[HN Gopher] The deck we used to raise our seed funding
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       The deck we used to raise our seed funding
        
       Author : jeanlaf
       Score  : 143 points
       Date   : 2021-03-31 17:47 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
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       | fireeyed wrote:
       | One thing that's not clear to me is why is there so much
       | competition and crowding in "data massage" space. There is
       | Snowflake, there are all kinds of ETL tools. The customer lists
       | these startup posts have overlaps. Is it just Marketing
       | departments inside these companies playing around with these
       | tools or the CIOs cycling through the hottest startup on
       | TechCrunch list ?
        
         | ABeeSea wrote:
         | They all promise to reduce your data engineering budget. The
         | problem is that building a data connector is a one-time
         | platform problem per data source. Once it's solved; it's
         | solved. None of them solve the problem of ETL design and data
         | warehousing design.
        
           | edmundsauto wrote:
           | It sounds like you don't think solving for data connectors +
           | necessary maintenance has a lot of value. I would agree, not
           | FTE levels of value, but most companies I've seen in the SMB
           | space would do well to pay $1-3k per month to have their data
           | all housed in one spot. That lets their 1-2 DS/DE/SWE spend
           | their time actually analyzing the data.
           | 
           | Maintaining connectors is also a good way to demotivate high
           | achievers - better to have them further down the value
           | funnel.
        
         | neumann wrote:
         | It is pretty crazy.
         | 
         | I worked for a large organisation where management was far
         | closer to 'technology leaders' and 'technology strategists'
         | than engineering and data science principles and leads. They
         | would endlessly swoop in to our division asking us to assess
         | another product they have bought to fix the legacy problems of
         | multiple data sources.
         | 
         | All of them were brittle af. They all anticipated a very
         | idealistic data source and the absence of non-technical people
         | curating data in excel ten different ways.
         | 
         | Even though we were the data science team, we usually ended up
         | providing far more value to the organisation because we could
         | do data engineering and cleaning and ended up being the source
         | of truth for a lot of data required by the wider organisation.
         | We got pitched dozens of sexy solutions to fix all our ETL
         | problems, but when we started asking questions it was always
         | seemed like a well designed custom pipeline couldn't be beaten
         | for both data quality assurance, reliability and speed.
        
           | mtricot wrote:
           | That's exactly why we are approaching the problem with open
           | source. It changes the dynamic of how it gets adopted. we've
           | been in your shoes where a tool is being pushed Top-Down and
           | now you have to deal with a super complex, super expensive,
           | rigid & half working product.
           | 
           | Instead Airbyte gets adopted by engineers, data scientist...
           | to solve one problem and then the usage expands from there.
           | We can improve the product based on the feedback we get from
           | the real users.
           | 
           | And if a feature, a connector is not there, anyone can
           | actually add it!
        
         | lmeyerov wrote:
         | in my experience, most ai projects die before the ai part
         | 
         | people hate hiring data engineering (plumbing people feels like
         | cost), and data eng like tools that work but most are.too
         | niche/happypath-oriented, so even w trifacta etc, a lot of open
         | territory. SW can solve a lot of that, in theory, so everyone
         | wins.
         | 
         | And I agree that until there is an oss winner, the proprietary
         | stuff will keep getting churned through. So ultimately whatever
         | your data platform does (aws, databrick, whatever) or oss
         | you're bringing. A lot of room for vendors to carve out niches
         | b/c of connectors x use cases, until platforms/oss eats them
         | all. VC's will see some ARR and name brands and thus be happy
         | to fund: a lot of gaps any startup can fill. (I am impressed by
         | airbyte for a few non-technical reasons even without having
         | used it, so not a knock on them, so just some clues for the
         | continuing froth in their market.)
        
