[HN Gopher] Mark Zuckerberg's phone number appeared among the le... ___________________________________________________________________ Mark Zuckerberg's phone number appeared among the leaked data of Facebook users Author : seesawtron Score : 331 points Date : 2021-04-04 15:10 UTC (7 hours ago) (HTM) web link (www.businessinsider.com) (TXT) w3m dump (www.businessinsider.com) | clankyclanker wrote: | To put this in perspective, Faceboook just leaked information | about, at most, 1 in every 15 people, _in the world._ | | (Less, depending on the number of folks with multiple accounts, | which FB seems to try to prevent?) | 0x4d464d48 wrote: | Not sure if you're trying to minimize the impact or draw | attention to its severity but that is a colossal number. | seesawtron wrote: | This post is a nice way to put this number into perspective. | | https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/mjufnx/if_. | .. | ddevault wrote: | This is why I call for zero-knowledge information exchange, | decentralization, and genuine end-to-end encryption. The most | secure data is data you don't have, and any company which claims | to store data "securely" is grossly irresponsible. Even the | world's largest tech companies with access to truly staggering | engineering budgets can and will leak your data. It's not if: | it's when. | | We need to regulate this. | poundofshrimp wrote: | I'm curious to see if existing regulation in this regard has | been effective. I know there is HIPAA, but does it actually | reduce data leaks in the Health Care field? | BurningFrog wrote: | The 10 digit number space is completely filled up, so you can | just call/text numbers at random and be almost sure it reaches | someone. | | So I think it's time to use UUIDs instead. They're hard to type, | but you hardly ever need that. | | What am I missing? | yuliyp wrote: | WW91IGFyZW4ndCBtaXNzaW5nIGFueXRoaW5nLiBJdHMgcGVyZmVjdGx5IG5vcm1 | hbCBmb3IgaWRlbnRpZmllcnMgd2hpY2ggbWF5IG5lZWQgdG8gYmUgcmVhZC93cm | l0dGVuIHRvIGxvb2sgbGlrZSBnaWJiZXJpc2gu | | UUIDs are horrible. While a computer doesn't really care about | the way an identifier looks, humans sometimes _do_ need to look | at them and operate on them (compare them, transcribe them, | dictate them, recognize them). | nyanpasu64 wrote: | UUIDs are a _lot_ shorter than the gibberish you typed: | 604a6a34-6d33-4148-8e75-6aee31b0d963 | | It is true that it's difficult to compare and transcribe. | iib wrote: | When I opened this post, I saw it was much wider than any | post I have seen on hackernews. I tried looking into the css, | I thought it was somehow different, for whatever reason. | | I could not find anything and then I encountered your | comment. Apparently, your unbreakable long word makes the | site very wide. | | I didn't know comments can affect how wide the page borders | are. Is this not bad UI? I am unsure who to ask. | bezoz wrote: | Maybe Mark Zuckerberg can sue Facebook, get a handsome reward and | just put it back in the company, so it all evens out in the end? | xwx wrote: | According to this tweet, this shows the Zuck himself uses Signal: | https://twitter.com/michilehr/status/1378666681451569153 | johannes1234321 wrote: | You must observe the competition and maybe he doesn't want his | employees to be able to see what he is doing :-D | bellyfullofbac wrote: | What a useless screenshot. Sure if we believe him then he | actually added Zuck's number into his address book and he got | this notification from Signal. But if I want to doctor a | screenshot like this, I can rename my non-Signal-using friend | in my address book to "Zuck", and make my friend install | Signal, and voila, "Zuck is now using Signal"... | Yajirobe wrote: | Yes, that is totally Mark Zuckerberg | milansuk wrote: | I'm not on Facebook for 2years, but I'm thinking about | downloading the database just to see If I'm in it. I don't care | about other records. Or do I have other options to figure it out? | | Edit: I forgot about haveibeenpwned.com. Any info about when they | will add this leak? | | Edit2: Haveibeenpwned added 2.5 million email addresses. But it's | possible that my record doesn't have email. | Jaygles wrote: | I deactivated my FB account 3-4 years ago, not deleted. For | some reason I am not in this leak. At least not in the USA | file. | milansuk wrote: | Thanks. I just found my backup file(exported from Facebook | when I deleted the account) and it's dated September 2016, so | it's actually 4.5 years. Time flies and I don't regret that | decision at all! | bart__ wrote: | There is a torrent you can download, I used jackett to find it | viraptor wrote: | You can find him on Signal now | https://mobile.twitter.com/Daviey/status/1378645798439768064 | ben509 wrote: | There's a good discussion on this by Troy Hunt[1]. | | > But for spam based on using phone number alone, it's gold. Not | just SMS, there are heaps of services that just require a phone | number these days and now there's hundreds of millions of them | conveniently categorised by country with nice mail merge fields | like name and gender.