[HN Gopher] Yahoo Answers to shut down May 4, 2021
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       Yahoo Answers to shut down May 4, 2021
        
       Author : Gaessaki
       Score  : 192 points
       Date   : 2021-04-05 16:26 UTC (6 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (uk.help.yahoo.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (uk.help.yahoo.com)
        
       | softwaredoug wrote:
       | I do think it's interesting that we call the Web the "repository
       | of human knowledge" when clearly everything is temporary, and
       | you'd do better to buy a book on most subjects.
       | 
       | (Not that I am complaining about it, I just think we should
       | disabuse ourselves of this notion.)
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | astockwell wrote:
       | "...and thousands of physics/chemistry students all cried out at
       | once, and then were silenced."
        
       | bliteben wrote:
       | Looking back Yahoo is going to seem like an elaborate scam to
       | extract money from stockholders.
        
       | OakNinja wrote:
       | Yahoo's problem is mainly that they don't seem to know how to get
       | paid and what to get paid for.
       | 
       | They run a popular service for free for years and then shut it
       | down because they don't make any money.
        
       | marcodiego wrote:
       | Though I'm not a user and never liked the service myself, I'd
       | like it to be preserved. It is part of internet history. Let's
       | not let happen to answers what happened to geocities.
        
         | luhn wrote:
         | Unfortunately Verizon has shown itself to be unwilling to work
         | with Internet Archive and others that want to preserve this
         | history. When Yahoo Groups shut down couple years ago, Verizon
         | made no effort to help the archival and actually banned
         | accounts that were attempting to scrape data.
         | 
         | https://slate.com/technology/2019/12/yahoo-groups-is-ending-...
        
         | dwighttk wrote:
         | Some things aren't worth saving.
        
       | DC1350 wrote:
       | Yahoo answers is the reason I was insecure about not having an
       | average 8 inch penis when I was 11 years old. It was probably the
       | lowest quality forum that I've ever seen and I'm glad to hear
       | it's shutting down.
        
         | gotostatement wrote:
         | I am truley sorry for your lots
        
           | DC1350 wrote:
           | Thanks
        
       | hota_mazi wrote:
       | Oh no! How are new generations going to learn how babbies are
       | formed?
        
       | WarOnPrivacy wrote:
       | Dang. I learned better posting skills at YA. Specifically, I
       | learned to create more concise answers, quickly.
       | 
       | My proving ground was the religious answers group, where I went
       | head to head with the dominant anti-faith trolls.
        
       | particulars02 wrote:
       | but....HOW IS BABBY FORMED?
        
       | amyjess wrote:
       | My main experience with Yahoo! Answers is that it's more of a
       | trolling platform than anything else. The questions are trolls,
       | and the answers are trolls.
       | 
       | Nevertheless, I'm going to miss it. The trolling was fun to read,
       | at least.
        
         | judge2020 wrote:
         | https://youtu.be/EShUeudtaFg
        
           | sjcsjc wrote:
           | https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=201009300839.
           | ..
           | 
           | Best question I'm aware of on Yahoo Answers. And the infinite
           | loop response is the best answer.
        
             | IncRnd wrote:
             | That is worrisome. If I get my wife's baby's baby pregnant
             | (please read the linked post before commenting!), in the
             | case that the little one needs a C-section, will that harm
             | her mother, grandma, or my wife?
        
               | jedberg wrote:
               | Yes.
        
           | TedDoesntTalk wrote:
           | Did this come before or after the "how babby formed" meme?
           | 
           | https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/how-is-babby-formed
        
           | ErikVandeWater wrote:
           | Thank you! This was hilarious!
           | 
           | Do you have any recommendations on how to find more content
           | in this genre (dysfunctional humor / best of dumbest internet
           | content)? It's hard to come up with search terms that would
           | lead me to find this kind of video.
        
             | eppsilon wrote:
             | There's a podcast called My Brother My Brother and Me where
             | they find ridiculous Yahoo Answers questions and respond
             | with "advice".
        
             | andybak wrote:
             | There's several hundred subreddits that would do the trick.
        
           | CynicusRex wrote:
           | Haha, the first comment I thought of was "But how will I find
           | out if I'm pregante?"
        
         | ehsankia wrote:
         | Is that the experience of someone who actively used it for a
         | period of time or of someone who just heard of it offhandedly.
         | The latter would clearly only hear of the memes and trolling,
         | since those bubble out much more than helpful answers.
        
           | mkr-hn wrote:
           | My Brother, My Brother and Me shared all the best with a
           | regular roster of volunteer Yahoo miners credited for the
           | questions.
        
