 
         | I'm tempted to buy one just as a sign of support. We really
         | need PinePhone to grow.
        
           | edoceo wrote:
           | One of the reasons I got PineTime. Well, that and to play
           | with.
        
         | octopoc wrote:
         | In December they said they were thinking about opening up a
         | reseller program so they don't have to support end users [1].
         | Then they announced the end of the community editions [2]. And
         | now this announcement. I think they're trying to evolve into
         | something more sustainable.
         | 
         | 1: https://www.pine64.org/2020/12/02/pine-store-community-
         | prici...
         | 
         | 2: https://www.pine64.org/2021/02/02/the-end-of-community-
         | editi...
        
       | josteink wrote:
       | As far as I can tell, this looks like the same hardware theyve
       | sold before for the earlier community edition phones.
       | 
       | Im guessing that calling it "BETA" signifies an increased
       | confidence in it actually being usable, due to recent software
       | improvements in the Linux mobile community?
       | 
       | While thats great in itself, Im looking forward to them moving to
       | a beefier SOC.
       | 
       | (Posted from a PinePhone PostmarketOS community convergence
       | edition phone)
        
         | tpxl wrote:
         | Yes, it was in the march community update [0], they feel the
         | software is now beta quality: 'The upcoming production-run, as
         | well as the next two or three following it, will be referred to
         | as the Beta Edition. The term "Beta" indicates the present
         | software status'
         | 
         | [0] https://www.pine64.org/2021/03/15/march-update/
        
       | away_throw wrote:
       | Hardware still uses a single band WLAN. Unfortunately, I won't be
       | able to use it because of this. The 2.4GHz band in my apartment
       | complex is severely degraded due to the sheer amount of channel
       | conflicts. My Netgear router can only handle 2-5Mbps.
        
       | prox wrote:
       | This looks like my next phone. Will the final release be of the
       | same price? And how is the pinephone experience?
        
         | jay_kyburz wrote:
         | Still a long way from daily driver. Battery won't last a day,
         | and there a lot of unexpected lockups in KDE.
         | 
         | I was hoping to find some time this weekend to try some
         | alternate UI's
        
           | prox wrote:
           | I really don't mind at this point, my old phone doesn't last
           | a day either! If the price is right, I am willing to take the
           | plunge.
        
             | jay_kyburz wrote:
             | I was scared off attempting to use it when, one day I was
             | doing something in a terminal and it locked up. I was
             | clicking all over the screen to try and bring up the task
             | manager (or any response), when the phone called my other
             | phone! Input must have been going through to other apps but
             | the screen was showing a blank terminal.
        
         | etaioinshrdlu wrote:
         | It's the most disappointing phone ever. A 10-year old Android
         | performs better and is more stable.
         | 
         | I wasn't expecting it to work well, but it was far worse than I
         | imagined. I tried several ROMs and the software is starting to
         | improve slightly, though.
        
           | josteink wrote:
           | A pure Linux phone could obviously benefit from being as
           | polished and streamlined as its iOS and Android counterparts.
           | 
           | But thats not its main mission. Thats not what it's selling.
           | 
           | Total user control, like on real desktop Linux, for those who
           | can wield it, because thats literally what youre getting.
           | 
           | For now this space is for a very specific audience. Maybe in
           | time (like Ubuntu did for desktop Linux on PCs) there will
           | come a distro which is usable enough OOB to have the same
           | effect on mobile.
           | 
           | We mobile Linux users will still be a minority though, and we
           | probably wont mind. Just like we dont mind being minority
           | desktop users either.
        
             | jay_kyburz wrote:
             | I was hoping that there would be a reasonably rock solid
             | "feature phone" platform we could start building from, but
             | it seems everybody wants to scale down the full linux
             | desktop.
             | 
             | I just want a feature phone with a browser.
             | 
             | I would even be keen to see KiaOS running on it, but I
             | don't think you can right now.
        
               | linmob wrote:
               | If you want to, you can have that; just take
               | postmarketOSs new stable release when it's out with your
               | prefered mobile shell and put the bare minimum of apps
               | you want/need on there and you'll be set.
               | 
               | As for KaiOS, I doubt we'll see that soon, as IIRC like
               | FirefoxOS it's designed to run on Android kernels. With
               | GloDroid being mostly dormant and incomplete, I doubt we
               | can pull that off.
        
           | linmob wrote:
           | Have you tried Arch Linux ARM/DanctNIX?
        
         | linmob wrote:
         | Pricing is tough to guesstimate right now with the component
         | shortage. Given that hardware has not changed in a while, I
         | don't see what should hold you back from getting it now, and
         | the remaining hardware bugs are acceptible.[0]
         | 
         | The experience has improved quite a bit since I got my first
         | PinePhone in June. That said, this device is never going to be
         | really fast. It's acceptible now, though, and it turns out,
         | that you can adjust to things being a little slow every then
         | and now. Most distributions don't use the acceleration
         | capabilities the SoC offer as much as they could, and there are
         | other areas where improvements for battery life and smoothness
         | are still happening. It's been serving me fine as my only
         | smartphone on weekends (and as a secondary device on workdays).
         | 
         | I've been tracking the Linux Phone landscape on my blog[1], in
         | multiple videos[2]. I have also adopted an App List, to list
         | all the apps that run on these nascent Linux Distributions and
         | are optimized for smartphones.[3]
         | 
         | BTW: The coolest feature is that you can just put another
         | distribution on a microSDHC/XC card and boot it. Like this you
         | can carry multiple phone operating systems that fit certain
         | circumstances.
         | 
         | [0] https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/PinePhone_v1.2b
         | 
         | [1] https://linmob.net
         | 
         | [2] https://linmob.net/videos/
         | 
         | [3] http://appl.ist
        
         | t-writescode wrote:
         | There's an Linus Tech Tips YouTube[1] on that very subject
         | that's worth a view
         | 
         | [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCKMxzz9cjs
         | 
         | edit: added details
        
           | prox wrote:
           | Thanks! Going to watch!
        
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