[2] | | > Another general observation on this incident: I'm seeing | _extensive_ sharing of the data, both the entire corpus of | countries and individual country files. Not just in hacking | circles, but very broadly on social media too. This data is | everywhere already.[3] | | > New breach: Facebook had 2.5M addresses exposed in an incident | that impacted 533M subscribers' phone numbers. Most records | contained name and gender, many also included DoB, location, | relationship status and employer. 65% were already in | @haveibeenpwned[4] | | > If we look at the data, email is rare, DoB is rare so the | greatest impact here is the phone numbers. Even though it's | "only" 20% of FB users, the number is obviously substantial thus | so is the impact[5] | | [1]: https://twitter.com/troyhunt | | [2]: https://twitter.com/troyhunt/status/1378485999781613569 | | [3]: https://twitter.com/troyhunt/status/1378513457209696256 | | [4]: | https://twitter.com/haveibeenpwned/status/137855490210063565... | | [5]: https://twitter.com/troyhunt/status/1378474534760685568 | usr1106 wrote: | > Another general observation on this incident: I'm seeing | extensive sharing of the data, both the entire corpus of | countries and individual country files. Not just in hacking | circles, but very broadly on social media too. | | I made a Google search 8 hours ago. There were 10 pages hits of | link spammers where you have won an Iphone, but they don't have | the data. So, yes public interest seems big. I wonder why | Google cannot catch those, after opening the first one I could | recognize the rest from the address and the snippet. Google did | not have a correct link that still had the data. Maybe they are | not publishing those, getting bad reputation to big data is not | exactly in their interest. | th3h4mm3r wrote: | Maybe in the dark net? Anyone check this? | adkadskhj wrote: | Anyone know if Haveibeenpwned will have this type of info? I'm | super curious to search my name, warn people i know, etc - but | i'm not sure i want to search for and/or download the data. | | What's a good way to know if myself or my loved ones are in it? | sbuk wrote: | https://twitter.com/troyhunt/status/1378463581604220931 | | "I've had a heap of queries about this. I'm looking into it | and yes, if it's legit and suitable for @haveibeenpwned it'll | be searchable there shortly." | | I'm sure it will be. | ginko wrote: | Seems he'll only add the records with email addresses and | not phone numbers: | | > And no, I have no intention of adding phone number search | in the foreseeable future. There's a User Voice suggestion | for that and a comment from me which boils down to "much | higher work and much lower value" | dktalks wrote: | Not sure how this is too much work unless everything is | tightly coupled with relating an email address to | everything in their database and not a keyword to search | for. | Waterluvian wrote: | Impossible to have an informed opinion while lacking all | information about how the back end is designed and what | the author does with their time. | cush wrote: | Everyone likes to be an armchair architect. | dave5104 wrote: | Seems the difficult work is normalizing all of the data | and making it easily searchable for all: | | > I also can't parse the, out with a regex like I can an | email address as they don't adhere to a consistent | format. Further, the inconsistencies in format make | searching difficult as they'd have to be "normalised" and | that's something that's very country (and even region) | specific. | | https://haveibeenpwned.uservoice.com/forums/275398-genera | l/s... | sbuk wrote: | https://haveibeenpwned.com/PwnedWebsites#Facebook | perl4ever wrote: | >65% were already in @haveibeenpwned | | So is this breach related to reusing or having a weak password? | | Or is it completely independent? | reitanqild wrote: | Someone (or a script) flagged Ronson who had posted direct links. | | I only tested the Norway link in his post but that was legit. | | (I first verified with Virustotal and then thought twice before | opening the zip file.) | tpmx wrote: | Karma? | | "People just submitted it. I don't know why. They 'trust me'. | Dumb f*cks." | readflaggedcomm wrote: | If this were a game of intrigue, it would provide plausible | deniability for anybody who got caught with his contacts. Would | have been fun to include that in the article. | [deleted] | lsllc wrote: | I've never been an FB "person", but maybe 6-7 years ago the local | running club moved to scheduling _everything_ on FB. For a while, | the page was "public", but then you had to have an account | (which required a phone number) to see anything other than the | club's "landing page". So I ended up making an FB account which | I've only ever used to be able to see the club pages (I haven't | ever posted anything!) -- dumb of me I know, but FB had almost | become a requirement to participate in life. | | However recently, I've noticed that I now get a couple of junk | text every day or two whereas