         | kmeisthax wrote:
         | Except in Japan where it's basically Stack Overflow for some
         | reason
        
           | beardedscotsman wrote:
           | Yahoo Japan was a JV between Yahoo and SoftBank. It's pretty
           | much a huge if not the biggest platform in Japan because of
           | this. Yahoo Japan is not the same as yahoo globally.
        
           | qalmakka wrote:
           | Japan it's basically it's own little world. Their local
           | version of Yahoo is not only still very popular, but it looks
           | like it's stuck in the early '00s for some inexplicable
           | reason.
        
             | ladberg wrote:
             | I think most Japanese websites look like that for some
             | reason.
        
               | Hamuko wrote:
               | They're pretty decent now (apart from legacy) but it
               | feels like 2004 lasted until about 2013 when it came to
               | Japanese websites.
        
       | justplay wrote:
       | Although I don't use it, hearing that Yahoo Answers is shutting
       | down, I am upset. It feels like the internet became an utterly
       | different place.
        
       | mitjak wrote:
       | how is babby formed
        
         | xnx wrote:
         | The complete endeavor of Yahoo was all worth it for the
         | creation of this video alone:
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EShUeudtaFg
        
         | carols10cents wrote:
         | how girl get archeived?
        
         | canjobear wrote:
         | When I opened the comments the first thing I did was Ctrl-F
         | "babby"
        
         | vmception wrote:
         | we need to do way abstain mother
        
       | thirtyseven wrote:
       | Rough year for the McElroys, huh?
        
       | twobitshifter wrote:
       | The answers idea has been tried by many and it's the quality of
       | the answers that matters most, but this is presumably out of the
       | developers control. If you have yahoo answers, quora, metafilter,
       | askReddit, and stackoverflow, the primary differences in my mind
       | are the website cultures. Quora has apparently developed a very
       | pro CCP slant lately, not something the developers intended (one
       | hopes.) it also seems to be den of self promotion. Stackoverflow
       | is genuinely useful for experts, but has many memes about the
       | type of answers one can expect to a beginner question. Ask Reddit
       | is not a place that you can expect to get an answer if it's not
       | interesting enough to gain upvotes or be made fun of. Yahoo
       | answers tried to provide a simple Q&A format, but both the
       | quality of questions and answers were unsatisfying (how is baby
       | formed).
        
       | vforvendettador wrote:
       | It's been long superseded by various similar platform. I used to
       | use Yahoo Answers in their heyday but the quality of questions
       | and answers never up to scratch and it's a spiral down to
       | obscurity.
        
       | keeganjw wrote:
       | What does this mean for My Brother, My Brother, and Me...
       | Griffin's gonna be bummed.
        
         | easton wrote:
         | It had to end sometime, I suppose. Maybe they'll pull a archive
         | somehow.
        
           | MivLives wrote:
           | They have been doing more viewer questions. Or no questions
           | at all recently.
        
             | miralize wrote:
             | The "The War with Grandpa" episode will live in infamy
        
         | smoldesu wrote:
         | It's a sad year for McElroy listeners. Between this and
         | Graduation, I'm not sure there will be anything left after
         | 2021.
        
         | RootReducer wrote:
         | They've only been doing one or even no Yahoo questions per
         | episode for a while now. I almost suspect this will relieve
         | them and give then an "out" to pivot to different formats.
        
       | didip wrote:
       | Random trivia: Larry Page's brother Carl Page sold eGroups to
       | Yahoo for $432 million which then turned into Yahoo Answers.
        
         | neonate wrote:
         | You mean Yahoo Groups, yes? Also shut down recently.
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EGroups
        
           | didip wrote:
           | ooo that's right. I somehow thought Yahoo Answers evolved
           | from Yahoo Groups.
        
       | unixhero wrote:
       | They don't list the reason for *why*
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | alex_g wrote:
       | Gonna have to archive this one for Franc R's gem of a
       | contribution
       | https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080603191133A...
        
       | themadprogramer wrote:
       | Am I pregant? That will be all:
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgckQGnFEAI
        
       | tomaszs wrote:
       | It is sad to hear Yahoo didn't take responsible steps to preserve
       | the content of the service for future generations.
       | 
       | It is a historical part of the Internet that should be available
       | for research. I think there should be a law to force companies to
       | move public data to public domain and make it available to
       | download.
       | 
       | Otherwise we just loose history of our times chunk by chunk. This
       | is unprecedenced taking into an account it was never easier to
       | backup and store such pieces of public data.
        
       | jdlyga wrote:
       | Yahoo gets rid of some of their best services. Yahoo Geolocation
       | Service, besides Google which was license restricted, was the
       | most accurate service for putting in an address and getting
       | latitude/longitude coordinates. But they sadly shut it down.
       | 
       | I sure hope they don't shut down Yahoo Finance. It's the best
       | thing that Yahoo currently has.
        
