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       2I/Borisov, the First Interstellar Comet to Have Visited Our Solar
       System
        
       Author : wglb
       Score  : 74 points
       Date   : 2021-04-04 14:02 UTC (8 hours ago)
        
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       | e40 wrote:
       | Anton Petrov has a few videos on this
       | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCciQ8wFcVoIIMi-lfu8-cjQ/sea...
       | He is one of my favorite youtubers.
        
       | sam-2727 wrote:
       | I think the article title is not representing the actual finding
       | well. Stated better in this article:
       | https://earthsky.org/space/2i-borisov-pristine-comet-interst...,
       | "2I/Borisov could represent the first truly pristine comet ever
       | observed," meaning it hasn't interacted with a star before.
        
       | dongobongo wrote:
       | A company I work with recently started design and development for
       | space craft to catch Borisov or Omouamoua, the other extra solar
       | object that recently passed by, using a nuclear decay heat source
       | and Hall effect thrusters. It's pretty realistic and doable - no
       | bleeding edge technologies. Very high power density, very high
       | isp, very fast space craft. Apparently, they can achieve 100km/s
       | + velocity delta for a very small payload:
       | https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/spacetech/niac/2021_Phase_...
       | 
       | The same system could do a Mars visit and return to Earth for
       | small payloads in 50 days.
       | 
       | This stuff needs to get funded! They are funded for initial
       | studies and design with NASA, but I know they are looking for
       | extra funding to pull off the mission faster without being tied
       | to NASA's timelines and mercurial objectives.
        
         | lrem wrote:
         | Why?
         | 
         | I appreciate the coolness factor. But, unless the payload can
         | be enough to pull off a 1998 Bruce Willis, what's the
         | _immediate_ benefit? Or, would this be fundamental to some
         | research?
        
           | dongobongo wrote:
           | Regarding Omouamoua, we just observed for the first time in
           | human history, a cylinder or plate shaped object from another
           | star flying through our solar system with questionable
           | orbital velocities (we are not quite sure how to explain a
           | small acceleration it had). A cylinder/plate is not a low
           | energy geometry (things like to turn into spherical type
           | objects over time), it's from another solar system, we don't
           | know very much about it. How could you not want to visit it?
           | 
           | It's an opportunity to pull off a speed and distance record,
           | visit something from another solar system, resolve big
           | research questions about its shape, composition, origin and
           | rule out any theories of its possible intelligent origin.
           | They are also pursuing it to showcase the benefits of nuclear
           | heat for space.
        
             | sneak wrote:
             | Sol is the name of our star, so there is only one Solar
             | system.
        
               | vmception wrote:
               | This is a more of an etymology issue than what you think,
               | if you need to look up the word etymology, I'm referring
               | to the the history of the words and not suggesting any
               | changing meaning
        
               | codeulike wrote:
               | solar system (noun)
               | 
               | earth science - the sun and the group of planets that
               | move around it, _or a similar system somewhere else in
               | the universe_
               | 
               | (Definition of the solar system from the Cambridge
               | Academic Content Dictionary (c) Cambridge University
               | Press)
               | 
               | https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/solar
               | -sy...
        
           | dvh wrote:
           | Because oumuamua had aspect ratio 10:1
        
             | dboreham wrote:
             | Like the bounty hunter's ship.
        
             | cambalache wrote:
             | It didnt. It had a perceived dimming factor of 10:1 which
             | suggests (but does not prove) a "weird" shape
        
           | Fordec wrote:
           | Let's see..
           | 
           | Search for evidence of life outside the solar system. Unless
           | you're planning a trip to another star system this is all
           | we've got in our lifetimes.
           | 
           | Hitching a fast ride to the outer edges of the solar system
           | since it's on a hyperbolic trajectory.
           | 
           | What is the asteroid made of? That shape of asteroid is not
           | normal. Usually they're rubble piles, these were different.
           | Is there formation methods we don't yet know? Were they
           | fragments of a planet's destruction?
           | 
           | On an engineering level, we've never had to rendezvous with
           | something on this trajectory before. Can we?
        
           | pyuser583 wrote:
           | Dont underplay the "coolness factor." The moon landing was
           | pretty cool. Not practical, but freaking cool.
           | 
           | We need more coolness in public policy.
        
           | azernik wrote:
           | It would be absolutely helpful to astronomy and planetary
           | science research. We have never in history looked at
           | extrasolar material up close.
           | 
           | And if it is indeed relatively cheap, it doesn't need to be
           | "fundamental".
        