up until a few weeks ago, I don't | think I'd ever had a single junk text. | | I wonder if this is why. | sneak wrote: | It's antisocial to demand someone submit to surveillance | capitalism to participate in a club or a friendship. | | Complain loudly, and delete your fb account. Be a nuisance | about it at club meetups. | | Caving just makes it worse for the next guy. | chiph wrote: | The cost of sending texts has gone to effectively zero, so | there's no barrier to someone sending one to all the numbers in | sequence. At least, until the phone company catches on and | blocks you. | | The one I got late last night was pretending to be from the US | Postal Service, prompting me to click on an anonymous link in | order to "rescedule delivery" | vanviegen wrote: | That's interesting. SMS wholesale prices in my part of the | world (Western Europe) are still at around $0.07. This seems | to indicate some kind of market failure. But whatever it is, | it's fine by me, as I can still count the number of spam/scam | text message I ever received on one hand. | | So how can we cause the email market to fail in a similar | way? ;-) | johannes1234321 wrote: | > That's interesting. SMS wholesale prices in my part of | the world (Western Europe) are still at around $0.07. | | Isn't it rather they was it is supposed to be? - | "Everybody" uses messengers for communication. SMS has lost | that battle. Whoever uses SMS does so due to a need. | LeifCarrotson wrote: | No, many of my peers (30somethings in midwestern US) | default to SMS. The only platforms you can guarantee | everyone in a group can be expected to have are email, | SMS, or phone calls, so for informal social stuff we end | up in a text message thread. | | Probably 80% have Facebook, 50% iMessage, 30% Discord 20% | Twitter/Signal/Telegram/Whatsapp (pre-FB). | | What messenger app can you depend on everyone having if | not one of those three federated platforms? | chrisan wrote: | You can explain to your friends that group text messages | are horrible, and there are far better ways of having | daily conversations with separate threads. | | Nearly all of my 40 something friends from the Midwest | have both telegram and discord, however telegram is | primarily used as its just better on mobile. We have | groups for all kinds of topics, cars, garden, tv, movies, | sports, politics (ewww), etc. If you aren't interested in | lawncare simply leave or mute the group in remain in | touch via other mutual groups. The only guy not in the | group is someone who still prefers phone calls. | | I've yet to not be able to convince someone that separate | threads/groups is way better than a bulk text group. | smabie wrote: | Is that true tho? Me and my friends use SMS a lot. But | maybe other people don't? | ghaff wrote: | In the US, pretty much everyone I know uses SMS/iMessage | (in addition to the use of SMS for verification, | appointment reminders, etc.) The main exception is Google | Chat at work because we use GSuite. Sometimes Twitter DM | if I don't have someone's email handy. But I have a total | of 1 friend in Europe who I use Facebook Messenger with. | DangitBobby wrote: | For one-on-one messaging, SMS is still very alive. | dvfjsdhgfv wrote: | That's interesting. Where I live I have unlimited text | messages and minutes for EUR5/month. So whenever I want | to text someone, I just use SMS - I don't have to think | if they use Whatsapp, Messenger or something else. (Apple | hijacks them but is doing so more or less transparently, | so I don't mind.) | RileyJames wrote: | I'm not sure spammers pay wholesale rates. Pretty sure they | purchase the cheapest SIM cards with unlimited texts and | put them in gsm modems which spam out texts. | | In Australia a SIM card can be purchased retail, with | unlimited texts for $5. | | At 750~ texts sent you've already beat that wholesale rate. | That's approximately one an hour, over the month. I'd be | surprised if they couldn't pump much larger volumes. | fourier456 wrote: | For whatever reason, I find it creepy to read about other | people having received the same spam that I did. | dillondoyle wrote: | Going to get worse SCOTUS just ruled saying a very strict | reading definition on robocall to be only random or | sequential numbers. So if you already have a list say bought | from a 3rd party company of all the phones in the US sounds | like you can bulk send now no repercussions. | | In my field - politics - campaigns use tools like Hustle | which are basically mechanical turk clickers to get around | these rules. I'm thinking personally this will change... | [deleted] | nradov wrote: | Have you actually read the whole SCOTUS decision? Because | that's not at all what it said. | [deleted] | URSpider94 wrote: | I haven't seen a clear analysis of the decision's impact. | I've read it, it's quite brief. As I understand it, this | decision essentially guts the blanket prohibition on spam | text messages to cell phones. The rest of the law refers | to restrictions on calls to "residential" phone