         | calvinmorrison wrote:
         | How about the treasure trove that was geocities?
        
         | jethro_tell wrote:
         | my stocks widget says that it's switching off finance (probably
         | API?) next update because it's being discontinued. I have not
         | validated that. I mostly use alpha vantage for my own projects
         | now since finance (API) was down for a while.
        
         | kristianc wrote:
         | > Yahoo gets rid of some of their best services.
         | 
         | This was not one of them.
        
           | echelon wrote:
           | The most memorable thing from Yahoo Answers is the "how is
           | babby formed" meme.
           | 
           | It never attracted high quality Q&A, and was a joke from day
           | one.
        
             | TedDoesntTalk wrote:
             | https://youtu.be/Ll-lia-FEIY
             | 
             | Still makes me laugh
        
             | brudgers wrote:
             | The upside of the question is it was an example for
             | StackOverflow...a negative example of course. Spolsky talks
             | about it all the time in the early StackOverflow podcasts.
        
               | MiddleEndian wrote:
               | I think they were better than expertsexchange at least.
               | It was low quality but it was simple and free to access.
        
             | MiddleEndian wrote:
             | I mean, is it really any worse than Quora? I will miss it.
        
           | challengly wrote:
           | Yeah, though it was their funniest service.
        
         | TedDoesntTalk wrote:
         | The mismanagement of yahoo/oath/Verizon assets has been
         | stunning. What a waste. Marissa Meyer started it. Her exit and
         | the Verizon acquisition accelerated it. Now they are a husk of
         | early web properties when they could have been an Amazon with
         | the right leadership.
        
           | laurent92 wrote:
           | I don't understand what Yahoo is supposed to be. Suddenly in
           | 2015, they have the genius step of publishing an email UI on
           | paar with Gmail, as they should have done about 10 years
           | earlier. But unless you are using their email, what _is_
           | Yahoo? For me it is a weather widget and a news feed. Not
           | counting Yahoo Finance because other comments say it's
           | shutting down. So what is the core business of Yahoo? A news
           | corp that repeats Reuters, but without the TV front-end that
           | CNN has, and without the journalists that the Washington Post
           | has?
        
             | TedDoesntTalk wrote:
             | How about a new venture? Like building an alternative to
             | the Apple App Store and Google Play? Then going to Congress
             | to complain about default installation on the devices (or
             | any sort of installation at all).
             | 
             | They have the name recognition to pull off something like
             | this.
        
             | caddemon wrote:
             | I don't know what they're trying to be, but outside of
             | Yahoo Finance the only other thing I'm aware of people
             | using Yahoo for these days is fantasy sports. One of the
             | fantasy football leagues I do every year still uses Yahoo,
             | and other friends that play fantasy seem to report similar.
             | But I don't know what the numbers actually are because it's
             | true Yahoo doesn't seem to lean into that role much.
        
             | TedDoesntTalk wrote:
             | I can't answer that for today. But there was a time when
             | they had a very active shopping site -- they were an
             | earlier version of Amazon for 3rd-party merchants, Shopify
             | or Etsy where anyone could open a "store". And Yahoo
             | handled payments, as I recall, just like Amazon does now. I
             | bought many things from there.
             | 
             | Where is that today? Gone, I guess. But it could have been
             | an Amazon or Shopify.
             | 
             | They also had a lucrative ad business. Gone now, I think.
        
             | rdiddly wrote:
             | They seem to be trying to be nothing at all, and getting
             | closer with each passing year!
        
           | Fordec wrote:
           | Meyer didn't _start_ it, but she did put distinctly more
           | marketing and hype into her role than predecessors which
           | shone a brighter spotlight on the already ensuing downfall. I
           | 'd be more inclined to pinpoint the start of it to sometime
           | around Jerry Yang's departure and the revolving door of CEOs
           | between him and Mayer when their tenure was more akin to
           | flailing than building leadership.
        
           | perardi wrote:
           | Oh, I wouldn't start that downfall during Marissa Meyer's
           | reign of error.
           | 
           | Remember when Yahoo hired a CEO who lied about having a CS
           | degree?
           | 
           | https://money.cnn.com/2012/05/13/technology/yahoo-ceo-
           | out/in...
        
             | TedDoesntTalk wrote:
             | Ha, good point. Seems like ex-CEO Scott Thompson is doing
             | ok these days:
             | 
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Thompson_(businessman)
             | 
             | His Yahoo departure is attributed to thyroid cancer: "In
             | 2012, Thompson was diagnosed with thyroid cancer, which was
             | said to be a reason for leaving Yahoo!."
             | 
             | And Marissa Mayer became extremely wealthy for her
             | mishandling of Yahoo.
        