         | linkjuice4all wrote:
         | Coming from an ad agency background I've seen a lot of attempts
         | at "unifying" various data sources from client's analytics and
         | sales data, agency tools, and third party data sets that are
         | all in different formats, date ranges, and scopes.
         | 
         | Warehousing that data might also require firewalling clients or
         | teams for privacy or "competitive/conflict" reasons.
         | 
         | These aren't difficult problems to solve with a few
         | knowledgeable devs but that is nothing but added cost and some
         | agencies just aren't good at hiring the right devs - especially
         | if their previous exposure has been basic front end web
         | developers from their clients.
         | 
         | "Data warehouse" has also become a selling term even if "really
         | big database" is a more accurate term.
         | 
         | Hopefully more of these companies start to distinguish
         | themselves in this space but their competition isn't each other
         | - it's entry-level data people blasting through Excel.
        
       | starpilot wrote:
       | I thought this was going to be about gardening.
        
         | jeanlaf wrote:
         | Lol! It seems HN rewrote the title. The initial title was "How
         | Airbyte raised $5M with Accel in 13 days (deck included)" I
         | didn't know they renamed titles.
        
         | dang wrote:
         | Ok, we've put funding in the title above.
        
       | curiousDog wrote:
       | Very well explained! Would love to know if you folks are hiring
       | SWEs
        
         | jeanlaf wrote:
         | We are :)! Don't hesitate to apply:
         | https://docs.airbyte.io/career-and-open-positions/senior-sof...
        
           | Logon90 wrote:
           | Can you describe a bit more about compensation? Will it vary
           | by location?
        
           | kyawzazaw wrote:
           | what are the restraints for wherever you want?
           | 
           | country? timezone?
        
             | jeanlaf wrote:
             | No limits. Full remote :)
        
       | ahstilde wrote:
       | Little confused, you raised 1.8M in preseed, and then 5M in seed?
        
         | jacquesm wrote:
         | This isn't entirely in jest but here in Europe that would be a
         | series 'A', sadly. Valuations here are on an entirely different
         | scale than in the US.
        
           | cj wrote:
           | I was a bit baffled to hear valuations in the latest batches
           | are reaching $15mm+. For seed. Right of of an accelerator.
           | 
           | If they were able to raise on a cap in that ballpark, the $
           | amount makes sense.
           | 
           | I have a feeling these high valuations and giant rounds will
           | end up doing a disservice to founders of moderately (but not
           | massively) successful startups who are left with $5mm of
           | notes to pay back on acquisition with 1x liquidation
           | preference
        
         | tangjeff0 wrote:
         | Also confused here. Slide 7 [0] says seed funding of $1.8M, but
         | Airbyte is also calling the most recent round a $5M seed.
         | Implies they will call the first round Pre-Seed retroactively,
         | rather than calling the second round Seed+. It's all grey at
         | this stage either way!
         | 
         | [0]: https://airbyte.io/articles/our-story/the-deck-we-used-to-
         | ra...
        
       | krm01 wrote:
       | The deck is really not that important. Things that help you
       | raise:
       | 
       | - good product - good connections (accelerators do help) - many
       | many meetings
        
         | obayesshelton wrote:
         | More importantly the team. Products can pivot Founders are
         | crucial
        
           | jeanlaf wrote:
           | Airbyte was a pivot from a 1st product. And we had a hard
           | time raising with the 1st product. So vision / product /
           | market opportunity are also really important.
        
       | francoisp wrote:
       | congrats on the raise!
        
         | jeanlaf wrote:
         | Thanks!
        
       | laddng wrote:
       | Interesting to see the competitive analysis with Fivetran in the
       | article but then see almost identical copies of infographics used
       | between their site and Fivetran's.
       | 
       | Airbyte: https://airbyte.io/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Airbyte-
       | Seed-D...
       | 
       | Fivetran:
       | https://images.cms.fivetran.com/mgtdf72hs0mx/6qYtmEEotXqScar...
        