lines, | which does not include cell phones, so it's not clear | that there are any other limitations on texts to cell | phones - do you see it differently? | | This brings up the side issue that the act doesn't ever | mention text messages at all ... everyone has interpreted | them to be covered as if they were phone calls, but | that's never been tested at the Supreme Court level. | sgerenser wrote: | The decision was unanimous and is really the only | possible conclusion from a plain reading of the law. The | court didn't "gut" anything, it's just a bad law. It's up | to Congress to enact a law that says what they actually | want the law to do. | wruza wrote: | I think the opposite is true: still quite high costs are the | cause of SMS spam. If the carriers did not profit from this, | they would have destroyed SMS spam as a phenomenon on the | same day. | posguy wrote: | AT&T, Verizon, US Cellular and T-Mobile have all imposed | fees on Application to Person SMSes, so they definitely are | making more money off this: | https://www.plivo.com/blog/a2p-10dlc/ | grumple wrote: | I have also noticed this the past couple weeks. I don't think | it's related to Facebook- I deleted my Facebook account before | 2019. However, I've also recently had discussions with Twilio | (all of the below is non-confidential information according to | our conversation): | | The carriers are cracking down on sms spam. They are going to | force registration of all businesses sending texts, not just | with services like Twilio, but with them. And prices / rent- | seeking from the carriers is going up - they are going to | charge for each campaign/brand you run. So in the end you'll | see less spam, but texting will also cost more for companies | that send them. | | The initial rollout by AT&T was supposed to start 5/1, though | that's now been pushed back. Spammers are likely in their death | throes, trying to get their last spam out before they get shut | down or priced out. | baby wrote: | > However recently, I've noticed that I now get a couple of | junk text every day or two whereas up until a few weeks ago, I | don't think I'd ever had a single junk text. | | I think this is a symptom of living in the US. Been receiving | robocalls and text messages all the time since I moved here. | dylan604 wrote: | You also have to consider that someone somewhere probably had | your phone number before you did. There's no telling what the | previous person did with that number. | frongpik wrote: | I can tell you why. It's because you gave FB your personal | phone number, while any number would work, e.g. a prepaid sim | card (a one time 15 bucks expense). | vmception wrote: | but more likely, someone else uploaded their own entire | contact book which included your number and likely email at | one point | techrat wrote: | I signed up before Facebook ever required phone numbers. | | I never gave Facebook my phone number. | | I never had a Facebook app on any Android device, ever. | | When I use Facebook, it's in a sandboxed browser that I never | log into any other site with. | | Facebook, for a time, started autofilling a prompt with my | phone number, asking me to complete my account setup. | | When Facebook has an app and all the people you know send | their contacts to it, they don't need you to give them your | phone number for them to have it. | Taniwha wrote: | In my case it's even worse - someone else signed up with my | email address ... | executive wrote: | Ebay recently got my number too, not sure how. PayPal | perhaps. | Guest42 wrote: | I did some research and it seemed as though the companies | would auto-renew and make it incredibly tough to close the | accounts. I wouldn't be surprised if some went so far as to | send people to collections for "fees". | frongpik wrote: | You don't need to give your ID or sign up for auto renewal. | koolba wrote: | There's no auto renewal, contract, or collections for a | prepaid sim. In most states you don't even show ID to get | one. Just give whatever name you'd like on the caller ID | and pay the first month. | dataflow wrote: | Interesting, didn't know this can differ based on the | state. Which ones do/don't let you do this? | Cu3PO42 wrote: | Please be aware that this is not true for all countries. | I can, for example, not get a SIM without submitting ID | and proof of residence (if not already covered by ID). | Guest42 wrote: | Can you show me an example of one that can be purchased | online? I didn't notice any on Amazon when I looked. (for | curiosity's sake) | koolba wrote: | I'm not sure about online, but I know you can walk into a | T-mobile store with $15 cash and walk out with a SIM | card. | dylan604 wrote: | Or better yet, have someone else walk into the | brick&mortar store to buy it for you | jrockway wrote: | Used that method as my primary cell phone contract for | many years. | | I haven't looked into it recently, but it must be easy. | Many games have SMS verification for accounts, and it | seems that every person that streams those games has