           | koboll wrote:
           | I don't really understand the argument here. How is
           | sunsetting Answers related to mismanagement?
           | 
           | Seems like Answers, as cool and interesting and funny as it
           | was, was probably not a major revenue driver or even loss
           | leader anymore for Yahoo. Seems like it'd be an obvious
           | candidate for being cut, as a deadweight project that siphons
           | engineering time from initiatives that actually make money.
           | 
           | Sure, it's sad that it's going away. But Yahoo isn't a
           | charity, it's a corporation, and "jettison projects that cost
           | money and focus instead on projects that make money" seems
           | like one of the most basic tenets of managing a business.
           | 
           | Like, I totally get the argument that when Yahoo or Google or
           | whoever shuts down one of their services it's an annoyance
           | for users. No doubt. But I don't understand how it's a sign
           | of "mismanagement".
        
             | TedDoesntTalk wrote:
             | > How is sunsetting Answers related to mismanagement?
             | 
             | My post was a general statement and not directed at any
             | singular Yahoo product.
        
       | iJohnDoe wrote:
       | Quick, we need to get Archive.org on the case. /sarcasm
       | 
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26703203
        
         | news_to_me wrote:
         | Why sarcasm? Yahoo Answers represents an important slice of
         | online culture from the early 2000s. Are our kids supposed to
         | just believe us when we tell them how babby is formed[1]?
         | 
         | [1]
         | https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080211063124A...
        
           | causality0 wrote:
           | Yahoo Answers served as a social network for kids shortly
           | after chatroom culture died. It was particularly the home of
           | underrepresented and oppressed groups, like LGBT youth and
           | minority religions. I spent time there as a teenager and saw
           | a huge number of people ask about things and talk about
           | things they couldn't in real life. Gay kids trying to figure
           | out their place. Muslim kids questioning things they'd been
           | taught. Terrified kids going through a pregnancy scare
           | looking for guidance and reassurance.
           | 
           | That it became an alt-right cesspit is a terrible shame. It
           | was a silly place but it deserves a better place in internet
           | history than that.
        
           | IncRnd wrote:
           | > Are our kids supposed to just believe us when we tell them
           | how babby is formed[1]?
           | 
           | It comes done to how whell you parend the chiyelld. Good
           | parendets explain to the chyelld how babby is achivet.
        
           | dwighttk wrote:
           | They're around... they know you know how babby is formed
        
       | ravenstine wrote:
       | Finally! Although search engines have finally deranked Yahoo
       | Answers, I still resent it for all the years when I would look up
       | something and the top results always included a Yahoo Answer
       | written by a 12 year old. It's pretty much a warehouse of
       | misinformation to such a degree that it makes Quora look like
       | Encyclopedia Britannica in terms of credibility.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | markdown wrote:
         | > it makes Quora look like Encyclopedia Britannica in terms of
         | credibility.
         | 
         | Have you looked recently? Quora is mostly online marketers.
         | Only marginally better than 12yr olds.
        
         | pmiller2 wrote:
         | At least you could actually read the answers, unlike, say,
         | expertsexchange.com
        
         | DC-3 wrote:
         | Hey! My brother used to write answers to maths questions on
         | Yahoo Answers when he was 12 and they were quite good, I think
         | :-)
        
         | umvi wrote:
         | > still resent it for all the years when I would look up
         | something and the top results always included a Yahoo Answer
         | written by a 12 year old
         | 
         | Reminds me of the famous(ish) meme that came from Yahoo
         | Answers: https://youtu.be/Ll-lia-FEIY
        
           | simias wrote:
           | I'm partial to this one myself: https://youtu.be/EShUeudtaFg
        
       | pdimitar wrote:
       | Will there be an archive somewhere?
        
       | GormanFletcher wrote:
       | For read-heavy content sites like Yahoo Answers, I wonder why
       | they get shut down instead of getting compiled into pregenerated
       | static HTML and hosted as read-only.
        
         | Someone1234 wrote:
         | You could throw a few ad scripts on them and even make a little
         | money (likely more than the tiny hosting costs for static
         | content).
         | 
         | I agree: Strange choice. But as is the world of large
         | corporations and decision-making.
        
         | slugiscool99 wrote:
         | Looks like it was could have been political reasons? See
         | https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20210405224547A...
        
         | whatyesaid wrote:
         | I think Yahoo Answers was highly indexed by Google in like
         | 2010.
         | 
         | But for years now, I've never seen a Yahoo Answers link in my
         | search results. You have things like Reddit now highly indexed
         | which has far less silly answers and questions through actually
         | having moderation.
         | 
         | I doubt its getting much traffic, and if it is, it's probably
         | providing a bad look to the brand.
        