         | jeanlaf wrote:
         | Ah ah! We liked this diagram, because it explained how the
         | product works. Also, we already used our own infographic on the
         | cover page (https://airbyte.io/wp-
         | content/uploads/2021/03/Airbyte-Seed-D...), so we needed
         | something different.
         | 
         | Regarding the differences between Airbyte and Fivetran, here's
         | an article about it: https://docs.airbyte.io/faq/differences-
         | with/fivetran-vs-air...
         | 
         | But essentially, open-source enables us to:
         | 
         | - address the long tail of integrations (our goal is 200+ by
         | end of 2021) - we're working on a low-code/no-code framework to
         | make it easier to build and maintain connectors
         | 
         | - give you flexibility/customizability to adapt pre-built
         | connectors to your needs
         | 
         | - debugging autonomy (we're standardizing how connectors are
         | being built, so maintenance can be done by us and the
         | community)
         | 
         | - No more security and privacy compliance, as self-hosted and
         | open-sourced (MIT)
         | 
         | - No more super high prices (volume-based) that don't make
         | sense for big data companies.
        
           | qorrect wrote:
           | > we're working on a low-code/no-code framework to make it
           | easier to build and maintain connectors
           | 
           | You might take a look at Bonitasoft , I got some use out of
           | their connectors ( and WYSIWYG builder ) ten years ago.
        
             | jeanlaf wrote:
             | Interesting! thanks :)
        
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         | jacquesm wrote:
         | They launched as a Fivetran alternative. So that may not be
         | coincidence.
        
         | fireeyed wrote:
         | Shhh the investors don't know that. > if can't beat em join em.
        
       | CTmystery wrote:
       | I looked at the deck. How will you make money?
        
         | jeanlaf wrote:
         | We're a pretty transparent company, so we published our
         | strategy and future business model. You can find it here:
         | https://docs.airbyte.io/company-handbook/business-model
         | 
         | Let me know if you have any questions on it!
        
           | CTmystery wrote:
           | Nice, thanks! Looks like you are working on growing mind
           | share for the foreseeable future and layering in enterprise-
           | specific features to close big deals. Do you foresee a sales
           | team for this? Or do you think independent devs will self-
           | serve their way into larger orgs?
           | 
           | Approaches one and two make sense to me. I'm a bit lost on
           | approach three though.
        
             | atwebb wrote:
             | The Confluent/Kafka or DataBricks / Spark model seems to be
             | working out well (Redhat / Linux?).
             | 
             | A bit more on the connectors and capabilities and some
             | observability / governance and AirByte would be a killer
             | application.
        
               | jeanlaf wrote:
               | We like their model indeed!
        
             | jeanlaf wrote:
             | So if I understand well, approach 1 is mindshare. Approach
             | 2 is sales team, and approach 3 is bottom-up but self-
             | serve.
             | 
             | So definitely approach 1. Will be focusing on the open-
             | source edition for the next year or more. Doing that will
             | help us being deployed in a lot of companies. And we hope
             | this will help the sales team close the deals. So it would
             | be a mix of 2 and 3. Makes sense?
             | 
             | Anyways, that's what we have in mind. And we'll learn by
             | doing!
        
       | dang wrote:
       | If curious, past threads:
       | 
       |  _Launch HN: Airbyte (YC W20) - Open-Source ELT (Fivetran /Stitch
       | Alternative)_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25917403 -
       | Jan 2021 (87 comments)
       | 
       |  _Airbyte: Simple and extensible open-source EL(T)_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25800766 - Jan 2021 (24
       | comments)
        
         | jeanlaf wrote:
         | Thanks for putting these links!
        
       | jacquesm wrote:
       | Step one: join YC. Step two raise seed.
       | 
       | Seriously, this deck would likely not have flown without the YC
       | backing and implicit stamp of approval, once you are in YC you'd
       | have to do pretty bad _not_ to raise seed funding.
        
         | codegeek wrote:
         | I wonder if there is any YC company that failed to even raise
         | Seed Round.
        
           | jeanlaf wrote:
           | It's actually a good question. They say 1/3 of the batch
           | should raise easily, 1/3 less easily, 1/3 will struggle.
           | 
           | It's also with which fund you are raising. There are many
           | funds for sure, but raising with the top tier VCs is
           | definitely not 1/3 or even 1/10 of the batch.
           | 
           | Anyways, hopefully, this article was useful to you :).
        
           | ahstilde wrote:
           | About a third of the batch is unable to complete their round
           | every demo day season.
        