like | 10 accounts. | tablespoon wrote: | Or a Walmart. Years ago, before Google Voice, I got one | because I needed a local area code number for my | apartment's buzzer. Mainly to see that if I could do it, | I did things as anonymously as possible: bought a | Tracphone at Walmart with cash. Turns out you needed an | existing phone number to activate it, so I used the | payphone that was outside a nearby gas station. | anticristi wrote: | I feel your pain. Getting announcements from my local skating | club is the only reason why I keep my FB account. :( | rantwasp wrote: | yeah no. FB is not a requirement to participate in life. never | was, never will be. | | i would say FB is a requirement for feeling inadequate and for | developing mental health problems early in life. | | LE: going full stallman on this one: | https://stallman.org/facebook.html | | read it and tell me i'm crazy | Forge36 wrote: | A friend of mine successfully quit for years. He moved to a | small town recently made a new account because "small towns | apparently run on Facebook". While but true for everyone it's | true in some places | rantwasp wrote: | some places require you to be a hardcore christian and a | white supremacist. Are those places the best examples? | Forge36 wrote: | Those don't discount Facebook being required. Fortunately | this place didn't require hardcore christianity. (I'm | hopeful it's not filled with white supremacists, time | will tell) | CameronNemo wrote: | My RA at uni used Facebook to coordinate floor wide games and | events. Several on campus organizations exclusively used | Facebook to inform people of events. | | FB was not a requirement for attending uni, but it was a | requirement for being fully involved on my campus. | aiilns wrote: | I don't really agree with rantwasp and in his/hers answer | to you I don't understand what he is talking about | lawsuits. | | In my university (in Europe) not only several student | organizations used exclusiveley Facebook, but professors | (well students really) as well. | | For example, we would be teams of maybe ~10 -20 people at a | given hospital department and because situations were fluid | and changes constant we needed to coordinate. Times of | impromtu lectures obviously weren't set, patients that may | be of interest for all to see & know the case etc were | always changing. The doctors would inform one student and | then depend on the students informing each other for all | these things and guess what they used. Facebook & | messenger. | | In this situation the only out was depending on a person | who had a fb account to inform me which did add extra | difficulties. That is what I did mostly but it wasn't easy. | __turbobrew__ wrote: | That sounds horrible. Universities -- especially public | ones -- should relay communications through either open | standards (email) or through a university maintained | website. | | My university in Canada did well in this respect. I would | have thought that European universities would be | "enlightened" to the fact that using a private company to | relay university communications is a mistake. | Cu3PO42 wrote: | I'm at a public University in Europe and can say that we | do occasionally rely on third parties, but only such | third parties with which we have an appropriate contract. | | We also have self-hosted equivalent for almost everything | and a quick email to the data protection officer will get | problems rectified swiftly. | | Most student organizations are also very mindful about | not using third party services for their events. However, | we often get the feedback that many students would rather | we just use Discord rather than Mattermost/Jitsu/... | rantwasp wrote: | sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen if you ask me. How | is uni tied to a crappy corporation? | | i'm gonna bet you real money that 1) either they had | multiple channels (ie you didn't really need FB) or 2) they | will pay legal fees through their noses once the shit hits | the proverbial fan. | barbazoo wrote: | > games and events | | Not tied to uni but virtually mandatory to participate in | social events. Sure you can just say to simply opt out | but then it might be more difficult to socialize. | nradov wrote: | There's no basis for such a lawsuit. You might not like | it but they're not breaking the law. | rantwasp wrote: | hmm. i'm not sure that's true. a university has more | things to consider than just "can we use this app?" | otterley wrote: | Consider attending law school so you can learn the law | instead of just guessing what it might be. | Cu3PO42 wrote: | That would depend on where the parent is from. In Germany | you would absolutely have a case if your public | University tried to make you use Facebook. In fact, you | could probably skip the lawsuit and just report it to the | appropriate authority. | xmprt wrote: | I don't think any public university is _making_ someone | use Facebook. The issue is that every single event is | posted on Facebook so your options are either 1. create