         | ericbarrett wrote:
         | This would still be an ongoing product that would need
         | integration into the current ad networks; security reviews;
         | patches to the servers; OS upgrades; legal support (copyright,
         | abuse, and right-to-be-forgotten claims); accessibility
         | support; and probably a few other things I can't think of. It
         | could be done, maybe for a profit, but how big a profit? My
         | guess is any potential advocate inside Yahoo! has bigger fish
         | to fry.
        
         | blackearl wrote:
         | Are there any real answers of value on there? I know there's
         | plenty of hilarious questions like the classic "how is babby
         | formed?" but I wouldn't ever consider Yahoo! Answers a
         | legitimate source for anything.
        
         | 1123581321 wrote:
         | A couple Yahoo product shutdowns supposedly happened because no
         | one wanted to touch the code anymore. I've seen the same thing
         | in much smaller product companies--the Elm app, the old Rails
         | app after all the Ruby developers left, etc.
        
         | CobrastanJorji wrote:
         | My bet would be that no management at Yahoo wanted to own that.
         | It'd just be a slow down-and-to-the-right graph over time.
         | There'd be absolutely no upside to having your name attached to
         | the project, and any engineer who volunteered who be stuck
         | maintaining it forever with no hope of promotion.
         | 
         | Sure, it's probably millions of dollars per year that they're
         | throwing out by not keeping it passively online, so it'd be in
         | the company's interest, but with apologies to Mitt Romney,
         | corporations aren't people. If something isn't advantageous to
         | at least one individual decision maker, it won't happen.
        
           | Jeff_Brown wrote:
           | Then why not sell it?
        
           | bhupy wrote:
           | > corporations aren't people. If something isn't advantageous
           | to at least one individual decision maker, it won't happen.
           | 
           | By this logic, no collection of people can be considered
           | "people". Indians aren't people, men aren't people, etc etc.
           | As an Indian man, I find that idea absurd.
           | 
           | Unanimity isn't a prerequisite for personhood in the context
           | of whether or not the rights extended to individuals
           | disappear the moment those individuals act as an
           | association/group. Corporations are people because they are
           | groups of people.
        
             | unchocked wrote:
             | Corporations, like Indians and men, are groups consisting
             | of people. Corporations, unlike Indians and men, also have
             | the legal status of "personhood".
        
               | bhupy wrote:
               | > Corporations, unlike Indians and men, also have the
               | legal status of "personhood"
               | 
               | This is purely a semantic argument. At least in America,
               | Corporations aren't classified as "persons" in an
               | official sense; rather the phrase "corporate personhood"
               | refers to the ongoing legal debate over the extent to
               | which rights traditionally associated with natural
               | persons should also be afforded to corporations. In that
               | regard, _exactly_ like Indians and men, the rights
               | traditionally associated with natural persons are also
               | afforded to multiple persons acting as a group. This is
               | just as true for a collection of Indians publishing
               | speech about anti-Asian hate, just as it is true for a
               | collection of men publishing speech about whatever it is
               | they choose. Under that principle, the SCOTUS has found
               | that Corporations enjoy the same rights to express
               | themselves as an association.
        
         | mkr-hn wrote:
         | Speculation: Penny pinching executives cutting costs as much as
         | they can to juice profits before turning the ship toward
         | another sale.
        
       | wyxuan wrote:
       | In any case I think I agree as Yahoo answers just became a site
       | riddled with bots spamming link shorteners laden with ads. Twas
       | good while it lasted though
       | 
       | Source:
       | 
       | Dude just trust me
        
       | mkr-hn wrote:
       | People joke like "ha-ha, let it burn!" but it's the ordinary
       | folks and their creations that anthropologists desire most.
       | Ancient graffiti in Rome tells you more about ancient Rome than
       | privileged writings of the era.
       | 
       | Yahoo Answers matters more to culture than any New York Times
       | trend piece.
        
         | acwan93 wrote:
         | I wonder if in another 400 years some distant society will look
         | at ours as the "Dark Ages" since all information is locked
         | behind services that have since disappeared like Yahoo Answers,
         | Geocities, AIM profiles, MySpace, and (maybe) Facebook.
        
           | kristianc wrote:
           | Unlikely. Far more (printed) books are being published today
           | than at any previous time in human history - certainly more
           | so than in the Dark Ages where most had neither the equipment
           | nor the education to write.
           | 
           | And that's before you include the likes of Wikipedia, which
           | it's inconceivable won't be recorded in at least some form.
           | We will have a pretty good record of our civilization to work
           | with - down to the minutest cultural ephemera.
           | 
           | https://ourworldindata.org/books
        
           | Ekaros wrote:
           | I wonder how much of early web we have already lost. All of
           | the forums, user generated content and so on just gone...
        