           | mynegation wrote:
           | That is how progress works. Lots of things were researched or
           | invented before progress in other areas (materials,
           | economics, society, other scientific finds...) made these
           | findings useful or even feasible. You never know when and why
           | you will need this, the only thing you know - it will be used
           | eventually. Maybe this will give some important clues into
           | the future interstellar travel, maybe the tricks and
           | technologies invented for this mission will be used
           | elsewhere, maybe sample will give important clues into the
           | origins and probability of life.
        
         | TheBlight wrote:
         | How would you locate their precise position?
        
         | _Microft wrote:
         | Do you know how these chargeable atomic batteries (,,CAB")
         | which are mentioned on the NASA webpage work? A web search does
         | not return anything useful.
        
           | marshmallow_12 wrote:
           | if it's what i think they are, they are essentially batteries
           | with a radioactive source. It relies on the gradual decay of
           | the source to create energy which is somehow harnessed and
           | used as a power source. I have learnt here on HN that they
           | last many years, are used on space projects such as the
           | voyager probes, and more recently, the mars rover. They are
           | impractical for other uses, such as powering your fridge and
           | home. And their price is.... astronomical.
        
             | _Microft wrote:
             | Atomic batteries are a thing; I was wondering how they
             | could be made chargeable.
        
           | dongobongo wrote:
           | The typical radioisotope generator is a Plutonium-238 source
           | like the MMRTG on the Mars rovers. The Plutonium decays by
           | alpha emission with a half life of 80+ years. The problem is
           | there is a very limited supply of Plutonium-238 - we use the
           | entire supply for Mars Rover - and it's very controlled
           | material.
           | 
           | The CAB starts with a non-radioactive material like Cobalt-59
           | spheres placed in a ceramic matrix. It is then put into a
           | nuclear reactor where it turns into Cobalt-60, which releases
           | energy by beta and gamma emission with a half life of 5
           | years. This charging can be done every couple years to
           | generate more Cobalt-60 inside the device. Such a power
           | source is something like 40x as power dense as the Pu-238
           | source and since it's made of high temperature ceramics, it
           | can go to very high temperatures which is very useful for
           | space generators where you have to reject heat using
           | blackbody radiators.
        
       | hsnewman wrote:
       | The title is incorrect (most likely). It is the "First Known
       | Intersteller Commet to have visited our solar system"!
        
         | URfejk wrote:
         | Indeed.
        
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       | Klwohu wrote:
       | It irritates me to read claims like this. Our solar system is
       | billions of years old. How could we possibly know if 2I/Borisov
       | is the very, very absolute first interstellar comet to have
       | visited our solar system?
       | 
       | Lazy stupid science press.
        
         | macintux wrote:
         | A title missing one word, "known"; the body of the news item
         | doesn't seem controversial.
         | 
         | Doesn't seem worthy of such contempt.
        
       | lippel82 wrote:
       | The headline seems to be plainly wrong. It's an interstellar
       | comet that supposedly has not had a close encounter with another
       | star. But it certainly is not the "first interstellar comet to
       | have visited our solar system", or did I miss something?
        
         | UnlockedSecrets wrote:
         | It is the first confirmed interstellar comet and so is the
         | first under the interstellar comet classification, Unfortunate
         | that the headline does not contain that detail however.
        
         | davidcuddeback wrote:
         | It's somewhat debatable. 1I/Omuamua was reclassified as an
         | asteroid because it didn't exhibit a coma. But it's possible
         | that it's a remnant of a comet.
        
           | firebaze wrote:
           | Despite reading quite a lot about astronomy, comets and
           | asteroids and the history of all of the three, I didn't get
           | the distinction between asteroids and comets yet. I
           | understand the composition makes the difference, but I didn't
           | get why we expect exactly two (!) distinct categories of
           | intersolar/interstellar objects, and giving them exactly two
           | distinct names. Why not more, or less (i.e. no distinction at
           | all, just a summary of the probable composition)?
           | 
           | Why is this so? Is there a fundamental reason to make this
           | special distinction, or is it just "tradition"?
        
             | garmaine wrote:
             | Mostly tradition. Asteroids have had their volatiles baked
             | off their surface, or never had them due to forming inside
             | the frost line. But it's not a very intrinsically
             | meaningful distinction--it's more about what they look like
             | from the vantage point of Earth as they come by on close
             | approach.
        
             | AnimalMuppet wrote:
             | Asteroids mostly have circular orbits. Comets (at least the
             | ones we see) tend to have very highly eliptical orbits.
             | That I think is the origin of the distinction.
             | 
             | But asteroids also tend to be at lower distances from the
             | sun than comets. That in turn leads to them tending to be
             | composed more of rocky material, whereas comets have more
             | ice.
             | 
             | I am not an astronomer, so any and all details may be in
             | error. Corrections are welcome.
        
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