a | Facebook so you can find out, 2. don 't participate, or | 3. inconvenience your friends by asking them to tell you | about all the events. | MegaButts wrote: | > i'm gonna bet you real money that 1) either they had | multiple channels (ie you didn't really need FB) or 2) | they will pay legal fees through their noses once the | shit hits the proverbial fan. | | I'm interested in this bet. How much and what are the | terms? | johannes1234321 wrote: | There are cases where there might be a basis for a | lawsuit (some professor at a public university hiding in | Facebook) | | But for the way the student leaning group organizes or | the restaurant down the road takes reservation or what | medium is used by the parents of my child's school class | to discuss things is not a legal concern. | H_Pylori wrote: | Are shoes really a requirement to partecipate in society? | tester756 wrote: | Unfortunely without FB studying (attending) would be 10 times | harder. | vijaybritto wrote: | I'm not getting the link between study and Facebook. Is it | required in your country? | Raed667 wrote: | When I was in school, a lot of the teachers would create | Facebook Groups per class to share documents, prep-work, | assignments etc.. | | I think the school moved to a self hosted Moodle[0] by | now, but when I was there having a Facebook account was | definitely required. | | A friend of mine is also struggling with his kids' soccer | practice as they only organize and do announcements over | Facebook. | | [0] https://moodle.org | tester756 wrote: | it isn't, but if you don't want to make everything harder | for you | | like being aware of what's going on - | (projects,tasks,exams,blabla), communication with all | other students | | then you're basically forced. | easton wrote: | What country are you in? In the US everything school | related goes onto Canvas, Blackboard or Moodle. There's | some other tools people use as well (Piazza being popular | at some schools), but I've never heard of school info going | primarily on Facebook, even for study groups. | tester756 wrote: | There's a lot of of informal stuff that you also want to | know/be aware of from those facebook chats. | | It's not like the school itself requires you to use FB, | but students desire to use it as a way of _our_ | communication | easton wrote: | Interesting. Around here, that all goes on GroupMe or | Discord. | tester756 wrote: | I've been studying in different "mode", cuz it was on | weekends so you could work while studying. | | Because of that I've been studying with people that were | e.g 25 or 30 at 1st semester, so probably FB was the | handiest solution for everybody. | | I guess if I started now with 19/20yos, then Discord | would be way to go. | rantwasp wrote: | is it harder? maybe. is it a requirement? nah | tester756 wrote: | at some point of the increased difficulty it becomes a | requirement. | rantwasp wrote: | it does not. FB becoming a requirement is such a 1st | world problem. Try living without clean water and come | back to lecture me about "increased difficulty" | tester756 wrote: | holy shit dude | | yea, water is required to live, facebook is required to | get degree times easier in my example, those aren't | mutually excluisive | | what do you want to argue here about, except just arguing | for the sake of arguing? | | I don't like fb, I don't use it when I don't have to and | after graduation I'm probably not going to use it more | often than once a X months, | | but I had to have & sometimes use it unless I wanted to | make my life harder - I don't like it, but that's the | reality. | rantwasp wrote: | I am not arguing with you. I am pointing out FB is a POS | and that it should not be required. Period. | | Anything that uses FB as a way of keeping people informed | should use at least another channel to disseminate that | information, preferably not tied to big corporations. | tester756 wrote: | >should use at least another channel | | how are you going to convince | $whole_group_of_students_of_given_year to move | communication off the facebook? | herbst wrote: | By not participating, loudly. Easy as that | | By taking part you just make this more normal/ok than it | really is | johannes1234321 wrote: | Maybe that would work now (while nowadays some people | look confussed at me that I don't have an instagram | account) but at least ten years ago that brought a | reaction like "weirdo" and people continued to use their | group. In some cases you have a friend who relates | messages to you. | | In these days, where in presence school in many places | doesn't happen students know each other only virtually, | if you don't hang out where the crowd is, there is no | chance of getting information. | ryandrake wrote: | If some group of friends shuns you because they insist on | you using Facebook, then I have bad news for you: they | might not be such good friends as you think. | | I've been off FB for close to 10 years now and I can say | with confidence that it has not had any measurable | detrimental