             | cogman10 wrote:
             | Tons. There still exists some holdouts with long histories
             | (such as anandtech). That said, once upon a time nearly all
             | "social media" was forums for things of interest.
             | 
             | It sort of makes me sad for the internet bygone. I really
             | miss the fact that nearly every product had a half dozen
             | fan pages dedicated to it. Things like
             | https://www.massassi.net/ were amazing back in their
             | hayday. Now everything it consolidated into big social
             | media locations :(
        
             | corywatilo wrote:
             | That's one positive of projects like Posthaven
        
           | koolba wrote:
           | The real problem of the proletariat is not being able to
           | permanently delete their comments.
        
             | Mediterraneo10 wrote:
             | If social networks hadn't instituted real-name policies,
             | people wouldn't be so concerned about old comments, because
             | those comments might be linked to pseudonyms, not their
             | real names.
        
         | Jakobeha wrote:
         | Afaik that's what the internet archive is for. Hopefully they
         | archive all of the content before it goes down.
        
         | thaumasiotes wrote:
         | > Ancient graffiti in Rome tells you more about ancient Rome
         | than privileged writings of the era.
         | 
         | This just isn't true, for the simplest possible reason: there's
         | more preserved literature than there is preserved graffiti. It
         | also isn't true for the slightly less simple reason that the
         | literature covers a much wider range of topics.
         | 
         | What historians desire most is driven by what they don't have
         | now. Cuneiform tablets are so numerous that they mostly just
         | sit around untranslated. Would they be informative if we did
         | translate them? Of course, but the manpower isn't there.
         | Identical documents from 3rd-century Germany would be an epic,
         | multiple-career-making find. Those would be translated
         | immediately.
         | 
         | We value things the same way. Yahoo Answers is worthless to us
         | because we have infinite amounts of similar material, so
         | there's no cost to destroying this subset of it.
         | 
         | You could try to argue that Yahoo Answers has great future
         | value, and we should therefore preserve it, but if we followed
         | that advice, Yahoo Answers would have no future value, because
         | so much content like it would have been preserved. This
         | approach fails to be logically coherent.
        
           | simias wrote:
           | They're both valuable. In linguistics for instance graffiti
           | can tell you things about the language and its evolution that
           | the formal language won't communicate, like how certain
           | letters stop being pronounced or become pronounced
           | differently. Or how some grammatical constructions shift for
           | instance.
        
             | dehrmann wrote:
             | Romanes eunt domus.
        
               | dsr_ wrote:
               | ite domum, unless you're already in Rome, in which case
               | sunt domum.
        
               | 0xbadcafebee wrote:
               | how is babby formed?
        
             | thaumasiotes wrote:
             | Of course they're both valuable. But you cannot reasonably
             | contend that the graffiti is _more_ valuable; it is much
             | _less_ valuable.
             | 
             | > In linguistics for instance graffiti can tell you things
             | about the language and its evolution that the formal
             | language won't communicate, like how certain letters stop
             | being pronounced or become pronounced differently.
             | 
             | This certainly doesn't apply to Latin, which survives today
             | as several robust living languages. We can easily determine
             | how the sounds of Latin changed without making reference to
             | graffiti.
             | 
             | (And of course, the formal literature has quite a bit to
             | say on the sounds of the language, too.)
        
               | Mediterraneo10 wrote:
               | One reason Pompeii graffiti is valuable, is that it
               | provides some absolute dating of Vulgar Latin features,
               | while the modern Romance languages show only the final
               | outcome without those exact dates.
               | 
               | I think you underestimate just how grateful historical
               | linguists are for popular texts beyond literary ones.
               | Another example is the Novgorod birchbark letters, which
               | not only shed light on old Russian but some of their
               | features (found in no other source) required scholars to
               | completely revise their reconstruction of Slavic
               | historical phonology in general.
        
         | esturk wrote:
         | I'm not sure that statement is true. Given just one OR the
         | other, which would you pick? Graffiti, or random
         | chatter/expression by extension, is useful as an addition to
         | privileged writing which serves as a backbone to the events of
         | history. Without the latter, the former isn't nearly as
         | interesting.
         | 
         | Take Native American culture for example. If we could, we would
         | prefer actual historical events written down than just stories
         | that's pass down through word of mouth.
        
         | perardi wrote:
         | If by "ordinary folks" you mean "spam bots", then yes, our
         | anthropologist weakly godlike artificial intelligences will
         | appreciate this catalog.
        
