[HN Gopher] Vessel Finder
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       Vessel Finder
        
       Author : gscott
       Score  : 53 points
       Date   : 2021-03-29 18:10 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.vesselfinder.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.vesselfinder.com)
        
       | not_knuth wrote:
       | I was quite surprised that this website seems to use a self-made
       | map viewer. Maybe I'm just out of the loop, but it feels like by
       | now everyone either just uses Google Maps and a minute, hardy
       | fraction uses something based on OSM.
        
         | tyingq wrote:
         | If you pull up a map through their embed functionality, you can
         | see OpenLayers (https://openlayers.org/) and OSM is in there
         | somewhere:
         | 
         | https://www.vesselfinder.com/aismap?zoom=8&lat=36.00&lon=-5....
        
           | not_knuth wrote:
           | Thanks! Good to know...
        
         | Etheryte wrote:
         | The increased pricing model Google Maps brought along a few
         | years ago [1] makes it a lot less appealing for public-facing
         | projects these days. It's still great for internal tools that
         | have limited and predictable volume, but for anything public
         | you'll both be building a cache layer yourself to reduce the
         | costs as well as monitoring it closely. Something as simple as
         | ending up on the HN frontpage could easily burn through your
         | planned budget. Setting quotas only solves the problem so far
         | since your service will still be unusable once you hit them.
         | 
         | [1] https://cloud.google.com/maps-platform/pricing
        
         | kabes wrote:
         | Nautical maps (available, but not the default on vesselfinder)
         | are usually a bit special. There's custom standards like ENC
         | s-52/63/57 etc. Typically with a huge amount of symbol layers
         | etc. Which is just one of the many reasons they may have gone
         | with a custom openlayers solution
        
         | rst wrote:
         | It could be a custom rendering of OSM data... whatever it is
         | has full street grids for land-locked villages in the middle of
         | France, which I can't imagine them gathering on their own. And
         | their requirements (particularly for the vessel overlays) are
         | peculiar enough that having their own renderer seems pretty
         | reasonable.
        
           | RicoElectrico wrote:
           | Clicking [i] in the bottom right corner reveals this is
           | indeed based on OSM data.
           | 
           | Kind of stupid design, as the [i] button is so big that a
           | small always visible attribution could have fit better (just
           | like on osm.org).
           | 
           | This is seemingly one of default options in OpenLayers (my
           | guess based on how often I see this type of attribution). I
           | wonder why people choose OL anyway. Sites using it in my
           | experience have on average jankier UX than those based on
           | Leaflet.
        
       | mik3y wrote:
       | If you're interested in building your own ship tracker, have I
       | got an incomplete (but functioning!) quarantine boredom project
       | for you:                 https://github.com/mik3y/airdash
       | 
       | The hobbyist AIS tracking world seems to be a bit less popular
       | than the plane tracking (ADS-B) world. I started the project
       | above to try to build a common frontend where one could show
       | both; mainly because there weren't any frontends I could find for
       | AIS traffic.
       | 
       | If you just want to decode the data, try rtl-ais:
       | https://github.com/dgiardini/rtl-ais
       | 
       | I wrote up some quick instructions on getting it working on
       | rasberry pi here:
       | https://github.com/mik3y/airdash/wiki/Running-RTL-AIS-on-
       | Raspberry-Pi
       | 
       | And a dockerized version here:
       | https://github.com/mik3y/rtl-ais-docker
        
         | hrishi wrote:
         | this is awesome, will definitely be checking it out.
         | 
         | ADS-B is definitely more popular than AIS, and I've always
         | wondered why. Perhaps it's that airplanes evoke more wonder,
         | and is more accessible over land than poor old ships?
         | 
         | Do DM me if you're looking for a position, or if you'd just
         | like to chat about vessels, AIS and anything maritime.
         | 
         | We're building maritime intelligence at Greywing (https://grey-
         | wing.com), and I'd love your input. In fact we have a Launch HN
         | post up right now, so if you have any thoughts do drop them in!
        
           | mik3y wrote:
           | Neat product! I'm a novice in this space but I'll definitely
           | keep eyes on.
           | 
           | On adoption.. I think your hunch is at least part of it. I
           | think another part, one that is very solvable, is there are
           | not a whole lot of instructions for DIY hardware & software
           | setups out there.
           | 
           | My impression is most AIS hobbyists use kits & proprietary
           | hardware shipped from commercial providers (eg
           | MarineTraffic), while rtl-ais is pretty obscure. Documenting
           | what I can as I go to change it.
        
             | floathub wrote:
             | While we don't have a standalone AIS hardware product, we
             | do have hardware and software that lets you relay AIS data
             | both to us and out to other vessel monitoring systems. More
             | data here:
             | 
             | https://support.floathub.com/hc/en-
             | us/articles/360001334348-...
             | 
             | software only version here:
             | 
             | https://github.com/floathub/sfh
             | 
             | drop a note if you want any more info.
        
           | skeletal88 wrote:
           | What are you using to display the S-52 and S-63 charts on the
           | web? I worked on a VTS product (a small vendor, not any of
           | the big ones), and there I learned that:
           | 
           | 1) The sea charts are hugely expensive, the chart sellers
           | want to sell you a subscription for a limited amount of time,
           | that would just disappear when the time is over. "safety" is
           | their justification for it 2) There are no open source
           | libraries for drawing charts, the desktop chart drawing
           | libraries are expensive, and it seems that the web products
           | that output WMS are even more expensive.
        
           | giantrobot wrote:
           | ADS-B you can pick up from just about anywhere since planes
           | are flying. AIS requires you be near enough a decent sized
           | body of water/waterway.
        
         | dan_quixote wrote:
         | Do you know of any APIs hosting ship AIS data for free? I did a
         | bunch of digging on this a few years ago and essentially came
         | up empty-handed.
        
       | cinbun8 wrote:
       | 10 points to you if you were able to zoom in correctly on the
       | Suez Canal
        
         | Black101 wrote:
         | https://i.imgur.com/uGHmeOI.png ... The 6th of October gave it
         | away....
        
       | argvargc wrote:
       | https://myshiptracking.com is an alternative without as many
       | paywall restrictions.
       | 
       | (Note that initial load of ship data can be slow.)
        
       | spockz wrote:
       | What astounds me is that we have ships ferrying things from all
       | over the world which are available nearby as well. Take this LPG
       | Tanker, taking lpg from Egypt to the states and now its way to
       | Singapore. You would think there are less roundabout ways of
       | getting lpg ...
        
         | rob74 wrote:
         | What's even more mind-boggling to me is that container
         | logistics are so cheap that a pair of jeans now goes from
         | Kazakhstan (cotton) via Turkey (spinning) via Taiwan (weaving)
         | via Poland (dying) via the Philippines (sewing) via Tunisia
         | (finishing) to finally be sold in Germany (or elsewhere in
         | Europe) - see http://competendo.net/en/A_Pair_of_Jeans . So,
         | because shipping costs next to nothing (or, at least, it used
         | to), you can optimize your supply chain and find the cheapest
         | alternative (probably also with the laxest regulations) in a
         | global race to the bottom. Capitalism at its best...
        
       | slowhand09 wrote:
       | Also https://marinetraffic.com
        
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