effect on my social life. My friends know I'm | not there and know how to contact me, and they do. An | event that is exclusively organized on FB is not an event | I want to participate in, so I don't. Dumping FB probably | improved my social life and mental health since I'm not | wasting so much life "scrolling the feed" anymore. | johannes1234321 wrote: | As do, I but in some situations it's hard to avoid. But | good it works for you. | throwaway3699 wrote: | How do you participate in a boycott loudly when you can't | announce your lack of presence? | | That's like protesting a party by leaving the room. | Cu3PO42 wrote: | Great. When I was in high school, Facebook was used for | organizing all the student activities. I didn't have | Facebook and of course people said they'd let me know | through other means. Spoiler alert: they almost never | did. | | So the alternative was to either bite the bullet and | create a Facebook account or be left out of a ton of | activities. And no, making them go somewhere else wasn't | an option. I didn't have any leverage in that | negotiation. | | I can appreciate that by giving in I am at worst part of | the problem and maybe today I'd do it differently, but I | really didn't fancy crippling my social life and I | wouldn't blame anyone for making that choice. | tester756 wrote: | and if nobody moves then? | | then I'm at the disadvantage, sad but that's the reality. | yibg wrote: | It's also not a requirement to have a phone, or internet, | or electricity. Harder sure, but not a requirement right? | rantwasp wrote: | nah. let's not compare electricity to a bloated social | media platform. if FB goes away tomorrow we can pretty | much keep going. if electricity goes away our society | would crumble. | Scoundreller wrote: | I'd use "grid electricity" as my example. You can | generate your own in the right circumstances, with a lot | of benefits, but it can make things kinda difficult. | Blikkentrekker wrote: | There is no objective definition of "participating in life". | | What quibble of semantics. | jrockway wrote: | I get an infinite amount of spam texts and I don't have a | Facebook account. (I did have one in college when it first came | out, but I don't think I gave them my phone number, and if I | did, that phone number is no longer in use. I switch phone | numbers every time I switch cell providers.) | ordx wrote: | Facebook still may have your phone number if a business | uploaded your phone number for targeting. | jrockway wrote: | I'm sure they have plenty of information on me. I doubt | that it is the primary source of spam texts, that's all I'm | saying. | | Many of my spam texts seem to know what state I'm in | despite my area code being assigned to a different state, | so I'm guessing they get them from voter records, political | donations, that sort of thing. | andi999 wrote: | Using WhatsApp? | jrockway wrote: | Nope. It's not really a thing in the US. | whatever_dude wrote: | You should disable apps api on your profile. | rogerdickey wrote: | Why are so many HN users against Facebook, and quick to | reassure others that they only signed up out of necessity? FB & | Instagram present a perfectly acceptable entertainment vs | privacy trade off. Sure, it's also a waste of time, but so is | everything else you don't like. | wizzwizz4 wrote: | Facebook knows where you live, where you shop, who you meet, | what you say, what you buy, where you go - perhaps when you | wake and sleep -... and in exchange, you get some chat rooms, | a MySpace page, advertised at, and to be a non-consensual | subject in psychological experiments. (Libel notice: they | might not do the last one much any more.) | rogerdickey wrote: | Most of this happens if you 1) sign up for FB 2) install | their app. If you don't do both of these things they can't | track you, right? | sneak wrote: | Unfortunately this is not true. | scbrg wrote: | > FB & Instagram present a perfectly acceptable entertainment | vs privacy trade off. | | I'm glad you're here to establish this objective fact for | those of us who didn't know ;-) | mulmen wrote: | Because the network effect reduces choice and competition. I | don't get to vote with my wallet with Facebook. I can | participate in society or not have Facebook. | | My mom was recently told by a state elected representative | that she would have to contact them through Facebook to | provide feedback on legislation. This is not a "valid | tradeoff" nor does it have to do with "entertainment". | dylan604 wrote: | > I can participate in society or not have Facebook. | | You can participate in society AND not have facebook. | Judgmentality wrote: | I feel like you stopped reading his comment after that | part, because he gives an example that disproves your | claim. | dylan604 wrote: | That was one example, and personally, not a strong one. | That does not stop one from participating in society. | Society is much larger than the single example provided. | Hydraulix989 wrote: | This is a valid contrarian take. | misiti3780 wrote: | I