           | mkr-hn wrote:
           | Spam bots are one half of the decades-long battle between
           | people looking for a quick buck and people trying to
           | communicate. It's a huge part of the story of the last few
           | decades of technology. It's right up there with the push and
           | pull of progress of weapons and armor technology. How could
           | that not be valuable?
        
       | Animats wrote:
       | Why is Yahoo even still around? They got rid of search. They got
       | rid of the directory. They sold Alibaba. What are they still
       | doing, if anything?
       | 
       | Verizon may be getting out of content. With antitrust regulation
       | picking up, it's quite likely that telcos will be required to get
       | out of the content business. Historically, the US made movie
       | companies stop owning movie theaters, and car companies stop
       | owning dealers. Although Yahoo is now such a loser that it's hard
       | to make an antitrust case against Verizon owning them. AT&T and
       | DirectTV, though...
        
         | lesdeuxmagots wrote:
         | Yahoo still makes billions in revenue every year. And the vast
         | majority is not from finance or sports.
         | 
         | Baffling to some HN readers perhaps, but Yahoo is still one of
         | the biggest online destinations. It has a DAU count an order of
         | magnitude larger than say Reddit, and it monetizes those users
         | far more effectively.
        
           | ravenstine wrote:
           | Have anything to back that up? I find it very hard to
           | believe. Even the boomers I know don't ever use it. Is Yahoo
           | popular in some other country?
        
             | oblio wrote:
             | https://www.alexa.com/topsites
             | 
             | Yahoo.com, rank 12, Reddit.com, rank 19.
             | 
             | I would say that Reddit, despite its popularity, is
             | notoriously mismanaged, so it's actually quite an
             | appropriate comparison. Reddit is just culturally more
             | relevant :-)
        
               | markdown wrote:
               | > I would say that Reddit, despite its popularity, is
               | notoriously mismanaged
               | 
               | That's what an MBA would say.
        
         | bellyfullofbac wrote:
         | I got my Yahoo Mail address in 1996 because teenage me thought
         | my address @yahoo.com would be so cool. Nowadays I use it just
         | for online shops, etc (I also use it for Facebook, which is a
         | bad idea, because online shops upload their customer info to
         | Facebook and, tada, guess whose profile matches for targetted
         | advertising). Today I logged in and a stupid ad popped up (I
         | wish I can remember what it was for). When I do a password
         | reset on one of these shops, Yahoo also recognizes those kinds
         | of emails and recommends LastPass or whatever password service
         | they bought.
         | 
         | Incidentally, they've also lost all my mail from before year
         | 2001, when I actually use them for personal communications,
         | meaning all those emails are now lost (well maybe I have a
         | backup somewhere...). What a fucking useless company.
        
           | dwighttk wrote:
           | I helped a person get back into their yahoo mail account and
           | the web interface showed auto playing video ads with sound. I
           | recommended they get a different account or at least use IMAP
           | to check mail, but they were not interested.
        
           | abhgh wrote:
           | I was scrolling down the comments to see if someone has this
           | problem...they lost my mail too. No way to recover it then,
           | huh? This is sad.
        
             | sennacy wrote:
             | I had this unfortunate realization the other day as well.
             | 
             | It seems like if you haven't used it in 12 months they just
             | delete all your old emails. No warning whatsoever.
        
         | MangoCoffee wrote:
         | Yahoo as a brand is probably still worth something. Its a grand
         | father from dotcom bubble that people still recognized. Yahoo
         | still provided a lot of services that people use like Yahoo
         | email for example.
        
           | ravenstine wrote:
           | That's a depreciating item, perhaps rapidly so, now that more
           | and more users aren't people who were alive during the dotcom
           | boom.
        
         | twobitshifter wrote:
         | There are actually many quality yahoo products, not yahoo
         | sports and yahoo finance are very widely used. Yahoo finance is
         | a mini Bloomberg terminal at this point.
        
         | twiddling wrote:
         | Their fantasy sports platform?
        
           | jimbob45 wrote:
           | Shutdown Corner has been my favorite source of reasoned NFL
           | power rankings for the last seven years if that counts for
           | anything.
        
         | boplicity wrote:
         | Verizon, as part of their ownership of Yahoo and AOL, controls
         | a significant proportion of email inboxes. There is quite a lot
         | of strategic value in that. They've been particularly bad, from
         | my perspective, in terms of allowing our emails to get through,
         | but I shudder at the thought of email being under 90% control
         | by Google.
        
         | perardi wrote:
         | This would be my gut reaction, but for whatever it's worth, and
         | however they create this metric: Alexa says they're #11 in
         | "global internet engagement".
         | 
         | https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/yahoo.com
         | 
         |  _(Again, whatever that means.)_
         | 
         | But I think they have a few valuable properties. Sports.
         | Finance. And for whatever reason, the old folks in my family
         | love their Yahoo Weather app.
        