         | mtricot wrote:
         | YC does play an important role to get connections to VCs but at
         | the end of the day, "YC" is a signal for VCs, not a criteria.
         | 
         | VCs spend time looking at the team, the past achievements, the
         | product and most importantly the existing users. They also try
         | to invest in industries that they know about.
         | 
         | In our case the team experience was important. We had solved
         | the problem internally at other companies (and the scars that
         | come with it!).
         | 
         | In one of John's response, he mentioned that we've been talking
         | to many VCs. The reason was that we were looking to talk to the
         | ones who understand deeply the problem and the market we're
         | addressing. No matter how good your product or deck is, if
         | you're pitching a calendar app to a VC who is specialized in
         | deep tech, you probably won't get them on your cap table.
        
       | nickpinkston wrote:
       | First, congrats to the Airbyte team!
       | 
       | Second, I would say though that often having a team from the
       | industry with previous exits, etc. is usually a winning formula,
       | so YMMV if your team doesn't look like that, even if you have a
       | great deck, etc.
        
         | jeanlaf wrote:
         | Sure, it does help. I think timeboxing the fundraise gives some
         | FOMO to investors, if they know that you're meeting with a lot
         | of other ones. There are many things to it. But the team does
         | help for sure!
        
       | inthewoods wrote:
       | Cool project and story!
       | 
       | FYI - Just tried to view your demo at http://demo.airbyte.io -
       | got a blank screen across multiple browsers (Safari, Edge).
        
         | mtricot wrote:
         | Just fixed it! Thanks!
        
       | rich-cartwright wrote:
       | great work
        
         | jeanlaf wrote:
         | Thanks!
        
       | LukeEF wrote:
       | Great post.
       | 
       | After just going through a 6 month, pain-filled fund raise for an
       | open source database (big on integration), this is probably the
       | most upsetting thing I have ever read in my life.
       | 
       | Far away from Silicon Valley with no flashy credentials, 13 days
       | is an impossible dream.
       | 
       | That said, massive kudos to the team for such clear storytelling
       | & delivery.
        
         | jeanlaf wrote:
         | Sorry about that. Hope your fundraise was still successful.
         | Don't hesitate to reach out to john [at] airbyte.io, if we can
         | help.
        
           | LukeEF wrote:
           | It was successful - just painful. And we found really great
           | investors in the end. Will drop you a note!
        
             | jeanlaf wrote:
             | ok awesome!
        
         | qorrect wrote:
         | Can you tell us more ? How is it going, what's the future look
         | like, anything we might be able to use ?
         | 
         | Good luck keep trying!
        
           | LukeEF wrote:
           | Thanks! My reply looks a little bleak, but it was a
           | successful seed round raise (TerminusDB). We are doing fine
           | and the future is bright, it just took months of blood,
           | sweat, and tears to close.
           | 
           | Struggle is good (sometimes)...
        
         | cj wrote:
         | > Far away from Silicon Valley
         | 
         | This could end up helping much more than hurting long-term.
         | Engineering salaries in the Bay Area are insane. Salaries for
         | engineers in the US overall are very high. If you're in Europe,
         | you can likely afford 2-3x more engineers than your competitors
         | for the same amount of $ raised.
        
       | mtricot wrote:
       | Don't hesitate if you have questions :) It was 13 days but it was
       | INTENSE!
        
         | gumby wrote:
         | Since the deal was hot did you issue a term sheet rather than
         | having the prospective investors come up with terms? The latter
         | can lead to anchoring.
        
         | tstegart wrote:
         | How did you get in contact with investors? I went to the accel
         | website but I can't tell what role they play.
        
           | pm90 wrote:
           | They were incubated by YC, presumably that's how the
           | connections were made.
        
             | jeanlaf wrote:
             | There are 3 ways we got connections:
             | 
             | 1) We did have some intros thanks to being a YC company.
             | That definitely helped.
             | 
             | 2) For some funds for which we really wanted intros, we
             | asked our investors.
             | 
             | 3) We timed these 2 weeks of fundraising to happen 2 weeks
             | after some important product release for us (0.2.0). And we
             | did get some inbound from investors (them reaching out to
             | us).
             | 
             | Also being at the crossroads of data infrastructure and
             | open-source helped a lot, as both are important topics for
             | investors right now.
             | 
             | We tried to keep the meetings with the funds that we liked
             | most at the end. For instance, Accel was the 42nd investor
             | we met with.
        