have been getting a lot of spam texts and also an unusually | large spam calls from the social security administration. I | tell teh guy/gal on the line every time to quit calling me | because they are wasting their time and i know it's a scam, | they keep calling... | null_deref wrote: | I don't think the little guy that's calling you cares that | much, or that the organization that runs the call center is | organizaed well enough to receive a piece of information from | the bottom end employee and act on it. | banana_giraffe wrote: | Not just Zuckerberg's, but Dustin Moskovitz and Chris Hughes are | there as well. Interesting to see who has low user IDs in the | dump. | | Also mildly entertaining to see some names that are probably test | accounts now associated with Facebook people in Google as people | try to see who they are. | mikkohypponen wrote: | See https://twitter.com/mikko/status/1378701810815352833 | koolba wrote: | Maybe 1 was an admin account and 2 & 3 were for Winkelvii. | nabla9 wrote: | https://twitter.com/mikko/status/1378732263266004994 | tyingq wrote: | I feel for the person who gets that number next once it's | recycled. | xyst wrote: | I would take it and just automatically send all calls to | voicemail and archive the text messages. | | It will be a more modern '867-5309', however instead of people | searching for love it will be a consolidation of the collective | hate for a single entity/person. | mrweasel wrote: | Is the phone number really that big an issue? I mean here phone | numbers are 8 digits, randomly guess a phone number will almost | certainly result in a working number. | | The spam I see and hear about is just random dialing from | Albanian numbers, hoping that you'll call back. | tyingq wrote: | I've gotten a new phone number and given it back because of | the amount of calls it was getting. | baby wrote: | Good comment. Why do people care if their phone number gets | leaked? There use to be a yellow page book with everybody's | phone number. Also, phone numbers are not identities. I change | phone number every year on average. | Judgmentality wrote: | Many people never change phone numbers. I've had the same | cell phone number since I was a teenager, and I suspect I | will have it until I die. | | It's the most identifiable thing about me other than my | social security number. Even my driver's license number has | changed more than my cell phone, and I don't always have a | valid passport. | Scoundreller wrote: | I'll take it. "Thank you for calling the executive office | complaint line. To file a priority incident at the cost of $99, | enter your visa/MasterCard number now" | fnord77 wrote: | I look forward to your medium post about what it is like in | prison. | unstatusthequo wrote: | He is providing a service to pass complaints on to | Facebook. Consideration for value received. What's illegal | about that? | orthecreedence wrote: | It's fraud. | perl4ever wrote: | Saying "the executive office complaint line" isn't | implying it's _Facebook 's_ complaint line. There is no | legal obligation for the person on the other end of a | call to be who you expect. | | Who would even assume that such a thing would not be | outsourced _if_ it were affiliated? | | And "a priority incident" can't be a misrepresentation | inasmuch as "priority" is inherently relative. | | As a matter of "legal realism" people might be right that | it would land you in prison if you are just Joe/Jane | Schmoe. But I see absolutely no logical justification for | that when companies do things at least as shady all the | time without serious consequences. | Scoundreller wrote: | You can't stop someone that _wants_ to pay to file a | complaint. | lstamour wrote: | Pretty sure you'll get shut down by the networks due to | chargebacks... unless you have a quick "press 9 for a | refund..." | Scoundreller wrote: | Iunno, someone that thinks they're getting somewhere by | calling Zuck directly may not know what a chargeback is. | | I know Congress has tried calling upon him and just gave | up. | shoeshoeshoey wrote: | The data is missing some people like former Facebook executive | Jay Parikh. 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The | original forum it was posted in is slammed. | Recursing wrote: | Search for "fbleaks" on telegram | xwdv wrote: | Thank you, I am now downloading all the available data, can't | wait to play around with it. | | One of the annoying things is that there's a timestamp making | up the 10th column that has ':' in it, but the delimiter for | the fields is also ':', so it makes a clean import to a | database a bit of a hassle as the file may need some | processing, probably will just do a find and replace as all | the time stamps seem to be 12:00:00 AM. The column holding | the current employment is also problematic. | [deleted] | raunak wrote: | Looking for this as well. | th3h4mm3r wrote: | Me too. 35 millions of italian user is really near the 100% of | italian internet users. 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