       | terse_malvolio wrote:
       | When multiple parrot the same 'how is babby formed' meme it makes
       | me think the forum has been invaded by bird people simply echoing
       | the songs they know. Maybe birds and humans aren't so different
       | after all. Squawk?
       | 
       | Curious what answers HN found interesting? Algolia Search:
       | https://hn.algolia.com/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fanswers.yahoo.com%2F
        
       | com2kid wrote:
       | Completely off topic: That is the longest list of "framework
       | partners" that I have ever denied access to.
       | 
       | There are 400 (!!!) "partners" listed just for personalized ads!
        
       | aviraldg wrote:
       | Does this include Yahoo Answers Japan (which I believe is still
       | quite active)?
        
       | SteveGerencser wrote:
       | Just think of all those low quality links placed there for SEO
       | reasons that are about to vanish.
        
       | js4ever wrote:
       | May the 4th be with them forever
        
       | tyingq wrote:
       | I do miss Yahoo! Pipes. I don't believe I'll miss Yahoo! Answers
       | though. The questions they are curating on the front page are
       | still terrible ones.
        
       | llacb47 wrote:
       | Sad. Yahoo no longer wants to be responsible for hosting any UGC,
       | they would rather sell ads.
        
         | water8 wrote:
         | UGC is what keeps yahoo alive. It's definitely not the
         | journalism.
        
       | endisneigh wrote:
       | My favorite question on YA
       | 
       | https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090226170437A...
        
         | MiddleEndian wrote:
         | I liked
         | https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091211104107A...
        
           | robbyking wrote:
           | "They need to do way instain mother who kill their babbys."
           | 
           | https://arstechnica.com/information-
           | technology/2017/03/how-i...
        
         | brassattax wrote:
         | Off-topic but I love that the timestamp on that says "1 decade
         | ago"
        
           | pmiller2 wrote:
           | Hah, yes. It sort of assumes the page will be around for more
           | than 1 decade, doesn't it?
        
             | zild3d wrote:
             | hm how so? I just assumed they're using something like
             | moment for relative time
             | https://momentjs.com/docs/#/displaying/fromnow/
        
           | myself248 wrote:
           | Ugh, I haaaaaaaaaate this habit of masking real timestamps
           | and making them progressively worse.
           | 
           | It _completely_ changes the meaning, if someone asked a
           | question about airplanes on September 10th, 2001 or one day
           | later. Just saying "two decades ago" with no way to reveal
           | the original timestamp removes that context.
           | 
           | It's just one of a whole lot of ways the modern web goes out
           | of its way to get in my way.
        
             | mkr-hn wrote:
             | They at least put the real time and date the question was
             | posted in the headers.
             | 
             | <meta property="og:question:published_time"
             | content="2009-02-26T17:04:37Z">
        
               | hunter2_ wrote:
               | Many sites also put it in the title text (tooltip, i.e.,
               | hover / long press). When that fails, I often find it by
               | inspecting the element and looking at every attribute of
               | the elements within 1 level on the tree. Horrible
               | experience.
        
         | com2kid wrote:
         | Public libraries aren't a thing in many countries. The reason
         | North America has a tradition of public libraries is that one
         | of the richest men of the 20th century decided to leave behind
         | a legacy of literacy [1]. Prior to that, quite a few protestant
         | groups were big on literacy and invented the idea of public
         | libraries for all.
         | 
         | I have friends from other countries who have told me that
         | libraries in their home countries are indeed commercial, you
         | pay a small fee to rent a book for a fixed period of time.
         | Stories from childhood, so I am not sure if such libraries are
         | still common place in those countries, but the question is most
         | certainly not stupid.
         | 
         | [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_libraries_in_North_Amer
         | ...
        
           | space_fountain wrote:
           | For one example of this currently, here's what comes up when
           | I search for Amsterdam Public library:
           | https://www.oba.nl/service/word-lid.html (it also matches my
           | memory of walking around the big public library in
           | Amsterdam).
           | 
           | That's $44 a year to checkout up to 50 items (only 6 ebooks)
           | and $1 for every reservation you want to make. For $56 bucks
           | you get unlimited checkout. Its not exactly a huge cost, but
           | still not what I expected based on my experience in the US
           | and my perception of Europe
        
       | thinkafterbef wrote:
       | 4.1M clicks about to go down. https://i.imgur.com/0pxHInh.png
        
         | tyingq wrote:
         | And a bunch of scrapers trying to make a copies of it with lots
         | of terrible domain name ideas.
        
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