               | tstegart wrote:
               | Thanks!
        
         | jariel wrote:
         | How sophisticated are investors in general with niche or arcane
         | technology segments that might not be widely understood? Do
         | they know enough to tell if your product solves specific
         | problems, or are they trusting your market validation?
         | 
         | If it was an 'intense 2 weeks' what compromised the back and
         | forth intensity? Negotiation, waiting/anxiety? Were there any
         | big surprises during raising or do they 'like it or not'?
        
           | jeanlaf wrote:
           | So within 2 weeks, we met with 45 investors (76 calls in 7
           | days, that's our record ;) ). Our goal was to identify the 10
           | VCs that understood the best our vision and industry and that
           | could bring the most value.
           | 
           | On those investors, you could see that 50% didn't know much
           | about data infrastructure, or that it was a fresh topic for
           | them. But for the 10 funds we liked best, they knew A LOT,
           | invested in it, brought a lot of insight and value, just by
           | interacting with them.
           | 
           | So for the next round, we will mostly focus on those 10
           | funds, keep them posted on our progress, so that the next
           | round is just a question of when and how.
           | 
           | In terms of negotiation, I would say we had a lot of
           | interest, so we could have negotiated the valuation higher,
           | but for us, it was more a question of who we wanted to work
           | with.
           | 
           | But will try to write a blog post on the process for more
           | details, if you think that could be useful.
        
             | jariel wrote:
             | I think that would be incredibly helpful to the community,
             | but I wouldn't ever press an 'extremely busy person' to do
             | such a thing. I honestly which YC had an 'after action
             | report' section for founders just to quickly write up some
             | materially experiential things.
             | 
             | Congrats on your raise, your pitch to me has basically all
             | of the attributes - some people see it as some kind of
             | arcane magic, but for B2B generally I don't think it is, it
             | seems you've nailed the issues quite squarely. It's a good
             | benchmark well done.
        
               | jeanlaf wrote:
               | Will try to find some time for that. Will post it on HN,
               | if I do
        
       | jeanlaf wrote:
       | If you want to have a look at our GitHub repo, here it is:
       | https://github.com/airbytehq/airbyte
        
       | Jiger104 wrote:
       | Having worked with Fivetran, Segment and Singer in the past I am
       | really excited for an opensource solution like what you guys have
       | developed. The long tail of connectors has been a real hassle
       | when you work with mostly small companies who use very specific
       | SaaS products.
       | 
       | Wish you guys best of luck
        
         | jeanlaf wrote:
         | Thanks!
        
       | psing wrote:
       | How is Airbyte optimized for building new integrations? Can you
       | explain or point to article on that, i'm curious :)
        
         | mtricot wrote:
         | we keep on improving the experience (priority #1 :) ). Would
         | love to get your feedback there!
         | 
         | Here are some articles:
         | https://docs.airbyte.io/tutorials/building-a-python-source
         | https://docs.airbyte.io/tutorials/toy-connector
         | https://docs.airbyte.io/integrations/custom-connectors
        
       | yllus wrote:
       | Nice deck! And terrific market positioning; in doing my own
       | research of trying to get all organizational data in a single
       | place in an otherwise non-technical organization, I've done demos
       | of Fivetran and a few of your other competitors and your analysis
       | of their weaknesses are spot on. I'll be giving your product a
       | try.
        
         | jeanlaf wrote:
         | Awesome, thanks! Don't hesitate to join our Slack -
         | https://slack.airbyte.io - (800+ members).
         | 
         | We only have this public Slack workspace for the team, so the
         | whole team is there and is pretty responsive!
        
           | JoblessWonder wrote:
           | You need a graph of Slack channel adoption... lol.
           | 
           | (The Github stars graph made me think of it! Congrats on the
           | funding/product. Looks great!)
        
             | jeanlaf wrote:
             | Indeed. We'll add it for the next round ;)
        
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